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| Re: Disk Clone Advise [message #72920 is a reply to message #72907] |
Fri, 22 September 2006 12:50   |
JCampbell
Messages: 18
Registered: September 2006
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BTW, David, are you still doing any "final" mixing in Paris in order to
impart that special flavor? I don't know what kind of material you
usually do which would probably affect your decision making in that
department. And are you in the bay area?
To be quite honest, I'm no pro mixer and need one for a documentary I'm
scoring. Ordinarily I would and could do it myself and be just fine.
However, I want to take this to a different level for "my reel". Do
you know of anyone around here, or there, that's Paris savvy and really
good? What about you?
Hope this post isn't inappropriate for where the NG is at these days.
Thanks, Jim
EK Sound wrote:
> Hi Jim,
>
> Nice to see you back.
>
> David.
>
> JCampbell wrote:
>> Well, I'm back to the fray and will not ditch Paris. Awfully glad
>> this NG still exists. So, some questions: Will cloning your system
>> drive lose the Paris reg/ilok or whatever the hell it is? Also, I've
>> got a two card set up with a MEC and want to add my old Interface
>> 442. Do they have to be clocked to each other? I'm also looking for
>> a friendly tech to help me work out a patch bay/routing scenario (I'm
>> near Hollywood and this is not a request for a freebee). Oh, and are
>> there any LA (or greater LA) folks mixing professionally on Paris
>> these days?
>>
>> Guess that'll do it for the time being. Thanks very much in advance.
>>
>> All the best, Jim
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| Re: Disk Clone Advise [message #72921 is a reply to message #72920] |
Fri, 22 September 2006 13:01 |
JCampbell
Messages: 18
Registered: September 2006
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Oh, I just checked your web site and you're in Calgary. Nice spot but
not exactly around the corner from me. Sorry.
Regards, Jim
JCampbell wrote:
> BTW, David, are you still doing any "final" mixing in Paris in order to
> impart that special flavor? I don't know what kind of material you
> usually do which would probably affect your decision making in that
> department. And are you in the bay area?
>
> To be quite honest, I'm no pro mixer and need one for a documentary I'm
> scoring. Ordinarily I would and could do it myself and be just fine.
> However, I want to take this to a different level for "my reel". Do
> you know of anyone around here, or there, that's Paris savvy and really
> good? What about you?
>
> Hope this post isn't inappropriate for where the NG is at these days.
>
> Thanks, Jim
>
>
> EK Sound wrote:
>> Hi Jim,
>>
>> Nice to see you back.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> JCampbell wrote:
>>> Well, I'm back to the fray and will not ditch Paris. Awfully glad
>>> this NG still exists. So, some questions: Will cloning your system
>>> drive lose the Paris reg/ilok or whatever the hell it is? Also, I've
>>> got a two card set up with a MEC and want to add my old Interface
>>> 442. Do they have to be clocked to each other? I'm also looking for
>>> a friendly tech to help me work out a patch bay/routing scenario (I'm
>>> near Hollywood and this is not a request for a freebee). Oh, and are
>>> there any LA (or greater LA) folks mixing professionally on Paris
>>> these days?
>>>
>>> Guess that'll do it for the time being. Thanks very much in advance.
>>>
>>> All the best, Jim
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| Re: Disk Clone Advise [message #72922 is a reply to message #72921] |
Fri, 22 September 2006 14:01 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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:-) unless it's a really big corner!
We have a bit of a DJ-esque set-up here. I am currently tracking to
Nuendo (and soon PTHD) and using Paris as stem summing for 44/48
sessions. Any of the 96K stuff is mixed in the respective program
(not that I have actually done any 96K stuff yet). I fond that
summing in Paris helps glue the mix together. Once we get HD in the
fray things may change somewhat.
David.
JCampbell wrote:
> Oh, I just checked your web site and you're in Calgary. Nice spot but
> not exactly around the corner from me. Sorry.
>
> Regards, Jim
>
>
>
> JCampbell wrote:
>
>> BTW, David, are you still doing any "final" mixing in Paris in order
>> to impart that special flavor? I don't know what kind of material you
>> usually do which would probably affect your decision making in that
>> department. And are you in the bay area?
>>
>> To be quite honest, I'm no pro mixer and need one for a documentary
>> I'm scoring. Ordinarily I would and could do it myself and be just
>> fine. However, I want to take this to a different level for "my
>> reel". Do you know of anyone around here, or there, that's Paris
>> savvy and really good? What about you?
>>
>> Hope this post isn't inappropriate for where the NG is at these days.
>>
>> Thanks, Jim
>>
>>
>> EK Sound wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Jim,
>>>
>>> Nice to see you back.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> JCampbell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I'm back to the fray and will not ditch Paris. Awfully glad
>>>> this NG still exists. So, some questions: Will cloning your system
>>>> drive lose the Paris reg/ilok or whatever the hell it is? Also,
>>>> I've got a two card set up with a MEC and want to add my old
>>>> Interface 442. Do they have to be clocked to each other? I'm also
>>>> looking for a friendly tech to help me work out a patch bay/routing
>>>> scenario (I'm near Hollywood and this is not a request for a
>>>> freebee). Oh, and are there any LA (or greater LA) folks mixing
>>>> professionally on Paris these days?
>>>>
>>>> Guess that'll do it for the time being. Thanks very much in advance.
>>>>
>>>> All the best, Jim
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| Re: Disk Clone Advise [message #72927 is a reply to message #72922] |
Fri, 22 September 2006 16:35 |
JCampbell
Messages: 18
Registered: September 2006
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Junior Member |
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Ha... no kidding.
I've got to make a change, from Logic 5.5 (pc), to something else. Am
leaning towards Nuendo and would be
doing the same thing as you in Paris. Has Nuendo been relatively
painless? If I do jump it won't be until Nuendo 4
comes out and the early adopters have done their fair share of the
"beta" testing. Good luck with PTHD.
Jim
EK Sound wrote:
> :-) unless it's a really big corner!
>
> We have a bit of a DJ-esque set-up here. I am currently tracking to
> Nuendo (and soon PTHD) and using Paris as stem summing for 44/48
> sessions. Any of the 96K stuff is mixed in the respective program (not
> that I have actually done any 96K stuff yet). I fond that summing in
> Paris helps glue the mix together. Once we get HD in the fray things
> may change somewhat.
>
> David.
>
> JCampbell wrote:
>> Oh, I just checked your web site and you're in Calgary. Nice spot but
>> not exactly around the corner from me. Sorry.
>>
>> Regards, Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> JCampbell wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, David, are you still doing any "final" mixing in Paris in order
>>> to impart that special flavor? I don't know what kind of material
>>> you usually do which would probably affect your decision making in
>>> that department. And are you in the bay area?
>>>
>>> To be quite honest, I'm no pro mixer and need one for a documentary
>>> I'm scoring. Ordinarily I would and could do it myself and be just
>>> fine. However, I want to take this to a different level for "my
>>> reel". Do you know of anyone around here, or there, that's Paris
>>> savvy and really good? What about you?
>>>
>>> Hope this post isn't inappropriate for where the NG is at these days.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> EK Sound wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Nice to see you back.
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> JCampbell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I'm back to the fray and will not ditch Paris. Awfully glad
>>>>> this NG still exists. So, some questions: Will cloning your
>>>>> system drive lose the Paris reg/ilok or whatever the hell it is?
>>>>> Also, I've got a two card set up with a MEC and want to add my old
>>>>> Interface 442. Do they have to be clocked to each other? I'm also
>>>>> looking for a friendly tech to help me work out a patch bay/routing
>>>>> scenario (I'm near Hollywood and this is not a request for a
>>>>> freebee). Oh, and are there any LA (or greater LA) folks mixing
>>>>> professionally on Paris these days?
>>>>>
>>>>> Guess that'll do it for the time being. Thanks very much in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best, Jim
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| Re: Disk Clone Advise [message #72931 is a reply to message #72922] |
Fri, 22 September 2006 18:27 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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Curious man... why wouldn't you still use Paris to glue using A/D/A and the
Paris bus as a master insert plug on a 96k rig?
AA
"EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:45144d53$1@linux...
> :-) unless it's a really big corner!
>
> We have a bit of a DJ-esque set-up here. I am currently tracking to Nuendo
> (and soon PTHD) and using Paris as stem summing for 44/48 sessions. Any
> of the 96K stuff is mixed in the respective program (not that I have
> actually done any 96K stuff yet). I fond that summing in Paris helps glue
> the mix together. Once we get HD in the fray things may change somewhat.
>
> David.
>
> JCampbell wrote:
>> Oh, I just checked your web site and you're in Calgary. Nice spot but
>> not exactly around the corner from me. Sorry.
>>
>> Regards, Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> JCampbell wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, David, are you still doing any "final" mixing in Paris in order to
>>> impart that special flavor? I don't know what kind of material you
>>> usually do which would probably affect your decision making in that
>>> department. And are you in the bay area?
>>>
>>> To be quite honest, I'm no pro mixer and need one for a documentary I'm
>>> scoring. Ordinarily I would and could do it myself and be just fine.
>>> However, I want to take this to a different level for "my reel". Do
>>> you know of anyone around here, or there, that's Paris savvy and really
>>> good? What about you?
>>>
>>> Hope this post isn't inappropriate for where the NG is at these days.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Jim
>>>
>>>
>>> EK Sound wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>
>>>> Nice to see you back.
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> JCampbell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, I'm back to the fray and will not ditch Paris. Awfully glad
>>>>> this NG still exists. So, some questions: Will cloning your system
>>>>> drive lose the Paris reg/ilok or whatever the hell it is? Also, I've
>>>>> got a two card set up with a MEC and want to add my old Interface 442.
>>>>> Do they have to be clocked to each other? I'm also looking for a
>>>>> friendly tech to help me work out a patch bay/routing scenario (I'm
>>>>> near Hollywood and this is not a request for a freebee). Oh, and are
>>>>> there any LA (or greater LA) folks mixing professionally on Paris
>>>>> these days?
>>>>>
>>>>> Guess that'll do it for the time being. Thanks very much in advance.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best, Jim
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| Re: Disk Clone Advise [message #72936 is a reply to message #72927] |
Fri, 22 September 2006 19:59 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
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Senior Member |
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I am actually really digging N3... if it weren't for our
clients walking away because we don't have PT, I would stay
with Nuendo.
David.
JCampbell wrote:
> Ha... no kidding.
>
> I've got to make a change, from Logic 5.5 (pc), to something else. Am
> leaning towards Nuendo and would be
> doing the same thing as you in Paris. Has Nuendo been relatively
> painless? If I do jump it won't be until Nuendo 4
> comes out and the early adopters have done their fair share of the
> "beta" testing. Good luck with PTHD.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> EK Sound wrote:
>
>> :-) unless it's a really big corner!
>>
>> We have a bit of a DJ-esque set-up here. I am currently tracking to
>> Nuendo (and soon PTHD) and using Paris as stem summing for 44/48
>> sessions. Any of the 96K stuff is mixed in the respective program
>> (not that I have actually done any 96K stuff yet). I fond that
>> summing in Paris helps glue the mix together. Once we get HD in the
>> fray things may change somewhat.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> JCampbell wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, I just checked your web site and you're in Calgary. Nice spot
>>> but not exactly around the corner from me. Sorry.
>>>
>>> Regards, Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> JCampbell wrote:
>>>
>>>> BTW, David, are you still doing any "final" mixing in Paris in
>>>> order to impart that special flavor? I don't know what kind of
>>>> material you usually do which would probably affect your decision
>>>> making in that department. And are you in the bay area?
>>>>
>>>> To be quite honest, I'm no pro mixer and need one for a documentary
>>>> I'm scoring. Ordinarily I would and could do it myself and be just
>>>> fine. However, I want to take this to a different level for "my
>>>> reel". Do you know of anyone around here, or there, that's Paris
>>>> savvy and really good? What about you?
>>>>
>>>> Hope this post isn't inappropriate for where the NG is at these days.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> EK Sound wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>> Nice to see you back.
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>> JCampbell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I'm back to the fray and will not ditch Paris. Awfully glad
>>>>>> this NG still exists. So, some questions: Will cloning your
>>>>>> system drive lose the Paris reg/ilok or whatever the hell it is?
>>>>>> Also, I've got a two card set up with a MEC and want to add my old
>>>>>> Interface 442. Do they have to be clocked to each other? I'm
>>>>>> also looking for a friendly tech to help me work out a patch
>>>>>> bay/routing scenario (I'm near Hollywood and this is not a request
>>>>>> for a freebee). Oh, and are there any LA (or greater LA) folks
>>>>>> mixing professionally on Paris these days?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guess that'll do it for the time being. Thanks very much in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best, Jim
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| Re: Disk Clone Advise [message #72937 is a reply to message #72931] |
Fri, 22 September 2006 20:01 |
audioguy_editout_
Messages: 249
Registered: December 2005
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Senior Member |
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Well... we do have 32 analog ins on Paris... so I could
still sum the stems that way! :-) If it ever comes up I'll
give it a go.
David.
Aaron Allen wrote:
> Curious man... why wouldn't you still use Paris to glue using A/D/A and the
> Paris bus as a master insert plug on a 96k rig?
>
> AA
>
> "EK Sound" <askme@nospam.com> wrote in message news:45144d53$1@linux...
>
>>:-) unless it's a really big corner!
>>
>>We have a bit of a DJ-esque set-up here. I am currently tracking to Nuendo
>>(and soon PTHD) and using Paris as stem summing for 44/48 sessions. Any
>>of the 96K stuff is mixed in the respective program (not that I have
>>actually done any 96K stuff yet). I fond that summing in Paris helps glue
>>the mix together. Once we get HD in the fray things may change somewhat.
>>
>>David.
>>
>>JCampbell wrote:
>>
>>>Oh, I just checked your web site and you're in Calgary. Nice spot but
>>>not exactly around the corner from me. Sorry.
>>>
>>>Regards, Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>JCampbell wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>BTW, David, are you still doing any "final" mixing in Paris in order to
>>>>impart that special flavor? I don't know what kind of material you
>>>>usually do which would probably affect your decision making in that
>>>>department. And are you in the bay area?
>>>>
>>>>To be quite honest, I'm no pro mixer and need one for a documentary I'm
>>>>scoring. Ordinarily I would and could do it myself and be just fine.
>>>>However, I want to take this to a different level for "my reel". Do
>>>>you know of anyone around here, or there, that's Paris savvy and really
>>>>good? What about you?
>>>>
>>>>Hope this post isn't inappropriate for where the NG is at these days.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks, Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>EK Sound wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hi Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>>Nice to see you back.
>>>>>
>>>>>David.
>>>>>
>>>>>JCampbell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, I'm back to the fray and will not ditch Paris. Awfully glad
>>>>>>this NG still exists. So, some questions: Will cloning your system
>>>>>>drive lose the Paris reg/ilok or whatever the hell it is? Also, I've
>>>>>>got a two card set up with a MEC and want to add my old Interface 442.
>>>>>>Do they have to be clocked to each other? I'm also looking for a
>>>>>>friendly tech to help me work out a patch bay/routing scenario (I'm
>>>>>>near Hollywood and this is not a request for a freebee). Oh, and are
>>>>>>there any LA (or greater LA) folks mixing professionally on Paris
>>>>>>these days?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Guess that'll do it for the time being. Thanks very much in advance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All the best, Jim
>
>
>
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| Re: Disk Clone Advise [message #72952 is a reply to message #72936] |
Sat, 23 September 2006 12:59 |
JCampbell
Messages: 18
Registered: September 2006
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Junior Member |
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Good to hear.
Bad to hear clients continue to fall for the digi thing. Awfully glad I
don't have to deal with that. Never the less, I
hope the switch does well by you.
Jim
Dave(EK Sound) wrote:
> I am actually really digging N3... if it weren't for our clients walking
> away because we don't have PT, I would stay with Nuendo.
>
> David.
>
> JCampbell wrote:
>> Ha... no kidding.
>>
>> I've got to make a change, from Logic 5.5 (pc), to something else. Am
>> leaning towards Nuendo and would be
>> doing the same thing as you in Paris. Has Nuendo been relatively
>> painless? If I do jump it won't be until Nuendo 4
>> comes out and the early adopters have done their fair share of the
>> "beta" testing. Good luck with PTHD.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> EK Sound wrote:
>>
>>> :-) unless it's a really big corner!
>>>
>>> We have a bit of a DJ-esque set-up here. I am currently tracking to
>>> Nuendo (and soon PTHD) and using Paris as stem summing for 44/48
>>> sessions. Any of the 96K stuff is mixed in the respective program
>>> (not that I have actually done any 96K stuff yet). I fond that
>>> summing in Paris helps glue the mix together. Once we get HD in the
>>> fray things may change somewhat.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> JCampbell wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh, I just checked your web site and you're in Calgary. Nice spot
>>>> but not exactly around the corner from me. Sorry.
>>>>
>>>> Regards, Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> JCampbell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> BTW, David, are you still doing any "final" mixing in Paris in
>>>>> order to impart that special flavor? I don't know what kind of
>>>>> material you usually do which would probably affect your decision
>>>>> making in that department. And are you in the bay area?
>>>>>
>>>>> To be quite honest, I'm no pro mixer and need one for a documentary
>>>>> I'm scoring. Ordinarily I would and could do it myself and be
>>>>> just fine. However, I want to take this to a different level for
>>>>> "my reel". Do you know of anyone around here, or there, that's
>>>>> Paris savvy and really good? What about you?
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this post isn't inappropriate for where the NG is at these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> EK Sound wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nice to see you back.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JCampbell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I'm back to the fray and will not ditch Paris. Awfully
>>>>>>> glad this NG still exists. So, some questions: Will cloning
>>>>>>> your system drive lose the Paris reg/ilok or whatever the hell it
>>>>>>> is? Also, I've got a two card set up with a MEC and want to add
>>>>>>> my old Interface 442. Do they have to be clocked to each other?
>>>>>>> I'm also looking for a friendly tech to help me work out a patch
>>>>>>> bay/routing scenario (I'm near Hollywood and this is not a
>>>>>>> request for a freebee). Oh, and are there any LA (or greater LA)
>>>>>>> folks mixing professionally on Paris these days?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Guess that'll do it for the time being. Thanks very much in
>>>>>>> advance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the best, Jim
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| Re: Disk Clone Advise [message #73040 is a reply to message #72952] |
Mon, 25 September 2006 08:20 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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Hey Jim,
Not switching, just adding more options. Paris isn't going anywhere...
David.
JCampbell wrote:
> Good to hear.
>
> Bad to hear clients continue to fall for the digi thing. Awfully glad I
> don't have to deal with that. Never the less, I
> hope the switch does well by you.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> Dave(EK Sound) wrote:
>
>> I am actually really digging N3... if it weren't for our clients
>> walking away because we don't have PT, I would stay with Nuendo.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> JCampbell wrote:
>>
>>> Ha... no kidding.
>>>
>>> I've got to make a change, from Logic 5.5 (pc), to something else.
>>> Am leaning towards Nuendo and would be
>>> doing the same thing as you in Paris. Has Nuendo been relatively
>>> painless? If I do jump it won't be until Nuendo 4
>>> comes out and the early adopters have done their fair share of the
>>> "beta" testing. Good luck with PTHD.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> EK Sound wrote:
>>>
>>>> :-) unless it's a really big corner!
>>>>
>>>> We have a bit of a DJ-esque set-up here. I am currently tracking to
>>>> Nuendo (and soon PTHD) and using Paris as stem summing for 44/48
>>>> sessions. Any of the 96K stuff is mixed in the respective program
>>>> (not that I have actually done any 96K stuff yet). I fond that
>>>> summing in Paris helps glue the mix together. Once we get HD in the
>>>> fray things may change somewhat.
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> JCampbell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oh, I just checked your web site and you're in Calgary. Nice spot
>>>>> but not exactly around the corner from me. Sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards, Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> JCampbell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> BTW, David, are you still doing any "final" mixing in Paris in
>>>>>> order to impart that special flavor? I don't know what kind of
>>>>>> material you usually do which would probably affect your decision
>>>>>> making in that department. And are you in the bay area?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To be quite honest, I'm no pro mixer and need one for a
>>>>>> documentary I'm scoring. Ordinarily I would and could do it
>>>>>> myself and be just fine. However, I want to take this to a
>>>>>> different level for "my reel". Do you know of anyone around
>>>>>> here, or there, that's Paris savvy and really good? What about you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope this post isn't inappropriate for where the NG is at these days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks, Jim
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> EK Sound wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Jim,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nice to see you back.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JCampbell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, I'm back to the fray and will not ditch Paris. Awfully
>>>>>>>> glad this NG still exists. So, some questions: Will cloning
>>>>>>>> your system drive lose the Paris reg/ilok or whatever the hell
>>>>>>>> it is? Also, I've got a two card set up with a MEC and want to
>>>>>>>> add my old Interface 442. Do they have to be clocked to each
>>>>>>>> other? I'm also looking for a friendly tech to help me work out
>>>>>>>> a patch bay/routing scenario (I'm near Hollywood and this is not
>>>>>>>> a request for a freebee). Oh, and are there any LA (or greater
>>>>>>>> LA) folks mixing professionally on Paris these days?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Guess that'll do it for the time being. Thanks very much in
>>>>>>>> advance.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the best, Jim
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