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another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77195] Tue, 19 December 2006 05:43 Go to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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Registered: June 2006
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, ...
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Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from my UAD-1
plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my Paris
rig, what issues would I have to deal with? Would I have the new UAD-1 FX,
like the Neve EQs? How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC? Does having
a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?

And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to Nuendo
- would I be able to stick my Mac? Or would I do better w/ PC? Does Nuendo
have automatic latency compensation? Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the sound?
Are any of you summing externally?

So many questions.

Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!

Gantt


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77196 is a reply to message #77195] Tue, 19 December 2006 06:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rod Lincoln is currently offline  Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
Senior Member
My Paris rig is pretty darn stable. AMD 2 gig single core Asus S-733 Mobo.
I'm running 3 Uad cards and 6 eds cards okn a Magma.
Never heard a click, whistle, or pop (except the pops that the eds cards
make at boot up)
Rod
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from my
UAD-1
>plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my Paris
>rig, what issues would I have to deal with? Would I have the new UAD-1
FX,
>like the Neve EQs? How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC? Does having
>a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?
>
>And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to Nuendo
>- would I be able to stick my Mac? Or would I do better w/ PC? Does Nuendo
>have automatic latency compensation? Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the
sound?
> Are any of you summing externally?
>
>So many questions.
>
>Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!
>
>Gantt
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77197 is a reply to message #77195] Tue, 19 December 2006 08:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
Senior Member
Gannt, is it possible you have an underpowered power supply for
the task of running the Paris cards plus the UAD's (or that the
PSU may be going bad)? I mean, that's generally the most common
cause of popping & clicking, etc.

OR... is it only popping & clicking at the start of waveforms &
on edits/punches? I recall having a couple of Waves plugins that
did that in Paris - wonder if it might be the same kind of thing
going on? If so, I remedied that by recording a couple seconds
of empty space right before the original waveform actually
started, then automating the mute function so what would happen
is that the pulgin would trigger and pop before the waveform came
in in the silent (and muted) portion & then it would un-mute
right before the waveform actually started. I can't recall what
I did on the edits/punches, though - it may have been a
crossfade thing or I may have had to render/bounce those
portions as a single trackfile.

Just tossing out ideas here... sorry for the redundancy if
you've already checked these things.

Neil




"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from my
UAD-1
>plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my Paris
>rig, what issues would I have to deal with? Would I have the new UAD-1
FX,
>like the Neve EQs? How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC? Does having
>a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?
>
>And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to Nuendo
>- would I be able to stick my Mac? Or would I do better w/ PC? Does Nuendo
>have automatic latency compensation? Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the
sound?
> Are any of you summing externally?
>
>So many questions.
>
>Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!
>
>Gantt
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77198 is a reply to message #77197] Tue, 19 December 2006 08:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Neil is currently offline  Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
Senior Member
Oh, BTW, having said all that - I think you're a perfect
candidate for "conversion", my son lol
Yes, Nuendo (and SX) have latency compensation, and as far as
your question about summing externally goes, I've tried this
combination recently (mixed in SX, summed in Paris via analog
outs - 4 stereo submixes into an 8-in module), and the results
don't suck. Not sure if it's exactly the sound I'm looking for,
but I did like certain aspects of it - tends to "warm up" the
mix a bit & kinda sounded a little smoother than a pure ITB
Native mix.

Neil



"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Gannt, is it possible you have an underpowered power supply for
>the task of running the Paris cards plus the UAD's (or that the
>PSU may be going bad)? I mean, that's generally the most common
>cause of popping & clicking, etc.
>
>OR... is it only popping & clicking at the start of waveforms &
>on edits/punches? I recall having a couple of Waves plugins that
>did that in Paris - wonder if it might be the same kind of thing
>going on? If so, I remedied that by recording a couple seconds
>of empty space right before the original waveform actually
>started, then automating the mute function so what would happen
>is that the pulgin would trigger and pop before the waveform came
>in in the silent (and muted) portion & then it would un-mute
>right before the waveform actually started. I can't recall what
>I did on the edits/punches, though - it may have been a
>crossfade thing or I may have had to render/bounce those
>portions as a single trackfile.
>
>Just tossing out ideas here... sorry for the redundancy if
>you've already checked these things.
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from my
>UAD-1
>>plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my Paris
>>rig, what issues would I have to deal with? Would I have the new UAD-1
>FX,
>>like the Neve EQs? How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC? Does having
>>a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?
>>
>>And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to Nuendo
>>- would I be able to stick my Mac? Or would I do better w/ PC? Does Nuendo
>>have automatic latency compensation? Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the
>sound?
>> Are any of you summing externally?
>>
>>So many questions.
>>
>>Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!
>>
>>Gantt
>
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77200 is a reply to message #77198] Tue, 19 December 2006 09:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1206
Registered: July 2005
Senior Member
I too have experienced the pops as a result of plugins...my solution to this
is to take a full song length track, copy it, apply a gain reduction of 90db
and rename it empty audio...then make a copy of it, put it on an open track
and cut and paste all the edits from the offending track onto this track
then move it back to the track where the edits came from...works like a
charm.

That being said I do believe we're probably looking at a hardware issue with
Gantt's set up...and I'm sorry having played with Nuendo and SX they suck
donkey balls...PT Rules.....nuff said!

:-) <- pointing out smiley

DOn


"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4588080a$1@linux...
>
> Oh, BTW, having said all that - I think you're a perfect
> candidate for "conversion", my son lol
> Yes, Nuendo (and SX) have latency compensation, and as far as
> your question about summing externally goes, I've tried this
> combination recently (mixed in SX, summed in Paris via analog
> outs - 4 stereo submixes into an 8-in module), and the results
> don't suck. Not sure if it's exactly the sound I'm looking for,
> but I did like certain aspects of it - tends to "warm up" the
> mix a bit & kinda sounded a little smoother than a pure ITB
> Native mix.
>
> Neil
>
>
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>Gannt, is it possible you have an underpowered power supply for
>>the task of running the Paris cards plus the UAD's (or that the
>>PSU may be going bad)? I mean, that's generally the most common
>>cause of popping & clicking, etc.
>>
>>OR... is it only popping & clicking at the start of waveforms &
>>on edits/punches? I recall having a couple of Waves plugins that
>>did that in Paris - wonder if it might be the same kind of thing
>>going on? If so, I remedied that by recording a couple seconds
>>of empty space right before the original waveform actually
>>started, then automating the mute function so what would happen
>>is that the pulgin would trigger and pop before the waveform came
>>in in the silent (and muted) portion & then it would un-mute
>>right before the waveform actually started. I can't recall what
>>I did on the edits/punches, though - it may have been a
>>crossfade thing or I may have had to render/bounce those
>>portions as a single trackfile.
>>
>>Just tossing out ideas here... sorry for the redundancy if
>>you've already checked these things.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from my
>>UAD-1
>>>plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my
>>>Paris
>>>rig, what issues would I have to deal with? Would I have the new UAD-1
>>FX,
>>>like the Neve EQs? How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC? Does
>>>having
>>>a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?
>>>
>>>And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to Nuendo
>>>- would I be able to stick my Mac? Or would I do better w/ PC? Does
>>>Nuendo
>>>have automatic latency compensation? Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the
>>sound?
>>> Are any of you summing externally?
>>>
>>>So many questions.
>>>
>>>Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!
>>>
>>>Gantt
>>
>
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77201 is a reply to message #77196] Tue, 19 December 2006 12:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
emarenot is currently offline  emarenot   UNITED STATES
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Registered: June 2005
Senior Member
Hey Rod,
Side question. I'm running the same mobo and I've been thinking about
upping the RAM -what brand are you using?
MR
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4587eb20$1@linux...
>
> My Paris rig is pretty darn stable. AMD 2 gig single core Asus S-733 Mobo.
> I'm running 3 Uad cards and 6 eds cards okn a Magma.
> Never heard a click, whistle, or pop (except the pops that the eds cards
> make at boot up)
> Rod
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from my
> UAD-1
> >plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my
Paris
> >rig, what issues would I have to deal with? Would I have the new UAD-1
> FX,
> >like the Neve EQs? How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC? Does
having
> >a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?
> >
> >And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to Nuendo
> >- would I be able to stick my Mac? Or would I do better w/ PC? Does
Nuendo
> >have automatic latency compensation? Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the
> sound?
> > Are any of you summing externally?
> >
> >So many questions.
> >
> >Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!
> >
> >Gantt
>
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77202 is a reply to message #77195] Tue, 19 December 2006 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
emarenot is currently offline  emarenot   UNITED STATES
Messages: 345
Registered: June 2005
Senior Member
Gantt
I'd also suggest checking out the power supply.
But if you're considering a switch to a PC. I've been running Paris, like
Rod, on an Asus A7s333 for a few years now. I'm currently having a problem
with the Paris driver, but other than that, that rig has been stable.
Though, I don't have an UDA plugs, just Waves stuff, and freebie VST's.
Good luck
MR

"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4587de86$1@linux...
>
> Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from my
UAD-1
> plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my Paris
> rig, what issues would I have to deal with? Would I have the new UAD-1
FX,
> like the Neve EQs? How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC? Does
having
> a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?
>
> And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to Nuendo
> - would I be able to stick my Mac? Or would I do better w/ PC? Does
Nuendo
> have automatic latency compensation? Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the
sound?
> Are any of you summing externally?
>
> So many questions.
>
> Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!
>
> Gantt
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77205 is a reply to message #77195] Tue, 19 December 2006 10:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris Ludwig is currently offline  Chris Ludwig   UNITED STATES
Messages: 868
Registered: May 2006
Senior Member
Hi Gantt,
You really should find a way to test the Paris and UAD cards you have in
another MAC before you go crazy with upgrades.


Gantt Kushner wrote:
> Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from my UAD-1
> plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my Paris
> rig, what issues would I have to deal with?

Learning a completely different GUI. A separate set of issues than the
MAC has.
Would I have the new UAD-1 FX,
> like the Neve EQs?
Don't know if the new ones will work in Paris on the PC side or not.
They do work in all the other DAWs out there.

How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC?

Rock Solid if it is on older PC hardware from 4 to 6 years ago using
Windows 98SE. It will work pretty good with some tweaking on newer
hardware on XP.

Does having
> a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?

No. The current faster processors will allow for Paris to run more
native plug ins even if Paris is not using both CPUs.

>
> And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to Nuendo
> - would I be able to stick my Mac?

For MAC you would new a pre-Intel G5 and a high quality sound interface
if you want to use Nuendo. You can use a new Intel based G5 with Cubase
4, Logic and I believe DP also. You would have to sell you UAD cards and
get the PCI-e versions or get a PCI to PCI-e expansions chassis for the
Intel G5. It does not have any PCI slots. You will also need to check to
see if you use any other native plug-ins with Paris to make sure they
have Intel Mac support.



Or would I do better w/ PC?
In order for Apple to progress they had to go to PC hardware platform.
To me the main differences are you have a different OS GUI and on the PC
side you have better choices with Motherboard and Case configurations
which allow for more internal drive and hardware configurations.
otherwise there is very little difference.

Does Nuendo
> have automatic latency compensation?
They were the first and still do it he best.
Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the sound?

The "sound" is effected more by the audio hardware you have and by how
you mix in the program. You have to mix very differently in native
systems than you do in Paris.

> Are any of you summing externally?

Allot on people mix on the console like people do with Pro Tools. They
are comfortable with it that way and the analog/digital mixer adds it
sound to the mix in a way that they like.
Cubase/Nuendo offers allot of flexibility in running ITB only or
integrating with a analog outboard system.

>
> So many questions.
>
> Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!
>
> Gantt


If you only really need what Paris offers along with the UAD then I
would just conform the functionality of the Paris and UAD hardware. If
they work fine then check into picking up a used G4 and continue with
the way you are working now. Anything else will potentially be a large
investment of time and money whether it be PC or MAC.



--
Chris Ludwig

ADK Pro Audio
(859) 635-5762
www.adkproaudio.com
chrisl@adkproaudio.com
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77207 is a reply to message #77201] Tue, 19 December 2006 10:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Aaron Allen is currently offline  Aaron Allen   UNITED STATES
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
Senior Member
Samsung is the recommended, but I'm using Crucial w/o any trouble on two of
these Sis Asus mobos.

www.crucial.com

AA

"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:45881dcc@linux...
> Hey Rod,
> Side question. I'm running the same mobo and I've been thinking about
> upping the RAM -what brand are you using?
> MR
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:4587eb20$1@linux...
>>
>> My Paris rig is pretty darn stable. AMD 2 gig single core Asus S-733
>> Mobo.
>> I'm running 3 Uad cards and 6 eds cards okn a Magma.
>> Never heard a click, whistle, or pop (except the pops that the eds cards
>> make at boot up)
>> Rod
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from my
>> UAD-1
>> >plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my
> Paris
>> >rig, what issues would I have to deal with? Would I have the new UAD-1
>> FX,
>> >like the Neve EQs? How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC? Does
> having
>> >a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?
>> >
>> >And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to
>> >Nuendo
>> >- would I be able to stick my Mac? Or would I do better w/ PC? Does
> Nuendo
>> >have automatic latency compensation? Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the
>> sound?
>> > Are any of you summing externally?
>> >
>> >So many questions.
>> >
>> >Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!
>> >
>> >Gantt
>>
>
>
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77209 is a reply to message #77200] Tue, 19 December 2006 13:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
Messages: 545
Registered: June 2006
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, ...
Senior Member

I usually render tracks that have lots of edits before mixing. I've found
the UAD-1 FX to be pretty glitchy around edits. I also always create a second
or two of silence before and after every track that has plugins inserted.
In fact, I discovered that the Lexicon PCM 42 delay plugin needs a full
delays worth of track after the event to function properly.

Anyway, even w/ rendered tracks I'm having problems...

Gantt

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>I too have experienced the pops as a result of plugins...my solution to
this
>is to take a full song length track, copy it, apply a gain reduction of
90db
>and rename it empty audio...then make a copy of it, put it on an open track

>and cut and paste all the edits from the offending track onto this track

>then move it back to the track where the edits came from...works like a

>charm.
>
>That being said I do believe we're probably looking at a hardware issue
with
>Gantt's set up...and I'm sorry having played with Nuendo and SX they suck

>donkey balls...PT Rules.....nuff said!
>
>:-) <- pointing out smiley
>
>DOn
>
>
>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4588080a$1@linux...
>>
>> Oh, BTW, having said all that - I think you're a perfect
>> candidate for "conversion", my son lol
>> Yes, Nuendo (and SX) have latency compensation, and as far as
>> your question about summing externally goes, I've tried this
>> combination recently (mixed in SX, summed in Paris via analog
>> outs - 4 stereo submixes into an 8-in module), and the results
>> don't suck. Not sure if it's exactly the sound I'm looking for,
>> but I did like certain aspects of it - tends to "warm up" the
>> mix a bit & kinda sounded a little smoother than a pure ITB
>> Native mix.
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Gannt, is it possible you have an underpowered power supply for
>>>the task of running the Paris cards plus the UAD's (or that the
>>>PSU may be going bad)? I mean, that's generally the most common
>>>cause of popping & clicking, etc.
>>>
>>>OR... is it only popping & clicking at the start of waveforms &
>>>on edits/punches? I recall having a couple of Waves plugins that
>>>did that in Paris - wonder if it might be the same kind of thing
>>>going on? If so, I remedied that by recording a couple seconds
>>>of empty space right before the original waveform actually
>>>started, then automating the mute function so what would happen
>>>is that the pulgin would trigger and pop before the waveform came
>>>in in the silent (and muted) portion & then it would un-mute
>>>right before the waveform actually started. I can't recall what
>>>I did on the edits/punches, though - it may have been a
>>>crossfade thing or I may have had to render/bounce those
>>>portions as a single trackfile.
>>>
>>>Just tossing out ideas here... sorry for the redundancy if
>>>you've already checked these things.
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from
my
>>>UAD-1
>>>>plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my

>>>>Paris
>>>>rig, what issues would I have to deal with? Would I have the new UAD-1
>>>FX,
>>>>like the Neve EQs? How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC? Does

>>>>having
>>>>a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?
>>>>
>>>>And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to Nuendo
>>>>- would I be able to stick my Mac? Or would I do better w/ PC? Does

>>>>Nuendo
>>>>have automatic latency compensation? Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the
>>>sound?
>>>> Are any of you summing externally?
>>>>
>>>>So many questions.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!
>>>>
>>>>Gantt
>>>
>>
>
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77210 is a reply to message #77197] Tue, 19 December 2006 13:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
Messages: 545
Registered: June 2006
Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, ...
Senior Member

Both of my UAD-1 cards live in my G4. The EDS cards all live in my Magma
13 slot expansion chassis. Is it possible that my G4 doesn't have enough
juice to run 2 UAD-1 cards?

Gantt

"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Gannt, is it possible you have an underpowered power supply for
>the task of running the Paris cards plus the UAD's (or that the
>PSU may be going bad)? I mean, that's generally the most common
>cause of popping & clicking, etc.
>
>OR... is it only popping & clicking at the start of waveforms &
>on edits/punches? I recall having a couple of Waves plugins that
>did that in Paris - wonder if it might be the same kind of thing
>going on? If so, I remedied that by recording a couple seconds
>of empty space right before the original waveform actually
>started, then automating the mute function so what would happen
>is that the pulgin would trigger and pop before the waveform came
>in in the silent (and muted) portion & then it would un-mute
>right before the waveform actually started. I can't recall what
>I did on the edits/punches, though - it may have been a
>crossfade thing or I may have had to render/bounce those
>portions as a single trackfile.
>
>Just tossing out ideas here... sorry for the redundancy if
>you've already checked these things.
>
>Neil
>
>
>
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from my
>UAD-1
>>plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my Paris
>>rig, what issues would I have to deal with? Would I have the new UAD-1
>FX,
>>like the Neve EQs? How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC? Does having
>>a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?
>>
>>And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to Nuendo
>>- would I be able to stick my Mac? Or would I do better w/ PC? Does Nuendo
>>have automatic latency compensation? Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the
>sound?
>> Are any of you summing externally?
>>
>>So many questions.
>>
>>Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!
>>
>>Gantt
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77211 is a reply to message #77201] Tue, 19 December 2006 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Rod Lincoln is currently offline  Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
Senior Member
Either Samsung or Crucial...I don't remember which. I have 1 gig
Rod
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hey Rod,
>Side question. I'm running the same mobo and I've been thinking about
>upping the RAM -what brand are you using?
>MR
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:4587eb20$1@linux...
>>
>> My Paris rig is pretty darn stable. AMD 2 gig single core Asus S-733 Mobo.
>> I'm running 3 Uad cards and 6 eds cards okn a Magma.
>> Never heard a click, whistle, or pop (except the pops that the eds cards
>> make at boot up)
>> Rod
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from
my
>> UAD-1
>> >plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my
>Paris
>> >rig, what issues would I have to deal with? Would I have the new UAD-1
>> FX,
>> >like the Neve EQs? How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC? Does
>having
>> >a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?
>> >
>> >And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to Nuendo
>> >- would I be able to stick my Mac? Or would I do better w/ PC? Does
>Nuendo
>> >have automatic latency compensation? Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the
>> sound?
>> > Are any of you summing externally?
>> >
>> >So many questions.
>> >
>> >Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!
>> >
>> >Gantt
>>
>
>
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77212 is a reply to message #77209] Tue, 19 December 2006 12:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   UNITED STATES
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"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> I usually render tracks that have lots of edits before mixing. I've found
> the UAD-1 FX to be pretty glitchy around edits. I also always create a
> second
> or two of silence before and after every track that has plugins inserted.
> In fact, I discovered that the Lexicon PCM 42 delay plugin needs a full
> delays worth of track after the event to function properly.
>
> Anyway, even w/ rendered tracks I'm having problems...
>
> Gantt

That's the final step after all is said and done because I've been know to
change things right up until the mix is approverd for mastering

Don




>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>I too have experienced the pops as a result of plugins...my solution to
> this
>>is to take a full song length track, copy it, apply a gain reduction of
> 90db
>>and rename it empty audio...then make a copy of it, put it on an open
>>track
>
>>and cut and paste all the edits from the offending track onto this track
>
>>then move it back to the track where the edits came from...works like a
>
>>charm.
>>
>>That being said I do believe we're probably looking at a hardware issue
> with
>>Gantt's set up...and I'm sorry having played with Nuendo and SX they suck
>
>>donkey balls...PT Rules.....nuff said!
>>
>>:-) <- pointing out smiley
>>
>>DOn
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:4588080a$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Oh, BTW, having said all that - I think you're a perfect
>>> candidate for "conversion", my son lol
>>> Yes, Nuendo (and SX) have latency compensation, and as far as
>>> your question about summing externally goes, I've tried this
>>> combination recently (mixed in SX, summed in Paris via analog
>>> outs - 4 stereo submixes into an 8-in module), and the results
>>> don't suck. Not sure if it's exactly the sound I'm looking for,
>>> but I did like certain aspects of it - tends to "warm up" the
>>> mix a bit & kinda sounded a little smoother than a pure ITB
>>> Native mix.
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Gannt, is it possible you have an underpowered power supply for
>>>>the task of running the Paris cards plus the UAD's (or that the
>>>>PSU may be going bad)? I mean, that's generally the most common
>>>>cause of popping & clicking, etc.
>>>>
>>>>OR... is it only popping & clicking at the start of waveforms &
>>>>on edits/punches? I recall having a couple of Waves plugins that
>>>>did that in Paris - wonder if it might be the same kind of thing
>>>>going on? If so, I remedied that by recording a couple seconds
>>>>of empty space right before the original waveform actually
>>>>started, then automating the mute function so what would happen
>>>>is that the pulgin would trigger and pop before the waveform came
>>>>in in the silent (and muted) portion & then it would un-mute
>>>>right before the waveform actually started. I can't recall what
>>>>I did on the edits/punches, though - it may have been a
>>>>crossfade thing or I may have had to render/bounce those
>>>>portions as a single trackfile.
>>>>
>>>>Just tossing out ideas here... sorry for the redundancy if
>>>>you've already checked these things.
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from
> my
>>>>UAD-1
>>>>>plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my
>
>>>>>Paris
>>>>>rig, what issues would I have to deal with? Would I have the new UAD-1
>>>>FX,
>>>>>like the Neve EQs? How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC? Does
>
>>>>>having
>>>>>a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?
>>>>>
>>>>>And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to
>>>>>Nuendo
>>>>>- would I be able to stick my Mac? Or would I do better w/ PC? Does
>
>>>>>Nuendo
>>>>>have automatic latency compensation? Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the
>>>>sound?
>>>>> Are any of you summing externally?
>>>>>
>>>>>So many questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!
>>>>>
>>>>>Gantt
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77214 is a reply to message #77195] Tue, 19 December 2006 13:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
tonehouse is currently offline  tonehouse   UNITED STATES
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Hi Gantt....running XP...I don't get clicks or pops with UAD,just weirdness
at crossfade edits....and LATENCY...which I hate dealing with...my one card
rig has been working OK for 6 years,3 years on XP...I am getting Nuendo,just
to see what it's like on PC....zan
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> Another session full of clicking, popping, whistling and hooting from my
UAD-1
> plugins. Which makes me wonder - If I were to switch to a PC for my Paris
> rig, what issues would I have to deal with? Would I have the new UAD-1
FX,
> like the Neve EQs? How stable is Paris on a properly set up PC? Does
having
> a dual processor machine affect Paris performance?
>
> And then, taking it to it's (logical?) extreme - Like switching to Nuendo
> - would I be able to stick my Mac? Or would I do better w/ PC? Does
Nuendo
> have automatic latency compensation? Are you Nuendo folks happy w/ the
sound?
> Are any of you summing externally?
>
> So many questions.
>
> Thanks! And Happy Holidays to you all!!!
>
> Gantt
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77215 is a reply to message #77195] Tue, 19 December 2006 13:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77226 is a reply to message #77212] Tue, 19 December 2006 17:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:45884918$1@linux...
>>
>> I usually render tracks that have lots of edits before mixing. I've found
>> the UAD-1 FX to be pretty glitchy around edits. I also always create
a
>> second
>> or two of silence before and after every track that has plugins inserted.
>> In fact, I discovered that the Lexicon PCM 42 delay plugin needs a full
>> delays worth of track after the event to function properly.
>>
>> Anyway, even w/ rendered tracks I'm having problems...
>>
>> Gantt
>
>That's the final step after all is said and done because I've been know
to
>change things right up until the mix is approverd for mastering
>
>Don

You can always clone a track, render one & keep the edits
without rendering on the first track just in case (assuming you
have enough track capacity available to do this with - in SX,
and I presume also in Nuendo, you can disable tracks to conserve
CPU usage & that's the prefect time to use that function - on
the "safety" track. copy(ies).

Neil
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77229 is a reply to message #77210] Tue, 19 December 2006 18:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Both of my UAD-1 cards live in my G4. The EDS cards all live in my Magma
>13 slot expansion chassis. Is it possible that my G4 doesn't have enough
>juice to run 2 UAD-1 cards?

Gantt... I'm not very knowledgeable about Macs, so I can't
really say for sure, but it would seem weird if it doesn't have
enough wattage capacity for just those two cards - if that's
all there are in the 'puter itself.

This would be a moot point if the PSU is going bad, of course.
A couple of thoughts:

1.) Does the Magma leach any power away from the computer at
all? IOW, apart from it's own power supply, does it suck any
from the PCI bus just by virtue of the fact that it interfaces
with that?

2.) Have you tried using the rig with only ONE UAD card... not
necessarily as a practical application since if you have two,
you have two for a reason, but I mean just to see if you get
rid of the popping, etc. by removing either of the cards? If
it's a power-related issue this could be helpful to try in
order to troubleshoot.

3.) Do you think it could be ONE of the UAD cards doing this?
IOW, could one of 'em be bad? Have you been able to establish
that it's, in fact, BOTH of them that are vomiting artifacts?

4.) Have you been able to establish if either your disk
streaming capacity is being exceeded, or if your CPU is maxed
out? Either one could cause popping/clicking (although the
former would more likely cause stuttering & dropouts).

Just trying to maybe narrow things down.

Neil
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77232 is a reply to message #77229] Tue, 19 December 2006 23:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Neil - responses interleaved below...

"Neil" <OIUIU@OIU.com> wrote:

>1.) Does the Magma leach any power away from the computer at
>all? IOW, apart from it's own power supply, does it suck any
>from the PCI bus just by virtue of the fact that it interfaces
>with that?

I don't know the answer to this one. The Magma has a PCI card that interfaces
it w/ the computer. I'm sure it draws some power. The Magma itself has
it's own power supply.
>
>2.) Have you tried using the rig with only ONE UAD card... not
>necessarily as a practical application since if you have two,
>you have two for a reason, but I mean just to see if you get
>rid of the popping, etc. by removing either of the cards? If
>it's a power-related issue this could be helpful to try in
>order to troubleshoot.

I tried popping one card - the older one - out. It didn't make any strange
noises, but the problem is intermittent. I can go hours, even days, without
any noises.

>
>3.) Do you think it could be ONE of the UAD cards doing this?
>IOW, could one of 'em be bad? Have you been able to establish
>that it's, in fact, BOTH of them that are vomiting artifacts?

Yes, I do think it might be one card going bad. I ordered a new one from
Morgan, but it hasn't arrived yet.

>
>4.) Have you been able to establish if either your disk
>streaming capacity is being exceeded, or if your CPU is maxed
>out? Either one could cause popping/clicking (although the
>former would more likely cause stuttering & dropouts).

Don't know the answer to this either. The problems can occur w/ the UAD-1
CPU meter as low as 40% - 50%. I used to be able to push it to over 70%
with no noises. The screen re-draw would slow down a bit, but it would play.

>
>Just trying to maybe narrow things down.

I appreciate any and all ideas!

Thanks,

Gantt


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77236 is a reply to message #77226] Wed, 20 December 2006 04:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:45888685$1@linux...
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:45884918$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I usually render tracks that have lots of edits before mixing. I've
>>> found
>>> the UAD-1 FX to be pretty glitchy around edits. I also always create
> a
>>> second
>>> or two of silence before and after every track that has plugins
>>> inserted.
>>> In fact, I discovered that the Lexicon PCM 42 delay plugin needs a full
>>> delays worth of track after the event to function properly.
>>>
>>> Anyway, even w/ rendered tracks I'm having problems...
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>
>>That's the final step after all is said and done because I've been know
> to
>>change things right up until the mix is approverd for mastering
>>
>>Don
>
> You can always clone a track, render one & keep the edits
> without rendering on the first track just in case (assuming you
> have enough track capacity available to do this with - in SX,
> and I presume also in Nuendo, you can disable tracks to conserve
> CPU usage & that's the prefect time to use that function - on
> the "safety" track. copy(ies).
>
> Neil

I'll also use jails for the uncloned / unrendered version of the tracks on
ocassion...that's come in handy a number of times
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77238 is a reply to message #77232] Wed, 20 December 2006 04:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Gantt...somemore responses below......

"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4588d307$1@linux...
>
> Hi Neil - responses interleaved below...
>
> "Neil" <OIUIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>>1.) Does the Magma leach any power away from the computer at
>>all? IOW, apart from it's own power supply, does it suck any
>>from the PCI bus just by virtue of the fact that it interfaces
>>with that?
>
> I don't know the answer to this one. The Magma has a PCI card that
> interfaces
> it w/ the computer. I'm sure it draws some power. The Magma itself has
> it's own power supply.

I doubt it. Magma has it's own PSU. It'ws possible though that the Magma PSU
could be going south and causing trouble.

>>
>>2.) Have you tried using the rig with only ONE UAD card... not
>>necessarily as a practical application since if you have two,
>>you have two for a reason, but I mean just to see if you get
>>rid of the popping, etc. by removing either of the cards? If
>>it's a power-related issue this could be helpful to try in
>>order to troubleshoot.
>
> I tried popping one card - the older one - out. It didn't make any
> strange
> noises, but the problem is intermittent. I can go hours, even days,
> without
> any noises.

>
>>
>>3.) Do you think it could be ONE of the UAD cards doing this?
>>IOW, could one of 'em be bad? Have you been able to establish
>>that it's, in fact, BOTH of them that are vomiting artifacts?
>
> Yes, I do think it might be one card going bad. I ordered a new one from
> Morgan, but it hasn't arrived yet.

I have had two UAD-1 cards die on me since I bought my first one (which
still works) in September 2001.

>
>>
>>4.) Have you been able to establish if either your disk
>>streaming capacity is being exceeded, or if your CPU is maxed
>>out? Either one could cause popping/clicking (although the
>>former would more likely cause stuttering & dropouts).
>
> Don't know the answer to this either. The problems can occur w/ the UAD-1
> CPU meter as low as 40% - 50%. I used to be able to push it to over 70%
> with no noises. The screen re-draw would slow down a bit, but it would
> play.

This is sounding more and more like a PCI bus overload, wherein you're just
exceeding it's bandwidth. I had this problem in spades when I was mixing RME
and UAD-1 PCI cards in a Magma. Problem was solved by using *only* UAD-1
cards in the Magma and getting another Magma for the RME cards.

Deej

>
>>
>>Just trying to maybe narrow things down.
>
> I appreciate any and all ideas!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gantt
>
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77283 is a reply to message #77238] Wed, 20 December 2006 21:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey Deej,

What were the symptoms of your dying UAD-1 cards?

Thanks!

Gantt

"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>I have had two UAD-1 cards die on me since I bought my first one (which

>still works) in September 2001.
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77284 is a reply to message #77283] Wed, 20 December 2006 21:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Hey Deej,
>
>What were the symptoms of your dying UAD-1 cards?

Pallor, gasping of breath, thready pulsewave modulation.

:D
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77291 is a reply to message #77284] Thu, 21 December 2006 08:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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One of them created annoying bursts of noise in the monitors so I had to
fire it. The other one just didn't show up for work one day.

;o)


"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:458a08d6$1@linux...
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey Deej,
>>
>>What were the symptoms of your dying UAD-1 cards?
>
> Pallor, gasping of breath, thready pulsewave modulation.
>
> :D
>
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77294 is a reply to message #77291] Thu, 21 December 2006 14:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Annoying bursts of noise is exactly what's happening! How did you figure
out whci card was bad?

Gantt

"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>One of them created annoying bursts of noise in the monitors so I had to

>fire it. The other one just didn't show up for work one day.
>
>;o)
>
>
>"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:458a08d6$1@linux...
>>
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hey Deej,
>>>
>>>What were the symptoms of your dying UAD-1 cards?
>>
>> Pallor, gasping of breath, thready pulsewave modulation.
>>
>> :D
>>
>
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: another miserable night in Paris! should I switch? [message #77299 is a reply to message #77294] Thu, 21 December 2006 18:39 Go to previous message
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I pulled the cards and then tested them one by one. It was a PITA. Sorry
you're having this grief.

;o(

"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:458af983$1@linux...
>
> Annoying bursts of noise is exactly what's happening! How did you figure
> out whci card was bad?
>
> Gantt
>
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>One of them created annoying bursts of noise in the monitors so I had to
>
>>fire it. The other one just didn't show up for work one day.
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>>"Neil" <IUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:458a08d6$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Hey Deej,
>>>>
>>>>What were the symptoms of your dying UAD-1 cards?
>>>
>>> Pallor, gasping of breath, thready pulsewave modulation.
>>>
>>> :D
>>>
>>
>>
>
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