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| OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73524] |
Tue, 03 October 2006 23:01  |
Dedric Terry
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Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took the
Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run on a
VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough it has
superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo - cool
for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions of
Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in Media
Bay.
The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
some bugs still, of course).
C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins with
are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending on
the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp eats
up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One is a
rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite a few
useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand up
well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
not as versatile as either of these).
C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature for
mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs, dim,
talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes, etc.
Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly in the
project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only a
single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the mixer.
That's enough for now. fwiw...
Dedric
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73531 is a reply to message #73524] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 06:07  |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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Hey Dedric,
Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm it!!
(Lol) ;)
Thanks
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took the
>Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
on a
>VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough it
has
>superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>
>C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>
>One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo - cool
>for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
of
>Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in Media
>Bay.
>
>The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>some bugs still, of course).
>
>C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
with
>are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
on
>the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
eats
>up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One is
a
>rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite a
few
>useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
up
>well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>not as versatile as either of these).
>
>C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
for
>mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
dim,
>talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes, etc.
>
>Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly in
the
>project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only a
>single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the mixer.
>
>That's enough for now. fwiw...
>
>Dedric
>
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73532 is a reply to message #73524] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 06:08 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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Thanks for the info Dedric. Up through v.3 I was on the NFR gravy train so
if I want 4 I have to pony up full price. Not sure if that's worth it to
me, esp. since Live has become the primary app I use and SX is started up
only in specialized situations. Also, I'd be breaking compatibility with
my fellow bandmates who are all on 2 or 3. We'll see though, it does sound
like a bigger upgrade than they've done in a bit. As far as I could tell
the only difference between 2 adn 3 was the box.
TCB
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took the
>Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
on a
>VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough it
has
>superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>
>C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>
>One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo - cool
>for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
of
>Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in Media
>Bay.
>
>The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>some bugs still, of course).
>
>C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
with
>are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
on
>the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
eats
>up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One is
a
>rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite a
few
>useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
up
>well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>not as versatile as either of these).
>
>C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
for
>mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
dim,
>talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes, etc.
>
>Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly in
the
>project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only a
>single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the mixer.
>
>That's enough for now. fwiw...
>
>Dedric
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73534 is a reply to message #73531] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 06:35 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing the
living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> Hey Dedric,
>
> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
>
> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm it!!
> (Lol) ;)
> Thanks
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took the
>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
> on a
>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough it
> has
>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>
>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>
>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo - cool
>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
> of
>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in Media
>> Bay.
>>
>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>> some bugs still, of course).
>>
>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
> with
>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
> on
>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
> eats
>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One is
> a
>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite a
> few
>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
> up
>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>
>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
> for
>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
> dim,
>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes, etc.
>>
>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly in
> the
>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only a
>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the mixer.
>>
>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73557 is a reply to message #73534] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 10:55 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks with plugins?
Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then have
have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really is
too bad..
The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This (Control
Room) is some good stuff.
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
>
>It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing
the
>living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
>
>On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey Dedric,
>>
>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
>>
>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm it!!
>> (Lol) ;)
>> Thanks
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
the
>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
>> on a
>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
it
>> has
>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>
>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>
>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo -
cool
>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
form
>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>> of
>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
Media
>>> Bay.
>>>
>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>>> some bugs still, of course).
>>>
>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>> with
>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>> on
>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>> eats
>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
is
>> a
>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
a
>> few
>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>> up
>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>>
>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>> for
>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>> dim,
>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
etc.
>>>
>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
in
>> the
>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
a
>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
mixer.
>>>
>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73560 is a reply to message #73557] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 11:41 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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I agree, Lamont, that control room feature looks very useful. Thanks for
the report, Dedric.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
LaMont wrote:
> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks with plugins?
>
> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then have
> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really is
> too bad..
>
> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This (Control
> Room) is some good stuff.
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
>>
>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing
> the
>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
>>
>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Dedric,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
>>>
>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm it!!
>>> (Lol) ;)
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
> the
>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
>>> on a
>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
> it
>>> has
>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>
>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo -
> cool
>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
> form
>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>> of
>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
> Media
>>>> Bay.
>>>>
>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>>>> some bugs still, of course).
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>> with
>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>>> on
>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>>> eats
>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
> is
>>> a
>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
> a
>>> few
>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>>> up
>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>> for
>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>> dim,
>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
> etc.
>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
> in
>>> the
>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
> a
>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
> mixer.
>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73574 is a reply to message #73557] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 19:55 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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DX is indeed gone. Not a big deal to me as Autotune is the only DX plugin I
used, and I'll probably use Elastic audio in Sequoia for tuning vocals -
sounds much better. Some users aren't so happy about it though.
I haven't mixed over 50 tracks yet - just got it Monday.
The control room is actually identical to Nuendo's (3.2) - just new to C4.
I agree - it is quite nice - a huge plus for monitor management, esp. with
5.1 and stereo monitor configs.
The score editor is also improved - biggest positive for me is the palettes
are now in the left column as dropdown panels rather than floating - much
easier to use now that I don't have to arrange them in my template projects
and work around them.
Dedric
On 10/4/06 11:55 AM, in article 4523f5a5$1@linux, "LaMont"
<jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks with
> plugins?
>
> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then have
> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really is
> too bad..
>
> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This (Control
> Room) is some good stuff.
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
>>
>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing
> the
>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
>>
>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hey Dedric,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
>>>
>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm it!!
>>> (Lol) ;)
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
> the
>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
>>> on a
>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
> it
>>> has
>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>
>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo -
> cool
>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
> form
>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>> of
>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
> Media
>>>> Bay.
>>>>
>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>>>> some bugs still, of course).
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>> with
>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>>> on
>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>>> eats
>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
> is
>>> a
>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
> a
>>> few
>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>>> up
>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>> for
>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>> dim,
>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
> etc.
>>>>
>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
> in
>>> the
>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
> a
>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
> mixer.
>>>>
>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73576 is a reply to message #73574] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 20:58 |
Nei
Messages: 108
Registered: November 2006
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Senior Member |
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Guys, how's the CPU drainage on v4? Worse than v3?
Neil
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>DX is indeed gone. Not a big deal to me as Autotune is the only DX plugin
I
>used, and I'll probably use Elastic audio in Sequoia for tuning vocals -
>sounds much better. Some users aren't so happy about it though.
>
>I haven't mixed over 50 tracks yet - just got it Monday.
>
>The control room is actually identical to Nuendo's (3.2) - just new to C4.
>I agree - it is quite nice - a huge plus for monitor management, esp. with
>5.1 and stereo monitor configs.
>
>The score editor is also improved - biggest positive for me is the palettes
>are now in the left column as dropdown panels rather than floating - much
>easier to use now that I don't have to arrange them in my template projects
>and work around them.
>
>Dedric
>
>On 10/4/06 11:55 AM, in article 4523f5a5$1@linux, "LaMont"
><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks with
>> plugins?
>>
>> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then
have
>> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really
is
>> too bad..
>>
>> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This (Control
>> Room) is some good stuff.
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
>>>
>>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing
>> the
>>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
>>>
>>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Dedric,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
>>>>
>>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm
it!!
>>>> (Lol) ;)
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its'
own
>>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
>> the
>>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to
run
>>>> on a
>>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
>> it
>>>> has
>>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>>>
>>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
files
>>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
-
>> cool
>>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
>> form
>>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>>> of
>>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively.
Not
>>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters
in
>> Media
>>>>> Bay.
>>>>>
>>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4
feels
>>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not
without
>>>>> some bugs still, of course).
>>>>>
>>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>>> with
>>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>>>> on
>>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are
not
>>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband
comp
>>>> eats
>>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion
One
>> is
>>>> a
>>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
>> a
>>>> few
>>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>>>> up
>>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>>>>
>>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>>> for
>>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>>> dim,
>>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
>> etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
>> in
>>>> the
>>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
>> a
>>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to
select
>>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
>> mixer.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73578 is a reply to message #73576] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 21:09 |
animix
Messages: 356
Registered: September 2006
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Senior Member |
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Would that be the same as *suckage*?
"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452482f7$1@linux...
>
> Guys, how's the CPU drainage on v4? Worse than v3?
>
> Neil
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >DX is indeed gone. Not a big deal to me as Autotune is the only DX plugin
> I
> >used, and I'll probably use Elastic audio in Sequoia for tuning vocals -
> >sounds much better. Some users aren't so happy about it though.
> >
> >I haven't mixed over 50 tracks yet - just got it Monday.
> >
> >The control room is actually identical to Nuendo's (3.2) - just new to
C4.
> >I agree - it is quite nice - a huge plus for monitor management, esp.
with
> >5.1 and stereo monitor configs.
> >
> >The score editor is also improved - biggest positive for me is the
palettes
> >are now in the left column as dropdown panels rather than floating - much
> >easier to use now that I don't have to arrange them in my template
projects
> >and work around them.
> >
> >Dedric
> >
> >On 10/4/06 11:55 AM, in article 4523f5a5$1@linux, "LaMont"
> ><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks with
> >> plugins?
> >>
> >> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then
> have
> >> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really
> is
> >> too bad..
> >>
> >> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This
(Control
> >> Room) is some good stuff.
> >>
> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
> >>>
> >>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for
crushing
> >> the
> >>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
> >>>
> >>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
> >>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hey Dedric,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
> >>>>
> >>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm
> it!!
> >>>> (Lol) ;)
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>>
> >>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its'
> own
> >>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I
took
> >> the
> >>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to
> run
> >>>> on a
> >>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features
enough
> >> it
> >>>> has
> >>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the
library).
> >>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
> >>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and
loading
> >>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and
Sound
> >>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system,
catalogs
> >>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
> files
> >>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
> >>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays
back,
> >>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
> -
> >> cool
> >>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
> >> form
> >>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just
versions
> >>>> of
> >>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively.
> Not
> >>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters
> in
> >> Media
> >>>>> Bay.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4
> feels
> >>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not
> without
> >>>>> some bugs still, of course).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new
plugins
> >>>> with
> >>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate,
chorus,
> >>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel
depending
> >>>> on
> >>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are
> not
> >>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband
> comp
> >>>> eats
> >>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion
> One
> >> is
> >>>> a
> >>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has
quite
> >> a
> >>>> few
> >>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and
stand
> >>>> up
> >>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world
(albeit
> >>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great
feature
> >>>> for
> >>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between
speaker
> >>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor
outputs,
> >>>> dim,
> >>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone
mixes,
> >> etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track
directly
> >> in
> >>>> the
> >>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is
only
> >> a
> >>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full
multi-output
> >>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to
> select
> >>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in
the
> >> mixer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dedric
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73579 is a reply to message #73578] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 21:24 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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"DJ" <notachance@net.net> wrote:
>Would that be the same as *suckage*?
Yes, in a way, but not in the negative connotations
of "suckage", but rather in the "funneling power" type of
connotations.
OK, well, then that would be negative, too lol
Neil
>
>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote in message news:452482f7$1@linux...
>>
>> Guys, how's the CPU drainage on v4? Worse than v3?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> >DX is indeed gone. Not a big deal to me as Autotune is the only DX plugin
>> I
>> >used, and I'll probably use Elastic audio in Sequoia for tuning vocals
-
>> >sounds much better. Some users aren't so happy about it though.
>> >
>> >I haven't mixed over 50 tracks yet - just got it Monday.
>> >
>> >The control room is actually identical to Nuendo's (3.2) - just new to
>C4.
>> >I agree - it is quite nice - a huge plus for monitor management, esp.
>with
>> >5.1 and stereo monitor configs.
>> >
>> >The score editor is also improved - biggest positive for me is the
>palettes
>> >are now in the left column as dropdown panels rather than floating -
much
>> >easier to use now that I don't have to arrange them in my template
>projects
>> >and work around them.
>> >
>> >Dedric
>> >
>> >On 10/4/06 11:55 AM, in article 4523f5a5$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> ><jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks
with
>> >> plugins?
>> >>
>> >> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then
>> have
>> >> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really
>> is
>> >> too bad..
>> >>
>> >> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This
>(Control
>> >> Room) is some good stuff.
>> >>
>> >> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> >>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
>> >>>
>> >>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for
>crushing
>> >> the
>> >>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> >>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hey Dedric,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm
>> it!!
>> >>>> (Lol) ;)
>> >>>> Thanks
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> >>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its'
>> own
>> >>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I
>took
>> >> the
>> >>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle)
to
>> run
>> >>>> on a
>> >>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features
>enough
>> >> it
>> >>>> has
>> >>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the
>library).
>> >>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>> >>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and
>loading
>> >>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and
>Sound
>> >>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system,
>catalogs
>> >>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
>> files
>> >>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files,
in
>> >>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays
>back,
>> >>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
>> -
>> >> cool
>> >>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for
free
>> >> form
>> >>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just
>versions
>> >>>> of
>> >>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively.
>> Not
>> >>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters
>> in
>> >> Media
>> >>>>> Bay.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand.
C4
>> feels
>> >>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not
>> without
>> >>>>> some bugs still, of course).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new
>plugins
>> >>>> with
>> >>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate,
>chorus,
>> >>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel
>depending
>> >>>> on
>> >>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are
>> not
>> >>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband
>> comp
>> >>>> eats
>> >>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion
>> One
>> >> is
>> >>>> a
>> >>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has
>quite
>> >> a
>> >>>> few
>> >>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and
>stand
>> >>>> up
>> >>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world
>(albeit
>> >>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great
>feature
>> >>>> for
>> >>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between
>speaker
>> >>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor
>outputs,
>> >>>> dim,
>> >>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone
>mixes,
>> >> etc.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track
>directly
>> >> in
>> >>>> the
>> >>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is
>only
>> >> a
>> >>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full
>multi-output
>> >>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert
to
>> select
>> >>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in
>the
>> >> mixer.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dedric
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73586 is a reply to message #73576] |
Wed, 04 October 2006 22:52 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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I haven't made any direct comparisons with Nuendo 3, but overall it seems
better - more stable - no jumping cpu spikes. I had C4 at 90% while playing
around the other day (multiband comp on a 5.1 buss eats up the cpu fast),
and it didn't flinch.
Dedric
On 10/4/06 9:58 PM, in article 452482f7$1@linux, "Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com>
wrote:
>
> Guys, how's the CPU drainage on v4? Worse than v3?
>
> Neil
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> DX is indeed gone. Not a big deal to me as Autotune is the only DX plugin
> I
>> used, and I'll probably use Elastic audio in Sequoia for tuning vocals -
>> sounds much better. Some users aren't so happy about it though.
>>
>> I haven't mixed over 50 tracks yet - just got it Monday.
>>
>> The control room is actually identical to Nuendo's (3.2) - just new to C4.
>> I agree - it is quite nice - a huge plus for monitor management, esp. with
>> 5.1 and stereo monitor configs.
>>
>> The score editor is also improved - biggest positive for me is the palettes
>> are now in the left column as dropdown panels rather than floating - much
>> easier to use now that I don't have to arrange them in my template projects
>> and work around them.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 10/4/06 11:55 AM, in article 4523f5a5$1@linux, "LaMont"
>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks with
>>> plugins?
>>>
>>> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then
> have
>>> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really
> is
>>> too bad..
>>>
>>> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This
>>> (Control
>>> Room) is some good stuff.
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for crushing
>>> the
>>>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
>>>>
>>>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
>>>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Dedric,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
>>>>>
>>>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm
> it!!
>>>>> (Lol) ;)
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its'
> own
>>>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
>>> the
>>>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to
> run
>>>>> on a
>>>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
>>> it
>>>>> has
>>>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system,
>>>>>> catalogs
>>>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
> files
>>>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
> -
>>> cool
>>>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
>>> form
>>>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>>>> of
>>>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively.
> Not
>>>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters
> in
>>> Media
>>>>>> Bay.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4
> feels
>>>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not
> without
>>>>>> some bugs still, of course).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>>>> with
>>>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>>>>> on
>>>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are
> not
>>>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband
> comp
>>>>> eats
>>>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion
> One
>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
>>> a
>>>>> few
>>>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>>>>> up
>>>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>>>> for
>>>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>>>> dim,
>>>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
>>> etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
>>> in
>>>>> the
>>>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
>>> a
>>>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full
>>>>>> multi-output
>>>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to
> select
>>>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
>>> mixer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dedric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73598 is a reply to message #73586] |
Thu, 05 October 2006 05:04 |
animix
Messages: 356
Registered: September 2006
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>no jumping cpu spikes
that's pretty major IMO. Probably worth the price of admission.
;o)
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C149F9B7.3FE4%dterry@keyofd.net...
> I haven't made any direct comparisons with Nuendo 3, but overall it seems
> better - more stable - no jumping cpu spikes. I had C4 at 90% while
playing
> around the other day (multiband comp on a 5.1 buss eats up the cpu fast),
> and it didn't flinch.
>
> Dedric
>
> On 10/4/06 9:58 PM, in article 452482f7$1@linux, "Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Guys, how's the CPU drainage on v4? Worse than v3?
> >
> > Neil
> >
> >
> > Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >> DX is indeed gone. Not a big deal to me as Autotune is the only DX
plugin
> > I
> >> used, and I'll probably use Elastic audio in Sequoia for tuning
vocals -
> >> sounds much better. Some users aren't so happy about it though.
> >>
> >> I haven't mixed over 50 tracks yet - just got it Monday.
> >>
> >> The control room is actually identical to Nuendo's (3.2) - just new to
C4.
> >> I agree - it is quite nice - a huge plus for monitor management, esp.
with
> >> 5.1 and stereo monitor configs.
> >>
> >> The score editor is also improved - biggest positive for me is the
palettes
> >> are now in the left column as dropdown panels rather than floating -
much
> >> easier to use now that I don't have to arrange them in my template
projects
> >> and work around them.
> >>
> >> Dedric
> >>
> >> On 10/4/06 11:55 AM, in article 4523f5a5$1@linux, "LaMont"
> >> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> So, know digital artifacts and the like when mixing over 50 tracks
with
> >>> plugins?
> >>>
> >>> Also, I hear that they dropped direct-X support? If that is true, then
> > have
> >>> have at least eliminitaed some of their summing issues, but it really
> > is
> >>> too bad..
> >>>
> >>> The Control Room is musch more intuitive than Nuendo's version..This
> >>> (Control
> >>> Room) is some good stuff.
> >>>
> >>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >>>> Hey Lamont - of course, it goes to 11 now. ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> It includes a pretty good limiter and a loudness maximizer for
crushing
> >>> the
> >>>> living daylights out of otherwise harmless audio.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 10/4/06 7:07 AM, in article 4523b229$1@linux, "LaMont"
> >>>> <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hey Dedric,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the report..But, you already know my question???
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What about the audio engine (Summing bus) ..Improved?? Can you slamm
> > it!!
> >>>>> (Lol) ;)
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> >>>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its'
> > own
> >>>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I
took
> >>> the
> >>>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to
> > run
> >>>>> on a
> >>>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features
enough
> >>> it
> >>>>> has
> >>>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the
library).
> >>>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
> >>>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and
loading
> >>>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and
Sound
> >>>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system,
> >>>>>> catalogs
> >>>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
> > files
> >>>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files,
in
> >>>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays
back,
> >>>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
> > -
> >>> cool
> >>>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for
free
> >>> form
> >>>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just
versions
> >>>>> of
> >>>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively.
> > Not
> >>>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters
> > in
> >>> Media
> >>>>>> Bay.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4
> > feels
> >>>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not
> > without
> >>>>>> some bugs still, of course).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new
plugins
> >>>>> with
> >>>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate,
chorus,
> >>>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel
depending
> >>>>> on
> >>>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are
> > not
> >>>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband
> > comp
> >>>>> eats
> >>>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion
> > One
> >>> is
> >>>>> a
> >>>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has
quite
> >>> a
> >>>>> few
> >>>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and
stand
> >>>>> up
> >>>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world
(albeit
> >>>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great
feature
> >>>>> for
> >>>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between
speaker
> >>>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor
outputs,
> >>>>> dim,
> >>>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone
mixes,
> >>> etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track
directly
> >>> in
> >>>>> the
> >>>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is
only
> >>> a
> >>>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full
> >>>>>> multi-output
> >>>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to
> > select
> >>>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in
the
> >>> mixer.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Dedric
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73610 is a reply to message #73524] |
Thu, 05 October 2006 07:56 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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It looks cool. Control room features are nice, but the word is, it's the
same old Cubase audio engine, not the Nuendo audio engine: (
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took the
>Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
on a
>VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough it
has
>superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>
>C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>
>One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo - cool
>for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
of
>Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in Media
>Bay.
>
>The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>some bugs still, of course).
>
>C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
with
>are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
on
>the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
eats
>up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One is
a
>rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite a
few
>useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
up
>well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>not as versatile as either of these).
>
>C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
for
>mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
dim,
>talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes, etc.
>
>Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly in
the
>project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only a
>single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the mixer.
>
>That's enough for now. fwiw...
>
>Dedric
>
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73612 is a reply to message #73610] |
Thu, 05 October 2006 08:27 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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Nuendo and Cubase share the same audio engine..
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>It looks cool. Control room features are nice, but the word is, it's the
>same old Cubase audio engine, not the Nuendo audio engine: (
>
>
>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>>might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took the
>>Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
>on a
>>VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough it
>has
>>superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>
>>C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>
>>One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>>into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo - cool
>>for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>>vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>of
>>Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in Media
>>Bay.
>>
>>The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>>more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>>some bugs still, of course).
>>
>>C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>with
>>are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>on
>>the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>eats
>>up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
is
>a
>>rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite a
>few
>>useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>up
>>well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>not as versatile as either of these).
>>
>>C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>for
>>mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>dim,
>>talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes, etc.
>>
>>Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly in
>the
>>project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
a
>>single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>>which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the mixer.
>>
>>That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>
>>Dedric
>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions-while were at it [message #73614 is a reply to message #73612] |
Thu, 05 October 2006 09:33 |
Nappy
Messages: 198
Registered: September 2006
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Senior Member |
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LaMont and others,
Who does the best job on the audio side between Cubase and Pro Tools Le?
I'm still trying to decide between the two. I can get a academic version
of
M-Powered Pro Tools le for $150 as long as I want to use M-audio a interface.
Considering a Project Mix I/O.
respect
Nappy
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Nuendo and Cubase share the same audio engine..
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>It looks cool. Control room features are nice, but the word is, it's the
>>same old Cubase audio engine, not the Nuendo audio engine: (
>>
>>
>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>>>might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
the
>>>Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
>>on a
>>>VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
it
>>has
>>>superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>
>>>C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>
>>>One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>>it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>>>into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo -
cool
>>>for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>>>vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>of
>>>Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>>overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
Media
>>>Bay.
>>>
>>>The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>>>more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>>>some bugs still, of course).
>>>
>>>C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>with
>>>are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>>on
>>>the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>>multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>>eats
>>>up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
>is
>>a
>>>rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
a
>>few
>>>useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>>up
>>>well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>>not as versatile as either of these).
>>>
>>>C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>for
>>>mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>dim,
>>>talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
etc.
>>>
>>>Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
in
>>the
>>>project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
>a
>>>single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>>VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>>>which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
mixer.
>>>
>>>That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73616 is a reply to message #73612] |
Thu, 05 October 2006 09:49 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
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"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Nuendo and Cubase share the same audio engine..
I thought they had moved to that engine years ago, but I read on GS or some
where people said that it was still using the old Cubase audio engine.
I've been misinformed.
James
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>It looks cool. Control room features are nice, but the word is, it's the
>>same old Cubase audio engine, not the Nuendo audio engine: (
>>
>>
>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>>>might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
the
>>>Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
>>on a
>>>VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
it
>>has
>>>superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>
>>>C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>
>>>One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>>it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>>>into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo -
cool
>>>for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>>>vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>of
>>>Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>>overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
Media
>>>Bay.
>>>
>>>The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>>>more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>>>some bugs still, of course).
>>>
>>>C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>with
>>>are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>>on
>>>the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>>multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>>eats
>>>up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
>is
>>a
>>>rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
a
>>few
>>>useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>>up
>>>well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>>not as versatile as either of these).
>>>
>>>C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>for
>>>mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>dim,
>>>talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
etc.
>>>
>>>Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
in
>>the
>>>project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
>a
>>>single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>>VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>>>which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
mixer.
>>>
>>>That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>
>>>Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions-while were at it [message #73618 is a reply to message #73614] |
Thu, 05 October 2006 11:18 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
|
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Imho.. :) Pro Tools Sounds the best, and works for pretty much for all Genres
fo music and it's mixer is very flexible.
Now, Cubase's editing,workflow, and sound quality makes it a formidiable
weapon, as well as it's price.
For me, SX & Neundo cannot handle the mid to big mixes (40 Plus) with plug-ins,
mixng agressivley. The summing bus (to me) seems to breakdown when.
If you mix safe(staying in the -4 -6 db)ranges on your channels, then SX/neundo
will be fine.
Pro Tools Le/M-Powered-Has that nice, vry true top end sound that's heard
on many records. Sufiice it to, it's very easy to mix on PT (LE/M_)..
"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>
>LaMont and others,
>Who does the best job on the audio side between Cubase and Pro Tools Le?
>I'm still trying to decide between the two. I can get a academic version
>of
>M-Powered Pro Tools le for $150 as long as I want to use M-audio a interface.
>Considering a Project Mix I/O.
>
>respect
>Nappy
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Nuendo and Cubase share the same audio engine..
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>It looks cool. Control room features are nice, but the word is, it's
the
>>>same old Cubase audio engine, not the Nuendo audio engine: (
>>>
>>>
>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>>>>might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
>the
>>>>Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
>>>on a
>>>>VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
>it
>>>has
>>>>superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>>
>>>>C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>>Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>>library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>>presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>
>>>>One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>>Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>>>it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>>>>into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>>addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>>audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo -
>cool
>>>>for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
form
>>>>vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>>of
>>>>Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>>>overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
>Media
>>>>Bay.
>>>>
>>>>The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>>>>more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>>>>some bugs still, of course).
>>>>
>>>>C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>>with
>>>>are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>>delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>>>on
>>>>the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>>>multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>>>eats
>>>>up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
>>is
>>>a
>>>>rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
>a
>>>few
>>>>useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>>>up
>>>>well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>>>not as versatile as either of these).
>>>>
>>>>C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>>for
>>>>mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>>configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>>dim,
>>>>talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
>etc.
>>>>
>>>>Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
>in
>>>the
>>>>project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
>>a
>>>>single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>>>VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>>>>which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
>mixer.
>>>>
>>>>That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>>
>>>>Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions-while were at it [message #73622 is a reply to message #73618] |
Thu, 05 October 2006 12:55 |
Nappy
Messages: 198
Registered: September 2006
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Senior Member |
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Thanks LaMont!
respect
Nappy
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>Imho.. :) Pro Tools Sounds the best, and works for pretty much for all Genres
>fo music and it's mixer is very flexible.
>
>Now, Cubase's editing,workflow, and sound quality makes it a formidiable
>weapon, as well as it's price.
>
>For me, SX & Neundo cannot handle the mid to big mixes (40 Plus) with plug-ins,
>mixng agressivley. The summing bus (to me) seems to breakdown when.
>If you mix safe(staying in the -4 -6 db)ranges on your channels, then SX/neundo
>will be fine.
>
>Pro Tools Le/M-Powered-Has that nice, vry true top end sound that's heard
>on many records. Sufiice it to, it's very easy to mix on PT (LE/M_)..
>"Nappy" <mgrant01@san.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>LaMont and others,
>>Who does the best job on the audio side between Cubase and Pro Tools Le?
>>I'm still trying to decide between the two. I can get a academic version
>>of
>>M-Powered Pro Tools le for $150 as long as I want to use M-audio a interface.
>>Considering a Project Mix I/O.
>>
>>respect
>>Nappy
>>
>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Nuendo and Cubase share the same audio engine..
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>It looks cool. Control room features are nice, but the word is, it's
>the
>>>>same old Cubase audio engine, not the Nuendo audio engine: (
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>>Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its'
own
>>>>>might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
>>the
>>>>>Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to
run
>>>>on a
>>>>>VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
>>it
>>>>has
>>>>>superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>>>
>>>>>C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>>>Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>>>library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>>>presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>>>Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>>>>it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
files
>>>>>into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>>>addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>>>audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
-
>>cool
>>>>>for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
>form
>>>>>vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>>>of
>>>>>Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>>>>overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
>>Media
>>>>>Bay.
>>>>>
>>>>>The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4
feels
>>>>>more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>>>>>some bugs still, of course).
>>>>>
>>>>>C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>>>with
>>>>>are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>>>delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>>>>on
>>>>>the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>>>>multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>>>>eats
>>>>>up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
>>>is
>>>>a
>>>>>rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
>>a
>>>>few
>>>>>useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>>>>up
>>>>>well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>>>>not as versatile as either of these).
>>>>>
>>>>>C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>>>for
>>>>>mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>>>configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>>>dim,
>>>>>talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
>>etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
>>in
>>>>the
>>>>>project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
>>>a
>>>>>single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>>>>VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to
select
>>>>>which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
>>mixer.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>>>
>>>>>Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OT: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73640 is a reply to message #73616] |
Thu, 05 October 2006 19:33 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Senior Member |
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I believe SX 1.0 was the first to implement the new audio engine. Nuendo
2.0 followed - that was the first point at which the two products really
began to merge into a single development cycle with product specific phases.
Now, Cubase 4 and Nuendo 4 are using a new sequencer/midi engine (as I
understand it).
There are bugs in C4, but overall it's a significant upgrade in terms of
fluidity in workflow (I imported a channel preset - various different
plugins) from Nuendo 3.2 to C4 today - worked perfectly, all plugin settings
retained.
Lamont and I will continue to disagree on the existence of a track count
breakdown issue. I've never had a problem mixing in Nuendo regardless of
track count (along with many other Nuendo users) and still contend that if
you can more easily mix 50 tracks in another DAW (audible at the same time,
not just 50 tracks of hit or miss parts), the mixing platform is doing some
EQ and stereo image "management" for you by cutting lows and narrowing the
stereo field. To me, this is a limitation, not an advantage, but to each
their own. We all mix differently and hence will have preferences, even if
the logo is the only technical difference.
Regards,
Dedric
On 10/5/06 10:49 AM, in article 452537a0$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>> Nuendo and Cubase share the same audio engine..
>
> I thought they had moved to that engine years ago, but I read on GS or some
> where people said that it was still using the old Cubase audio engine.
> I've been misinformed.
>
> James
>
>>
>> "James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It looks cool. Control room features are nice, but the word is, it's the
>>> same old Cubase audio engine, not the Nuendo audio engine: (
>>>
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
> the
>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
>>> on a
>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
> it
>>> has
>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>
>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo -
> cool
>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>>> of
>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
> Media
>>>> Bay.
>>>>
>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>>>> some bugs still, of course).
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>> with
>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>>> on
>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>>> eats
>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
>> is
>>> a
>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
> a
>>> few
>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>>> up
>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>> for
>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>> dim,
>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
> etc.
>>>>
>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
> in
>>> the
>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
>> a
>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
> mixer.
>>>>
>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73786 is a reply to message #73524] |
Tue, 10 October 2006 05:27 |
gmmccurdy
Messages: 51
Registered: May 2007
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Member |
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So, no DirectX equals no Waves Plugins?
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
news:C148AA69.3F6B%dterry@keyofd.net...
> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took the
> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run on
> a
> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough it
> has
> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>
> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>
> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo - cool
> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions of
> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
> Media
> Bay.
>
> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
> some bugs still, of course).
>
> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
> with
> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
> on
> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
> eats
> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One is
> a
> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite a
> few
> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand up
> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
> not as versatile as either of these).
>
> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
> for
> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
> dim,
> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes, etc.
>
> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly in
> the
> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only a
> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
> mixer.
>
> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>
> Dedric
>
>
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| Re: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73788 is a reply to message #73786] |
Tue, 10 October 2006 07:07 |
Kim W
Messages: 165
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hi, Mark.
Go here:
http://perso.orange.fr/vb-audio/us/products/dxrack/dxrack.ht m
Scroll down and there is a link to a free fully functional DX-VST
chainer which allows up to four DX plugs to be inserted into a
non-DX compliant host.
It's not often I've needed it in Paris, but it has bailed
me out a few times with older DX plugins which don't play nice.
(Usually the opposite scenario with Paris..)
Preset management works well, too.
Kim
"Mark McCurdy" <gmmccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>So, no DirectX equals no Waves Plugins?
>
>
>
>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>news:C148AA69.3F6B%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
the
>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
on
>> a
>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
it
>> has
>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>
>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>
>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system, catalogs
>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo -
cool
>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
of
>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
>> Media
>> Bay.
>>
>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not without
>> some bugs still, of course).
>>
>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>> with
>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>> on
>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>> eats
>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
is
>> a
>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
a
>> few
>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
up
>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>
>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>> for
>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>> dim,
>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
etc.
>>
>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
in
>> the
>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
a
>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full multi-output
>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to select
>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
>> mixer.
>>
>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73789 is a reply to message #73788] |
Tue, 10 October 2006 07:55 |
gmmccurdy
Messages: 51
Registered: May 2007
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Member |
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Nice.. thx big time.
"Kim W" <no@way.com> wrote in message news:452ba936$1@linux...
>
> Hi, Mark.
> Go here:
>
> http://perso.orange.fr/vb-audio/us/products/dxrack/dxrack.ht m
>
> Scroll down and there is a link to a free fully functional DX-VST
> chainer which allows up to four DX plugs to be inserted into a
> non-DX compliant host.
> It's not often I've needed it in Paris, but it has bailed
> me out a few times with older DX plugins which don't play nice.
> (Usually the opposite scenario with Paris..)
> Preset management works well, too.
> Kim
>
>
>
>
> "Mark McCurdy" <gmmccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>So, no DirectX equals no Waves Plugins?
>>
>>
>>
>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>news:C148AA69.3F6B%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
> the
>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
> on
>>> a
>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
> it
>>> has
>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>
>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>
>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system,
>>> catalogs
>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
>>> files
>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo -
> cool
>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
>>> form
>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
> of
>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
>
>>> Media
>>> Bay.
>>>
>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4
>>> feels
>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not
>>> without
>>> some bugs still, of course).
>>>
>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>
>>> with
>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel
>>> depending
>
>>> on
>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>
>>> eats
>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
> is
>>> a
>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
> a
>>> few
>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
> up
>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world
>>> (albeit
>>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>>
>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>
>>> for
>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>
>>> dim,
>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
> etc.
>>>
>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
> in
>>> the
>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
> a
>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full
>>> multi-output
>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to
>>> select
>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
>
>>> mixer.
>>>
>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73790 is a reply to message #73789] |
Tue, 10 October 2006 08:11 |
Kim W
Messages: 165
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Just found this useful looking tool on VB's site:
http://perso.orange.fr/vb-audio/us/mm/plugman/vb_plugman.htm
It's a plugin manager which apparently lets you remove or reinstate plugins
at will. (without uninstalling..)
Reckon I could use it to tidy up Paris's tiny plugin window.
Haven't tried it yet, though.
Kim
"Mark McCurdy" <gmmccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Nice.. thx big time.
>
>"Kim W" <no@way.com> wrote in message news:452ba936$1@linux...
>>
>> Hi, Mark.
>> Go here:
>>
>> http://perso.orange.fr/vb-audio/us/products/dxrack/dxrack.ht m
>>
>> Scroll down and there is a link to a free fully functional DX-VST
>> chainer which allows up to four DX plugs to be inserted into a
>> non-DX compliant host.
>> It's not often I've needed it in Paris, but it has bailed
>> me out a few times with older DX plugins which don't play nice.
>> (Usually the opposite scenario with Paris..)
>> Preset management works well, too.
>> Kim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Mark McCurdy" <gmmccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>So, no DirectX equals no Waves Plugins?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
>>>news:C148AA69.3F6B%dterry@keyofd.net...
>>>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its'
own
>>>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took
>> the
>>>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to
run
>> on
>>>> a
>>>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough
>> it
>>>> has
>>>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>>>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>>>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>>>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>>>
>>>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>>>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system,
>>>> catalogs
>>>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant
>>>> files
>>>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>>>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>>>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo
-
>> cool
>>>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free
>>>> form
>>>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>> of
>>>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>>>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
>>
>>>> Media
>>>> Bay.
>>>>
>>>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4
>>>> feels
>>>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not
>>>> without
>>>> some bugs still, of course).
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>>
>>>> with
>>>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>>>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel
>>>> depending
>>
>>>> on
>>>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>>>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>>
>>>> eats
>>>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One
>> is
>>>> a
>>>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite
>> a
>>>> few
>>>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>> up
>>>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world
>>>> (albeit
>>>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>>>
>>>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>>
>>>> for
>>>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>>>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>>
>>>> dim,
>>>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
>> etc.
>>>>
>>>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly
>> in
>>>> the
>>>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only
>> a
>>>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full
>>>> multi-output
>>>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to
>>>> select
>>>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
>>
>>>> mixer.
>>>>
>>>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Cubase 4 first impressions [message #73890 is a reply to message #73786] |
Thu, 12 October 2006 05:18 |
gmmccurdy
Messages: 51
Registered: May 2007
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Ok, I received my upgrade last night and installed it. Wow, very nice! :)
The cool part is my Waves Plugins are all there and working like a charm. I
did loose my AutoTune but then again when I have used it in the past it was
always within Wavelab. Steinberg did add nice new plugins to the mix.
They've always had the "cheesy" reverb, delay and compressors but they've
revamped them and with the little I played with them last night they are not
half bad.
I also loaded up a few of my SX3 mixes and noticed the CPU performance was
improved. One mix I had in particular used to really push my CPU usage but
after opening it in Version 4 I noticed the CPU usage was dropped.
"Mark McCurdy" <gmmccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:452b8fad$1@linux...
> So, no DirectX equals no Waves Plugins?
>
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> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote in message
> news:C148AA69.3F6B%dterry@keyofd.net...
>> Thought some of you that use Cubase or Nuendo with Paris or on its' own
>> might be interested in this if you haven't upgraded yet, etc. I took the
>> Nuendo users' offer to get it for $199 (separate license/dongle) to run
>> on a
>> VST System link slave PC, though I'm enjoying the new features enough it
>> has
>> superceded Nuendo 3.2 temporarily on my main system.
>>
>> C4 adds drag and drop inserts (to and from any channel, or the library).
>> Very handy, and a much needed addition. There is an extensive
>> library/preset capability to C4 to greatly speed up saving and loading
>> presets for plugins, channels, VSTi's, mixers, etc.
>>
>> One of the biggest new and unsung features is the Media Bay (and Sound
>> Frame, and Loop browser) which accesses all media on your system,
>> catalogs
>> it by type and allows you to search, filter, drag and drop relevant files
>> into your project - there is of course a preview for audio files, in
>> addition to the ability to preview in context (e.g. project plays back,
>> audio file plays in time, time stretched to match the project tempo -
>> cool
>> for loops that are cut to measure boundaries, not as useful for free form
>> vocal tracks, etc). Sound Frame and the Loop browser are just versions
>> of
>> Media Bay with filters for audio and loops enabled, respectively. Not
>> overly different, but perhaps saves a step over turning on filters in
>> Media
>> Bay.
>>
>> The sequencer engine has been rewritten from what I understand. C4 feels
>> more tightly integrated than Nuendo 3.2. It runs really well (not
>> without
>> some bugs still, of course).
>>
>> C4 adds VST3.0 support, and new built in VST3 plugins. The new plugins
>> with
>> are actually very good - new EQs, compressors, expander, gate, chorus,
>> delays, etc. They will operate in mono, stereo or multichannel depending
>> on
>> the channel format they are inserted on (the delays and chorus are not
>> multichannel unfortunately). Btw, a 5.1 instance of the multiband comp
>> eats
>> up a lot of cpu power. The new VSTi's are also very good - Halion One is
>> a
>> rompler based on the Motif to some degree - no editing, but has quite a
>> few
>> useful presets. The other VSTi's are quite nice and creative and stand
>> up
>> well along side the Raptures and Absynths of the soft synth world (albeit
>> not as versatile as either of these).
>>
>> C4 adds the Control Room that is already in Nuendo 3.2 - a great feature
>> for
>> mixerless setups, esp. with key commands for switching between speaker
>> configs (multichannel, stereo, mono, etc), 4 different monitor outputs,
>> dim,
>> talkback, monitor source selects, studio configs for headphone mixes,
>> etc.
>>
>> Instrument tracks are a quick way to add a VSTi with a track directly in
>> the
>> project window (doesn't use the VSTi rack). The only downside is only a
>> single stereo out is used. The VSTi rack still supports full
>> multi-output
>> VSTi's, but adds a dropdown list on a button next to each insert to
>> select
>> which outputs are enabled - easing the clutter of VSTi outputs in the
>> mixer.
>>
>> That's enough for now. fwiw...
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>>
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