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| MOTU interfaces [message #71625] |
Tue, 22 August 2006 11:39  |
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I'm thinking about using my old G4 w/ Digital performer to allow me access
to the new UAD-1 and Waves plugins while using Paris on my newer G4. I need
an interface for DP that'll have little or no latency. I'm thinking about
the 828 (firewire) or the 2408 MK. 3 (PCI card). Do any of you folks have
enough experience w/ them to advise me?
Thanks!
gantt
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: MOTU interfaces [message #71633 is a reply to message #71632] |
Tue, 22 August 2006 14:07  |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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Hi Rick,
I think Gantt wants to run PARIS on his newer G4 and DP with a MOTU
interface on his older G4. That's the way I understood his question anyway.
He could run OSX on the DP machine, but the performance might not be great
on an older G4.
Anyway, I like the 828 MkII Firewire interface. The pre amps are pretty
clean and they have a decent amount of gain available. Actually, the 828 is
my "no color" pre amp right now. I've got 16 channels of Trident ixOne, an
HHB Fat Man II, and an Aphex 107, but they all are pretty "colorful" pres.
Until I can afford a Great River, Gracie, True Systems, etc., the 828 will
cover things.
MOTU's new UltraLite interface looks pretty nice also.
http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/
Tony
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:8vpme2hrmh00klvuanjh13b02bqj3tpub3@4ax.com...
> then he wouldn't be able to run paris on osx...c-22
>
>
>
> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:31:51 -0500, "Tony Benson"
> <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
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>>I'm running an 828 on my G5 with DP and loving it. Performance is good at
>>128 buffer size and that's very low latency. I don't know what performance
>>would be like on an older G4 and as Gantt said, you'll probably want to be
>>running OSX. I was running OSX on my dual 1GHz G4, but it might be too
>>much
>>for an older G4. I'm currently running PARIS on the Dually G4 and DP on a
>>Dual 2GHz G5 and I'm pretty happy with the performance.
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:44eb4f69$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I'm thinking about using my old G4 w/ Digital performer to allow me
>>> access
>>> to the new UAD-1 and Waves plugins while using Paris on my newer G4. I
>>> need
>>> an interface for DP that'll have little or no latency. I'm thinking
>>> about
>>> the 828 (firewire) or the 2408 MK. 3 (PCI card). Do any of you folks
>>> have
>>> enough experience w/ them to advise me?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> gantt
>>
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| Re: MOTU interfaces [message #71635 is a reply to message #71633] |
Tue, 22 August 2006 14:26 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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I have a MOTU 828MII, have used it with a G4 and now a dual G5. Very
solid piece of gear. Much better than the original 828, the 828MII is
reliable and well designed.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Tony Benson wrote:
> Hi Rick,
>
> I think Gantt wants to run PARIS on his newer G4 and DP with a MOTU
> interface on his older G4. That's the way I understood his question anyway.
> He could run OSX on the DP machine, but the performance might not be great
> on an older G4.
>
> Anyway, I like the 828 MkII Firewire interface. The pre amps are pretty
> clean and they have a decent amount of gain available. Actually, the 828 is
> my "no color" pre amp right now. I've got 16 channels of Trident ixOne, an
> HHB Fat Man II, and an Aphex 107, but they all are pretty "colorful" pres.
> Until I can afford a Great River, Gracie, True Systems, etc., the 828 will
> cover things.
>
> MOTU's new UltraLite interface looks pretty nice also.
> http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/
>
> Tony
>
>
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:8vpme2hrmh00klvuanjh13b02bqj3tpub3@4ax.com...
>> then he wouldn't be able to run paris on osx...c-22
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:31:51 -0500, "Tony Benson"
>> <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm running an 828 on my G5 with DP and loving it. Performance is good at
>>> 128 buffer size and that's very low latency. I don't know what performance
>>> would be like on an older G4 and as Gantt said, you'll probably want to be
>>> running OSX. I was running OSX on my dual 1GHz G4, but it might be too
>>> much
>>> for an older G4. I'm currently running PARIS on the Dually G4 and DP on a
>>> Dual 2GHz G5 and I'm pretty happy with the performance.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:44eb4f69$1@linux...
>>>> I'm thinking about using my old G4 w/ Digital performer to allow me
>>>> access
>>>> to the new UAD-1 and Waves plugins while using Paris on my newer G4. I
>>>> need
>>>> an interface for DP that'll have little or no latency. I'm thinking
>>>> about
>>>> the 828 (firewire) or the 2408 MK. 3 (PCI card). Do any of you folks
>>>> have
>>>> enough experience w/ them to advise me?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> gantt
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| Re: MOTU interfaces [message #71652 is a reply to message #71633] |
Tue, 22 August 2006 20:15 |
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Hi Tony,
Yes, you're right - My thought is to run Paris on my new DP 1.25 gHz G4 in
OS 9.2.2 ans Digital Performer on my old 833 mHz G4. I'm hoping to be able
to use the Waves IR-L reverb and some of the UAD-1 plugins (like the Neve
EQ!!!) in real time. Is the latency of the 828 MkII low enough to pull that
off? I figure there'll be issues w/ the UAD-1 FX, since the card has it's
own latency issues. I can't understand how DJ manages to make it all work
in real time on his system!
Thanks,
Gantt
"Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>Hi Rick,
>
>I think Gantt wants to run PARIS on his newer G4 and DP with a MOTU
>interface on his older G4. That's the way I understood his question anyway.
>He could run OSX on the DP machine, but the performance might not be great
>on an older G4.
>
>Anyway, I like the 828 MkII Firewire interface. The pre amps are pretty
>clean and they have a decent amount of gain available. Actually, the 828
is
>my "no color" pre amp right now. I've got 16 channels of Trident ixOne,
an
>HHB Fat Man II, and an Aphex 107, but they all are pretty "colorful" pres.
>Until I can afford a Great River, Gracie, True Systems, etc., the 828 will
>cover things.
>
>MOTU's new UltraLite interface looks pretty nice also.
>http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/
>
>Tony
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8vpme2hrmh00klvuanjh13b02bqj3tpub3@4ax.com...
>> then he wouldn't be able to run paris on osx...c-22
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:31:51 -0500, "Tony Benson"
>> <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm running an 828 on my G5 with DP and loving it. Performance is good
at
>>>128 buffer size and that's very low latency. I don't know what performance
>>>would be like on an older G4 and as Gantt said, you'll probably want to
be
>>>running OSX. I was running OSX on my dual 1GHz G4, but it might be too
>>>much
>>>for an older G4. I'm currently running PARIS on the Dually G4 and DP on
a
>>>Dual 2GHz G5 and I'm pretty happy with the performance.
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:44eb4f69$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking about using my old G4 w/ Digital performer to allow me
>>>> access
>>>> to the new UAD-1 and Waves plugins while using Paris on my newer G4.
I
>>>> need
>>>> an interface for DP that'll have little or no latency. I'm thinking
>>>> about
>>>> the 828 (firewire) or the 2408 MK. 3 (PCI card). Do any of you folks
>>>> have
>>>> enough experience w/ them to advise me?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> gantt
>>>
>>
>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: MOTU interfaces [message #71659 is a reply to message #71633] |
Wed, 23 August 2006 01:08 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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actually i thought i had deleted the post when i reread gantts
post...so much for the cancel button...
On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 16:07:59 -0500, "Tony Benson"
<tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>Hi Rick,
>
>I think Gantt wants to run PARIS on his newer G4 and DP with a MOTU
>interface on his older G4. That's the way I understood his question anyway.
>He could run OSX on the DP machine, but the performance might not be great
>on an older G4.
>
>Anyway, I like the 828 MkII Firewire interface. The pre amps are pretty
>clean and they have a decent amount of gain available. Actually, the 828 is
>my "no color" pre amp right now. I've got 16 channels of Trident ixOne, an
>HHB Fat Man II, and an Aphex 107, but they all are pretty "colorful" pres.
>Until I can afford a Great River, Gracie, True Systems, etc., the 828 will
>cover things.
>
>MOTU's new UltraLite interface looks pretty nice also.
>http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/
>
>Tony
>
>
>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:8vpme2hrmh00klvuanjh13b02bqj3tpub3@4ax.com...
>> then he wouldn't be able to run paris on osx...c-22
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:31:51 -0500, "Tony Benson"
>> <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm running an 828 on my G5 with DP and loving it. Performance is good at
>>>128 buffer size and that's very low latency. I don't know what performance
>>>would be like on an older G4 and as Gantt said, you'll probably want to be
>>>running OSX. I was running OSX on my dual 1GHz G4, but it might be too
>>>much
>>>for an older G4. I'm currently running PARIS on the Dually G4 and DP on a
>>>Dual 2GHz G5 and I'm pretty happy with the performance.
>>>
>>>Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:44eb4f69$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking about using my old G4 w/ Digital performer to allow me
>>>> access
>>>> to the new UAD-1 and Waves plugins while using Paris on my newer G4. I
>>>> need
>>>> an interface for DP that'll have little or no latency. I'm thinking
>>>> about
>>>> the 828 (firewire) or the 2408 MK. 3 (PCI card). Do any of you folks
>>>> have
>>>> enough experience w/ them to advise me?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> gantt
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: MOTU interfaces [message #71662 is a reply to message #71655] |
Wed, 23 August 2006 04:01 |
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Hey Gene,
Do you think the latency is low enough to use the 2408 w/ DP as a real time
FX processor? Actually, I guess w/ reverb a little pre-delay wouldn't hurt.
I don't know about UAD-1 FX, given the card's own latency...
Thanks!
Gantt
"gene lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
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>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>I'm thinking about using my old G4 w/ Digital performer to allow me access
>>to the new UAD-1 and Waves plugins while using Paris on my newer G4. I
>need
>>an interface for DP that'll have little or no latency. I'm thinking about
>>the 828 (firewire) or the 2408 MK. 3 (PCI card). Do any of you folks have
>>enough experience w/ them to advise me?
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>gantt
>
>PCI 424 and multiple 2408 MK III interfaces have been excellent for me.
Serves
>primarily as a large ADAT matrix and monitoring (CueMix) system. Only issue
>is no support for S/MUX. The converters are OK, but I don’t normally use
>them.
>Gene
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: MOTU interfaces [message #71676 is a reply to message #71652] |
Wed, 23 August 2006 11:16 |
Tony Benson
Messages: 453
Registered: June 2006
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On my G5 with the buffer set to 128 in DP, I'm guessing approx. 3ms latency.
I've never bothered to find out how to check the exact figure as it's been
low enough that I don't really care. I don't know if an older G4 would run
well at that buffer setting though. I have a feeling not. With insert type
effects i.e. EQ's, Comps, etc., the whole track will be delayed with
whatever latency you have out and back in, and will need to be compensated
for when returning the send to the mix. With send type FX, Reverb,
Delay,etc. you can probably dial stuff in to work with no compensation,
unless you're trying to sync tempo delays or something like that. I haven't
actually messed with the type scenario you are asking about, so I can' t
give too much solid advice. I can only say that the 828 MkII is a solid
piece of gear and I would think with a good fast comp. you could do what
you're wanting to do. I would be leery about a 833 MHz G4 being fast enough
though. Sorry.
Tony
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:44ebc842$1@linux...
>
> Hi Tony,
>
> Yes, you're right - My thought is to run Paris on my new DP 1.25 gHz G4 in
> OS 9.2.2 ans Digital Performer on my old 833 mHz G4. I'm hoping to be
> able
> to use the Waves IR-L reverb and some of the UAD-1 plugins (like the Neve
> EQ!!!) in real time. Is the latency of the 828 MkII low enough to pull
> that
> off? I figure there'll be issues w/ the UAD-1 FX, since the card has it's
> own latency issues. I can't understand how DJ manages to make it all work
> in real time on his system!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gantt
>
> "Tony Benson" <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>Hi Rick,
>>
>>I think Gantt wants to run PARIS on his newer G4 and DP with a MOTU
>>interface on his older G4. That's the way I understood his question
>>anyway.
>
>>He could run OSX on the DP machine, but the performance might not be great
>
>>on an older G4.
>>
>>Anyway, I like the 828 MkII Firewire interface. The pre amps are pretty
>
>>clean and they have a decent amount of gain available. Actually, the 828
> is
>>my "no color" pre amp right now. I've got 16 channels of Trident ixOne,
> an
>>HHB Fat Man II, and an Aphex 107, but they all are pretty "colorful" pres.
>
>>Until I can afford a Great River, Gracie, True Systems, etc., the 828 will
>
>>cover things.
>>
>>MOTU's new UltraLite interface looks pretty nice also.
>>http://www.motu.com/products/motuaudio/ultralite/
>>
>>Tony
>>
>>
>>"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:8vpme2hrmh00klvuanjh13b02bqj3tpub3@4ax.com...
>>> then he wouldn't be able to run paris on osx...c-22
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 22 Aug 2006 14:31:51 -0500, "Tony Benson"
>>> <tony@standinghampton.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I'm running an 828 on my G5 with DP and loving it. Performance is good
> at
>>>>128 buffer size and that's very low latency. I don't know what
>>>>performance
>>>>would be like on an older G4 and as Gantt said, you'll probably want to
> be
>>>>running OSX. I was running OSX on my dual 1GHz G4, but it might be too
>
>>>>much
>>>>for an older G4. I'm currently running PARIS on the Dually G4 and DP on
> a
>>>>Dual 2GHz G5 and I'm pretty happy with the performance.
>>>>
>>>>Tony
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:44eb4f69$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm thinking about using my old G4 w/ Digital performer to allow me
>
>>>>> access
>>>>> to the new UAD-1 and Waves plugins while using Paris on my newer G4.
> I
>>>>> need
>>>>> an interface for DP that'll have little or no latency. I'm thinking
>
>>>>> about
>>>>> the 828 (firewire) or the 2408 MK. 3 (PCI card). Do any of you folks
>
>>>>> have
>>>>> enough experience w/ them to advise me?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> gantt
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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