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| Hooly Dooly - Monster guitar cable [message #101291] |
Thu, 27 November 2008 12:42  |
Kerry Galloway
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I had my old friend Norm Fisher over yesterday, we were shooting out
bass DIs for his rig. We shot out three Radials (JDI, J48, a
BassBone), my trusty Demeter VTBP-201 and a Bare Knuckle Audio handmade
"black box". We decided the JDI was the way to go (the Demeter was the
fave but it was just for reference, he's not looking for a rackmount;
we'd already shot out the REDDI previously, but although it sounds
killer soloed we love what the Demeter does to bass in the track) since
it made his Sadowsky and vintage P the happiest.
And then Warren, my tenant (the tenant who just happens to be a music
editor, an engineer and an ex-Fodera luthier for good measure) brings
up a $250 Monster bass patch cord he was given as a gift. We laughed,
knowing it was all hype - a decent cable (which we were already using)
is a decent cable, right?
Wrong. We weren't laughing after putting it through its paces. Holy
snap, the difference between the Monster cable and the regular
(good-quality) cable was every bit as profound as the difference
between DIs. Less harsh highs, rounder lows, tighter bottom. It's
supposedly a "one way" cable, and honestly we couldn't hear a scrap of
difference between directions - but the raw sound was *definitely* the
surprise of the day.
Norm is Bryan Adams' bassist, and his tech keeps threatening to build
him "Monster-quality" patch cables, so next step we get a few of those
puppies built and shoot them out against the Monster (I ain't payin' no
$250 to a pack of Cayman Island IP rapists if I can help it).
Eeeenteresting.
- K
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| Re: Hooly Dooly - Monster guitar cable [message #101292 is a reply to message #101291] |
Thu, 27 November 2008 14:16  |
John [1]
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If you feed it directly into this you'll have multiple orgasms.
http://www.eden-electronics.com/products/amps/indiv/wp100.as p
KerryGalloway <kerrygalloway@telus.net> wrote:
>I had my old friend Norm Fisher over yesterday, we were shooting out
>bass DIs for his rig. We shot out three Radials (JDI, J48, a
>BassBone), my trusty Demeter VTBP-201 and a Bare Knuckle Audio handmade
>"black box". We decided the JDI was the way to go (the Demeter was the
>fave but it was just for reference, he's not looking for a rackmount;
>we'd already shot out the REDDI previously, but although it sounds
>killer soloed we love what the Demeter does to bass in the track) since
>it made his Sadowsky and vintage P the happiest.
>
>And then Warren, my tenant (the tenant who just happens to be a music
>editor, an engineer and an ex-Fodera luthier for good measure) brings
>up a $250 Monster bass patch cord he was given as a gift. We laughed,
>knowing it was all hype - a decent cable (which we were already using)
>is a decent cable, right?
>
>Wrong. We weren't laughing after putting it through its paces. Holy
>snap, the difference between the Monster cable and the regular
>(good-quality) cable was every bit as profound as the difference
>between DIs. Less harsh highs, rounder lows, tighter bottom. It's
>supposedly a "one way" cable, and honestly we couldn't hear a scrap of
>difference between directions - but the raw sound was *definitely* the
>surprise of the day.
>
>Norm is Bryan Adams' bassist, and his tech keeps threatening to build
>him "Monster-quality" patch cables, so next step we get a few of those
>puppies built and shoot them out against the Monster (I ain't payin' no
>$250 to a pack of Cayman Island IP rapists if I can help it).
>
>Eeeenteresting.
>
>- K
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| Re: Hooly Dooly - Monster guitar cable [message #101293 is a reply to message #101291] |
Thu, 27 November 2008 14:49 |
EK Sound
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Build some cables out of Canare GS6 with Neutrik ends and see how they
compare to the Monster.
David.
KerryGalloway wrote:
> I had my old friend Norm Fisher over yesterday, we were shooting out
> bass DIs for his rig. We shot out three Radials (JDI, J48, a BassBone),
> my trusty Demeter VTBP-201 and a Bare Knuckle Audio handmade "black
> box". We decided the JDI was the way to go (the Demeter was the fave but
> it was just for reference, he's not looking for a rackmount; we'd
> already shot out the REDDI previously, but although it sounds killer
> soloed we love what the Demeter does to bass in the track) since it made
> his Sadowsky and vintage P the happiest.
>
> And then Warren, my tenant (the tenant who just happens to be a music
> editor, an engineer and an ex-Fodera luthier for good measure) brings up
> a $250 Monster bass patch cord he was given as a gift. We laughed,
> knowing it was all hype - a decent cable (which we were already using)
> is a decent cable, right?
>
> Wrong. We weren't laughing after putting it through its paces. Holy
> snap, the difference between the Monster cable and the regular
> (good-quality) cable was every bit as profound as the difference between
> DIs. Less harsh highs, rounder lows, tighter bottom. It's supposedly a
> "one way" cable, and honestly we couldn't hear a scrap of difference
> between directions - but the raw sound was *definitely* the surprise of
> the day.
>
> Norm is Bryan Adams' bassist, and his tech keeps threatening to build
> him "Monster-quality" patch cables, so next step we get a few of those
> puppies built and shoot them out against the Monster (I ain't payin' no
> $250 to a pack of Cayman Island IP rapists if I can help it).
>
> Eeeenteresting.
>
> - K
>
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| Re: Hooly Dooly - Monster guitar cable [message #101296 is a reply to message #101292] |
Thu, 27 November 2008 16:41 |
Kerry Galloway
Messages: 56
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Woot! Well, I already have an old Eden Traveller WT400; I might have to
plug it in and see. Rumor was that Demeter designed the pres on the old
ones.
- K
On 2008-11-27 14:16:28 -0800, "John" <no@no.com> said:
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> If you feed it directly into this you'll have multiple orgasms.
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> http://www.eden-electronics.com/products/amps/indiv/wp100.as p
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> KerryGalloway <kerrygalloway@telus.net> wrote:
>> I had my old friend Norm Fisher over yesterday, we were shooting out
>> bass DIs for his rig. We shot out three Radials (JDI, J48, a
>> BassBone), my trusty Demeter VTBP-201 and a Bare Knuckle Audio handmade
>
>> "black box". We decided the JDI was the way to go (the Demeter was the
>> fave but it was just for reference, he's not looking for a rackmount;
>> we'd already shot out the REDDI previously, but although it sounds
>> killer soloed we love what the Demeter does to bass in the track) since
>
>> it made his Sadowsky and vintage P the happiest.
>>
>> And then Warren, my tenant (the tenant who just happens to be a music
>> editor, an engineer and an ex-Fodera luthier for good measure) brings
>> up a $250 Monster bass patch cord he was given as a gift. We laughed,
>> knowing it was all hype - a decent cable (which we were already using)
>> is a decent cable, right?
>>
>> Wrong. We weren't laughing after putting it through its paces. Holy
>> snap, the difference between the Monster cable and the regular
>> (good-quality) cable was every bit as profound as the difference
>> between DIs. Less harsh highs, rounder lows, tighter bottom. It's
>> supposedly a "one way" cable, and honestly we couldn't hear a scrap of
>> difference between directions - but the raw sound was *definitely* the
>> surprise of the day.
>>
>> Norm is Bryan Adams' bassist, and his tech keeps threatening to build
>> him "Monster-quality" patch cables, so next step we get a few of those
>> puppies built and shoot them out against the Monster (I ain't payin' no
>
>> $250 to a pack of Cayman Island IP rapists if I can help it).
>>
>> Eeeenteresting.
>>
>> - K
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| Re: Hooly Dooly - Monster guitar cable [message #101302 is a reply to message #101291] |
Thu, 27 November 2008 21:47 |
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A long time ago I was working at Washington Music Center in Maryland and I
bought some Monster mic cable w/ my employee discount. Even then it cost
something stupid like $1.50/foot but I bit the bullet and bought 50 feet
of it to check out. I built two mic cables and a 10' guitar cable. It was
a major pain to work with because the individual strands were individually
insulated so soldering was a time consuming - I had to melt the insulation
off before the copper would take the solder. I took the 10' cable to my
gig that night. It was totally mind blowing! The difference was as dramatic
as changing strings after a long stretch. More highs, more lows, more dynamics.
So, being a glutton for punishment, I replaced every cable in my rig w/
Monster wire. I once had a friend with a EE degree explain at great length
that wire is wire but my ears tell me different. Since then I discovered
that the George L wire seems to sound just as good and is cheaper and easier
to work with. You might want to give that a try too...
Gantt
KerryGalloway <kerrygalloway@telus.net> wrote:
>I had my old friend Norm Fisher over yesterday, we were shooting out
>bass DIs for his rig. We shot out three Radials (JDI, J48, a
>BassBone), my trusty Demeter VTBP-201 and a Bare Knuckle Audio handmade
>"black box". We decided the JDI was the way to go (the Demeter was the
>fave but it was just for reference, he's not looking for a rackmount;
>we'd already shot out the REDDI previously, but although it sounds
>killer soloed we love what the Demeter does to bass in the track) since
>it made his Sadowsky and vintage P the happiest.
>
>And then Warren, my tenant (the tenant who just happens to be a music
>editor, an engineer and an ex-Fodera luthier for good measure) brings
>up a $250 Monster bass patch cord he was given as a gift. We laughed,
>knowing it was all hype - a decent cable (which we were already using)
>is a decent cable, right?
>
>Wrong. We weren't laughing after putting it through its paces. Holy
>snap, the difference between the Monster cable and the regular
>(good-quality) cable was every bit as profound as the difference
>between DIs. Less harsh highs, rounder lows, tighter bottom. It's
>supposedly a "one way" cable, and honestly we couldn't hear a scrap of
>difference between directions - but the raw sound was *definitely* the
>surprise of the day.
>
>Norm is Bryan Adams' bassist, and his tech keeps threatening to build
>him "Monster-quality" patch cables, so next step we get a few of those
>puppies built and shoot them out against the Monster (I ain't payin' no
>$250 to a pack of Cayman Island IP rapists if I can help it).
>
>Eeeenteresting.
>
>- K
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Hooly Dooly - Monster guitar cable [message #101330 is a reply to message #101309] |
Sat, 29 November 2008 13:35 |
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He worked for Motorola did mostly RF work. I'm pretty sure he understood
the effects of capacitance. I even already knew that. One if the things
the boutique cable folks talk about is the "skin effect" where certain frequencies
(if I understand this right) tend to travel on the surface of a conductor,
causing some frequencies to arrive at the listener's ear at a slightly different
time than others. Monster uses strands of different diameters to somehow
mitigate this phenomenon. Do you know anything about it? Truth or fiction?
Gantt
"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>I'm an EE and you're friend appears to be missing fundamentals. Cable capicitance
>has a dramatic effect on what high frequencies get through among other parameters.
> All wire is not the same. That's why for high quality video signals you
>need high quality cable with low capicitance so the high frequencies don't
>get lost.
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>There is no magic formula to cables but you do need good quality like canare,
>mogami etc. I buy my cables from haveinc.com cuz they are cheap and top
>quality canare.
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>If you hear differences then there are likely impedance mismatches or coloring
>from a cable that can't handle the frequencies.
>
>http://sound.westhost.com/cables-p3.htm
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>John
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>KerryGalloway <kerrygalloway@telus.net> wrote:
>>> I once had a friend with a EE degree explain at great length
>>> that wire is wire but my ears tell me different.
>>
>>Yeah, me too. But after yesterday I don't *care* what the specs say. We
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>>went into this as extreme skeptics, actually laughing as we plugged
>>them back and forth - then we stopped laughing.
>>
>>> Since then I discovered
>>> that the George L wire seems to sound just as good and is cheaper and
>easier
>>> to work with. You might want to give that a try too...
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>
>>Great tip! I think the next step right now is going to be getting the
>>tech to give it his best shot and see where that goes.
>>
>>- K
>>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: Hooly Dooly - Monster guitar cable [message #101374 is a reply to message #101291] |
Mon, 01 December 2008 14:14 |
Stephen Stecyk
Messages: 35
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Ok, I stupid (or ignorant - probably both), but I can't seem to find any
info on any Monster Cable bass instrument cable worth $250.00. The most
expensive Monster Bass Instrument Cable was $60.00 for 30 ft. Could it have
been the Studio Pro 1000 instrument cable? Those float around the $150.00
for a 21 ft length.
I only want to know so I can do a little more research on the subject - I'm
a bass player (by choice), and would love to try something like you're
describing here.
Stephen
"KerryGalloway" <kerrygalloway@telus.net> wrote in message
news:492f0a30@linux...
>I had my old friend Norm Fisher over yesterday, we were shooting out bass
>DIs for his rig. We shot out three Radials (JDI, J48, a BassBone), my
>trusty Demeter VTBP-201 and a Bare Knuckle Audio handmade "black box". We
>decided the JDI was the way to go (the Demeter was the fave but it was just
>for reference, he's not looking for a rackmount; we'd already shot out the
>REDDI previously, but although it sounds killer soloed we love what the
>Demeter does to bass in the track) since it made his Sadowsky and vintage P
>the happiest.
>
> And then Warren, my tenant (the tenant who just happens to be a music
> editor, an engineer and an ex-Fodera luthier for good measure) brings up a
> $250 Monster bass patch cord he was given as a gift. We laughed, knowing
> it was all hype - a decent cable (which we were already using) is a decent
> cable, right?
>
> Wrong. We weren't laughing after putting it through its paces. Holy snap,
> the difference between the Monster cable and the regular (good-quality)
> cable was every bit as profound as the difference between DIs. Less harsh
> highs, rounder lows, tighter bottom. It's supposedly a "one way" cable,
> and honestly we couldn't hear a scrap of difference between directions -
> but the raw sound was *definitely* the surprise of the day.
>
> Norm is Bryan Adams' bassist, and his tech keeps threatening to build him
> "Monster-quality" patch cables, so next step we get a few of those puppies
> built and shoot them out against the Monster (I ain't payin' no $250 to a
> pack of Cayman Island IP rapists if I can help it).
>
> Eeeenteresting.
>
> - K
>
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| Re: Hooly Dooly - Monster guitar cable [message #101379 is a reply to message #101374] |
Mon, 01 December 2008 23:42 |
Kerry Galloway
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On 2008-12-01 14:14:55 -0800, "Stephen Stecyk" <smp@smppro.com> said:
> Ok, I stupid (or ignorant - probably both), but I can't seem to find
> any info on any Monster Cable bass instrument cable worth $250.00. The
> most expensive Monster Bass Instrument Cable was $60.00 for 30 ft.
> Could it have been the Studio Pro 1000 instrument cable? Those float
> around the $150.00 for a 21 ft length.
>
> I only want to know so I can do a little more research on the subject -
> I'm a bass player (by choice), and would love to try something like
> you're describing here.
>
> Stephen
I hadn't checked the price, that was what I thought I heard Warren say
(although I might have misunderstood). I just checked and it sure looks
like it was the Studio Pro 1000 to me, which is a more-modest but
still-hefty $119.95. The bass cable is a surprisingly not-unreasonable
$44.95.
Norm just got off the phone from Keith Scott's tech in Toronto, who's
going to make him three of his own custom directional cables and FEDEX
them here for next week to try out - 2 x 15' and a 10'. He said he's
AB'd his with the Monsters and likes his own better, and he says he'd
be happy to make me some as well if I like them too. Norm should have
them by next week and we'll shoot 'em out and start a new thread. I'm
looking forward to seeing how much of the Monster hype is, as John
suggests, just good basic EE.
- K
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| Re: Hooly Dooly - Monster guitar cable [message #101468 is a reply to message #101379] |
Fri, 05 December 2008 06:31 |
Stephen Stecyk
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I'm glad that it wasn't just me not finding the $250.00 cable. A $45.00
bass cable isn't totally unreasonable - I'll probably start with that cable
and give it a try.
I find Monster Cable is like the Jordache jeans of the 80s - a better
quality product than what's out there genrally, but by far over-priced
compared to what benefits you're ultimately getting. I've used some of
their snake cabling (StudioLink 27 Channel) when creating my home studio,
and noticed a difference in the sound quality - closest thing I can say is
that it was cleaner, more defined, a bit more well-rounded.
I'd love to hear your experience with the custom cable - I'll keep an eye
out for the thread.
Stephen
"KerryGalloway" <kerrygalloway@telus.net> wrote in message
news:4934eacd@linux...
> On 2008-12-01 14:14:55 -0800, "Stephen Stecyk" <smp@smppro.com> said:
>
>> Ok, I stupid (or ignorant - probably both), but I can't seem to find any
>> info on any Monster Cable bass instrument cable worth $250.00. The most
>> expensive Monster Bass Instrument Cable was $60.00 for 30 ft. Could it
>> have been the Studio Pro 1000 instrument cable? Those float around the
>> $150.00 for a 21 ft length.
>>
>> I only want to know so I can do a little more research on the subject -
>> I'm a bass player (by choice), and would love to try something like
>> you're describing here.
>>
>> Stephen
>
> I hadn't checked the price, that was what I thought I heard Warren say
> (although I might have misunderstood). I just checked and it sure looks
> like it was the Studio Pro 1000 to me, which is a more-modest but
> still-hefty $119.95. The bass cable is a surprisingly not-unreasonable
> $44.95.
>
> Norm just got off the phone from Keith Scott's tech in Toronto, who's
> going to make him three of his own custom directional cables and FEDEX
> them here for next week to try out - 2 x 15' and a 10'. He said he's AB'd
> his with the Monsters and likes his own better, and he says he'd be happy
> to make me some as well if I like them too. Norm should have them by next
> week and we'll shoot 'em out and start a new thread. I'm looking forward
> to seeing how much of the Monster hype is, as John suggests, just good
> basic EE.
>
> - K
>
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| Re: Hooly Dooly - Monster guitar cable [message #101470 is a reply to message #101468] |
Fri, 05 December 2008 11:01 |
Kerry Galloway
Messages: 56
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On 2008-12-05 06:31:38 -0800, "Stephen Stecyk" <smp@smppro.com> said:
> I'm glad that it wasn't just me not finding the $250.00 cable. A
> $45.00 bass cable isn't totally unreasonable - I'll probably start with
> that cable and give it a try.
>
> I find Monster Cable is like the Jordache jeans of the 80s - a better
> quality product than what's out there genrally, but by far over-priced
> compared to what benefits you're ultimately getting. I've used some of
> their snake cabling (StudioLink 27 Channel) when creating my home
> studio, and noticed a difference in the sound quality - closest thing I
> can say is that it was cleaner, more defined, a bit more well-rounded.
>
> I'd love to hear your experience with the custom cable - I'll keep an
> eye out for the thread.
>
> Stephen
I spent some slow periods years ago helping a techie friend assemble
patchbays. The same folks whose patchbays I was helping build were also
musical colleagues so I got to see the whole process from a number of
perspectives - before, after, during. There's no doubt in my mind that
cleaning up their cabling and replacing the "bits and pieces" with
Mogami made pronounced differences to their sonics - tighter bottom,
cleaner top and better stereo soundstage, everything "popped" better.
They were staggered at the improvement.
- K
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| Re: Hooly Dooly - Monster guitar cable [message #101505 is a reply to message #101472] |
Mon, 08 December 2008 10:08 |
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Thanks John, they look like an excellent solution - nice prices! I'm in a
slightly different position than many - I have friends in the pro audio
wiring business and have inherited a stream of high-quality cable left over
from years of wiring gigs (and access to wholesale/bulk prices for more), so
I'll probably be doing a lot of the wiring myself under the patient tutelage
of a colleague.
- K
On 12/5/08 5:18 PM, in article 4939c4db$1@linux, "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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> Top quality cables are awesome but you don't have to spend a lot on them.
>
> enjoy....
> http://store.haveinc.com/default.aspx
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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