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| Question on faders [message #62210] |
Mon, 02 January 2006 09:20  |
Ed
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nswer that!!!!
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>Unfortunately nothing of the musical variety. I've promised myself I won't
buy another studio toy until I actually sit down and write a song. Up until
now its all been electronic instrumental tunes, but its time to get back to
the singer song-writer thing. Anyhoo, we got an Xbox. Not the 360, but the
"old" one. I've been out of the vid game arena for awhile, so its been fun.
If you're into this sort of thing I highly recommend Splinter Cell, amazing
graphics. And, we just got a new internet connection. Finally AOL will be
sent back to the dark place from which it came.
Peace
MR
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote in message
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> Well, I'm back from the family gatherings and wondering if anyone got any
> new toys for Christmas. I was a good boy last year. I got a Focusrite
> Saffire interface for my Powerbook and an Audix mic pack with three i5's
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62219 is a reply to message #62211] |
Mon, 02 January 2006 10:38  |
Ed
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------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C60F9D.41F400F0--You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet either,
except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of Paris.
But its on my list.
Edna
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
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> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was unsure
> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days ago...
> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster some
older
> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually adjust
> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up or
down.
> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused channel
> >move its fader to 10 and then normali
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62228 is a reply to message #62223] |
Mon, 02 January 2006 11:56 |
Edna Sloan
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r />
>>with an Ibanez Gem with a rock mirror finish. Gotta say, of all the axes
>>
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>>I have this one plays like a dream come true for me because of the super
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>>flat neck. it's also very wide, wider than my Tanglewood accoustic, so I
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>>can fingerpick on my electric with some semblence of accurace for a
>>change...lol
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>You're a lucky man, Jef. Good for you.
jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>roflmao.....
>.,..but don't stop looking, she's out there!.,.lol
>
>y'know those Top 10 things you'll never hear a woman say lists? my wife
>routinely says about 8 of them.
>
>TCB wrote:
>
>>Very nice. I need to a) get a wife and b) start a band called "Wicked Hot
>>Drug Fueled Threesome With Sophia Vergara and Maria Sharapova." And forward
>>this posting to my wife, of course.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Well this year my wife Nina really outdid herself. Based on the premise
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>that my band is Chrome and the handle is pretty cool, she surprised me
>>>with an Ibanez Gem with a rock mirror finish. Gotta say, of all the axes
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I have this one plays like a dream come true for me because of the super
>>>
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>>
>>>flat neck. it's also very wide, wider than my Tanglewood accoustic, so
I
>>>
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>>
>>>can fingerpick on my electric with some semblence of accurace for a
>>>change...lol
>>>
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>>Unfortunately, no, re an audio file being there, and I checked before
leaving the project but after I clicked off the assertion error. I
foolishly didn't check before clicking on the assertion error, so not sure
if it existed just before acknowledging that. My sense is that in this case
it's gone, period, but figured maybe there's some odd secret place. But I
did a search on all files in the last 24 hours and looked through hidden
files to no avail.
Thanks for the responses, though.
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:43b94201$1@linux...
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> check the folder "in windows" that you set the record path to.
> I'll bet it's there. If it is, open a new project and add the audio file.
> Rod
> "zornwil" <wilson.zorn@takeout_asterick_theobvious.com> wrote:
> >I'm fairly sure it's too late, but, anyway, we were recording a gaming
> >session (long story) using PARIS and the game ran around 5 hours. We
went
> >to dinner, I forgot to stop the recording, and only much later looked at
> the
> >screen to see an assertion error at 6 hrs, 45 minutes into it. I clicked
> >the acknowledging button and then was shocked to see no file at all had
> been
> >written, and no apparent hidden file that I could tell was anywhere.
Anyone
> >know any way to recover this, if at all possible?
> >
> >
>That's interesting. I think, while we hear about it every so often, much of
the nation is really not aware of the degree to which this is an ongoing and
very serious problem, unfortunately.
DJ (and all), good luck with things.
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
news:43b94c5c@linux...
> as wrong as this sounds, all the horse farmers I know (alot) have used
> the equine version of the vaccine on themselves, often with their vet's
> assistance, with no side effects. gotta get the dose right though. they
> all firmly believe that if it won't kill a horse it will be okay for
> humans, moreso that if it's tested in mice etc.
>
> Can$0.02
>
> DJ wrote:
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> > It's very prevalent in this area. We've had our horses vaccinated, but
> > there is no vaccination for humans. People have died around here from
> > this. I know a couple of folks who caught it a couple of years ago and
> > are still sick. Having lived a good part of my life in the tropics and
> > having survived some pretty nasty bugs, I've got a pretty strong
> > constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got really sick for a few
> > days. Never felt anything like it before, but then it cleared up. No
> > self respecting bug hangs around me for long, but I worry a lot about
> > my wife.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net <mailto:arpegio@comcast.net>>
> > wrote in message news:Report message to a moderator
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62235 is a reply to message #62223] |
Mon, 02 January 2006 13:25 |
Don Nafe
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>> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
and
>> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
>> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>files/channels
>> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the
>normalize
>> funtion... ~ Ed
>>
>>
>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>> >normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>> >
>> >I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>either,
>> >except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of Paris.
>> >But its on my list.
>> >Edna
>> >
>> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
>unsure
>> >> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>ago...
>> >> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster some
>> >older
>> >> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>adjust
>> >> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up
or
>> >down.
>> >> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>channel
>> >> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>brings
>> >> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>> >normalize
>> >> >to 10.)
>> >> >Edna
>> >> >
>> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users.
>> I
>> >> >mainly
>> >> >> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>> >> >Anyway,
>> >> >> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
the
>> >> >levels
>> >> >> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>> all
>> >> the
>> >> >> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>> >> >individually.
>> >> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>meaning
>> >> >there
>> >> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>Another
>> >> >words,
>> >> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
them
>> >all
>> >> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same
>> >time
>> >> >> without doing them individually?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>> by
>> >> >this.
>> >> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this reason.
>> >> >There
>> >> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>> it
>> >> out.
>> >> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>> >learning
>> >> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>recording,
>> >> >mixing....
>> >> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>Hi Don, thanks for the offer to help. I must admit the manual is terrible
explaining this feature and had me confused. But I was not at the Paris system
when I was reading it... anyway, perhaps I'll tackle that sometime in the
future.. for now I'll be content with plain mixes. Too bad someone didn't
put together a little help file on this subject. I was mainly trying to adjust
my faders and I was adjusting them individually. I knew there was a way to
adjust them all at once, and I asked. Edna helped me out... thanks again.
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Editing automation is basically how I automate...very simple indeed...I'm
>not at my machine right now so I can't give you a step by step but if you'd
&g
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62236 is a reply to message #62228] |
Mon, 02 January 2006 14:58 |
Ed
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t;like email me and when I get a chance (next day or so) I'll send you the
how
>to that I use or we can chat on the phone or via skype...much quicker
>
>don
>
>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
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>> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>> everytime
>> I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
>> out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using my
>> Paris
>> since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got into
>> all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
>> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you use
>> Paris
>> for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out much
>> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
and
>> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
>> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>> files/channels
>> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the
>> normalize
>> funtion... ~ Ed
>>
>>
>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>>
>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet either,
>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of Paris.
>>>But its on my list.
>>>Edna
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
>>>> unsure
>>>> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>>>> ago...
>>>> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster some
>>>older
>>>> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>>>> adjust
>>>> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up
or
>>>down.
>>>> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>>>> >channel
>>>> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>>>> >brings
>>>> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>>normalize
>>>> >to 10.)
>>>> >Edna
>>>> >
>>>> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users.
>> I
>>>> >mainly
>>>> >> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>>> >Anyway,
>>>> >> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
the
>>>> >levels
>>>> >> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>> all
>>>> the
>>>> >> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>>> >individually.
>>>> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>>>> >> meaning
>>>> >there
>>>> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>>>> >> Another
>>>> >words,
>>>> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring them
>>>all
>>>> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same
>>>time
>>>> >> without doing them individually?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>> by
>>>> >this.
>>>> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this reason.
>>>> >There
>>>> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>> it
>>>> out.
>>>> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>>learning
>>>> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>>>> >> recording,
>>>> >mixing....
>>>> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>ROTFL!! Hehe, yes, don't we all... ;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Very nice. I need to a) get a wife and b) start a band called "Wicked Hot
>Drug Fueled Threesome With Sophia Vergara and Maria Sharapova." And forward
>this posting to my wife, of course.
>
>TCB
>
>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>>
>>Well this year my wife Nina really outdid herself. Based on the premise
>
>>that my band is Chrome and the handle is pretty cool, she surprised me
>>with an Ibanez Gem with a rock mirror finish. Gotta say, of all the axes
>
>>I have this one plays like a dream come true for me because of the super
>
>>flat neck. it's also very wide, wider than my Tanglewood accoustic, so
I
>
>>can fingerpick on my electric with some semblence of accurace for a
>>change...lol
>>
>Ummm... I am afraid your advice didn't work Edna. I failed to mention that
I am using Paris 3.0. I only see the "normalize mix" option in the Functions
section on the Mixer. When I select it, it wants me to adjust the total
mix by maximun Db. I'll have to play with it I suppose. But I could have
sworn there was a way to control all faders at the same time....
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>Well I just got into Paris a couple months ago. Its my first DAW. I am
>amazed at what all it can do. I did try out a Roland unit one time but
was
>disappointed with the sound - dead, cold, etc. I am using Paris to track
>vocals and synth mainly for church related things, BG tracks, CDs, etc.
>Also for writing my own stuff - I play kybds/sing. Used to play in bands.
>I got Paris for the sound. I prefer analog, and Paris was touted as the
>nearest to that. It certainly wipes the floor with the Roland, IMHO. And
I
>love the editing features. At the moment I am experimenting with mixdowns,
>trying to get the exported stereo files to sound as good as the original
mix
>and as loud as comm cds - when I bring the stereo wav back to the project
>and a/b with the original, it doesn't sound quite as open and clear.
>Edna
> "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>>
>> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>everytime
>> I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
>> out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using my
>Paris
>> since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got into
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62237 is a reply to message #62235] |
Mon, 02 January 2006 15:05 |
Ed
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>> all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
>> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you use
>Paris
>> for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out much
>> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
and
>> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
>> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>files/channels
>> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the
>normalize
>> funtion... ~ Ed
>>
>>
>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>> >normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>> >
>> >I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>either,
>> >except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of Paris.
>> >But its on my list.
>> >Edna
>> >
>> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
>unsure
>> >> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>ago...
>> >> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster some
>> >older
>> >> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>adjust
>> >> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up
or
>> >down.
>> >> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>channel
>> >> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>brings
>> >> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>> >normalize
>> >> >to 10.)
>> >> >Edna
>> >> >
>> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users.
>> I
>> >> >mainly
>> >> >> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>> >> >Anyway,
>> >> >> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
the
>> >> >levels
>> >> >> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>> all
>> >> the
>> >> >> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>> >> >individually.
>> >> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>meaning
>> >> >there
>> >> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>Another
>> >> >words,
>> >> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
them
>> >all
>> >> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same
>> >time
>> >> >> without doing them individually?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>> by
>> >> >this.
>> >> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this reason.
>> >> >There
>> >> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>> it
>> >> out.
>> >> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>> >learning
>> >> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>recording,
>> >> >mixing....
>> >> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>Oh yes, the wonderful Paris Manual...live and die by it
;-)
Don
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9a3c1$1@linux...
>
> Hi Don, thanks for the offer to help. I must admit the manual is terrible
> explaining this feature and had me confused. But I was not at the Paris
> system
> when I was reading it... anyway, perhaps I'll tackle that sometime in the
> future.. for now I'll be content with plain mixes. Too bad someone didn't
> put together a little help file on this subject. I was mainly trying to
> adjust
> my faders and I was adjusting them individually. I knew there was a way to
> adjust them all at once, and I asked. Edna helped me out... thanks again.
>
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>Editing automation is basically how I automate...very simple indeed...I'm
>
>>not at my machine right now so I can't give you a step by step but if
>>you'd
>
>>like email me and when I get a chance (next day or so) I'll send you the
> how
>>to that I use or we can chat on the phone or via skype...much quicker
>>
>>don
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>>>
>>> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away fr
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Mon, 02 January 2006 15:24 |
Ed
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>>>
>>>
>>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>>>
>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>>>>either,
>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
>>>>Paris.
>>>>But its on my list.
>>>>Edna
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
>
>>>>> unsure
>>>>> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>>>>> ago...
>>>>> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster some
>>>>older
>>>>> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>
>>>>> adjust
>>>>> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up
> or
>>>>down.
>>>>> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>>>>> >channel
>>>>> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>>>>> >brings
>>>>> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>>>normalize
>>>>> >to 10.)
>>>>> >Edna
>>>>> >
>>>>> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users.
>>> I
>>>>> >mainly
>>>>> >> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>>>> >Anyway,
>>>>> >> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
> the
>>>>> >levels
>>>>> >> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>>> all
>>>>> the
>>>>> >> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>>>> >individually.
>>>>> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>>>>> >> meaning
>>>>> >there
>>>>> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>>>>> >> Another
>>>>> >words,
>>>>> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
>>>>> >> them
>>>>all
>>>>> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same
>>>>time
>>>>> >> without doing them individually?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>>> by
>>>>> >this.
>>>>> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
>>>>> >> reason.
>>>>> >There
>>>>> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>>> it
>>>>> out.
>>>>> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>>>learning
>>>>> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>>>>> >> recording,
>>>>> >mixing....
>>>>> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Considering the grand successes achieved with horse medication by people like
Jason Giambi I wouldn't be worried at all. Save that the equine vaccine might
increase your slugging percentage.
TCB
jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>I was offered one but I'm a bit skiddish, though with the way the WNV is
>making it's appearance around here i'll probably go for it. we live on a
>lake with some areas of protected shoreline that breed skeeters like mad.
>
>DJ wrote:
>
>>Hmmmm..........I'll have to ask our vet about this.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>news:43b94c5c@linux...
>>
>>
>>>as wrong as this sounds, all the horse farmers I know (alot) have used
>>>the equine version of the vaccine on themselves, often with their vet's
>>>assistance, with no side effects. gotta get the dose right though. they
>>>all firmly believe that if it won't kill a horse it will be okay for
>>>humans, moreso that if it's tested in mice etc.
>>>
>>>Can$0.02
>>>
>>>DJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>It's very prevalent in this area. We've had our horses vaccinated, but
>>>>there is no vaccination for humans. People have died around here from
>>>>this. I know a couple of folks who caught it a couple of years ago and
>>>>are still sick. Having lived a good part of my life in the tropics and
>>>>having survived some pretty nasty bugs, I've got a pretty strong
>>>>constitution/immune system. Summer of 2003 I got really sick for a few
>>>>days. Never felt anything like it before, but
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Don Nafe
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then it cleared up. No
>>>>self respecting bug hangs around me for long, but I worry a lot about
>>>>my wife.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net <mailto:arpegio@comcast.net>>
>>>> wrote in message news:43b6f6fb@linux...
>>>> Deej,
>>>> I hope you're wrong.
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net
>>>> <mailto:animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net>> wrote in message
>>>> news:43b6f3e8$1@linux...
>>>> I've been puttering around inthe yard today doing this and
>>>> that. There are
>>>> dead birds all over the place. It's not from cold. These birds
>>>>
>>>>
>>are
>>
>>
>>>> year -round species and it hasn't been cold enough to hurt
>>>> these little
>>>> critters. This looks like a classic West Nile die
>>>> off.......either that or
>>>> our little cat has been working triple overtime (she's a major
>>>> predator, but
>>>> this is too much, even for her). Strange that it should happen
>>>> at this time
>>>> of year though. It's too cold for mosquitoes. I wonder if the
>>>> infection can
>>>> lie dormant and then pop up later. We've called the health
>>>> department.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Hi everybody!
I hope you all had a less crazy 2005 than I did! On the bright side though,
my brother's kids now live right around the block from my kids, my mom gave
me my (late) Dad's GMC Safari, I finally paid off the Honda Odyssey and all
the charge cards, refi'ed my house (15 year, 5.5% fixed), started a Roth
IRA, and I tripled my 401(k) contribution. I put my studio back together
after taking it apart to record others and to participate in Different Skies
( http://www.differentskies.com ) and I was able to finally add the KSP8,
the Eventide 4000 (wish I could afford an 8000A...) and the Echoplex Digital
looper that I've been lusting for. I even started playing EWI... Phew!
So, guess what? After all that, I should actually have time to work on
Paris again this year! Woohoo...! OK, question time - "Is WDM dead?" Is
ASIO the only way to go now? Is Audition the only program that requires WDM
drivers any more? What about plugin formats? Is VST the way to go instead
of DirectX or is that still up in the air?
Happy New Year!
Doug
http://www.parisfaqs.com
http://www.dougwellington.comThe automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I could type in values.
For instance on bringing an entire track with automation up by .5 db.
Also, the shift/ fader for .1 db tweaks trick would be nice in the automation
editor,
Check it out though
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause everytime
>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
>out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using my
Paris
>since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got into
>all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
>Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you use
Paris
>for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out much
>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby and
>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single files/channels
>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the
normalize
>funtion... ~ Ed
>
>
>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>
>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet either,
>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of Paris.
>>But its on my list.
>>Edna
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was unsure
>>> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days ago...
>>> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster some
>>older
>>> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually adjust
>>> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>
>>>
>>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up or
>>down.
>>> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused channel
>>> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This brings
>>> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>normalize
>>> >to 10.)
>>> >Edna
>>> >
>>> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users.
> I
>>> >mainly
>>> >> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>> >Anyway,
>>> >> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked the
>>> >levels
>>> >> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>all
>>> the
>>> >> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>> >individually.
>>> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active meaning
>>> >there
>>> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at
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Mon, 02 January 2006 16:22 |
cujo
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>>>
>>>>>levels
>>>>>
>>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>>
>>all
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>>>>
>>>>>individually.
>>>>>
>>>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active meaning
>>>>>
>>>>>there
>>>>>
>>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? Another
>>>>>
>>>>>words,
>>>>>
>>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring them
>>>
>>>all
>>>
>>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same
>>>
>>>time
>>>
>>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>>
>>by
>>
>>>>>this.
>>>>>
>>>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this reason.
>>>>>
>>>>>There
>>>>>
>>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>>
>>it
>>
>>>>out.
>>>>
>>>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>>
>>>learning
>>>
>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic recording,
>>>>>
>>>>>mixing....
>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>I believe 10 leaves it where it is and any minus # i.e. -3 drops all the
faders by 3db...I've never tried going above 10 so I don't know what happens
or if you can
Don
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9a83a$1@linux...
>
> Ummm... I am afraid your advice didn't work Edna. I failed to mention
> that
> I am using Paris 3.0. I only see the "normalize mix" option in the
> Functions
> section on the Mixer. When I select it, it wants me to adjust the total
> mix by maximun Db. I'll have to play with it I suppose. But I could have
> sworn there was a way to control all faders at the same time....
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>Well I just got into Paris a couple months ago. Its my first DAW. I am
>>amazed at what all it can do. I did try out a Roland unit one time but
> was
>>disappointed with the sound - dead, cold, etc. I am using Paris to track
>>vocals and synth mainly for church related things, BG tracks, CDs, etc.
>>Also for writing my own stuff - I play kybds/sing. Used to play in bands.
>>I got Paris for the sound. I prefer analog, and Paris was touted as the
>>nearest to that. It certainly wipes the floor with the Roland, IMHO. And
> I
>>love the editing features. At the moment I am experimenting with
>>mixdowns,
>>trying to get the exported stereo files to sound as good as the original
> mix
>>and as loud as comm cds - when I bring the stereo wav back to the project
>>and a/b with the original, it doesn't sound quite as open and clear.
>>Edna
>> "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>>>
>>> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>>everytime
>>> I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
>>> out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using my
>>Paris
>>> since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
>>> into
>>> all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
>>> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you use
>>Paris
>>> for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
>>> much
>>> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
> and
>>> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
>>> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since
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Mon, 02 January 2006 15:33 |
EK Sound
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it wasn't easy to edit single
>>files/channels
>>> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the
>>normalize
>>> funtion... ~ Ed
>>>
>>>
>>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>> >normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>> >
>>> >I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>>either,
>>> >except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
>>> >Paris.
>>> >But its on my list.
>>> >Edna
>>> >
>>> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
>>unsure
>>> >> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>>ago...
>>> >> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster
>>> >> some
>>> >older
>>> >> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>>adjust
>>> >> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up
> or
>>> >down.
>>> >> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>>channel
>>> >> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>>brings
>>> >> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>> >normalize
>>> >> >to 10.)
>>> >> >Edna
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power
>>> >> >> users.
>>> I
>>> >> >mainly
>>> >> >> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>> >> >Anyway,
>>> >> >> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
> the
>>> >> >levels
>>> >> >> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>>> all
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>> >> >individually.
>>> >> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>>meaning
>>> >> >there
>>> >> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>>Another
>>> >> >words,
>>> >> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
> them
>>> >all
>>> >> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
>>> >> >> same
>>> >time
>>> >> >> without doing them individually?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>>> by
>>> >> >this.
>>> >> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
>>> >> >> reason.
>>> >> >There
>>> >> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>>> it
>>> >> out.
>>> >> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>> >learning
>>> >> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>>recording,
>>> >> >mixing....
>>> >> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>Hi Everybody...My first post to the group... Happy new year... Hey does
anyone have a suggestion for a intermittent clipping sound which happens on
random empty channels to the right of an operating channel? I know this
sounds weird but the channel can be empty with the fader turned down and I
still get a click every few seconds... It still happens with nothing plugged
into the inputs of Paris. I can see the click on the level indicator
onscreen. It can happen on any channel but it is always to the right of an
operating channel, and usually an unused one. I hear it on playback but more
importantly on my mixdowns as well. I have reloaded the software but as yet
have not managed to track the problem down...
Thanks,
Jim.One of the main double edged swords or using *nix systems is that at their
core they are multi-user systems. This creates some problems, the most seasoned
unix ninjas occasionally wind up with user based head scrathers. The upside
is that one develops a "feel" for permissions problems. This happens to me
once a month at least where I'll be working on something and say to myself,
"Wait, this just has to be permissions." Operating systems that try to "hide"
their multi-user roots (XP and OS X for example) have their own problems.
Which is why even my XP music box at home is set up to log into a domain
(a Debian samba server masquerading as a domain controller) and has three
accounts on it. I keep it that way just to remind me I have to worry about
it.
BTW - mapping the admin share would have fixed this as well ;-)
TCB
"DJ" <
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Mon, 02 January 2006 15:41 |
Don Nafe
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target="_blank">animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>Found the problem. Didn't have the "allow users to change my files" settings
>clicked on the SX computer so though I could transfer from the SX DAw to
the
>Paris DAW (backasswards from what I need to be doing), I couldn't transfer
>from the Paris DAw to the Cubase DAW. Pilot error .......as usual.
>
>Seems like I need to build a DAW a week just to keep my syanpses firing
>properly. When I go for a couple of years, I forget one of the
>327443333333337892 simple little things that are necessary to make this
>happen.
>
>I did talk to Chris Ludwig earlier today. It ws gratifying to know that
>99.9% of the wierdness I've experienced while building this DAW has also
>been encountered by others.
>
>OK.......now where was I????
>
>;o)
>
>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>news:43b97979$1@linux...
>> That was the issue here... sometimes it would work, other times... not
>> so much.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>> > Nope......didn't work after all.........Grrrrrrrr ...........;o(
>> >
>> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> > news:43b972eb$1@linux...
>> >
>> >>I fixed this by going into my ME networking and setting up a the drives
>to
>> >>access using a password. I have no idea why it should need this now,
but
>> >>it's just a small thing and it's working now so I'm not gonna worry
>about
>> >>it. pita though.
>> >>
>> >>Deej
>> >>
>> >>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:43b95eb1@linux...
>> >>
>> >>>Our networking guys for the office shudder everytime they hear "ME"...
>> >>> we actually had to remove ME from all our office machines because
>> >>>they were so unstable with the new network we installed recently.
>> >>>
>> >>>David.
>> >>>
>> >>>DJ wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>What's strange about this is that it was workig perfectly with my
>> >
>> > other
>> >
>> >>DAW.
>> >>
>> >>>>I hven't made any changes at all to any settings on the Paris DAW
>> >>
>> >>running
>> >>
>> >>>>ME.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:43b952b4$1@linux...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>ME does NOT play nice with NT/2000/XP for networking. You may want
>to
>> >>>>>look at going back to 98SE instead as this is way more network
>> >
>> > friendly.
>> >
>> >>>>>David.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>DJ wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>I just set up my network connections between both my DAWs. They
are
>> >>>>
>> >>>>seeing
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>each other's HD's and I have unrestricted sharing set. However,
I
>> >
>> > can't
>> >
>> >>>>>>transfer files from my Paris DAW anymore. For some reason, even
>> >
>> > though
>> >
>> >>>>the
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>folders are set up for sharing, the sub directories and the folders
>> >>>>
>> >>>>within
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>these subdirectories have somehow been set to where I have to go
>into
>> >>>>
>> >>>>every
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>subdirectory level and set each folder to share. This machine is
>> >>
>> >>running
>> >>
>> >>>>>>Windows ME. I have literally hundreds of subdirectories and sub-sub
>> >>>>>>directories within my main directories. How could this happen? Prior
>> >
>> > to
>> >
>> >>>>>>hooking up this new DAW, I just set my main directories to share
on
>> >>
>> >>both
>> >>
>> >>>>>>machines and I could shuttle stuff back and forth all day long.
The
>> >>>>
>> >>>>current
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>situation sucks most seriously..........(sigh)..........what else
>can
>> >>>>>>happen????.......wait.........don't answer that!!!!
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>
>Welcome Jim! :o)
I hate to be the bearer of bad news upon your first visit, but what you're
describing may well be an EDS card on it's way out. Do you have more than
one card? If you do does it happen on only one?
Other possibilities for wierd clicking sounds are power supplies which are
not up to the task, though your description involving it always being the
channel next to a used channel sounds a bit more to me like it's the card
for some reason...
Hopefully someone else has a more positive suggestion...
Cheers,
Kim.
"jim" <jim@redgateguitars.com> wrote:
>Hi Everybody...My first post to the group... Happy new year... Hey does
>anyone have a suggestion for a intermittent clipping sound which happens
on
>random empty channels to the right of an operating channel? I know this
>sounds weird but the channel can be empty with the fader turned down and
I
>still get a click every few seconds... It still happens with nothing plugged
>into the inputs of Paris. I can see the click on the level indicator
>onscreen. It can happen on any channel but it is always to the right of
an
>operating channel, and usually an unused one. I hear it on playback but
more
>importantly on my mixdowns as well. I have reloaded the software but as
yet
>have not managed to track the problem down...
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jim.
>
>Hi Jim, welcome to the group.
This is out of left field, but very pertinent to Paris...How's your Power
Supply, sounds like it could be on the way out or under powered for Paris.
Have
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Mon, 02 January 2006 18:41 |
Edna Sloan
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>
> Mike
>
> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >Often if you open the side panel on your case it stops the correct air
flow,
> >and you can have more heating problems. For testing, you could open your
> >case and try using a house fan and have it blow directly in to the case
> on
> >low or medium.
> >
> >A couple of years ago in the summer when it was vary hot, a friend had
over
> >heating problems with his Athlon. This was partly due to him not having
> >AC. He opened up the case and used a 13" house fan, problem solved. You
> >could have roasted a 25 pound turkey in two hours in that bed room
though:
> > )
> >
> >James
> >
> >"Mike Audet" <mike@.....com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Hi Jim,
> >>
> >>This sounds to me like a cooling problem.
> >>
> >>What has worked for me is leaving an empty PCI slot between my EDS cards
> >>and cutting a round hole in the side of my case and mounting a colling
> fan
> >>that blows heat away from the eds cards.
> >>
> >>No more clicks.
> >>
> >>I would try running with the side of your case removed and see if the
clicks
> >>still happen. I bet they won't.
> >>
> >>All the best,
> >>
> >>Mike
> >>
> >>"jim" <jim@redgateguitars.com> wrote:
> >>>Hi Everybody...My first post to the group... Happy new year... Hey does
> >>
> >>>anyone have a suggestion for a intermittent clipping sound which
happens
> >>on
> >>>random empty channels to the right of an operating channel? I know this
> >>
> >>>sounds weird but the channel can be empty with the fader turned down
and
> >>I
> >>>still get a click every few seconds... It still happens with nothing
plugged
> >>
> >>>into the inputs of Paris. I can see the click on the level indicator
> >>>onscreen. It can happen on any channel but it is always to the right of
> >>an
> >>>operating channel, and usually an unused one. I hear it on playback but
> >>more
> >>>importantly on my mixdowns as well. I have reloaded the software but as
> >>yet
> >>>have not managed to track the problem down...
> >>>
> >>>Thanks,
> >>>
> >>>Jim.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>> Anyway, to tell you the truth I am not quite sure I understand what you
are
> trying to achieve, but it sounds like you are doing you own mastering from
> your mixes and it sounds like you want to bring the "mastered" stereo
files
> back into the song and find it (hear it) sonically equivelant to the
original.
> Is that my understanding?
Well, at least as good. And hopefully better. At this point it is losing
some quality. I am doing most of it in Paris and some in CEP. I am getting
plenty of volume, avg RMS level at around -12db. It really distorts the
boombox, computer speakers, and my truck speakers, so I have to turn it
pretty low. I'm going to try more eq to get rid of some of the hi/lo
frequencies that are not important to the mix.
To be honest, that is exactly why I am going
> through all my projects again and remastering them... I tried to do all my
> mastering myself... I've learned alot about it since I been doing it for
> years now... Having the proper tools (and knowing how to use them) is the
> trick. Having good ears and having a multitude of playback devices and
speakers
> to listen. As I read one article, you certainly don't want little suzie's
> boombox to be farting... lol Sorry, but I found that ironic and very
true.
> My normal routine is to find a great mixdown in Paris with decent studio
> speakers (believe it or not, I currently use Behringer B-300's for this).
> Then, I use the old CoolEdit Pro and convert the mixdown to a .wav. In
> CoolEdit I use a touch of iZotope Ozone plugin (which has a great
equalizer,
> maximizer, etc.) and then convert to 16 bit in Cool Edit.
So you bring in a 24bit PAF mixdown file into CEP? I tried that with a
16bit PAF and CEP played it too fast, even though is said SR was 44.1Khz??
Same file as a Wav plays correct?? Anyway, I havent tried recording at
24bit in Paris yet, maybe it will be better.
Burn it and listen
> in the car, the truck, the boombox, home stereo, even put it in the DvD
player
> and listen through the home theatre system. Of course, to be honest,
you'll
> always find things to adjust or wrong..
Yep, every time I hear the mixes I will change things. I am also bringing
in other commercial CDs into Paris for a/bs. I'm a very long way from
getting anywhere close to these.
EdnaThanks EK, I know about all of that but I was talking about when you select
a whole tracks fader automation and want to put it up say .2 db sometimes
it will only go up .5 or so. The shift drag thinkg does not seem to work
for me at least.
EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>Hey Cujo
>
>You *can* "shift" to get smaller values when moving the automation
>points. Also, if you click on the track number in the editor, all of
>that tracks auto points turn red allowing you to move them all at
>once. Further, you can "shift select" additional tracks... all 16 of
>them actually, and move the whole shebang up or down.
>
>David.
>
>cujo wrote:
>> The automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I could type in values.
>> For instance on bringing an entire track with automation up by .5 db.
>> Also, the shift/ fader for .1 db tweaks trick would be nice in the automation
>> editor,
>> Check it out though
>>
>> "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause everytime
>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
>>>out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using my
>>
>> Paris
>>
>>>since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got into
>>>all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
>>>Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you use
>>
>> Paris
>>
>>>for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out much
>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
and
>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
>>>But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
files/channels
>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the
>>
>> normalize
>>
>>>funtion... ~ Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>>>
>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet either,
>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of Paris.
>>>>But its on my list.
>>>>Edna
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
unsure
>>>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days ago...
>>>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster some
>>>>
>>>>older
>>>>
>>>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
adjust
>>>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
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Edna Sloan
Messages: 304
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>>>>
>>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic recording,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>mixing....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Cujo,
Same here. Usually works but not always.
3.1
Tom
"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote in message =
news:43b9ffaa$1@linux...
Thanks EK, I know about all of that but I was talking about when you =
select
a whole tracks fader automation and want to put it up say .2 db =
sometimes
it will only go up .5 or so. The shift drag thinkg does not seem to =
work
for me at least.
EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>Hey Cujo
>
>You *can* "shift" to get smaller values when moving the automation=20
>points. Also, if you click on the track number in the editor, all of=20
>that tracks auto points turn red allowing you to move them all at=20
>once. Further, you can "shift select" additional tracks... all 16 of =
>them actually, and move the whole shebang up or down.
>
>David.
>
>cujo wrote:
>> The automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I could type in =
values.
>> For instance on bringing an entire track with automation up by .5 =
db.
>> Also, the shift/ fader for .1 db tweaks trick would be nice in the =
automation
>> editor,
>> Check it out though
>>=20
>> "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it =
cause everytime
>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I h
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Mon, 02 January 2006 21:38 |
cujo
Messages: 285
Registered: July 2005
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aven't =
figured
>>>out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been =
using my
>>=20
>> Paris
>>=20
>>>since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never =
got into
>>>all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I =
learn,
>>>Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you =
use
>>=20
>> Paris
>>=20
>>>for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go =
out much
>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my =
hobby
and
>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland =
system.
>>>But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit =
single
files/channels
>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try =
the
>>=20
>> normalize
>>=20
>>>funtion... ~ Ed
>>>
>>>
>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could =
just
>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>>>
>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet =
either,
>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of =
Paris.
>>>>But its on my list.
>>>>Edna
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but =
was
unsure
>>>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few =
days ago...
>>>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster =
some
>>>>
>>>>older
>>>>
>>>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to =
individually
adjust
>>>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them =
up
or
>>>>
>>>>down.
>>>>
>>>>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused =
channel
>>>>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. =
This brings
>>>>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they =
were,
>>>>
>>>>normalize
>>>>
>>>>>>to 10.)
>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power =
users.
>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>>>>mainly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and =
such.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically =
liked the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>levels
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back =
through
>>>
>>>all
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel =
fader
>>>>>>
>>>>>>individually.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active =
meaning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>there
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? =
Another
>>>>>>
>>>>>>words,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring =
them
>>>>
>>>>all
>>>>
>>>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the =
same
>>>>
>>>>time
>>>>
>>>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be =
effected
>>>
>>>by
>>>
>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this =
reason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>There
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't =
figured
>>>
>>>it
>>>
>>>>>out.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into =
that
>>>>
>>>>learning
>>>>
>>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic =
recording,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>mixing....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
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Mon, 02 January 2006 21:08 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>"cujo" <<A=20
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..com</A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
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href=3D"news:43b9ffaa$1@linux">news:43b9ffaa$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR><BR>=
Thanks=20
EK, I know about all of that but I was talking about when you =
select<BR>a=20
whole tracks fader automation and want to put it up say .2 db =
sometimes<BR>it=20
will only go up .5 or so. The shift drag thinkg does not seem to =
work<BR>for=20
me at least.<BR><BR><BR>EK Sound <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com">spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com</A>=
>=20
wrote:<BR>>Hey Cujo<BR>><BR>>You *can* "shift" to get smaller =
values=20
when moving the automation <BR>>points. Also, if you click on the =
track=20
number in the editor, all of <BR>>that tracks auto points turn red =
allowing=20
you to move them all at <BR>>once. Further, you can "shift =
select"=20
additional tracks... all 16 of <BR>>them actually, and move the =
whole=20
shebang up or down.<BR>><BR>>David.<BR>><BR>>cujo=20
wrote:<BR>>> The automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I =
could=20
type in values.<BR>>> For instance on bringing an entire track =
with=20
automation up by .5 db.<BR>>> Also, the shift/ fader for .1 db =
tweaks=20
trick would be nice in the automation<BR>>> editor,<BR>>> =
Check it=20
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href=3D"mailto:askme@email.com">askme@email.com</A>> =
wrote:<BR>>>=20
<BR>>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away =
from it=20
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changing=20
things... and I haven't figured<BR>>>>out how to "edit" the=20
automation either. Funny thing.. I been using my<BR>>>=20
<BR>>> Paris<BR>>> <BR>>>>since 2001 and I just =
use it=20
for basic tracking/mixing. I never got into<BR>>>>all =
the=20
features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I=20
learn,<BR>>>>Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... =
lol. =20
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me? I don't go out much<BR>>>>(not too many places to =
go in=20
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little=20
get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland=20
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wasn't easy=20
to edit single<BR>files/channels<BR>>>>on the Roland. =
Ok.. I=20
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<BR>>>=20
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Ed<BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>>>"Edna" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com">edna@texomaonline.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>>You bet! Actually, you =
don't=20
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mix.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I haven't gotten in to the =
automation or the automation editor yet =
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just make sure the automation worked after my install of=20
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=
list.<BR>>>>>Edna<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>"Ed"=
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<<A href=3D"mailto:askme@email.com">askme@email.com</A>> wrote =
in message=20
<A=20
=
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Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but=20
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=
some<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>older <BR>>>>><BR>=
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<<A =
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=
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in message=20
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bug that makes the auto data snap to zero when it gets
close. Try the shift thing again in the auto window... oh,
BTW, you have to be at max vertical zoom for it to work.
This means it will only work on values between -15 and +6?
going from memory here... another "feature". ;-)
David.
cujo wrote:
> Thanks EK, I know about all of that but I was talking about when you select
> a whole tracks fader automation and want to put it up say .2 db sometimes
> it will only go up .5 or so. The shift drag thinkg does not seem to work
> for me at least.
>
>
> EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>
>>Hey Cujo
>>
>>You *can* "shift" to get smaller values when moving the automation
>>points. Also, if you click on the track number in the editor, all of
>>that tracks auto points turn red allowing you to move them all at
>>once. Further, you can "shift select" additional tracks... all 16 of
>>them actually, and move the whole shebang up or down.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>cujo wrote:
>>
>>>The automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I could type in values.
>>>For instance on bringing an entire track with automation up by .5 db.
>>>Also, the shift/ fader for .1 db tweaks trick would be nice in the automation
>>>editor,
>>>Check it out though
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause everytime
>>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
>>>>out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using my
>>>
>>>Paris
>>>
>>>
>>>>since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got into
>>>>all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
>>>>Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you use
>>>
>>>Paris
>>>
>>>
>>>>for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out much
>>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
>
> and
>
>>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
>>>>But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>
> files/channels
>
>>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the
>>>
>>>normalize
>>>
>>>
>>>>funtion... ~ Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>>>>
>>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet either,
>>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of Paris.
>>>>>But its on my list.
>>>>>Edna
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
>
> unsure
>
>>>>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days ago...
>>>>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster some
>>>>>
>>>>>older
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>
> adjust
>
>>>>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up
>
> or
>
>>>>>down.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused channel
>>>>>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This brings
>>>>>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>>>>
>>>>>normalize
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to 10.)
>>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users.
>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>mainly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>levels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>>>>
>>>>all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>individually.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My question is... is there a way to control all active (active meaning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? Another
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>words,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring them
>>>>>
>>>>>all
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same
>>>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>>>>
>>>>by
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>>>>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>>>>
>>>>>learning
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic recording,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mixing....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ed and Edna,
You're doing this with "Normalize mix"(Ctrl+N). If it's 0, the highest
channel volume will be 0db. If you're setting it to+4, the highest channel
will be +4db. All the other channels will
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automatically be following with
+4db. If you need 2 more db's up, it's +6. It can be a little tricky if you
have some volumes automated. Sometimes it will not follow the "normalizing"
process, so you have to go into automatin mode(Shft+E), mark the automations
red and normalize it with the same +4db's in "Change volume"(Ctrl+E).
If you're learning the automation tricks, it's like a new world will be
opened up for you. It's a good idea to find out more about it from the
manual.
Erling
"Ed" <askme@email.com> skrev i melding news:43b9a83a$1@linux...
>
> Ummm... I am afraid your advice didn't work Edna. I failed to mention
> that
> I am using Paris 3.0. I only see the "normalize mix" option in the
> Functions
> section on the Mixer. When I select it, it wants me to adjust the total
> mix by maximun Db. I'll have to play with it I suppose. But I could have
> sworn there was a way to control all faders at the same time....
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>Well I just got into Paris a couple months ago. Its my first DAW. I am
>>amazed at what all it can do. I did try out a Roland unit one time but
> was
>>disappointed with the sound - dead, cold, etc. I am using Paris to track
>>vocals and synth mainly for church related things, BG tracks, CDs, etc.
>>Also for writing my own stuff - I play kybds/sing. Used to play in bands.
>>I got Paris for the sound. I prefer analog, and Paris was touted as the
>>nearest to that. It certainly wipes the floor with the Roland, IMHO. And
> I
>>love the editing features. At the moment I am experimenting with
>>mixdowns,
>>trying to get the exported stereo files to sound as good as the original
> mix
>>and as loud as comm cds - when I bring the stereo wav back to the project
>>and a/b with the original, it doesn't sound quite as open and clear.
>>Edna
>> "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>>>
>>> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>>everytime
>>> I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
>>> out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using my
>>Paris
>>> since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
>>> into
>>> all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
>>> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you use
>>Paris
>>> for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
>>> much
>>> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
> and
>>> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
>>> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>>files/channels
>>> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the
>>normalize
>>> funtion... ~ Ed
>>>
>>>
>>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>> >normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>> >
>>> >I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>>either,
>>> >except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
>>> >Paris.
>>> >But its on my list.
>>> >Edna
>>> >
>>> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
>>unsure
>>> >> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>>ago...
>>> >> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster
>>> >> some
>>> >older
>>> >> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>>adjust
>>> >> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up
> or
>>> >down.
>>> >> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>>channel
>>> >> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>>brings
>>> >> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>> >normalize
>>> >> >to 10.)
>>> >> >Edna
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power
>>> >> >> users.
>>> I
>>> >> >mainly
>>> >> >> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>> >> >Anyway,
>>> >> >> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
> the
>>> >> >levels
>>> >> >> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>>> all
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>> >> >individually.
>>> >> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>>meaning
>>> >> >there
>>> >> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>>Another
>>> >> >words,
>>> >> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
> them
>>> >all
>>> >> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
>>> >> >> same
>>> >time
>>> >> >> without doing them individually?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>>> by
>>> >> >this.
>>> >> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
>>> >> >> reason.
>>> >> >There
>>> >> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>>> it
>>> >> out.
>>> >> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>> >learning
>>> >> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>>recording,
>>> >> >mixing....
>>> >> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>Edna, I saw you had the answer on normalize right after I sent mine. Sorry.
Erling
"Ed" <askme@email.com> skrev i melding news:43b9a83a$1@linux...
>
> Ummm... I am afraid your advice didn't work Edna. I failed to mention
> that
> I am using Paris 3.0. I only see the "normalize mix" option in the
> Functions
> section on the Mixer. When I select it, it wants me to adjust the total
> mix by maximun Db. I'll have to play with it I suppose. But I could have
> sworn there was a way to control all faders at the same time....
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>Well I just got into Paris a couple months ago. Its my first DAW. I am
>>amazed at what all it can do. I did try out a Roland unit one time but
> was
>>disappointed with the sound - dead, cold, etc. I am using Paris to track
>>vocals and synth mainly for church relate
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Mon, 02 January 2006 22:52 |
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Messages: 405
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d things, BG tracks, CDs, etc.
>>Also for writing my own stuff - I play kybds/sing. Used to play in bands.
>>I got Paris for the sound. I prefer analog, and Paris was touted as the
>>nearest to that. It certainly wipes the floor with the Roland, IMHO. And
> I
>>love the editing features. At the moment I am experimenting with
>>mixdowns,
>>trying to get the exported stereo files to sound as good as the original
> mix
>>and as loud as comm cds - when I bring the stereo wav back to the project
>>and a/b with the original, it doesn't sound quite as open and clear.
>>Edna
>> "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>>>
>>> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>>everytime
>>> I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
>>> out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using my
>>Paris
>>> since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
>>> into
>>> all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
>>> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you use
>>Paris
>>> for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
>>> much
>>> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
> and
>>> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
>>> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>>files/channels
>>> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the
>>normalize
>>> funtion... ~ Ed
>>>
>>>
>>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>> >normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>> >
>>> >I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>>either,
>>> >except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
>>> >Paris.
>>> >But its on my list.
>>> >Edna
>>> >
>>> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
>>unsure
>>> >> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>>ago...
>>> >> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster
>>> >> some
>>> >older
>>> >> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>>adjust
>>> >> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up
> or
>>> >down.
>>> >> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>>channel
>>> >> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>>brings
>>> >> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>> >normalize
>>> >> >to 10.)
>>> >> >Edna
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power
>>> >> >> users.
>>> I
>>> >> >mainly
>>> >> >> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>> >> >Anyway,
>>> >> >> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
> the
>>> >> >levels
>>> >> >> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>>> all
>>> >> the
>>> >> >> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>> >> >individually.
>>> >> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>>meaning
>>> >> >there
>>> >> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>>Another
>>> >> >words,
>>> >> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
> them
>>> >all
>>> >> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
>>> >> >> same
>>> >time
>>> >> >> without doing them individually?
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>>> by
>>> >> >this.
>>> >> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
>>> >> >> reason.
>>> >> >There
>>> >> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>>> it
>>> >> out.
>>> >> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>> >learning
>>> >> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>>recording,
>>> >> >mixing....
>>> >> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
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Thanks Dave. I'll give it a try. I rarely use max zoom but maybe
more often now. Features, features, features.
Tom
"Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message =
news:43ba1118@linux...
It does work, until you get too close to "0"... there is a=20
bug that makes the auto data snap to zero when it gets=20
close. Try the shift thing again in the auto window... oh,=20
BTW, you have to be at max vertical zoom for it to work.=20
This means it will only work on values between -15 and +6?=20
going from memory here... another "feature". ;-)
David.
cujo wrote:
> Thanks EK, I know about all of that but I was talking about when you =
select
> a whole tracks fader automation and want to put it up say .2 db =
sometimes
> it will only go up .5 or so. The shift drag thinkg does not seem to =
work
> for me at least.
>=20
>=20
> EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>=20
>>Hey Cujo
>>
>>You *can* "shift" to get smaller values when moving the automation=20
>>points. Also, if you click on the track number in the editor, all of =
>>that tracks auto points turn red allowing you to move them all at=20
>>once. Furthe
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Mon, 02 January 2006 22:55 |
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Messages: 405
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r, you can "shift select" additional tracks... all 16 =
of=20
>>them actually, and move the whole shebang up or down.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>cujo wrote:
>>
>>>The automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I could type in =
values.
>>>For instance on bringing an entire track with automation up by .5 =
db.
>>>Also, the shift/ fader for .1 db tweaks trick would be nice in the =
automation
>>>editor,
>>>Check it out though
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it =
cause everytime
>>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't =
figured
>>>>out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been =
using my
>>>
>>>Paris
>>>
>>>
>>>>since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never =
got into
>>>>all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I =
learn,
>>>>Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do =
you use
>>>
>>>Paris
>>>
>>>
>>>>for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go =
out much
>>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my =
hobby
>=20
> and
>=20
>>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland =
system.
>>>>But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit =
single
>=20
> files/channels
>=20
>>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll =
try the
>>>
>>>normalize
>>>
>>>
>>>>funtion... ~ Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could =
just
>>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>>>>
>>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor =
yet either,
>>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install =
of Paris.
>>>>>But its on my list.
>>>>>Edna
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but =
was
>=20
> unsure
>=20
>>>>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few =
days ago...
>>>>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to =
remix/remaster some
>>>>>
>>>>>older
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to =
individually
>=20
> adjust
>=20
>>>>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them =
up
>=20
> or
>=20
>>>>>down.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an =
unused channel
>>>>>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. =
This brings
>>>>>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they =
were,
>>>>>
>>>>>normalize
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to 10.)
>>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message =
news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power =
users.
>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>mainly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and =
such.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically =
liked the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>levels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back =
through
>>>>
>>>>all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel =
fader
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>individually.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My question is... is there a way to control all active (active =
meaning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? =
Another
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>words,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to =
bring them
>>>>>
>>>>>all
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the =
same
>>>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be =
effected
>>>>
>>>>by
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Tue, 03 January 2006 00:56 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
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;>In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this =
reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't =
figured
>>>>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into =
that
>>>>>
>>>>>learning
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic =
recording,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mixing....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>>>>
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------=_NextPart_000_015E_01C61019.AB158960--Editing automation is easy. It's also in the manual. Basically you
turn on the display data buttons for either volume, pan or mute and then
turn on the edit data button for the same. Then you pick the tool at
the top to select, move, draw lines, freeform draw, erase. You can use
interpolate or simplify to add more values or reduce the number of
values easily. Reply if this doesn't make sense. 10 minutes in the
manual and you'll have it. I'll repost my automation notes soon for
recording automation cuz the ones on my site are wrong at the last step.
John
Ed wrote:
> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause everytime
> I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
> out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using my Paris
> since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got into
> all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you use Paris
> for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out much
> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby and
> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single files/channels
> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the normalize
> funtion... ~ Ed
>
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>
>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>
>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet either,
>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of Paris.
>>But its on my list.
>>Edna
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>
>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was unsure
>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days ago...
>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster some
>>
>>older
>>
>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually adjust
>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>
>>>
>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up or
>>
>>down.
>>
>>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused channel
>>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This brings
>>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>
>>normalize
>>
>>>>to 10.)
>>>>Edna
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users.
>
> I
>
>>>>mainly
>>>>
>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>>>
>>>>Anyway,
>>>>
>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked the
>>>>
>>>>levels
>>>>
>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>
> all
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>>>
>>>>individually.
>>>>
>>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active meaning
>>>>
>>>>there
>>>>
>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? Another
>>>>
>>>>words,
>>>>
>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring them
>>
>>all
>>
>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same
>>
>>time
>>
>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>
>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>
> by
>
>>>>this.
>>>>
>>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this reason.
>>>>
>>>>There
>>>>
>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>
> it
>
>>>out.
>>>
>>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>
>>learning
>>
>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic recording,
>>>>
>>>>mixing....
>>>>
>>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>I read the entire manual in the last 2 days. It's very nicely written
but a few things are not right......
Rendering Native/EDS/EQ doesn't
Compacting doesn't
Automation instructions are incorrect
Punch in Freeform instructions are incorrect
Midi .... skip it
On the other hand I learn a lot of the cool little things like using the
solo/mute buttons on the master fader clears all and you should never
move loop points or enable/disable looping during playback or recording.
John
Don Nafe wrote:
> Oh yes, the wonderful Paris Manual...live and die by it
>
> ;-)
>
> Don
>
> "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9a3c1$1@linux...
>
>>Hi Don, thanks for the offer to help. I must admit the manual is terrible
>>explaining this feature and had me confused. But I was not at the Paris
>>system
>>when I was reading it... anyway, perhaps I'll tackle that sometime in the
>>future.. for now I'll be content with plain mixes. Too bad someone didn't
>>put together a little help file on this subject. I was mainly trying to
>>adjust
>>my faders and I was adjusting them individually. I knew there was a way to
>>adjust them all at once, and I asked. Edna helped me out... thanks again.
>>
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Editing automation is basically how I automate...very simple indeed...I'm
>>
>>>not at my machine right now so I can't give you a step by step but if
>>>you'd
>>
>>>like email me and when I get a chance (next day or so) I'll send you the
>>
>>how
>>
>>>to that I use or we can chat on the phone or via skype...much quicker
>>>
>>>don
>>>
>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>>>>everytime
>>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
>>>>out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using my
>>
>>>>Paris
>>>>since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
>>>>into
>>>>all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
>>>>Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you use
>>
>>>>Paris
>>>>for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
>>>>much
>>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
>>
>>and
>>
>>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
>>>>But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>>
>>>>files/channels
>>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the
>>
>>>>normalize
>>>>funtion... ~ Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Edna" <Report message to a moderator
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John [1]
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nk">edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>>>>
>>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>>>>>either,
>>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
>>>>>Paris.
>>>>>But its on my list.
>>>>>Edna
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
>>
>>>>>>unsure
>>>>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>>>>>>ago...
>>>>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster some
>>>>>
>>>>>older
>>>>>
>>>>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>>
>>>>>>adjust
>>>>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up
>>
>>or
>>
>>>>>down.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>>>>>>>channel
>>>>>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>>>>>>>brings
>>>>>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>>>>
>>>>>normalize
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to 10.)
>>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users.
>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>>>>mainly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>>>>levels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>>>>
>>>>all
>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>individually.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>>>>>>>>meaning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>>>>>>>>Another
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>words,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
>>>>>>>>them
>>>>>
>>>>>all
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same
>>>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>>>>
>>>>by
>>>>
>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
>>>>>>>>reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>>>>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>>>out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>>>>
>>>>>learning
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>>>>>>>>recording,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mixing....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>
>A
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62270 is a reply to message #62240] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 04:15 |
John [1]
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utomation Recording Procedure using the C16 Pro
1. Stop the Transport
2. NULL FADERS: Using their Null Arrow LEDs on the C16, synchronize the
Faders of the Channel strips you intend to automate with their Mixer
Window counterparts (see page 214).
3. ENABLE AUTO: Press the Auto button on the C16. The LED will begin
flashing.
4. ARM CHANNELS: Press and hold the Select button on the desired
channel(s) for about one second. The red LED will light above the
channel strip, indicating that Automation Edit is enabled for that track.
5. BEGIN WRITING AUTOMATION DATA: Begin playback, tap the Select button
on the ARMED channel(s) to write fader automation. The yellow LED will
light indicating Automation "Write Mode". Make your fader/eq/pan moves now.
6. PUNCH IN/OUT: You can punch in and out of Automation Write Mode by
tapping the Select button during playback. You do not need to enter
"Write Mode" to write Mute on or off automation. Make sure MUTE is
disabled after recording automation.
7. Continue recording automation data until the end of the Project, or
press the Stop button when you reach a point after which no further
volume or Mute-button changes are to occur.
8. To un-arm each Channel to stop the recording of automation data,
press and hold the channel's Select button for one second. The red LED
will go out.
9. To activate playback of each Channel's automation data, simply tap
the Channel's Select button after pressing the Auto button (LED
flashing) prior to playing back the Project. Press the AUTO button to
disable it and stop the flashing. Make SURE no channels are Automation
Edit enabled. The "E" button at the bottom of your Mixer window fader
indicates you are going to write automation data. The "A" indicates you
will be playing the moves back.
Enjoy.You guys on a Mac or something? CONTROL drag works every time for me, doing
.1 increments, zoom doesn't matter.
Rod
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Thanks Dave. I'll give it a try. I rarely use max zoom but maybe
>more often now. Features, features, features.
>Tom
>
> "Dave(EK Sound)" <audioguy_editout_@shaw.ca> wrote in message =
>news:43ba1118@linux...
> It does work, until you get too close to "0"... there is a=20
> bug that makes the auto data snap to zero when it gets=20
> close. Try the shift thing again in the auto window... oh,=20
> BTW, you have to be at max vertical zoom for it to work.=20
> This means it will only work on values between -15 and +6?=20
> going from memory here... another "feature". ;-)
>
> David.
>
> cujo wrote:
>
> > Thanks EK, I know about all of that but I was talking about when you
=
>select
> > a whole tracks fader automation and want to put it up say .2 db =
>sometimes
> > it will only go up .5 or so. The shift drag thinkg does not seem to
=
>work
> > for me at least.
> >=20
> >=20
> > EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
> >=20
> >>Hey Cujo
> >>
> >>You *can* "shift" to get smaller values when moving the automation=20
> >>points. Also, if you click on the track number in the editor, all of
=
>
> >>that tracks auto points turn red allowing you to move them all at=20
> >>once. Further, you can "shift select" additional tracks... all 16 =
>of=20
> >>them actually, and move the whole shebang up or down.
> >>
> >>David.
> >>
> >>cujo wrote:
> >>
> >>>The automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I could type in =
>values.
> >>>For instance on bringing an entire track with automation up by .5 =
>db.
> >>>Also, the shift/ fader for .1 db tweaks trick would be nice in the
=
>automation
> >>>editor,
> >>>Check it out though
> >>>
> >>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it =
>cause everytime
> >>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't =
>figured
> >>>>out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been =
>using my
> >>>
> >>>Paris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never =
>got into
> >>>>all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I
=
>learn,
> >>>>Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do =
>you use
> >>>
> >>>Paris
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go =
>out much
> >>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my =
>hobby
> >=20
> > and
> >=20
> >>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland =
>system.
> >>>>But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit =
>single
> >=20
> > files/channels
> >=20
> >>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll =
>try the
> >>>
> >>>normalize
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>funtion... ~ Ed
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could
=
>just
> >>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor =
>yet either,
> >>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install =
>of Paris.
> >>>>>But its on my list.
> >>>>>Edna
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but
=
>was
> >=20
> > unsure
> >=20
> >>>>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few =
>days ago...
> >>>>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to =
>remix/remaster some
> >>>>>
> >>>>>older
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to =
>individually
> >=20
> > adjust
> >=20
> >>>>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them
=
>up
> >=20
> > or
> >=20
> >>>>>down.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an =
>unused channel
> >>>>>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. =
>This brings
> >>>>>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they =
>were,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>normalize
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>to 10.)
> >>>>>>>Edna
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message =
>news:43b952d0$1@linux...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power =
>users.
>
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62272 is a reply to message #62268] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 08:42 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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;>>>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to =
>bring them
> >>>>>
> >>>>>all
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
=
>same
> >>>>>
> >>>>>time
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>without doing them individually?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be =
>effected
> >>>>
> >>>>by
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>this.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this =
>reason.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>There
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't =
>figured
> >>>>
> >>>>it
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>out.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into =
>that
> >>>>>
> >>>>>learning
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic =
>recording,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>mixing....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
>
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>talking about=20
> when you select<BR>> a whole tracks fader automation and want to =
>put it up=20
> say .2 db sometimes<BR>> it will only go up .5 or so. The shift =
>drag thinkg=20
> does not seem to work<BR>> for me at least.<BR>> <BR>> =
><BR>> EK=20
> Sound <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com">spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com</A>=
>>=20
> wrote:<BR>> <BR>>>Hey Cujo<BR>>><BR>>>You *can* =
>"shift"=20
> to get smaller values when moving the automation <BR>>>points. =
>Also, if=20
> you click on the track number in the editor, all of <BR>>>that =
>tracks=20
> auto points turn red allowing you to move them all at =
><BR>>>once. =20
> Further, you can "shift select" additional tracks... all 16 of=20
> <BR>>>them actually, and move the whole shebang up or=20
> down.<BR>>><BR>>>David.<BR>>><BR>>>cujo=20
> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>>The automation editor is pretty =
>cool. I only=20
> wish I could type in values.<BR>>>>For instance on bringing =
>an entire=20
> track with automation up by .5 db.<BR>>>>Also, the shift/ =
>fader for=20
> .1 db tweaks trick would be nice in the=20
> automation<BR>>>>editor,<BR>>>>Check it out=20
> though<BR>>>><BR>>>>"Ed" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:askme@email.com">askme@email.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>>>The =
>automation is a=20
> great feature, but I too stay away from it cause=20
> everytime<BR>>>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing=20
> things... and I haven't figured<BR>>>>>out how to "edit" =
>the=20
> automation either. Funny thing.. I been using=20
> =
>my<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris<BR>>>><BR>>>><B=
>R>>>>>since=20
> 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got=20
> into<BR>>>>>all the features... but it's on my list too..=20
> lol. By the time I learn,<BR>>>>>Paris will be =
>obsolete. Oh!=20
> it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you=20
> =
>use<BR>>>><BR>>>>Paris<BR>>>><BR>>>><=
>BR>>>>>for? =20
> You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out=20
> much<BR>>>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD..=20
> lol.) So this is my hobby<BR>> <BR>> and<BR>>=20
> <BR>>>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I =
>started=20
> out with a Roland system.<BR>>>>>But I knew I had to move =
>to a DAW=20
> since it wasn't easy to edit single<BR>> <BR>> =
>files/channels<BR>>=20
> <BR>>>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... =
>Thanks=20
> again and I'll try=20
> =
>the<BR>>>><BR>>>>normalize<BR>>>><BR>>>&=
>gt;<BR>>>>>funtion... =20
> ~ Ed<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>"Edna" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com">edna@texomaonline.com</A>>=20
> =
>wrote:<BR>>>>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>You=
>=20
> bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could =
>
> just<BR>>>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader =
>value in=20
> the mix.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>I haven't =
>gotten in to=20
> the automation or the automation editor yet=20
> either,<BR>>>>>>except to just make sure the automation =
>worked=20
> after my install of Paris.<BR>>>>>>But its on my=20
> =
>list.<BR>>>>>>Edna<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>=
>>>"Ed"=20
> <<A href=3D"mailto:askme@email.com">askme@email.com</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:43b9652e$1@linux">news:43b9652e$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
>t;>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>Thanks=20
> Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but =
>was<BR>>=20
> <BR>> unsure<BR>> <BR>>>>>>>how it =
>operated. In=20
> fact, I wished I known this option a few days=20
> ago...<BR>>>>>>>would have saved me lots of =
>time. I=20
> was trying to remix/remaster=20
> =
>some<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>older<BR>>>>=
>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>projects=20
> and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually<BR>> =
><BR>>=20
> adjust<BR>> <BR>>>>>>>each channel. Thanks =
>again... =20
> =
>:)<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>=
>;>>>"Edna"=20
> <<A =
>href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com">edna@texomaonline.com</A>>=20
> =
>wrote:<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>><BR>>>=
>;>>>>>Yes,=20
> you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up<BR>> =
><BR>>=20
> or<BR>>=20
> =
><BR>>>>>>down.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>=
>><BR>>>>>>>>For=20
> example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused=20
> channel<BR>>>>>>>>move its fader to 10 and then =
>normalize=20
> with highest at 7. This =
>brings<BR>>>>>>>>down=20
> all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they=20
> =
>were,<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>normalize<BR>>>=
>;>>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>to=20
> =
>10.)<BR>>>>>>>>Edna<BR>>>>>>>><=
>BR>>>>>>>>"Ed"=20
> <<A href=3D"mailto:askme@email.com">askme@email.com</A>> wrote =
>in message=20
> <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:43b952d0$1@linux">news:43b952d0$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
>t;>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>=
>;>>>Hi=20
> All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power=20
> =
>users.<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>I<BR>>>>><BR>&g=
>t;>>><BR>>>>>>>>mainly<BR>>>>>&=
>gt;>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>&g=
>t;>use=20
> the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and=20
> =
>such.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>Anyw=
>ay,<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>&g=
>t;>>>>>>>I=20
> was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked=20
> =
>the<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>levels=
><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>&=
>gt;>>>>>>of=20
> one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back=20
> =
>through<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>all<BR>>>>><BR=
>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>the<BR>>>>>>&=
>gt;<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>other =
>
> songs in the other projects to bring down each channel=20
> =
>fader<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>indi=
>vidually.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>=
><BR>>>>>>>>>My=20
> question is... is there a way to control all active (active=20
> =
>meaning<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>th=
>ere<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>&g=
>t;>>>>>>>is=20
> something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? =20
> =
>Another<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>wo=
>rds,<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>&=
>gt;>>>>>>>I=20
> have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring=20
> =
>them<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>all<BR>>>>&g=
>t;><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>down=20
> a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the=20
> =
>same<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>time<BR>>>>&=
>gt;><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>withou=
>t=20
> doing them=20
> =
>individually?<BR>>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>=
>>>>Lastly,=20
> I don't have any automation set, so that won't be=20
> =
>effected<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>by<BR>>>>><BR=
>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>this.<BR>>>>>=
>;>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>=
>>>In=20
> fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this=20
> =
>reason.<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>Th=
>ere<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>><BR>&g=
>t;>>>>>>>may=20
> be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't=20
> =
>figured<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>it<BR>>>>><BR>=
>>>>><BR>>>>>>>out.<BR>>>>>>&=
>gt;<BR>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>I=20
> just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into=20
> =
>that<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>learning<BR>>>&=
>gt;>><BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>>pr=
>ocess...=20
> lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic=20
> =
>recording,<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>>=
>;mixing....<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>&g=
>t;<BR>>>>>>>>>thanks=20
> in advance... and Happy New Year=20
> =
>(2006)!<BR>>>>>>>><BR>>>>>>>></=
>BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>
>Well, it doesn't work for me. Imagine a song with faders currently all over
the place for adjustment. Most are below the zero. When I select "Normalize"
from the function menu in the Mixer, it asks for the Db level (with a zero
default). I experimented on one song and I put in a -3.0. Once I hit return,
ALL my faders did move.. but they moved way UP! So that function in Paris
3.0 is not what I want. I was wanting a way to physically move one fader
and the rest of the faders follow suit. I thought there was a feature in
Paris to do that, but I guess not. Thanks for you help tho.....
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>Normalize Mix is the correct function. The Maximum DB level is what you
>will set to move the faders - this is the value your highest level fader
>will be increased to, and this amount of increase will be the amount all
>faders are changed by. As an experiment, set all your faders a 0 db. Now,
>lets say you would like to raise the entire mix by 5 db. Select Normalize
>Mix and enter 5db for the maximum db level. Now all your faders will move
>up to 5db. If this worked for you, then take one of your actual mixes you
>would like to increase. Lets say you want to move the faders all up by
3 db
>and they are all at different levels. Find the fader with the highest level
>(make sure your unused faders are below this value). Lets say it is at
2db.
>Now select Normalize Mix and set the maximum db gain at 5db (its 2db level
+
>your 3d increase). Now this fader moves up 3db to reach the max 5db value
>you chose. At the same time the other faders will move up 3db as well.
>
>If you wanted to lower the levels, just set the maximum level of the highest
>fader down by however many db you want. Lets say the 3db above was too
>much and you would like to reduce it by a db. Same procedure, just set
the
>maxumum db level to 4db. This reduces your max level fader from 5db to
>4db - a one db change for all faders.
>
>Hope this helps. I use it a lot and it works for well for me.
>Edna
>
>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9a83a$1@linux...
>>
>> Ummm... I am afraid your advice didn't work Edna. I failed to mention
>that
>> I am using Paris 3.0. I only see the "normalize mix" option in the
>Functions
>> section on the Mixer. When I select it, it wants me to adjust the total
>> mix by maximun Db. I'll have to play with it I suppose. But I could
have
>> sworn there was a way to control all faders at the same time....
>>
>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >Well I just got into Paris a couple months ago. Its my first DAW. I
am
>> >amazed at what all it can do. I did try out a Roland unit one time but
>> was
>> >disappointed with the sound - dead, cold, etc. I am using Paris to track
>> >vocals and synth mainly for church related things, BG tracks, CDs, etc.
>> >Also for writing my own stuff - I play kybds/sing. Used to play in
>bands.
>> >I got Paris for the sound. I prefer analog, and Paris was touted as
the
>> >nearest to that. It certainly wipes the floor with the Roland, IMHO.
And
>> I
>> >love the editing features. At the moment I am experimenting with
>mixdowns,
>> >trying to get the exported stereo files to sound as good as the original
>> mix
>> >and as loud as comm cds - when I bring the stereo wav back to the project
>> >and a/b with the original, it doesn't sound quite as open and clear.
>> >Edna
>> > "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>> >>
>> >> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>> >everytime
>> >> I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't
>figured
>> >> out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using
my
>> >Paris
>> >> since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
>into
>> >> all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I
>learn,
>> >> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you
use
>> >Paris
>> >> for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
>much
>> >> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
>> and
>> >> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland
>system.
>> >> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>> >files/channels
>> >> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try
the
>> >normalize
>> >> funtion... ~ Ed
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >> >You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>> >> >normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>> >> >
>> >> >I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>> >either,
>> >> >except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
>Paris.
>> >> >But its on my list.
>> >> >Edna
>> >> >
>> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but
was
>> >unsure
>> >> >> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>> >ago...
>> >> >> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster
>some
>> >> >older
>> >> >> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>> >adjust
>> >> >> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them
up
>> or
>> >> >down.
>> >> >> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>> >channel
>> >> >> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>> >brings
>> >> >> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>> >> >normalize
>> >> >> >to 10.)
>> >> >> >Edna
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power
>users.
>> >> I
>> >> >> >mainly
>> >> >> >> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and
>such.
>> >> >> >Anyway,
>> >> >> >> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
>> the
>> >> >> >levels
>> >> >> >> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back
>through
>> >> all
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel
>fader
>> >> >> >individually.
>> >> >> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>> >meaning
>> >> >> >there
>> >> >> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>> >Another
>> >> >> >words,
>> >> >> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
>> them
>> >> >all
>> >> >> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
>same
>> >> >time
>> >> >> >> without doing them individually?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be
>effected
>> >> by
>> >> >> >this.
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62273 is a reply to message #62260] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 09:20 |
Ed
Messages: 199
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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>> >> >> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
>reason.
>> >> >> >There
>> >> >> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't
>figured
>> >> it
>> >> >> out.
>> >> >> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into
that
>> >> >learning
>> >> >> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>> >recording,
>> >> >> >mixing....
>> >> >> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>Hey guys,
I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with assessments
on Pro Tools sound quality.
First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release Gospel
Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and ITB
(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's elequent
editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain in
!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those same
mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30 tracks,
things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost or
they don't sit right.
However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay intacked,
and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in discussions
about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not. Opinions
varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it was
to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
P.S
Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit floating
point mixer..
"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>Yukkk,
>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and I
>have to say...I don't like it.
>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
in
>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from the
>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the full
>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled), it
>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>--
>Martin Harrington
>www.lendanear-sound.com
>
>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>> I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with one.
At
>> what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>
>> If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
I'm
>> considering switching to protools.
>>
>> jef
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>
>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>
>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel has,
>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these channels
>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>>feeling
>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems seem
to
>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>You may be refering to fader "grouping". You can group faders
together in V3 which will allow all grouped faders to move in unison.
You could set one fader to "absolute" and then set the rest to
"relative"... this would work somewhat, but the level relationships do
change as you change levels.
David.
Ed wrote:
> Well, it doesn't work for me. Imagine a song with faders currently all over
> the place for adjustment. Most are below the zero. When I select "Normalize"
> from the function menu in the Mixer, it asks for the Db level (with a zero
> default). I experimented on one song and I put in a -3.0. Once I hit return,
> ALL my faders did move.. but they moved way UP! So that function in Paris
> 3.0 is not what I want. I was wanting a way to physically move one fader
> and the rest of the faders follow suit. I thought there was a feature in
> Paris to do that, but I guess not. Thanks for you help tho.....
>
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>
>>Normalize Mix is the correct function. The Maximum DB level is what you
>>will set to move the faders - this is the value your highest level fader
>>will be increased to, and this amount of increase will be the amount all
>>faders are changed by. As an experiment, set all your faders a 0 db. Now,
>>lets say you would like to raise the entire mix by 5 db. Select Normalize
>>Mix and enter 5db for the maximum db level. Now all your faders will move
>>up to 5db. If this worked for you, then take one of your actual mixes you
>>would like to increase. Lets say you want to move the faders all up by
>
> 3 db
>
>>and they are all at different levels. Find the fader with the highest level
>>(make sure your unused faders are below this value). Lets say it is at
>
> 2db.
>
>>Now select Normalize Mix and set the maximum db gain at 5db (its 2db level
>
> +
>
>>your 3d increase). Now this fader moves up 3db to reach the max 5db value
>>you chose. At the same time the other faders will move up 3db as well.
>>
>>If you wanted to lower the levels, just set the maximum level of the highest
>>fader down by however many db you want. Lets say the 3db above was too
>>much and you would like to reduce it by a db. Same procedure, just set
>
> the
>
>>maxumum db level to 4db. This reduces your max level fader from 5db to
>>4db - a one db change for all faders.
>>
>>Hope this helps. I use it a lot and it works for well for me.
>>Edna
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9a83a$1@linux...
>>
>>>Ummm... I am afraid your advice didn't work Edna. I failed to mention
>>
>>that
>>
>>>I am using Paris 3.0. I only see the "normalize mix" option in the
>>
>>Functions
>>
>>>section on the Mixer. When I select it, it wants me to adjust the total
>>>mix by maximun Db. I'll have to play with it I suppose. But I could
>
> have
>
>>>sworn there was a way to control all faders at the same time....
>>>
>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well I just got into Paris a couple months ago. Its my first DAW. I
>
> am
>
>>>>amazed at what all it can do. I did try out a Roland unit one time but
>>>
>>>was
>>>
>>>>disappointed with the sound - dead, cold, etc. I am using Paris to track
>>>>vocals and synth mainly for church related things, BG tracks, CDs, etc.
>>>>Also for writing my own stuff - I play kybds/sing. Used to play in
>>
>>bands.
>>
>>>>I got Paris for the sound. I prefer analog, and Paris was touted as
>
> the
>
>>>>nearest to that. It certainly wipes the floor with the Roland, IMHO.
>
> And
>
>>>I
>>>
>>>>love the editing features. At the moment I am experimenting with
>>
>>mixdowns,
>>
>>>>trying to get the exported stereo files to sound as good as the original
>>>
>>>mix
>>>
>>>>and as loud as comm cds - when I bring the stereo wav back to the project
>>>>and a/b with the original, it doesn't sound quite as open and clear.
>>>>Edna
>>>> "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>>>>
>>>>everytime
>>>>
>>>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't
>>
>>figured
>>
>>>>>out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using
>
> my
>
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62275 is a reply to message #62273] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 09:05 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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t;>>>>normalize
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to 10.)
>>>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power
>>
>>users.
>>
>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>mainly
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and
>>
>>such.
>>
>>>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>>>levels
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back
>>
>>through
>>
>>>>>all
>>>>>
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel
>>
>>fader
>>
>>>>>>>>individually.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>>>>
>>>>meaning
>>>>
>>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>>>>
>>>>Another
>>>>
>>>>>>>>words,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
>>>
>>>them
>>>
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
>>
>>same
>>
>>>>>>time
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be
>>
>>effected
>>
>>>>>by
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
>>
>>reason.
>>
>>>>>>>>There
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't
>>
>>figured
>>
>>>>>it
>>>>>
>>>>>>>out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into
>
> that
>
>>>>>>learning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>>>>
>>>>recording,
>>>>
>>>>>>>>mixing....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16 I/Os
for ?
LaMont wrote:
> Hey guys,
>
> I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with assessments
> on Pro Tools sound quality.
>
> First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release Gospel
> Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and ITB
> (in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>
> At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's elequent
> editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain in
> !@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those same
> mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30 tracks,
> things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost or
> they don't sit right.
>
> However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay intacked,
> and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>
> Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in discussions
> about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not. Opinions
> varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it was
> to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
> RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
> as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
> Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>
> P.S
> Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit floating
> point mixer..
>
> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>>Yukkk,
>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and I
>
>
>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>
> in
>
>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from the
>
>
>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the full
>
>
>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled), it
>
>
>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>
>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with one.
>
> At
>
>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>
>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>
> I'm
>
>>>considering switching to protools.
>>>
>>>jef
>>>
>>>DJ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>
>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel has,
>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these channels
>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>>>feeling
>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems seem
>
> to
>
>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>Cujo,
Re your original question:
"The automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I could type in values.
For instance on bringing an entire track with automation up by .5 db."
You can--first select the automation points you want moved (on a single track
or multiple tracks) and under "Functions" menu, it's "Change Value..." (command-E
shortcut on a Mac)
You can move values up or down (entering negative value lowers volume) by
as little as .1 db
dale
"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>Thanks EK, I know about all of that but I was talking about when you select
>a whole tracks fader automation and want to put it up say .2 db sometimes
>it will only go up .5 or so. The shift drag thinkg does not seem to work
>for me at least.
>
>
>EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>>Hey Cujo
>>
>>You *can* "shift" to get smaller values when moving the automation
>>points. Also, if you click on the track number in the editor, all of
>>that tracks auto points turn red allowing you to move them all at
>>once. Further, you can "shift select" additional tracks... all 16 of
>>them actually, and move the whole shebang up or down.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>cujo wrote:
>>> The automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I could type in values.
>>> For instance on bringing an entire track with automation up by .5 db.
>>> Also, the shift/ fader for .1 db tweaks trick would be nice in the automation
>>> editor,
>>> Check it out though
>>>
>>> "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
everytime
>>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
>>>>out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using
my
>>>
>>> Paris
>>>
>>>>since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
into
>>>>all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
>>>>Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you use
>>>
>>> Paris
>>>
>>>>for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
much
>>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
>and
>>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
>>>>But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>files/channels
>>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try the
>>>
>>> normalize
>>>
>>>>funtion... ~ Ed
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>>>>
>>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet either,
>>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of Paris.
>>>>>But its on my list.
>>>>>Edna
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
>unsure
>>>>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
ago...
>>>>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster some
>>>>>
>>>>>older
>>>>>
>>>>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>adjust
>>>>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up
>or
&g
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62277 is a reply to message #62263] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 10:34 |
Dale
Messages: 77
Registered: September 2005
|
Member |
|
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>> First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
Gospel
>> Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
ITB
>> (in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>>
>> At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's elequent
>> editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
in
>> !@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
same
>> mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
tracks,
>> things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
or
>> they don't sit right.
>>
>> However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay intacked,
>> and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>>
>> Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in discussions
>> about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not. Opinions
>> varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it
was
>> to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>> RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
>> as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
>> Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>>
>> P.S
>> Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
floating
>> point mixer..
>>
>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>>Yukkk,
>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
I
>>
>>
>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>>
>> in
>>
>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
the
>>
>>
>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
full
>>
>>
>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
it
>>
>>
>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>--
>>>Martin Harrington
>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>
>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with one.
>>
>> At
>>
>>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>
>>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>>
>> I'm
>>
>>>>considering switching to protools.
>>>>
>>>>jef
>>>>
>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel has,
>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these channels
>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>>>>feeling
>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems seem
>>
>> to
>>
>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Ed, to do the normalize thing, you first have to move 1 fader all the way
up to 10 (assuming you want to normalize down)it's best to use an empty channel
for this. Then, under normalize, enter the amount you want that fader to
go to. example, if yo want the mix 3 db down, enter 7. I guarantee it will
work.
You need to do this for each submix.
Rod
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>
>Well, it doesn't work for me. Imagine a song with faders currently all
over
>the place for adjustment. Most are below the zero. When I select "Normalize"
>from the function menu in the Mixer, it asks for the Db level (with a zero
>default). I experimented on one song and I put in a -3.0. Once I hit return,
>ALL my faders did move.. but they moved way UP! So that function in Paris
>3.0 is not what I want. I was wanting a way to physically move one fader
>and the rest of the faders follow suit. I thought there was a feature in
>Paris to do that, but I guess not. Thanks for you help tho.....
>
>
>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>Normalize Mix is the correct function. The Maximum DB level is what you
>>will set to move the faders - this is the value your highest level fader
>>will be increased to, and this amount of increase will be the amount all
>>faders are changed by. As an experiment, set all your faders a 0 db.
Now,
>>lets say you would like to raise the entire mix by 5 db. Select Normalize
>>Mix and enter 5db for the maximum db level. Now all your faders will move
>>up to 5db. If this worked for you, then take one of your actual mixes
you
>>would like to increase. Lets say you want to move the faders all up by
>3 db
>>and they are all at different levels. Find the fader with the highest
level
>>(make sure your unused faders are below this value). Lets say it is at
>2db.
>>Now select Normalize Mix and set the maximum db gain at 5db (its 2db level
>+
>>your 3d increase). Now this fader moves up 3db to reach the max 5db value
>>you chose. At the same time the other faders will move up 3db as well.
>>
>>If you wanted to lower the levels, just set the maximum level of the highest
>>fader down by however many db you want. Lets say the 3db above was too
>>much and you would like to reduce it by a db. Same procedure, just set
>the
>>maxumum db level to 4db. This reduces your max level fader from 5db to
>>4db - a one db change for all faders.
>>
>>Hope this helps. I use it a lot and it works for well for me.
>>Edna
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9a83a$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Ummm... I am afraid your advice didn't work Edna. I failed to mention
>>that
>>> I am using Paris 3.0. I only see the "normalize mix" option in the
>>Functions
>>> section on the Mixer. When I select it, it wants me to adjust the total
>>> mix by maximun Db. I'll have to play with it I suppose. But I could
>have
>>> sworn there was a way to control all faders at the same time....
>>>
>>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >Well I just got into Paris a couple months ago. Its my first DAW.
I
>am
>>> >amazed at what all it can do. I did try out a Roland unit one time
but
>>> was
>>> >disappointed with the sound - dead, cold, etc. I am using Paris to
track
>>> >vocals and synth mainly for church related things, BG tracks, CDs, etc.
>>> >Also for writing my own stuff - I play kybds/sing. Used to play in
>>bands.
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62279 is a reply to message #62273] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 10:41 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
|
>
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel
>>fader
>>> >> >> >individually.
>>> >> >> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>>> >meaning
>>> >> >> >there
>>> >> >> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>>> >Another
>>> >> >> >words,
>>> >> >> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
>>> them
>>> >> >all
>>> >> >> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
>>same
>>> >> >time
>>> >> >> >> without doing them individually?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be
>>effected
>>> >> by
>>> >> >> >this.
>>> >> >> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
>>reason.
>>> >> >> >There
>>> >> >> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't
>>figured
>>> >> it
>>> >> >> out.
>>> >> >> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into
>that
>>> >> >learning
>>> >> >> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>>> >recording,
>>> >> >> >mixing....
>>> >> >> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>But how much money is it? And can it use VSTs ?
LaMont wrote:
> Hey John,
>
> I don't really know if LE has PDC, HD does. You can get 16 i/os in LE with
> the Follwoing Products:
>
> -Digi 002(Rack)or not
> -M-Audio Project Mix I/O
> -FireWire 1814
>
> All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you can add
> 8 channels of I/O of your choice.
> LaMont
>
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>>Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16 I/Os
>
>
>>for ?
>>
>>LaMont wrote:
>>
>>>Hey guys,
>>>
>>>I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with assessments
>>>on Pro Tools sound quality.
>>>
>>>First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
>
> Gospel
>
>>>Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
>
> ITB
>
>>>(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>>>
>>>At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's elequent
>>>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
>
> in
>
>>>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
>
> same
>
>>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
>
> tracks,
>
>>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
>
> or
>
>>>they don't sit right.
>>>
>>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay intacked,
>>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>>>
>>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in discussions
>>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not. Opinions
>>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it
>
> was
>
>>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
>
> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>
>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
>>>Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>>>
>>>P.S
>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
>
> floating
>
>>>point mixer..
>>>
>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Yukkk,
>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
>
> I
>
>>>
>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>
> the
>
>>>
>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>
> full
>
>>>
>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
>
> it
>
>>>
>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>>--
>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>
>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>
>
>>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with one.
>>>
>>>At
>>>
>>>
>>>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>>
>>>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>>>
>>>I'm
>>>
>>>
>>>>>considering switching to protools.
>>>>>
>>>>>jef
>>>>>
>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel has,
>>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these channels
>>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>
>
>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems seem
>>>
>>>to
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>I agree that the new HD systems sound good and I always thought that the LE
systems sounded better than the TDM systems. The PT environment has come a
long way, for sure. As for 32 bit float native systems, I've yet to do a
complete mix in Cubase SX. I still stream my tracks over a digital matrix
into Paris for summing. I'm hoping to take this to a new level in some
respects now that I've got a dual core processior system for my SX rig. Stay
tuned for the details.
Happy new year LaMont ;o)
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:43bab6aa$1@linux...
>
> Hey John,
>
> I don't really know if LE has PDC, HD does. You can get 16 i/os in LE with
> the Follwoing Products:
>
> -Digi 002(Rack)or not
> -M-Audio Project Mix I/O
> -FireWire 1814
>
> All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you can add
> 8 channels of I/O of your choice.
> LaMont
>
> John <no@no.com> wrote:
> >Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16 I/Os
>
> >for ?
> >
> >LaMont wrote:
> >> Hey guys,
> >>
> >> I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with
assessments
> >> on Pro Tools sound quality.
> >>
> >> First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
> Gospel
> >> Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
> ITB
> >> (in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
> >>
> >> At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's
elequent
> >> editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
> in
> >> !@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
> same
> >> mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
> tracks,
> >> things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
> or
> >> they don't sit right.
> >>
> >> However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
intacked,
> >> and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in
Paris..
> >>
> >> Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
discussions
> >> about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
Opinions
> >> varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it
> was
> >> to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
> >> RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in
SX/Nuendo..Where
> >> as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
> >> Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
> >>
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62283 is a reply to message #62273] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 10:36 |
Edna Sloan
Messages: 304
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
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target="_blank">1@linux...
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power
> >users.
> >> >> I
> >> >> >> >mainly
> >> >> >> >> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and
> >such.
> >> >> >> >Anyway,
> >> >> >> >> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically
liked
> >> the
> >> >> >> >levels
> >> >> >> >> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back
> >through
> >> >> all
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> >> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel
> >fader
> >> >> >> >individually.
> >> >> >> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active
(active
> >> >meaning
> >> >> >> >there
> >> >> >> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
> >> >Another
> >> >> >> >words,
> >> >> >> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to
bring
> >> them
> >> >> >all
> >> >> >> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
> >same
> >> >> >time
> >> >> >> >> without doing them individually?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be
> >effected
> >> >> by
> >> >> >> >this.
> >> >> >> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
> >reason.
> >> >> >> >There
> >> >> >> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't
> >figured
> >> >> it
> >> >> >> out.
> >> >> >> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into
> that
> >> >> >learning
> >> >> >> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
> >> >recording,
> >> >> >> >mixing....
> >> >> >> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
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John,
I've been a Control E user for years.
Tom
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43ba69b5@linux...
Editing automation is easy. It's also in the manual. Basically you=20
turn on the display data buttons for either volume, pan or mute and =
then=20
turn on the edit data button for the same. Then you pick the tool at=20
the top to select, move, draw lines, freeform draw, erase. You can =
use=20
interpolate or simplify to add more values or reduce the number of=20
values easily. Reply if this doesn't make sense. 10 minutes in the=20
manual and you'll have it. I'll repost my automation notes soon for=20
recording automation cuz the ones on my site are wrong at the last =
step.
John
Ed wrote:
> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause =
everytime
> I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't =
figured
> out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using =
my Paris
> since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got =
into
> all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I =
learn,
> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you =
use Paris
> for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out =
much
> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my =
hobby and
> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland =
system.
> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit =
single files/channels
> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try =
the normalize
> funtion... ~ Ed
>=20
>=20
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>=20
>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could =
just
>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>
>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet =
either,
>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of =
Paris.
>>But its on my list.
>>Edna
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>
>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was =
unsure
>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days =
ago...
>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster =
some
>>
>>older
>>
>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually =
adjust
>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>
>>>
>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up =
or
>>
>>down.
>>
>>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused =
channel
>>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This =
brings
>>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>
>>normalize
>>
>>>>to 10.)
>>>>Edna
>>>>
>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power =
users.
>=20
> I
>=20
>>>>mainly
>>>>
>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and =
such.
>>>>
>>>>Anyway,
>>>>
>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked =
the
>>>>
>>>>levels
>>>>
>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back =
through
>=20
> all
>=20
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel =
fader
>>>>
>>>>individually.
>>>>
>>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active =
meaning
>>>>
>>>>there
>>>>
>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? =
Another
>>>>
>>>>words,
>>>>
>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring =
them
>>
>>all
>>
>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the =
same
>>
>>time
>>
>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>
>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be =
effected
>=20
> by
>=20
>>>>this.
>>>>
>>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this =
reason.
>>>>
>>>>There
>>>>
>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't =
figured
>=20
> it
>=20
>>>out.
>>>
>>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>
>>learning
>>
>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic =
recording,
>>>>
>>>>mixing....
>>>>
>>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
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ng/mixing. I never got=20
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time I learn,<BR>> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... =
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play with=20
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go in=20
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get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland=20
system.<BR>> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it =
wasn't easy=20
to edit single files/channels<BR>> on the Roland. Ok.. I =
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funtion... ~=20
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wrote:<BR>> <BR>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to =
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that way. You could just<BR>>>normalize down/up from the =
highest=20
fader value in the mix.<BR>>><BR>>>I haven't gotten in to =
the=20
automation or the automation editor yet either,<BR>>>except to =
just make=20
sure the automation worked after my install of Paris.<BR>>>But =
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href=3D"mailto:askme@email.com">askme@email.com</A>> wrote in =
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3. (To bring them back up to where they=20
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were,<BR>>><BR>>>normalize<BR >>><BR>>>>>to =
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Tom Bruhl wrote:
> John,
> I've been a Control E user for years.
> Tom
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com <mailto:no@no.com>> wrote in message
> news:43ba69b5@linux...
> Editing automation is easy. It's also in the manual. Basically you
> turn on the display data buttons for either volume, pan or mute and
> then
> turn on the edit data button for the same. Then you pick the tool at
> the top to select, move, draw lines, freeform draw, erase. You can use
> interpolate or simplify to add more values or reduce the number of
> values easily. Reply if this doesn't make sense. 10 minutes in the
> manual and you'll have it. I'll repost my automation notes soon for
> recording automation cuz the ones on my site are wrong at the last step.
>
> John
>
> Ed wrote:
> > The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it
> cause everytime
> > I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't
> figured
> > out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been
> using my Paris
> > since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never
> got into
> > all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I
> learn,
> > Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do
> you use Paris
> > for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go
> out much
> > (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my
> hobby and
> > my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland
> system.
> > But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit
> single files/channels
> > on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll
> try the normalize
> > funtion... ~ Ed
> >
> >
> > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com <mailto:edna@texomaonline.com>> wrote:
> >
> >>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
> >>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
> >>
> >>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor
> yet either,
> >>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install
> of Paris.
> >>But its on my list.
> >>Edna
> >>
> >>"Ed" <askme@email.com <mailto:askme@email.com>> wrote in message
> news:43b9652e$1@linux...
> >>
> >>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but
> was unsure
> >>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few
> days ago...
> >>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to
> remix/remaster some
> >>
> >>older
> >>
> >>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to
> individually adjust
> >>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com <mailto:edna@texomaonline.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them
> up or
> >>
> >>down.
> >>
> >>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an
> unused channel
> >>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7.
> This brings
> >>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
> >>
> >>normalize
> >>
> >>>>to 10.)
> >>>>Edna
> >>>>
> >>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com <mailto:askme@email.com>> wrote in
> message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power
> users.
> >
> > I
> >
> >>>>mainly
> >>>>
> >>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
> >>>>
> >>>>Anyway,
> >>>>
> >>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically
> liked the
> >>>>
> >>>>levels
> >>>>
> >>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
> >
> > all
> >
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
> >>>>
> >>>>individually.
> >>>>
> >>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active
> (active meaning
> >>>>
> >>>>there
> >>>>
> >>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
> Another
> >>>>
> >>>>words,
> >>>>
> >>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to
> bring them
> >>
> >>all
> >>
> >>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
> same
> >>
> >>time
> >>
> >>>>>without doing them individually?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
> >
> > by
> >
> >>>>this.
> >>>>
> >>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
> reason.
> >>>>
> >>>>There
> >>>>
> >>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
> >
> > it
> >
> >>>out.
> >>>
> >>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
> >>
> >>learning
> >>
> >>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
> recording,
> >>>>
> >>>>mixing....
> >>>>
> >>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >I just learned Ctrl-R (Set Record Path, cuz it seems to love to have it
set regularly).
Tom Bruhl wrote:
> John,
> I've been a Control E user for years.
> Tom
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com <mailto:no@no.com>> wrote in message
> news:43ba69b5@linux...
> Editing automation is easy. It's also in the manual. Basically you
> turn on the display data buttons for either volume, pan or mute and
> then
> turn on the edit data button for the same. Then you pick the tool at
> the top to select, move, draw lines, freeform draw, erase. You can use
> interpolate or simplify to add more values or reduce the number of
> values easily. Reply if this doesn't make sense. 10 minutes in the
> manual and you'll have it. I'll repost my automation notes soon for
> recording automation cuz the ones on my site are wrong at the last step.
>
> John
>
> Ed wrote:
> > The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it
> cause everytime
> > I sit through m
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Tue, 03 January 2006 11:58 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
|
Senior Member |
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ixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't
> figured
> > out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been
> using my Paris
> > since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never
> got into
> > all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I
> learn,
> > Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do
> you use Paris
> > for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go
> out much
> > (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my
> hobby and
> > my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland
> system.
> > But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit
> single files/channels
> > on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll
> try the normalize
> > funtion... ~ Ed
> >
> >
> > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com <mailto:edna@texomaonline.com>> wrote:
> >
> >>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
> >>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
> >>
> >>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor
> yet either,
> >>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install
> of Paris.
> >>But its on my list.
> >>Edna
> >>
> >>"Ed" <askme@email.com <mailto:askme@email.com>> wrote in message
> news:43b9652e$1@linux...
> >>
> >>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but
> was unsure
> >>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few
> days ago...
> >>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to
> remix/remaster some
> >>
> >>older
> >>
> >>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to
> individually adjust
> >>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com <mailto:edna@texomaonline.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them
> up or
> >>
> >>down.
> >>
> >>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an
> unused channel
> >>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7.
> This brings
> >>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
> >>
> >>normalize
> >>
> >>>>to 10.)
> >>>>Edna
> >>>>
> >>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com <mailto:askme@email.com>> wrote in
> message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power
> users.
> >
> > I
> >
> >>>>mainly
> >>>>
> >>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
> >>>>
> >>>>Anyway,
> >>>>
> >>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically
> liked the
> >>>>
> >>>>levels
> >>>>
> >>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
> >
> > all
> >
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
> >>>>
> >>>>individually.
> >>>>
> >>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active
> (active meaning
> >>>>
> >>>>there
> >>>>
> >>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
> Another
> >>>>
> >>>>words,
> >>>>
> >>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to
> bring them
> >>
> >>all
> >>
> >>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
> same
> >>
> >>time
> >>
> >>>>>without doing them individually?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
> >
> > by
> >
> >>>>this.
> >>>>
> >>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
> reason.
> >>>>
> >>>>There
> >>>>
> >>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
> >
> > it
> >
> >>>out.
> >>>
> >>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
> >>
> >>learning
> >>
> >>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
> recording,
> >>>>
> >>>>mixing....
> >>>>
> >>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >Hello
I have a 2 EDS card Paris System and a Mec. with no extra cards in it
running on a Macintosh
I would like to know if it is possible to route Channel one to the Digital
out
and send it to my other computer, process it and send back to the Digital
in and route it back into channel one
if not how do I get any channel routed to an external device and back into
PARIS
Thanks
CliffordYes, all Digi and M-Audio products can be used in vst applictions.
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>But how much money is it? And can it use VSTs ?
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Hey John,
>>
>> I don't really know if LE has PDC, HD does. You can get 16 i/os in LE
with
>> the Follwoing Products:
>>
>> -Digi 002(Rack)or not
>> -M-Audio Project Mix I/O
>> -FireWire 1814
>>
>> All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you can
add
>> 8 channels of I/O of your choice.
>> LaMont
>>
>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
&g
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62286 is a reply to message #62284] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 11:58 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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t;>>Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16 I/Os
>>
>>
>>>for ?
>>>
>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>>I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with assessments
>>>>on Pro Tools sound quality.
>>>>
>>>>First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
>>
>> Gospel
>>
>>>>Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
>>
>> ITB
>>
>>>>(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>>>>
>>>>At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's elequent
>>>>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
>>
>> in
>>
>>>>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
>>
>> same
>>
>>>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
>>
>> tracks,
>>
>>>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
>>
>> or
>>
>>>>they don't sit right.
>>>>
>>>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay intacked,
>>>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>>>>
>>>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in discussions
>>>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not. Opinions
>>>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult
it
>>
>> was
>>
>>>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
>>
>> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>>
>>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
>>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
>>>>Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>>>>
>>>>P.S
>>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
>>
>> floating
>>
>>>>point mixer..
>>>>
>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Yukkk,
>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
>>
>> I
>>
>>>>
>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>
>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>>
>> full
>>
>>>>
>>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
>>
>> it
>>
>>>>
>>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>>>--
>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>
>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>
>>
>>>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
one.
>>>>
>>>>At
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>>>>
>>>>I'm
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>considering switching to protools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jef
>>>>>>
>>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel
has,
>>>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these channels
>>>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>
>>
>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems
seem
>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>Hey DJ(and family)!!
Happy New Year as well...
My findings are real world mixing situations. I'm not saying that you can't
get a great mix on SX/Nuendo, rather, it's just a lot of massaging here and
there. thus making the mixing experience painful. Unlike our beloved Paris
and Pro-Tools where just bringing up the faders and paning sounds like a
prety good mix. That's all :)
When Digi purchased M-Audio, that was monumental. They covered evry base
with that purchase. They can play in the SX, Logic, Sonar world and still
enabling the M-audio customer access to Pro-Tools LE (M-Powered)..
Take care,
LaMont
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I agree that the new HD systems sound good and I always thought that the
LE
>systems sounded better than the TDM systems. The PT environment has come
a
>long way, for sure. As for 32 bit float native systems, I've yet to do a
>complete mix in Cubase SX. I still stream my tracks over a digital matrix
>into Paris for summing. I'm hoping to take this to a new level in some
>respects now that I've got a dual core processior system for my SX rig.
Stay
>tuned for the details.
>
>Happy new year LaMont ;o)
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote in message news:43bab6aa$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey John,
>>
>> I don't really know if LE has PDC, HD does. You can get 16 i/os in LE
with
>> the Follwoing Products:
>>
>> -Digi 002(Rack)or not
>> -M-Audio Project Mix I/O
>> -FireWire 1814
>>
>> All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you can
add
>> 8 c
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62290 is a reply to message #62286] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 13:11 |
Tom Bruhl
Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007
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>>>>
> >>>>mixing....
> >>>>
> >>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In the Automation Editor select =
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gain changed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hit 'Control e' and a dialog will ask =
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<DIV>"John" <<A href=3D"mailto:no@no.com">no@no.com</A>> wrote =
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<A href=3D"news:43bad80b@linux">news:43bad80b@linux</A>...</DIV>I just =
learned=20
Ctrl-R (Set Record Path, cuz it seems to love to have it <BR>set =
regularly).<BR><BR>Tom Bruhl wrote:<BR>> John,<BR>> I've been a =
Control=20
E user for years.<BR>> Tom<BR>> <BR>>=20
<BR>> "John" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:no@no.com">no@no.com</A> <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:no@no.com">mailto:no@no.com</A>>> wrote in=20
message<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:43ba69b5@linux">news:43ba69b5@linux</A>...<BR>> &nbs=
p; =20
Editing automation is easy. It's also in the manual. =
Basically=20
you<BR>> turn on the display data buttons =
for=20
either volume, pan or mute and<BR>> =20
then<BR>> turn on the edit data button for =
the=20
same. Then you pick the tool at<BR>> =
the top=20
to select, move, draw lines, freeform draw, erase. You can=20
use<BR>> interpolate or simplify to add =
more values=20
or reduce the number of<BR>> values =
easily. =20
Reply if this doesn't make sense. 10 minutes in=20
the<BR>> manual and you'll have it. =
I'll=20
repost my automation notes soon for<BR>> =
recording=20
automation cuz the ones on my site are wrong at the last step.<BR>> =
<BR>> John<BR>> =
<BR>> =20
Ed wrote:<BR>> > The automation is =
a great=20
feature, but I too stay away from it<BR>> =
cause=20
everytime<BR>> > I sit through =
mixing.. I=20
end up changing things... and I =
haven't<BR>> =20
figured<BR>> > out how to "edit" =
the=20
automation either. Funny thing.. I =
been<BR>> =20
using my Paris<BR>> > since 2001 =
and I=20
just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I=20
never<BR>> got=20
into<BR>> > all the features... =
but it's=20
on my list too.. lol. By the time =
I<BR>> =20
learn,<BR>> > Paris will be =
obsolete. Oh!=20
it IS obsolete... lol. So, what =
do<BR>> you=20
use Paris<BR>> > for? You =
got a=20
band, or just play with it, like me? I don't=20
go<BR>> out=20
much<BR>> > (not too many places =
to go in=20
southern MD.. lol.) So this is =
my<BR>> hobby=20
and<BR>> > my little =
get-away. It's=20
been fun. I started out with a =
Roland<BR>> =20
system.<BR>> > But I knew I =
had to=20
move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to =
edit<BR>> =20
single files/channels<BR>> > on =
the=20
Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and=20
I'll<BR>> try the=20
normalize<BR>> > funtion... =
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Ed<BR> > =2 0
><BR> > =2 0
><BR>> > "Edna" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com">edna@texomaonline.com</A> <<A =
=
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;>=20
wrote:<BR> > =2 0
><BR>> >>You bet! =
Actually,=20
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just<BR>> >>normalize down/up =
from the=20
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>><BR>> >>I haven't =
gotten in to=20
the automation or the automation =
editor<BR>> yet=20
either,<BR>> >>except to just =
make sure=20
the automation worked after my install<BR>> =
of=20
Paris.<BR>> >>But its on my=20
list.<BR> > =2 0
>>Edna<BR> > =2 0
>><BR>> >>"Ed" <<A=20
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wrote in=20
message<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"news:43b9652e$1@linux">news:43b9652e$1@linux</A>...<BR>> =
=20
>><BR>> >>>Thanks =
Edna... I'll=20
try that. I seen the normalize button,=20
but<BR>> was=20
unsure<BR>> >>>how it=20
operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a=20
few<BR>> days=20
ago...<BR>> >>>would have =
saved me=20
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>>older<BR> > =2 0
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and=20
songs.. and it was very time consuming =
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>>>each=20
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:)<BR> > =2 0
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>>><BR>> >>>"Edna" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:edna@texomaonline.com">edna@texomaonline.com</A> <<A =
=
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;>=20
wrote:<BR> > =2 0
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>>>>Yes, you=20
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them<BR>> up=20
or<BR> > =2 0
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<BR>> This=20
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>>>>"Ed"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:askme@email.com">askme@email.com</A> <<A=20
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wrote=20
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=20
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>>>>>Hi=20
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power<BR>> =20
users.<BR> > =2 0
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>>>>levels<BR> > =2 0
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all<BR> > =2 0
><BR> > =2 0
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>>>>>other=20
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fader<BR> > =2 0
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>>all<BR> > =2 0
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SPDIF Rendering
--------------------------
Patchbay workaround for bouncing tracks and rendering plugins
Tired of zeroing/clearing a mix to bounce a track or tracks to a new
file? Or wish you could render native plugins while listening and
adjusting in context. No problem.
Open the Patch Bay. Clear all your SPDIF I/O connections. Physically (as
in, on the back of your Paris 442 or MEC) loop your Paris SPDIF in to
your Paris SPDIF out with a short cable. Go back to the Patch Bay.
In the Patch Bay, connect the "Mixer Insert" SEND of the source channel
for the bounce to the left SPDIF output (dL) on your 442 or MEC. Connect
the SPDIF left input (dL) back to the same channel's "Mixer Insert"
Return to complete the loop. Now connect the same left SPDIF output to
the "Submixer Input" of the Destination channel you want to
bounce/record to. Select "External" on the EDS insert on the source channel.
Enable Record on the Destination channel. That's it. Record away. You
can use your mixer normally while you bounce with no ill effect. And in
a case of good fortune, since the EDS inserts are after the native
inserts, any active plugins will be printed while bouncing. Great for
rendering AutoTune or various other plugin settings for different song
sections. For the price of time and disk space, you have unlimited plugins.
Example. You have a track on track 10 and you want to render this to
track 11. In the Patchbay:
Mixer-A channel 11 connects to MEC-Master-A Digital In Left
MEC-Master-A Digital In Left connects to Mixer-A-Insert Return10
MEC-Master-A Digital Out Left connects to Mixer-A-Insert Send10
Select "External" on the EDS insert on the source channel.
Clifford Coulter wrote:
> Hello
>
> I have a 2 EDS card Paris System and a Mec. with no extra cards in it
> running on a Macintosh
> I would like to know if it is possible to route Channel one to the Digital
> out
> and send it to my other computer, process it and send back to the Digital
> in and route it back into channel one
>
> if not how do I get any channel routed to an external device and back into
> PARIS
>
> Thanks
>
> Clifford
>I did the DAW summing CD thingy from what's his name in Nashville and could
find basically zero difference in anything. Maybe I'm deaf, but if you were
to double blind me I don't think I could pick out individual mixes consistently.
Since that was (if I recall) a 24 track mix that was big and loud and R&B/rock/gospel
I would think that would argue against this idea. However, it's a little
like the audiophile world sometimes where when the tests seem to disprove
personal experience the test is faulted instead of the experience. That's
fine, ears are very fine instruments and some are just better than others.
That said, I now work a good bit of my time in the finance world where fortunes
are made and lost according to the certitude of people in their experiences
or mathmatical models. Over time this has lead me to believe more in emperical
results than my experience. So if I do my own blind tests with the Nashville
CD and can't generate statistically significant data that DAWs sound different
then *I* will believe they sound the same. This could mean a flawed test
or flawed ears but that's my belief until someone can present me with more
convincing data.
But hey, that's just me. I've also done mixes of 30+ tracks in SX and think
they sound quite nice.
TCB
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Hey guys,
>
>I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with assessments
>on Pro Tools sound quality.
>
>First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
Gospel
>Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and ITB
>(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>
>At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's elequent
>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
in
>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
same
>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30 tracks,
>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost or
>they don't sit right.
>
>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay intacked,
>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>
>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in discussions
>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not. Opinions
>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it
was
>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
>Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>
>P.S
>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
floating
>point mixer..
>
>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>Yukkk,
>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
I
>
>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>in
>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
the
>
>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
full
>
>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled), it
>
>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>--
>>Martin Harrington
>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>> I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with one.
>At
>>> what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>
>>> If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>I'm
>>> considering switching to protools.
>>>
>>> jef
>>>
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>
>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel has,
>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these channels
>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>>>feeling
>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems seem
>to
>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
>I've got that CD too (I bought all of the 3Daudio CD's a while back.). On
the summing CD I accurately picked the Paris mix, first listen. I was
surprised by this. Then,while later I got a friend to shuffle them around
and did another listening and I could discern differences, but couldn't
really say that one sounded so much better than the others. The AD
conversion CD that he did is similar. It's surprising for all of the hype
about this, how little difference there really is. There is more diversity
in the preamp CD, but not as much as you would suspect. The microphone
comparison CD is really where the rubber meets the road. This is where the
majority of the *color* in a recording comes from and this CD really serve
that up on a sliver platter.
;o)
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43baf061$1@linux...
>
> I did the DAW summing CD thingy from what's his name in Nashville and
could
> find basically zero difference in anything. Maybe I'm deaf, but if you
were
> to double blind me I don't think I could pick out individual mixes
consistently.
> Since that was (if I recall) a 24 track mix that was big and loud and
R&B/rock/gospel
> I would think that would argue against this idea. However, it's a little
> like the audiophile world sometimes where when the tests se
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62294 is a reply to message #62290] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 13:52 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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Senior Member |
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> >>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same
> time?
> > Another
> > >>>>
> > >>>>words,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to
> > bring them
> > >>
> > >>all
> > >>
> > >>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down
> at the
> > same
> > >>
> > >>time
> > >>
> > >>>>>without doing them individually?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't
> be effected
> > >
> > > by
> > >
> > >>>>this.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of
> this
> > reason.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>There
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I
> haven't figured
> > >
> > > it
> > >
> > >>>out.
> > >>>
> > >>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve
> into that
> > >>
> > >>learning
> > >>
> > >>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
> > recording,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>mixing....
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > >Good Post Thad..
My point was not to slam SX/Nuendo,but to say that:
-Pro Toools Sounds good if not great.
-(To Me) I have to work harder to get good mixes out of SX/Nuendo. The mixes
end up sound ing great, but the work involved is not as easy(To me) get maximum
results.
Take care
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I did the DAW summing CD thingy from what's his name in Nashville and could
>find basically zero difference in anything. Maybe I'm deaf, but if you were
>to double blind me I don't think I could pick out individual mixes consistently.
>Since that was (if I recall) a 24 track mix that was big and loud and R&B/rock/gospel
>I would think that would argue against this idea. However, it's a little
>like the audiophile world sometimes where when the tests seem to disprove
>personal experience the test is faulted instead of the experience. That's
>fine, ears are very fine instruments and some are just better than others.
>
>
>That said, I now work a good bit of my time in the finance world where fortunes
>are made and lost according to the certitude of people in their experiences
>or mathmatical models. Over time this has lead me to believe more in emperical
>results than my experience. So if I do my own blind tests with the Nashville
>CD and can't generate statistically significant data that DAWs sound different
>then *I* will believe they sound the same. This could mean a flawed test
>or flawed ears but that's my belief until someone can present me with more
>convincing data.
>
>But hey, that's just me. I've also done mixes of 30+ tracks in SX and think
>they sound quite nice.
>
>TCB
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey guys,
>>
>>I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with assessments
>>on Pro Tools sound quality.
>>
>>First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
>Gospel
>>Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and ITB
>>(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>>
>>At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's elequent
>>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
>in
>>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
>same
>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30 tracks,
>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost or
>>they don't sit right.
>>
>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay intacked,
>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>>
>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in discussions
>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not. Opinions
>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it
>was
>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
>converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
>>Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>>
>>P.S
>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
>floating
>>point mixer..
>>
>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>Yukkk,
>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
>I
>>
>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>>in
>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>the
>>
>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>full
>>
>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
it
>>
>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>--
>>>Martin Harrington
>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>
>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>
>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>> I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with one.
>>At
>>>> what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>
>>>> If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>>I'm
>>>> considering switching to protools.
>>>>
>>>> jef
>>>>
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel has,
>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these channels
>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>>>>feeling
>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems seem
>>to
>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>Those Cd's from Lynn Fuston.
Since I work on nearly all DAW platforms, I can tell a Sonar mix. because
it has that very nice generic (non coloring) sound.
Logic-can't tell, DP, Can't tell, SX-I can Spot, PT-Yes, Paris (well Of Course)
and so can my producer friends. They can spot the a PAris mix right away.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I've got that CD too (I bought all of the 3Daudio CD's a while back.). On
>the summing CD I accurately picked the Paris mix, first listen. I was
>surprised by this. Then,while later I got a friend to shuffle them around
>and did another listening and I could discern differences, but couldn't
>really say that one sounded so much better than the others. The AD
>conversion CD that he did is similar. It's surprising for all of the hype
>about this, how little difference there really is. There is more diversity
>in the preamp CD, but not as much as you would suspect. The microphone
>comparison CD is really where the rubber meets the road. This is where the
>majority of the *color* in a recording comes from and this CD really serve
>that up on a sliver platter.
>
>;o)
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43baf061$1@linux...
>>
>> I did the DAW summing CD thingy from what's his name in Nashville and
>could
>> find basically zero difference in anything. Maybe I'm deaf, but if you
>were
>> to double blind me I don't think I could pick out individual mixes
>consistently.
>> Since that was (if I recall) a 24 track mix that was big and loud and
>R&B/rock/gospel
>> I would think that would argue against this idea. However, it's a little
>> like the audiophile world sometimes where when the tests seem to disprove
>> personal experience the test is faulted instead of the experience. That's
>> fine, ears are very fine instruments and some are just better than others.
>>
>>
>> That said, I now work a good bit of my time in the finance world where
>fortunes
>> are made and lost according to the certitude of people in their
>experiences
>> or mathmatical models. Over time this has lead me to believe more in
>emperical
>> results than my experience. So if I do my own blind tests with the
>Nashville
>> CD and can't generate statistically significant data that DAWs sound
>different
>> then *I* will believe they sound the same. This could mean a flawed test
>> or flawed ears but that's my belief until someone can present me with
more
>
>> convincing data.
>>
>> But hey, that's just me. I've also done mixes o
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62298 is a reply to message #62277] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 16:07 |
cujo
Messages: 285
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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gt;>
>>>>>>>>mixing....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>Why not group all the faders, make one a master and then move that?
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43baa442$1@linux...
>
> Well, it doesn't work for me. Imagine a song with faders currently all
> over
> the place for adjustment. Most are below the zero. When I select
> "Normalize"
> from the function menu in the Mixer, it asks for the Db level (with a zero
> default). I experimented on one song and I put in a -3.0. Once I hit
> return,
> ALL my faders did move.. but they moved way UP! So that function in Paris
> 3.0 is not what I want. I was wanting a way to physically move one fader
> and the rest of the faders follow suit. I thought there was a feature in
> Paris to do that, but I guess not. Thanks for you help tho.....
>
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>Normalize Mix is the correct function. The Maximum DB level is what you
>>will set to move the faders - this is the value your highest level fader
>>will be increased to, and this amount of increase will be the amount all
>>faders are changed by. As an experiment, set all your faders a 0 db.
>>Now,
>>lets say you would like to raise the entire mix by 5 db. Select
>>Normalize
>>Mix and enter 5db for the maximum db level. Now all your faders will move
>>up to 5db. If this worked for you, then take one of your actual mixes you
>>would like to increase. Lets say you want to move the faders all up by
> 3 db
>>and they are all at different levels. Find the fader with the highest
>>level
>>(make sure your unused faders are below this value). Lets say it is at
> 2db.
>>Now select Normalize Mix and set the maximum db gain at 5db (its 2db level
> +
>>your 3d increase). Now this fader moves up 3db to reach the max 5db value
>>you chose. At the same time the other faders will move up 3db as well.
>>
>>If you wanted to lower the levels, just set the maximum level of the
>>highest
>>fader down by however many db you want. Lets say the 3db above was too
>>much and you would like to reduce it by a db. Same procedure, just set
> the
>>maxumum db level to 4db. This reduces your max level fader from 5db to
>>4db - a one db change for all faders.
>>
>>Hope this helps. I use it a lot and it works for well for me.
>>Edna
>>
>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9a83a$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Ummm... I am afraid your advice didn't work Edna. I failed to mention
>>that
>>> I am using Paris 3.0. I only see the "normalize mix" option in the
>>Functions
>>> section on the Mixer. When I select it, it wants me to adjust the total
>>> mix by maximun Db. I'll have to play with it I suppose. But I could
> have
>>> sworn there was a way to control all faders at the same time....
>>>
>>> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >Well I just got into Paris a couple months ago. Its my first DAW. I
> am
>>> >amazed at what all it can do. I did try out a Roland unit one time but
>>> was
>>> >disappointed with the sound - dead, cold, etc. I am using Paris to
>>> >track
>>> >vocals and synth mainly for church related things, BG tracks, CDs, etc.
>>> >Also for writing my own stuff - I play kybds/sing. Used to play in
>>bands.
>>> >I got Paris for the sound. I prefer analog, and Paris was touted as
> the
>>> >nearest to that. It certainly wipes the floor with the Roland, IMHO.
> And
>>> I
>>> >love the editing features. At the moment I am experimenting with
>>mixdowns,
>>> >trying to get the exported stereo files to sound as good as the
>>> >original
>>> mix
>>> >and as loud as comm cds - when I bring the stereo wav back to the
>>> >project
>>> >and a/b with the original, it doesn't sound quite as open and clear.
>>> >Edna
>>> > "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>>> >everytime
>>> >> I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't
>>figured
>>> >> out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using
> my
>>> >Paris
>>> >> since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
>>into
>>> >> all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I
>>learn,
>>> >> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you
> use
>>> >Paris
>>> >> for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
>>much
>>> >> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my
>>> >> hobby
>>> and
>>> >> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland
>>system.
>>> >> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit
>>> >> single
>>> >files/channels
>>> >> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try
> the
>>> >normalize
>>> >> funtion... ~ Ed
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >> >You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could
>>> >> >just
>>> >> >normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>>> >either,
>>> >> >except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
>>Paris.
>>> >> >But its on my list.
>>> >> >Edna
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but
> was
>>> >unsure
>>> >> >> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>>> >ago...
>>> >> >> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster
>>some
>>> >> >older
>>> >> >> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to
>>> >> >> individually
>>> >adjust
>>> >> >> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them
> up
>>> or
>>> >> >down.
>>> >> >> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>>> >channel
>>> >> >> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>>> >brings
>>> >> >> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>> >> >normalize
>>> >> >> >to 10.)
>>> >> >> >Edna
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power
>>users.
>>> >> I
>>> >> >> >mainly
>>> >> >> >> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and
>>such.
>>> >> >> >Anyway,
>>> >> >> >> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically
>>> >> >> >> liked
>>> the
>>> >> >> >levels<
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| Re: Question on faders [message #62299 is a reply to message #62273] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 15:24 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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br />
>>> >> >> >> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back
>>through
>>> >> all
>>> >> >> the
>>> >> >> >> other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel
>>fader
>>> >> >> >individually.
>>> >> >> >> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
>>> >meaning
>>> >> >> >there
>>> >> >> >> is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time?
>>> >Another
>>> >> >> >words,
>>> >> >> >> I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
>>> them
>>> >> >all
>>> >> >> >> down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the
>>same
>>> >> >time
>>> >> >> >> without doing them individually?
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be
>>effected
>>> >> by
>>> >> >> >this.
>>> >> >> >> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this
>>reason.
>>> >> >> >There
>>> >> >> >> may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't
>>figured
>>> >> it
>>> >> >> out.
>>> >> >> >> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into
> that
>>> >> >learning
>>> >> >> >> process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic
>>> >recording,
>>> >> >> >mixing....
>>> >> >> >> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>John,Look on the B&H site,
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=search& ;Q=&b=1315&shs=&ci=9576&ac=&Submit.x=17& amp;Submit.y=12
They have all the cards you'll need plus all the software.
Buying any M-Audio product means you can buy PT M-Powered for around $300
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43babdce@linux...
> But how much money is it? And can it use VSTs ?
>
> LaMont wrote:
>> Hey John,
>>
>> I don't really know if LE has PDC, HD does. You can get 16 i/os in LE
>> with
>> the Follwoing Products:
>>
>> -Digi 002(Rack)or not
>> -M-Audio Project Mix I/O
>> -FireWire 1814
>>
>> All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you can add
>> 8 channels of I/O of your choice.
>> LaMont
>>
>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16 I/Os
>>
>>
>>>for ?
>>>
>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>>I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with
>>>>assessments
>>>>on Pro Tools sound quality.
>>>>
>>>>First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
>>
>> Gospel
>>
>>>>Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
>>
>> ITB
>>
>>>>(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>>>>
>>>>At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's
>>>>elequent
>>>>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
>>
>> in
>>
>>>>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
>>
>> same
>>
>>>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
>>
>> tracks,
>>
>>>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
>>
>> or
>>
>>>>they don't sit right.
>>>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
>>>>intacked,
>>>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>>>>
>>>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
>>>>discussions
>>>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
>>>>Opinions
>>>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it
>>
>> was
>>
>>>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
>>
>> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>>
>>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
>>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not.. Hey,Just one Engineer's
>>>>opinon.
>>>>P.S
>>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
>>
>> floating
>>
>>>>point mixer..
>>>>
>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Yukkk,
>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
>>
>> I
>>
>>>>
>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
>>>>>tiresome
>>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>>
>> the
>>
>>>>
>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>>
>> full
>>
>>>>
>>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
>>
>> it
>>
>>>>
>>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>>>--
>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>
>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>
>>
>>>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
>>>>>>one.
>>>>
>>>>At
>>>>
>>>>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>>>>
>>>>I'm
>>>>
>>>>>>considering switching to protools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jef
>>>>>>
>>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel
>>>>>>>has,
>>>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these
>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>
>>
>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems
>>>>>>>seem
>>>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>Is the Paris mix the one that requires a challenge response to start
playing the song. hehe
LaMont wrote:
> Those Cd's from Lynn Fuston.
>
> Since I work on nearly all DAW platforms, I can tell a Sonar mix. because
> it has that very nice generic (non coloring) sound.
>
> Logic-can't tell, DP, Can't tell, SX-I can Spot, PT-Yes, Paris (well Of Course)
> and so can my producer friends. They can spot the a PAris mix right away.
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
>>I've got that CD too (I bought all of the 3Daudio CD's a while back.). On
>>the summing CD I accurately picked the Paris mix, first listen. I was
>>surprised by this. Then,while later I got a friend to shuffle them around
>>and did another listening and I could discern differences, but couldn't
>>really say that one sounded so much better than the others. The AD
>>conversion CD that he did is similar. It's surprising for all of the hype
>>about this, how little difference there really is. There is more diversity
>>in the preamp CD, but not as much as you would suspect. The microphone
>>comparison CD is really where the rubber meets the road. This is where the
>>majority of the *color* in a recording comes from and this CD really serve
>>that up on a sliver platter.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote in message news:43baf061$1@linux...
>>
>>>I did the
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