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Mon, 28 July 2008 09:07

jeremy luzier[1]

Messages: 18
Registered: March 2008

Junior Member

i mix in nuendo and send up to 16 stereo groups (sometimes) to paris to do
the summing.

i have a REFERENCE stereo group that also runs to paris.

i've been using the new paris buss compressor more lately. (thanks mike)

aside from getting a central station.... is there any way possible to hear
my reference group without going through paris' global master. i want to
hear my reference material without the buss compressor.

ie... i have the mix working in nuendo.... i want to a/b with my reference
so i solo the reference track in nuendo... but then i have to switch over to
paris and bypass the buss compressor.... yuck. i want instant a/b reference
without the distraction of switching screens, bypass, switch back, un-solo,
switch to paris again, undo bypass, switch back to nuendo.... YUCK YUCK
YUCK!

i don't think this is possible without a central station or external mixer
(adding color yuck!) or a/b box.

but some of you technical wizards might think of a way.

thanks.

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Re: genius needed [message #99714 is a reply to message #99711]

Mon, 28 July 2008 09:26

Tom Bruhl

Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007

Senior Member

Jeremy,

Simple if you don't use the Paris Master Comp until after the mix is
printed. Apply it afterward. If you are interacting with the comp during
mixdown then this won't work. This will also give a nice, less compressed
mix for mastering.

Now maybe some smart people will chime in.

Good luck,
Tom

"jeremy luzier" <none@comcast.net> wrote in message news:488def05@linux...
>i mix in nuendo and send up to 16 stereo groups (sometimes) to paris to do
>the summing.
>
> i have a REFERENCE stereo group that also runs to paris.
>
> i've been using the new paris buss compressor more lately. (thanks mike)
>
> aside from getting a central station.... is there any way possible to hear
> my reference group without going through paris' global master. i want to
> hear my reference material without the buss compressor.
>
> ie... i have the mix working in nuendo.... i want to a/b with my reference
> so i solo the reference track in nuendo... but then i have to switch over
> to paris and bypass the buss compressor.... yuck. i want instant a/b
> reference without the distraction of switching screens, bypass, switch
> back, un-solo, switch to paris again, undo bypass, switch back to
> nuendo.... YUCK YUCK YUCK!
>
> i don't think this is possible without a central station or external mixer
> (adding color yuck!) or a/b box.
>
> but some of you technical wizards might think of a way.
>
> thanks.
>
>
>

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Re: genius needed [message #99740 is a reply to message #99714]

Mon, 28 July 2008 18:13

jeremy luzier[1]

Messages: 18
Registered: March 2008

Junior Member

yeah i'm using it as i mix. semi- squashing it like a modern mix guy
should.... ;-((

actually... what is so freekin incredible about everything paris (including
mike buss com), unless you are just bat-shit insane you can't really crush
paris to death... it never sounds crushed... it doesn't get small.... it
doesn't distort in a digital way. maybe someday i'll get interviewed and be
like "yeah i heard that some big mix guy, lord-fungus or something, uses
some old dash machine in 16 bit which contributes to his 'sound'. i use
this old daw some damn keyboard company couldn't sell.. it runs on a pc and
it has a sound too... and it freekin rocks!"

;-))

back to the point... yeah i guess i need a central station. i have a mackie
1202 i could use but i'm to scared to monitor anything through that piece of
poo.

i'm re-mixing a song on the a/c chart for 'hot a/c' airplay.. (actually 2
songs). and i want to a/b stuff. plus i always reference other songs in
the same genre when i'm mixing anything.

maybe i'll post this one when i'm done for you cats to check out. its a
kinda pop/inspiration 6/8 tune.

jL

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Re: genius needed [message #99746 is a reply to message #99740]

Mon, 28 July 2008 20:31

Tom Bruhl

Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007

Senior Member

Jeremy,

I look forward to hearing your work.

You know you can reroute the L & R outs of Paris
Submix A master mixer to another pair of 24bit outs
and monitor off of that while printing the 2 bus with fx
to the hard drive.

Draw a couple of lines in the patchbay, patch a few cables
and get a Central Station. I wouldn't use a Central Station
personally but it will serve your purpose for multiple ins for
monitoring.

Lord Fungus Amongus

"jeremy luzier" <none@comcast.net> wrote in message news:488e6f33@linux...
> yeah i'm using it as i mix. semi- squashing it like a modern mix guy
> should.... ;-((
>
> actually... what is so freekin incredible about everything paris
> (including mike buss com), unless you are just bat-shit insane you can't
> really crush paris to death... it never sounds crushed... it doesn't get
> small.... it doesn't distort in a digital way. maybe someday i'll get
> interviewed and be like "yeah i heard that some big mix guy, lord-fungus
> or something, uses some old dash machine in 16 bit which contributes to
> his 'sound'. i use this old daw some damn keyboard company couldn't
> sell.. it runs on a pc and it has a sound too... and it freekin rocks!"
>
> ;-))
>
> back to the point... yeah i guess i need a central station. i have a
> mackie 1202 i could use but i'm to scared to monitor anything through that
> piece of poo.
>
> i'm re-mixing a song on the a/c chart for 'hot a/c' airplay.. (actually 2
> songs). and i want to a/b stuff. plus i always reference other songs in
> the same genre when i'm mixing anything.
>
> maybe i'll post this one when i'm done for you cats to check out. its a
> kinda pop/inspiration 6/8 tune.
>
> jL
>
>

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Re: genius needed [message #99747 is a reply to message #99746]

Mon, 28 July 2008 21:01

jeremy luzier[1]

Messages: 18
Registered: March 2008

Junior Member

no?

aren't they heralded as being super colorless?

"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:488e90a3@linux...
> Jeremy,
>
> I look forward to hearing your work.
>
> You know you can reroute the L & R outs of Paris
> Submix A master mixer to another pair of 24bit outs
> and monitor off of that while printing the 2 bus with fx
> to the hard drive.
>
> Draw a couple of lines in the patchbay, patch a few cables
> and get a Central Station. I wouldn't use a Central Station
> personally but it will serve your purpose for multiple ins for
> monitoring.
>
> Lord Fungus Amongus
>
>
> "jeremy luzier" <none@comcast.net> wrote in message news:488e6f33@linux...
>> yeah i'm using it as i mix. semi- squashing it like a modern mix guy
>> should.... ;-((
>>
>> actually... what is so freekin incredible about everything paris
>> (including mike buss com), unless you are just bat-shit insane you can't
>> really crush paris to death... it never sounds crushed... it doesn't get
>> small.... it doesn't distort in a digital way. maybe someday i'll get
>> interviewed and be like "yeah i heard that some big mix guy, lord-fungus
>> or something, uses some old dash machine in 16 bit which contributes to
>> his 'sound'. i use this old daw some damn keyboard company couldn't
>> sell.. it runs on a pc and it has a sound too... and it freekin rocks!"
>>
>> ;-))
>>
>> back to the point... yeah i guess i need a central station. i have a
>> mackie 1202 i could use but i'm to scared to monitor anything through
>> that piece of poo.
>>
>> i'm re-mixing a song on the a/c chart for 'hot a/c' airplay.. (actually 2
>> songs). and i want to a/b stuff. plus i always reference other songs in
>> the same genre when i'm mixing anything.
>>
>> maybe i'll post this one when i'm done for you cats to check out. its a
>> kinda pop/inspiration 6/8 tune.
>>
>> jL
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: genius needed [message #99752 is a reply to message #99747]

Tue, 29 July 2008 06:49

Tom Bruhl

Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007

Senior Member

Hey Jeremy,

Print to analog 24 out if that needs to be part of your sound and
SPDIF if not. It might darken it up a tad. I must have been asleep
when I typed that last night. The insert effects will still be part of
that signal unless...

you put an external in your first insert slot and route that to SPDIF or
analog outs for effectless printing of mix and apply effects in the
final three slots for processing to your onboard hard drive. You
will have to create a loop in the paris patchbay so the signal
gets back into the 2 bus for the final stage.

Tom

"jeremy luzier" <none@comcast.net> wrote in message news:488e9686@linux...
> no?
>
> aren't they heralded as being super colorless?
>
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:488e90a3@linux...
>> Jeremy,
>>
>> I look forward to hearing your work.
>>
>> You know you can reroute the L & R outs of Paris
>> Submix A master mixer to another pair of 24bit outs
>> and monitor off of that while printing the 2 bus with fx
>> to the hard drive.
>>
>> Draw a couple of lines in the patchbay, patch a few cables
>> and get a Central Station. I wouldn't use a Central Station
>> personally but it will serve your purpose for multiple ins for
>> monitoring.
>>
>> Lord Fungus Amongus
>>
>>
>> "jeremy luzier" <none@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:488e6f33@linux...
>>> yeah i'm using it as i mix. semi- squashing it like a modern mix guy
>>> should.... ;-((
>>>
>>> actually... what is so freekin incredible about everything paris
>>> (including mike buss com), unless you are just bat-shit insane you can't
>>> really crush paris to death... it never sounds crushed... it doesn't get
>>> small.... it doesn't distort in a digital way. maybe someday i'll get
>>> interviewed and be like "yeah i heard that some big mix guy, lord-fungus
>>> or something, uses some old dash machine in 16 bit which contributes to
>>> his 'sound'. i use this old daw some damn keyboard company couldn't
>>> sell.. it runs on a pc and it has a sound too... and it freekin rocks!"
>>>
>>> ;-))
>>>
>>> back to the point... yeah i guess i need a central station. i have a
>>> mackie 1202 i could use but i'm to scared to monitor anything through
>>> that piece of poo.
>>>
>>> i'm re-mixing a song on the a/c chart for 'hot a/c' airplay.. (actually
>>> 2 songs). and i want to a/b stuff. plus i always reference other songs
>>> in the same genre when i'm mixing anything.
>>>
>>> maybe i'll post this one when i'm done for you cats to check out. its a
>>> kinda pop/inspiration 6/8 tune.
>>>
>>> jL
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: genius needed [message #99786 is a reply to message #99752]

Wed, 30 July 2008 04:54

Sandy Tipping

Messages: 54
Registered: June 2007

Member

I would just use the solo buttons on the C16 for those channels. Solo
doesn't go through the master insert.

Put the reference material on its own tracks in an editor
group the faders (so you only need to grab one and they're linked)
leave the C16 in "solo" mode (instead of mute)

a/b by hitting solo and sliding up a fader to approx unity.

"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:488f2174@linux...
> Hey Jeremy,
>
> Print to analog 24 out if that needs to be part of your sound and
> SPDIF if not. It might darken it up a tad. I must have been asleep
> when I typed that last night. The insert effects will still be part of
> that signal unless...
>
> you put an external in your first insert slot and route that to SPDIF or
> analog outs for effectless printing of mix and apply effects in the
> final three slots for processing to your onboard hard drive. You
> will have to create a loop in the paris patchbay so the signal
> gets back into the 2 bus for the final stage.
>
> Tom
>
> "jeremy luzier" <none@comcast.net> wrote in message news:488e9686@linux...
>> no?
>>
>> aren't they heralded as being super colorless?
>>
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:488e90a3@linux...
>>> Jeremy,
>>>
>>> I look forward to hearing your work.
>>>
>>> You know you can reroute the L & R outs of Paris
>>> Submix A master mixer to another pair of 24bit outs
>>> and monitor off of that while printing the 2 bus with fx
>>> to the hard drive.
>>>
>>> Draw a couple of lines in the patchbay, patch a few cables
>>> and get a Central Station. I wouldn't use a Central Station
>>> personally but it will serve your purpose for multiple ins for
>>> monitoring.
>>>
>>> Lord Fungus Amongus
>>>
>>>
>>> "jeremy luzier" <none@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:488e6f33@linux...
>>>> yeah i'm using it as i mix. semi- squashing it like a modern mix guy
>>>> should.... ;-((
>>>>
>>>> actually... what is so freekin incredible about everything paris
>>>> (including mike buss com), unless you are just bat-shit insane you
>>>> can't really crush paris to death... it never sounds crushed... it
>>>> doesn't get small.... it doesn't distort in a digital way. maybe
>>>> someday i'll get interviewed and be like "yeah i heard that some big
>>>> mix guy, lord-fungus or something, uses some old dash machine in 16 bit
>>>> which contributes to his 'sound'. i use this old daw some damn
>>>> keyboard company couldn't sell.. it runs on a pc and it has a sound
>>>> too... and it freekin rocks!"
>>>>
>>>> ;-))
>>>>
>>>> back to the point... yeah i guess i need a central station. i have a
>>>> mackie 1202 i could use but i'm to scared to monitor anything through
>>>> that piece of poo.
>>>>
>>>> i'm re-mixing a song on the a/c chart for 'hot a/c' airplay.. (actually
>>>> 2 songs). and i want to a/b stuff. plus i always reference other
>>>> songs in the same genre when i'm mixing anything.
>>>>
>>>> maybe i'll post this one when i'm done for you cats to check out. its
>>>> a kinda pop/inspiration 6/8 tune.
>>>>
>>>> jL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: genius needed [message #99791 is a reply to message #99786]

Wed, 30 July 2008 08:47

jeremy luzier[1]

Messages: 18
Registered: March 2008

Junior Member

are you serious?

you are a freeeeekin genius sandy tipping!!!!!!!!!!!

i'll make sure this works when the tracks are not in the paris editor... as
in my case they are coming from nuendo passing through paris. i don't see
why it wouldn't as signal is still passing through the mixer.

genius found!

jL

"Sandy Tipping" <tippsand@earthling.net> wrote in message
news:48905861@linux...
>I would just use the solo buttons on the C16 for those channels. Solo
>doesn't go through the master insert.
>
> Put the reference material on its own tracks in an editor
> group the faders (so you only need to grab one and they're linked)
> leave the C16 in "solo" mode (instead of mute)
>
> a/b by hitting solo and sliding up a fader to approx unity.
>

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Re: genius needed [message #99792 is a reply to message #99791]

Wed, 30 July 2008 09:25

jeremy luzier[1]

Messages: 18
Registered: March 2008

Junior Member

yup...works perfect.

all i do is solo the track in nuendo and hit the mute buttons on the c-16
(while in solo mode).

PERFECT!!!!! now thats starting out your day on a good note!

thanks sandy!

jL

"jeremy luzier" <none@comcast.net> wrote in message news:48908d70@linux...
> are you serious?
>
> you are a freeeeekin genius sandy tipping!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> i'll make sure this works when the tracks are not in the paris editor...
> as in my case they are coming from nuendo passing through paris. i don't
> see why it wouldn't as signal is still passing through the mixer.
>
> genius found!
>
> jL
>
> "Sandy Tipping" <tippsand@earthling.net> wrote in message
> news:48905861@linux...
>>I would just use the solo buttons on the C16 for those channels. Solo
>>doesn't go through the master insert.
>>
>> Put the reference material on its own tracks in an editor
>> group the faders (so you only need to grab one and they're linked)
>> leave the C16 in "solo" mode (instead of mute)
>>
>> a/b by hitting solo and sliding up a fader to approx unity.
>>
>
>

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Re: genius needed [message #99793 is a reply to message #99792]

Wed, 30 July 2008 09:25

Tom Bruhl

Messages: 1368
Registered: June 2007

Senior Member

Sandy,

I knew there was a genius here somewhere.

Nice one.

Tom

"jeremy luzier" <none@comcast.net> wrote in message news:48909638$1@linux...
> yup...works perfect.
>
> all i do is solo the track in nuendo and hit the mute buttons on the c-16
> (while in solo mode).
>
> PERFECT!!!!! now thats starting out your day on a good note!
>
> thanks sandy!
>
> jL
>
>
> "jeremy luzier" <none@comcast.net> wrote in message news:48908d70@linux...
>> are you serious?
>>
>> you are a freeeeekin genius sandy tipping!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> i'll make sure this works when the tracks are not in the paris editor...
>> as in my case they are coming from nuendo passing through paris. i don't
>> see why it wouldn't as signal is still passing through the mixer.
>>
>> genius found!
>>
>> jL
>>
>> "Sandy Tipping" <tippsand@earthling.net> wrote in message
>> news:48905861@linux...
>>>I would just use the solo buttons on the C16 for those channels. Solo
>>>doesn't go through the master insert.
>>>
>>> Put the reference material on its own tracks in an editor
>>> group the faders (so you only need to grab one and they're linked)
>>> leave the C16 in "solo" mode (instead of mute)
>>>
>>> a/b by hitting solo and sliding up a fader to approx unity.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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Re: genius needed [message #99794 is a reply to message #99793]

Wed, 30 July 2008 10:41

Sandy Tipping

Messages: 54
Registered: June 2007

Member

Like Batman, I only respond when called upon by the people.

:-)

"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:48909795@linux...
> Sandy,
>
> I knew there was a genius here somewhere.
>
> Nice one.
>
> Tom
>
>
> "jeremy luzier" <none@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:48909638$1@linux...
>> yup...works perfect.
>>
>> all i do is solo the track in nuendo and hit the mute buttons on the c-16
>> (while in solo mode).
>>
>> PERFECT!!!!! now thats starting out your day on a good note!
>>
>> thanks sandy!
>>
>> jL
>>
>>
>> "jeremy luzier" <none@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:48908d70@linux...
>>> are you serious?
>>>
>>> you are a freeeeekin genius sandy tipping!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> i'll make sure this works when the tracks are not in the paris editor...
>>> as in my case they are coming from nuendo passing through paris. i
>>> don't see why it wouldn't as signal is still passing through the mixer.
>>>
>>> genius found!
>>>
>>> jL
>>>
>>> "Sandy Tipping" <tippsand@earthling.net> wrote in message
>>> news:48905861@linux...
>>>>I would just use the solo buttons on the C16 for those channels. Solo
>>>>doesn't go through the master insert.
>>>>
>>>> Put the reference material on its own tracks in an editor
>>>> group the faders (so you only need to grab one and they're linked)
>>>> leave the C16 in "solo" mode (instead of mute)
>>>>
>>>> a/b by hitting solo and sliding up a fader to approx unity.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

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