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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87900 is a reply to message #87876] |
Tue, 10 July 2007 17:40   |
Paul Braun
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:30:18 -0600, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
wrote:
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>As for the free market "charge what the market will bear" approach to
>concert ticket sales, I'm not going to pay those ticket prices either.
>But others are welcome to do so and apparently do. Go figure.
>
I think what we have here is artists who see "ticket brokers" (isn't
nice that we've come up with a sanitary, legitimate term for
"scalpers"??) buying up all the tickets for their events and then
raping the public for $200 and up a seat.
They probably sat down, said, "Well, if the public is stupid enough to
pay that to a broker, then fuck 'em. Let's just charge that
ourselves, and cut out the bastard who's stealing our money."
I hate scalpers. Hate 'em. Really. I know TicketBastard claims they
don't cut any deals and everyone has the same chance - bullshit.
Brokers always end up with 90% of the good seats. I'm sure a lot of
it is pimping losers to stand in line and buy the max limit and then
give them to the pimp. But I'm also sure that they have inside
connections with TicketBastard.
I'm in a really foul mood tonight, for some effin' reason.
pab
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87937 is a reply to message #87922] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 07:40 |
excelav
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I don't remember what exactly he said, it was back in the 80s. It was not
about government policies. It was more like, Americans suck, americans are
stupid people, our american ways suck, our american idiosyncrasies are stupid
and irritating. It was arrogant and insulting, trust me.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
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>What did he say??
>
>If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>
>I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
>if they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>
>I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>DJ wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:469414e4$1@linux...
>>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>>> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>>> Was Sting really insulting America and Americans or was he questioning
>>>>> American government policy at the time? Since some people cheered him
>>>>> while others apparently felt horribly insulted by both Sting and the
>>>>> cheerers, I'll bet it was merely the latter.
>>>>>
>>>> He was insulting america and americans.
>>> What did he say?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>
>> I don't go to concerts to hear people talk about politics. I never go
back
>> to see a band that starts spouting political rhetoric onstage......except
I
>> *would* go back and see Eddie Izzard......but he's not a musician.
>>
>> ;o)
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87941 is a reply to message #87936] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 09:02 |
Jamie K
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If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
hang around this news group long. :^)
Apple sucks.
So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's.
That's an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's
learned a few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him
from the USA or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our
legendary patience and generosity, and look forward?
Apple sucks more than Dell.
America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid
criticism or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our
constitution direclty protects our right to criticize America, our
current or past leaders, etc.
Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
better understood his point, whatever it was.
Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
I like my Mac.
Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
and be a catalyst for people to think.
It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
tradition.
It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
not be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>> What did he say??
>>
>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>
>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However if
>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>
>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>
> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do listen
> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I know
> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing to hear
> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes me
> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
> when the opposite is probably true.
>
> ;o)
>
>
James McCloskey wrote:
> I don't remember what exactly he said, it was back in the 80s. It
was not
> about government policies. It was more like, Americans suck,
americans are
> stupid people, our american ways suck, our american idiosyncrasies
are stupid
> and irritating. It was arrogant and insulting, trust me.
>
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87944 is a reply to message #87941] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 11:04 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
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Hi thereJaimie ,
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46950060$1@linux...
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> If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't hang
> around this news group long. :^)
LOL!!!!!
>
> Apple sucks.
>
> So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's. That's
> an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's learned a
> few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him from the USA
> or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our legendary patience and
> generosity, and look forward?
>
> Apple sucks more than Dell.
>
> America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid criticism
> or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our constitution direclty
> protects our right to criticize America, our current or past leaders, etc.
>
That's not the point, from my perspective. The point is that I don't pay
money to be insulted or included in someone else's agenda.
> Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>
> In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
I don't really care what Sting thinks as long as I don't pay to listen to
it.
>
> Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>
> Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
> misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
> better understood his point, whatever it was.
>
> Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>
> In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
I agree that "we" don't know what he said and so we can only take James'
word for it, which I have no real reason to dispute.
>
> I like my Mac.
>
> Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
Yeah....I agree, but we make decisions based on experience and this
particular experience was obviously an offensive one to James. This is, to
me, more about money than opinion.
>
> BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
> in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative and
> be a catalyst for people to think.
>
> It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
> ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
Yeah, but personally (having "been there and done that") I would say that
the opinions of at least 70% of the "artists" out there who are screaming
about this cause or that cause (and especially those who sit around an rant
about how they are "against" this cause or that cause) are heavily
influenced by their emotional state relative to the amounts of whatever
intoxicant they may happen to be imibing at the time. This pretty much
disqualifies them from any serious consideration, IMO, and though there are
many who don't stay "influenced" more often than not, there are enough who
do to taint the credibility of the entire entertainment industry in gerneral
(IMO)
>
> It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
> Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
> further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
> ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
> tradition.
I agree.........and often the more irrational sector of that tradition as
well.
>
> It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would not
> be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
Causes are great. Everyone should have one. My paying for some stoner or
angry activist to shoot off his/her mouth is my option.
;o)
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87950 is a reply to message #87944] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 12:09 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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DJ wrote:
> Hi thereJaimie ,
Hey Deej!
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46950060$1@linux...
>> If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't hang
>> around this news group long. :^)
>
> LOL!!!!!
>
>> Apple sucks.
>>
>> So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's. That's
>> an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's learned a
>> few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him from the USA
>> or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our legendary patience and
>> generosity, and look forward?
>>
>> Apple sucks more than Dell.
>>
>> America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid criticism
>> or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our constitution direclty
>> protects our right to criticize America, our current or past leaders, etc.
>>
>
> That's not the point, from my perspective. The point is that I don't pay
> money to be insulted or included in someone else's agenda.
Actually I don't go to shows to be insulted either. But a lot of people
must. Witness punk shows, rap shows, standup comedy sets. Or a revival
service.
As far as being included in someone else's agenda, better stay away from
country music then. And let your hazy drug days blank out any of the
rock shows you've been to since the 60s where politics was a regular
undercurrent.
>> Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>>
>> In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>
> I don't really care what Sting thinks as long as I don't pay to listen to
> it.
I guess you've never bought one of his CDs.
>> Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>>
>> Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
>> misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>> better understood his point, whatever it was.
>>
>> Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>>
>> In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>
> I agree that "we" don't know what he said and so we can only take James'
> word for it, which I have no real reason to dispute.
We also have James' word that others in the audience cheered. So not
everyone was as appalled as he was. Apparently there was a dispute at
the time in the audience.
>> I like my Mac.
>>
>> Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>
> Yeah....I agree, but we make decisions based on experience and this
> particular experience was obviously an offensive one to James. This is, to
> me, more about money than opinion.
>
>> BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
>> in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative and
>> be a catalyst for people to think.
>>
>> It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>> ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>
> Yeah, but personally (having "been there and done that") I would say that
> the opinions of at least 70% of the "artists" out there who are screaming
> about this cause or that cause (and especially those who sit around an rant
> about how they are "against" this cause or that cause) are heavily
> influenced by their emotional state relative to the amounts of whatever
> intoxicant they may happen to be imibing at the time. This pretty much
> disqualifies them from any serious consideration, IMO, and though there are
> many who don't stay "influenced" more often than not, there are enough who
> do to taint the credibility of the entire entertainment industry in gerneral
> (IMO)
If you're saying I shouldn't listen to you because you've done drugs,
then OK. ;^)
The point is A) artists have the right to share their passions in their
art. What that can do on the positive side is stimulate discussion. And
B) we have the right to research anyone's assertions and develop our own
opinions. If we don't, we're the idiots.
>> It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>> Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>> further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
>> ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>> tradition.
>
> I agree.........and often the more irrational sector of that tradition as
> well.
Actually the MOST irrational sector is on talk radio.
>> It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would not
>> be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
> Causes are great. Everyone should have one. My paying for some stoner or
> angry activist to shoot off his/her mouth is my option.
One man's angry activist is another's brave crusader. It's not the
opinions or causes, it's the ones we happen to disagree with that
offend. But then the guy next to you might be cheering. To James, that
guy is an idiot. To that guy, maybe James is an idiot. Maybe they should
talk and get beyond mutual demonization.
I kinda doubt you would be all that shocked if a cause was mentioned at
a concert, really. You've been to enough concerts to know the "risk." At
least half the time you'd probably go "woo! USA!" For the rest, I don't
see you holding a grudge about one comment for 20 years. Am I right?
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> ;o)
>
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87951 is a reply to message #87936] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 13:00 |
TCB
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The first famous musician I find who can answer four of these five questions
correctly without consulting google, I'll get interested in their political
opinions.
1. William McKinley and Zachary Taylor were both US presidents. Did they
serve both before the Civil War, both after, or one before and one after.
2. From which country or countries did the United States acquire Louisiana
and Florida?
3. The US capitol was moved to Virginia in a famous deal brokered between
Jefferson and Hamilton. Jefferson wanted the capitol on the Potomac and got
it. What did Hamilton want in return, and did he get it?
4. In the 1980's the US government was deeply involved in the affairs of
Nicaragua and El Salvador. In which country did it support the insurgency,
and in which the government?
5. Give a general description of five of the first ten amendments to the
US Constitution.
-or-
Explain the constitutional justification for equal protection.
I think I'll be waiting a while.
TCB
P.S. I also don't like listening to politicians sing.
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
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>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>
>> What did he say??
>>
>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>
>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
if
>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>
>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>
>I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do listen
>to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I know
>ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing to
hear
>them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
me
>is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>when the opposite is probably true.
>
>;o)
>
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87952 is a reply to message #87951] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 13:14 |
Jamie K
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I presume you use the same test for non-musicians.
It would be interested to know how many politicians would pass your
test. Some of them sing pretty well and a few play instruments.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> The first famous musician I find who can answer four of these five questions
> correctly without consulting google, I'll get interested in their political
> opinions.
>
> 1. William McKinley and Zachary Taylor were both US presidents. Did they
> serve both before the Civil War, both after, or one before and one after.
>
>
> 2. From which country or countries did the United States acquire Louisiana
> and Florida?
>
> 3. The US capitol was moved to Virginia in a famous deal brokered between
> Jefferson and Hamilton. Jefferson wanted the capitol on the Potomac and got
> it. What did Hamilton want in return, and did he get it?
>
> 4. In the 1980's the US government was deeply involved in the affairs of
> Nicaragua and El Salvador. In which country did it support the insurgency,
> and in which the government?
>
> 5. Give a general description of five of the first ten amendments to the
> US Constitution.
>
> -or-
>
> Explain the constitutional justification for equal protection.
>
> I think I'll be waiting a while.
>
> TCB
>
> P.S. I also don't like listening to politicians sing.
>
> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>> What did he say??
>>>
>>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>>
>>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
> if
>>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>>
>>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do listen
>
>> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I know
>
>> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing to
> hear
>> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
> me
>> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>
>> when the opposite is probably true.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87953 is a reply to message #87952] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 13:33 |
TCB
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Actually, I'd expect any non-musician whose opinion about politics I take
seriously to get all six of these correct very easily.
Politicians I would hope would know this stuff but wouldn't really expect
it. Politics in general attracts second class human beings more often than
not, and in today's America appearing to have a triple digit IQ is essentially
political suicide. FDR and Ike could appeal to the lowest common denominator
but today one has to actually appear to _be_ the lowest common denominator.
TCB
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>I presume you use the same test for non-musicians.
>
>It would be interested to know how many politicians would pass your
>test. Some of them sing pretty well and a few play instruments.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>TCB wrote:
>> The first famous musician I find who can answer four of these five questions
>> correctly without consulting google, I'll get interested in their political
>> opinions.
>>
>> 1. William McKinley and Zachary Taylor were both US presidents. Did they
>> serve both before the Civil War, both after, or one before and one after.
>>
>>
>> 2. From which country or countries did the United States acquire Louisiana
>> and Florida?
>>
>> 3. The US capitol was moved to Virginia in a famous deal brokered between
>> Jefferson and Hamilton. Jefferson wanted the capitol on the Potomac and
got
>> it. What did Hamilton want in return, and did he get it?
>>
>> 4. In the 1980's the US government was deeply involved in the affairs
of
>> Nicaragua and El Salvador. In which country did it support the insurgency,
>> and in which the government?
>>
>> 5. Give a general description of five of the first ten amendments to the
>> US Constitution.
>>
>> -or-
>>
>> Explain the constitutional justification for equal protection.
>>
>> I think I'll be waiting a while.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> P.S. I also don't like listening to politicians sing.
>>
>> "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>>> What did he say??
>>>>
>>>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>>>
>>>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
>> if
>>>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do
listen
>>
>>> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I
know
>>
>>> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing
to
>> hear
>>> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
>> me
>>> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>>> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>>
>>> when the opposite is probably true.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87955 is a reply to message #87941] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 13:47 |
excelav
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Location: Metro Detroit
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His point was vary clear! He made it clear that he didn't like America or
Americans. It wasn't about politics, it wasn't about government policies,
it wasn't about Apple computer. But hey, if you want to defend him, go for
it.
I was just conveying a story and thoughts on ticket prices. I personally
won't give an arrogant pompous ass like Sting another penny, even if I do
like their music, was my point. As I stated, he insulted the vary people
that payed to see them. I certainly won't pay to be insulted again. By
the way, they were vary boring in concert.
The police tickets now are as high as $227.50 a pop, that is a gouge! If
people are stupid enough to pay those kind of prices, then so be it. The
problem is, it sets the standards for ticket prices. I personally think
it's greedy to charge those kind of prices for concert tickets, but that
is just my opinion.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
>hang around this news group long. :^)
>
>Apple sucks.
>
>So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's.
>That's an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's
>learned a few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him
>from the USA or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our
>legendary patience and generosity, and look forward?
>
>Apple sucks more than Dell.
>
>America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid
>criticism or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our
>constitution direclty protects our right to criticize America, our
>current or past leaders, etc.
>
>Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>
>In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>
>Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>
>Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
>misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>better understood his point, whatever it was.
>
>Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>
>In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>
>I like my Mac.
>
>Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>
>BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
>in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
>and be a catalyst for people to think.
>
>It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>
>It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
>ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>tradition.
>
>It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
>not be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>DJ wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>> What did he say??
>>>
>>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>>
>>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
if
>>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>>
>>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>
>> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do
listen
>> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I know
>> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing to
hear
>> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
me
>> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>> when the opposite is probably true.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>
>
>James McCloskey wrote:
> > I don't remember what exactly he said, it was back in the 80s. It
>was not
> > about government policies. It was more like, Americans suck,
>americans are
> > stupid people, our american ways suck, our american idiosyncrasies
>are stupid
> > and irritating. It was arrogant and insulting, trust me.
> >
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87956 is a reply to message #87955] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 13:57 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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So the artist should charge far less than the price the market would set,
so that scalpers (who add zero value) can make money on the spread between
between the face value and actual value? I'd rather the musician make the
money.
TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>His point was vary clear! He made it clear that he didn't like America
or
>Americans. It wasn't about politics, it wasn't about government policies,
>it wasn't about Apple computer. But hey, if you want to defend him, go
for
>it.
>
>I was just conveying a story and thoughts on ticket prices. I personally
>won't give an arrogant pompous ass like Sting another penny, even if I do
>like their music, was my point. As I stated, he insulted the vary people
>that payed to see them. I certainly won't pay to be insulted again. By
>the way, they were vary boring in concert.
>
>The police tickets now are as high as $227.50 a pop, that is a gouge! If
>people are stupid enough to pay those kind of prices, then so be it. The
>problem is, it sets the standards for ticket prices. I personally think
>it's greedy to charge those kind of prices for concert tickets, but that
>is just my opinion.
>
>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>
>>If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
>>hang around this news group long. :^)
>>
>>Apple sucks.
>>
>>So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's.
>>That's an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's
>
>>learned a few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him
>>from the USA or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our
>>legendary patience and generosity, and look forward?
>>
>>Apple sucks more than Dell.
>>
>>America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid
>>criticism or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our
>>constitution direclty protects our right to criticize America, our
>>current or past leaders, etc.
>>
>>Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>>
>>In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>>
>>Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>>
>>Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
>
>>misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>>better understood his point, whatever it was.
>>
>>Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>>
>>In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>>
>>I like my Mac.
>>
>>Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>>
>>BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
>
>>in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
>>and be a catalyst for people to think.
>>
>>It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>>ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>>
>>It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>
>>Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>>further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
>
>>ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>>tradition.
>>
>>It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
>>not be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>>> What did he say??
>>>>
>>>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>>>
>>>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
>if
>>>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do
>listen
>>> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I
know
>
>>> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing
to
>hear
>>> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
>me
>>> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>
>>> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>
>>> when the opposite is probably true.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>James McCloskey wrote:
>> > I don't remember what exactly he said, it was back in the 80s. It
>>was not
>> > about government policies. It was more like, Americans suck,
>>americans are
>> > stupid people, our american ways suck, our american idiosyncrasies
>>are stupid
>> > and irritating. It was arrogant and insulting, trust me.
>> >
>
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87959 is a reply to message #87955] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 15:09 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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James McCloskey wrote:
> His point was vary clear! He made it clear that he didn't like America or
> Americans. It wasn't about politics, it wasn't about government policies,
> it wasn't about Apple computer. But hey, if you want to defend him, go for
> it.
Sure, why not. He's written some decent lyrics, some decent songs, he
works with some killer musicians. There's a fair chance he's about more
than "America hating."
I think for Sting to generalize negatively about ALL Americans, as you
say, would be ignorant, if that's what he meant. This is a diverse
country with diverse people.
OTOH I think for anyone to generalize about another person based on one
comment is a bit limited, and to impose that impression for over 20
years as if you really know the guy? From one comment? Well I dunno.
People grow and change, usually.
> I was just conveying a story and thoughts on ticket prices. I personally
> won't give an arrogant pompous ass like Sting another penny, even if I do
> like their music, was my point.
Which arrogant pompous asses do you give money to? A few, I'll bet. :^)
Americans don't suck, overall, but some hold grudges. Sting could have
said THAT and not been wrong. :^)
> As I stated, he insulted the vary people
> that payed to see them. I certainly won't pay to be insulted again. By
> the way, they were vary boring in concert.
I'll be glad to insult you for free, just let me know if I can help out.
Heh, just kidding.
I would watch the Police just to watch the drummer play.
> The police tickets now are as high as $227.50 a pop, that is a gouge! If
> people are stupid enough to pay those kind of prices, then so be it. The
> problem is, it sets the standards for ticket prices. I personally think
> it's greedy to charge those kind of prices for concert tickets, but that
> is just my opinion.
Yeah, I'm not paying it either. Someone is...
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
>> hang around this news group long. :^)
>>
>> Apple sucks.
>>
>> So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's.
>> That's an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's
>
>> learned a few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him
>>from the USA or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our
>> legendary patience and generosity, and look forward?
>>
>> Apple sucks more than Dell.
>>
>> America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid
>> criticism or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our
>> constitution direclty protects our right to criticize America, our
>> current or past leaders, etc.
>>
>> Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>>
>> In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>>
>> Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>>
>> Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
>
>> misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>> better understood his point, whatever it was.
>>
>> Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>>
>> In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>>
>> I like my Mac.
>>
>> Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>>
>> BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
>
>> in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
>> and be a catalyst for people to think.
>>
>> It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>> ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>>
>> It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>
>> Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>> further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
>
>> ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>> tradition.
>>
>> It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
>> not be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>>> What did he say??
>>>>
>>>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>>>
>>>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
> if
>>>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>>>
>>>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do
> listen
>>> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I know
>
>>> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing to
> hear
>>> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
> me
>>> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>
>>> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>
>>> when the opposite is probably true.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> James McCloskey wrote:
>>> I don't remember what exactly he said, it was back in the 80s. It
>> was not
>>> about government policies. It was more like, Americans suck,
>> americans are
>>> stupid people, our american ways suck, our american idiosyncrasies
>> are stupid
>>> and irritating. It was arrogant and insulting, trust me.
>>>
>
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87960 is a reply to message #87950] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 15:16 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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This is hard for me to admit, but I once payed to see Elton John. After about
a half hour or so he threw a hissy fit for no apparent reason and said "that's
it folks, shows over" and walked off stage. He won't be getting any more
of my money either.
I loved Led Zeppelin, but Robert Plant was boring every time I saw him.
Rod Stewart used to put on a good show, now he is boring. I guess from all
this you could conclude that I don't like Brits???
I once saw ZZ Top and they ended the show after only about 20 minutes. Billy
Gibbons had a good reason, some idiot threw an unopened beer can at him and
split his head open. Needless to say, Pine Knob stopped selling beer in
cans after that show.
Hell, I saw Collective soul sunday. They were going through there songs
at break neck speed. The singer said, "all I can say is were pressed for
time". There sound wasn't vary good, and I've seen them in the past when
they sounded great. They suddenly ended the show. They were billed as
the headliner, but the band Live was the last band to play the night. Maybe
it was my mistake.
Just some stories.
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>DJ wrote:
>> Hi thereJaimie ,
>
>Hey Deej!
>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46950060$1@linux...
>>> If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
hang
>>> around this news group long. :^)
>>
>> LOL!!!!!
>>
>>> Apple sucks.
>>>
>>> So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's. That's
>>> an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's learned
a
>>> few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him from the
USA
>>> or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our legendary patience
and
>>> generosity, and look forward?
>>>
>>> Apple sucks more than Dell.
>>>
>>> America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid criticism
>>> or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our constitution direclty
>>> protects our right to criticize America, our current or past leaders,
etc.
>>>
>>
>> That's not the point, from my perspective. The point is that I don't pay
>> money to be insulted or included in someone else's agenda.
>
>Actually I don't go to shows to be insulted either. But a lot of people
>must. Witness punk shows, rap shows, standup comedy sets. Or a revival
>service.
>
>As far as being included in someone else's agenda, better stay away from
>country music then. And let your hazy drug days blank out any of the
>rock shows you've been to since the 60s where politics was a regular
>undercurrent.
>
>
>>> Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>>>
>>> In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>>
>> I don't really care what Sting thinks as long as I don't pay to listen
to
>> it.
>
>I guess you've never bought one of his CDs.
>
>
>>> Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>>>
>>> Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and
you
>>> misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>>> better understood his point, whatever it was.
>>>
>>> Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>>>
>>> In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>>
>> I agree that "we" don't know what he said and so we can only take James'
>> word for it, which I have no real reason to dispute.
>
>We also have James' word that others in the audience cheered. So not
>everyone was as appalled as he was. Apparently there was a dispute at
>the time in the audience.
>
>
>>> I like my Mac.
>>>
>>> Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>>
>> Yeah....I agree, but we make decisions based on experience and this
>> particular experience was obviously an offensive one to James. This is,
to
>> me, more about money than opinion.
>>
>>> BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity
but
>>> in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
and
>>> be a catalyst for people to think.
>>>
>>> It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>>> ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>>
>> Yeah, but personally (having "been there and done that") I would say that
>> the opinions of at least 70% of the "artists" out there who are screaming
>> about this cause or that cause (and especially those who sit around an
rant
>> about how they are "against" this cause or that cause) are heavily
>> influenced by their emotional state relative to the amounts of whatever
>> intoxicant they may happen to be imibing at the time. This pretty much
>> disqualifies them from any serious consideration, IMO, and though there
are
>> many who don't stay "influenced" more often than not, there are enough
who
>> do to taint the credibility of the entire entertainment industry in gerneral
>> (IMO)
>
>If you're saying I shouldn't listen to you because you've done drugs,
>then OK. ;^)
>
>The point is A) artists have the right to share their passions in their
>art. What that can do on the positive side is stimulate discussion. And
>B) we have the right to research anyone's assertions and develop our own
>opinions. If we don't, we're the idiots.
>
>
>>> It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>>> Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>>> further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace
of
>>> ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>>> tradition.
>>
>> I agree.........and often the more irrational sector of that tradition
as
>> well.
>
>Actually the MOST irrational sector is on talk radio.
>
>
>>> It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
not
>>> be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>> Causes are great. Everyone should have one. My paying for some stoner
or
>> angry activist to shoot off his/her mouth is my option.
>
>One man's angry activist is another's brave crusader. It's not the
>opinions or causes, it's the ones we happen to disagree with that
>offend. But then the guy next to you might be cheering. To James, that
>guy is an idiot. To that guy, maybe James is an idiot. Maybe they should
>talk and get beyond mutual demonization.
>
>I kinda doubt you would be all that shocked if a cause was mentioned at
>a concert, really. You've been to enough concerts to know the "risk." At
>least half the time you'd probably go "woo! USA!" For the rest, I don't
>see you holding a grudge about one comment for 20 years. Am I right?
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87961 is a reply to message #87956] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 15:38 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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I'm not defending ticket brokers, but I do know a licensed ticket broker,
and some times they take a bath on tickets. This guy I know lost about 50K
on a Frank Sinatra show he invested heavily in to. He almost went bankrupt,
and his wife filed for divorce shortly after that. Ticket brokers do have
accounts to get good tickets. They also camp out over night some times for
some shows. Winter in Detroit is brutal, it's not a place you want to camp
out over night. With the bad economy here in Detroit, I'm sure he's hurting.
There prices are way too high for me.
I've also been at show that were sold out and had scalpers try to sell me
lawn tickets for $350.00, so yeah, I'm not fond of scalpers.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>So the artist should charge far less than the price the market would set,
>so that scalpers (who add zero value) can make money on the spread between
>between the face value and actual value? I'd rather the musician make the
>money.
>
>TCB
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>His point was vary clear! He made it clear that he didn't like America
>or
>>Americans. It wasn't about politics, it wasn't about government policies,
>>it wasn't about Apple computer. But hey, if you want to defend him, go
>for
>>it.
>>
>>I was just conveying a story and thoughts on ticket prices. I personally
>>won't give an arrogant pompous ass like Sting another penny, even if I
do
>>like their music, was my point. As I stated, he insulted the vary people
>>that payed to see them. I certainly won't pay to be insulted again. By
>>the way, they were vary boring in concert.
>>
>>The police tickets now are as high as $227.50 a pop, that is a gouge!
If
>>people are stupid enough to pay those kind of prices, then so be it. The
>>problem is, it sets the standards for ticket prices. I personally think
>>it's greedy to charge those kind of prices for concert tickets, but that
>>is just my opinion.
>>
>>Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
>>>hang around this news group long. :^)
>>>
>>>Apple sucks.
>>>
>>>So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's.
>>>That's an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's
>>
>>>learned a few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him
>>>from the USA or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our
>>>legendary patience and generosity, and look forward?
>>>
>>>Apple sucks more than Dell.
>>>
>>>America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid
>>>criticism or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our
>>>constitution direclty protects our right to criticize America, our
>>>current or past leaders, etc.
>>>
>>>Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>>>
>>>In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>>>
>>>Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>>>
>>>Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
>>
>>>misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>
>>>better understood his point, whatever it was.
>>>
>>>Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>>>
>>>In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>>>
>>>I like my Mac.
>>>
>>>Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>>>
>>>BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
>>
>>>in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
>>>and be a catalyst for people to think.
>>>
>>>It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>
>>>ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>>>
>>>It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>>
>>>Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>>>further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace
of
>>
>>>ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>
>>>tradition.
>>>
>>>It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
>
>>>not be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>DJ wrote:
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46946f13$1@linux...
>>>>> What did he say??
>>>>>
>>>>> If Sting offended James it was probably a slur against Apple. :^)
>>>>>
>>>>> I will listen to anyone talk about politics any time any where. However
>>if
>>>>> they are spouting nonsense then I'll want to talk back. ;^)
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not at all against musicians having opinions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't mind listening to political opinion. I do mind "paying" to do
>>listen
>>>> to it when I have come to hear music, not polital diatribe (unless I
>know
>>
>>>> ahead of time, as in I know the lyrics ar political and I'm choosing
>to
>>hear
>>>> them anyway). Musicians can have all the opinion they want. What amazes
>>me
>>>> is that rational people actually think the opinions of musicians (and
>>
>>>> actors) are important and should be give some sort of additional weight,
>>
>>>> when the opposite is probably true.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>James McCloskey wrote:
>>> > I don't remember what exactly he said, it was back in the 80s. It
>>>was not
>>> > about government policies. It was more like, Americans suck,
>>>americans are
>>> > stupid people, our american ways suck, our american idiosyncrasies
>>>are stupid
>>> > and irritating. It was arrogant and insulting, trust me.
>>> >
>>
>
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87969 is a reply to message #87950] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 20:28 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46952c61@linux...
> DJ wrote:
>> Hi thereJaimie ,
>
> Hey Deej!
>
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>> news:46950060$1@linux...
>>> If I held grudges about arrogant and insulting statements I wouldn't
>>> hang around this news group long. :^)
>>
>> LOL!!!!!
>>
>>> Apple sucks.
>>>
>>> So, two things: Let's say Sting said "Americans suck" in the 80's.
>>> That's an ignorant generalization. But now it's 2007, do you think he's
>>> learned a few things since then? Should we start a crusade to ban him
>>> from the USA or should we prove that WE don't suck, and show our
>>> legendary patience and generosity, and look forward?
>>>
>>> Apple sucks more than Dell.
>>>
>>> America is big enough and strong enough to take criticism. Valid
>>> criticism or ignorant criticism, we hear it all every day. Our
>>> constitution direclty protects our right to criticize America, our
>>> current or past leaders, etc.
>>>
>>
>> That's not the point, from my perspective. The point is that I don't pay
>> money to be insulted or included in someone else's agenda.
>
> Actually I don't go to shows to be insulted either. But a lot of people
> must. Witness punk shows, rap shows, standup comedy sets. Or a revival
> service.
>
> As far as being included in someone else's agenda, better stay away from
> country music then. And let your hazy drug days blank out any of the rock
> shows you've been to since the 60s where politics was a regular
> undercurrent.
>
>
>>> Apple sucks more than Microsoft.
>>>
>>> In fact, in America we can even criticize the almight Sting.
>>
>> I don't really care what Sting thinks as long as I don't pay to listen to
>> it.
>
> I guess you've never bought one of his CDs.
I love his music. I own a couple of his CD's. I wouldn't be happy if I paid
money to go to one of his concerts and was subjected to a bunch of verbal
tripe however.
>
>
>>> Apple doesn't really suck. Much.
>>>
>>> Second thing, let's say Sting didn't exactly say "American suck" and you
>>> misinterpreted what he said. Let's say the people who cheered actually
>>> better understood his point, whatever it was.
>>>
>>> Apple has made some pretty good products, actually.
>>>
>>> In that case, a 20ish year grudge against Sting just looks foolish.
>>
>> I agree that "we" don't know what he said and so we can only take James'
>> word for it, which I have no real reason to dispute.
>
> We also have James' word that others in the audience cheered. So not
> everyone was as appalled as he was. Apparently there was a dispute at the
> time in the audience.
I saw a bumper sticker today that said "49% of America agrees with 99% of
the rest of the world" So does this mean 49% of America doesn't give a ****
about America's national soveriegnty and wishes there wasn't an America? I'd
say there's a pretty good case to be made for this and for the idea that 49%
of Americans and 99% of the rest of the world agree with this without really
understanding that their arsses and a good portion of the world's arsses
would be in a world of shit if the other 51% of America wasn't willing to
stand up and say FU to someone like Sting who, though entitled to whatever
opinions he may have, is not entitled spout rhetoric on my dollar. Shut up
and sing............Sting. I'm gonna have to go with James on this one.
>
>
>>> I like my Mac.
>>>
>>> Even in the first case, a 20ish year grudge might be a bit much.
>>
>> Yeah....I agree, but we make decisions based on experience and this
>> particular experience was obviously an offensive one to James. This is,
>> to me, more about money than opinion.
>>
>>> BTW, I agree that the opinions of musicians have no special validity but
>>> in some cases they might have more reach. The arts can be provocative
>>> and be a catalyst for people to think.
>>>
>>> It's cool with me when musicians use their whole experience, including
>>> ideas and opinions, as grist for their artistic mills.
>>
>> Yeah, but personally (having "been there and done that") I would say that
>> the opinions of at least 70% of the "artists" out there who are
>> screaming about this cause or that cause (and especially those who sit
>> around an rant about how they are "against" this cause or that cause) are
>> heavily influenced by their emotional state relative to the amounts of
>> whatever intoxicant they may happen to be imibing at the time. This
>> pretty much disqualifies them from any serious consideration, IMO, and
>> though there are many who don't stay "influenced" more often than not,
>> there are enough who do to taint the credibility of the entire
>> entertainment industry in gerneral (IMO)
>
> If you're saying I shouldn't listen to you because you've done drugs, then
> OK. ;^)
I'd say that a history of substance use, recreational or otherwise
definitely calls someones veracity into question....including mine. Look at
the shit that I do 'fer chrissakes!!! ;o) Did I behave this way before the
60's. Hell no.......I was too young! ;o) I don't expect my opinions to be
taken seriously just because they are my opinions. To give me the benefit of
the doubt without some sort of reference point would be crazy.
> The point is A) artists have the right to share their passions in their
> art. What that can do on the positive side is stimulate discussion. And B)
> we have the right to research anyone's assertions and develop our own
> opinions. If we don't, we're the idiots.
>
>>> It can be very stimulating and rewarding when artists share in that way.
>>> Anyone who takes the opinion of someone else without looking into it
>>> further is foolish. But the exposure of ideas in the free marketplace of
>>> ideas is part of our cultural foundation, and artists are part of that
>>> tradition.
>>
>> I agree.........and often the more irrational sector of that tradition as
>> well.
>
> Actually the MOST irrational sector is on talk radio.
Actually....the scariest thing is that along with the irrationality is a lot
of truth. The things that created talk radio are the things that keep
fuelling it.
>
>
>>> It's cool with me when people, even musicians, support causes. I would
>>> not be shocked to go to a concert and hear about a cause.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
Me either. I was backstage with Van Halen at a concert in the late 70's.
There were some incredible "causes" being supported.
>>
>> Causes are great. Everyone should have one. My paying for some stoner or
>> angry activist to shoot off his/her mouth is my option.
>
> One man's angry activist is another's brave crusader. It's not the
> opinions or causes, it's the ones we happen to disagree with that offend.
> But then the guy next to you might be cheering. To James, that guy is an
> idiot. To that guy, maybe James is an idiot. Maybe they should talk and
> get beyond mutual demonization.
>
> I kinda doubt you would be all that shocked if a cause was mentioned at a
> concert, really. You've been to enough concerts to know the "risk." At
> least half the time you'd probably go "woo! USA!" For the rest, I don't
> see you holding a grudge about one comment for 20 years. Am I right?
Twenty years ago??.hell man......I don't remember **** about what happened
20 yea..........oh wait!!!.....did I tell you the story about this Van Halen
concert back in the 70's?
;o)
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87971 is a reply to message #87969] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 21:00 |
Jamie K
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DJ wrote:
> I saw a bumper sticker today that said "49% of America agrees with 99% of
> the rest of the world" So does this mean 49% of America doesn't give a ****
> about America's national soveriegnty and wishes there wasn't an America?
No. I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that.
> I'd
> say there's a pretty good case to be made for this and for the idea that 49%
> of Americans and 99% of the rest of the world agree with this without really
> understanding that their arsses and a good portion of the world's arsses
> would be in a world of shit if the other 51% of America wasn't willing to
> stand up and say FU to someone like Sting who, though entitled to whatever
> opinions he may have, is not entitled spout rhetoric on my dollar. Shut up
> and sing............Sting. I'm gonna have to go with James on this one.
Yeah, maybe you're right, Deej. I guess the only option is to smart bomb
Sting's studio. We simply can't put up with this national affront from
the 80s. Why didn't Reagan move on this immediately? Stupid left wing
Reagan!
Anyhoo, you get to decide what you do in your studio. Sting gets to
decide what he does at his shows. If in the 80s when people were still
trying to be edgy like the Sex Pistols, if Sting wanted to risk
insulting a few people while apparently making others cheer, that was
his call to make. James can boycott him for the rest of his life, and
that's his call. I can question that decision and that's my call. You
can question my question and that's your call. Freedom rocks.
> I'd say that a history of substance use, recreational or otherwise
> definitely calls someones veracity into question....including mine. Look at
> the shit that I do 'fer chrissakes!!! ;o) Did I behave this way before the
> 60's. Hell no.......I was too young! ;o) I don't expect my opinions to be
> taken seriously just because they are my opinions. To give me the benefit of
> the doubt without some sort of reference point would be crazy.
I am feeling a little crazy today but I'll try to keep your advice in
mind. It's because I'm playing drums at a gig this weekend. Drummers are
all a little crazy.
>> Actually the MOST irrational sector is on talk radio.
>
> Actually....the scariest thing is that along with the irrationality is a lot
> of truth. The things that created talk radio are the things that keep
> fuelling it.
The way truth is used in blather-head talk radio is the same way worms
are used in fishing. They use just enough to conceal the hook.
My advice is to KEEP SWIMMING.
> Me either. I was backstage with Van Halen at a concert in the late 70's.
> There were some incredible "causes" being supported.
Heh, I worked an AC/DC concert once. We can trade stories...
>> I kinda doubt you would be all that shocked if a cause was mentioned at a
>> concert, really. You've been to enough concerts to know the "risk." At
>> least half the time you'd probably go "woo! USA!" For the rest, I don't
>> see you holding a grudge about one comment for 20 years. Am I right?
>
> Twenty years ago??.hell man......I don't remember **** about what happened
> 20 yea..........oh wait!!!.....did I tell you the story about this Van Halen
> concert back in the 70's?
:^)
Rock on!
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87973 is a reply to message #87969] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 21:31 |
Dedric Terry
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On 7/11/07 9:28 PM, in article 4695a141@linux, "DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _
dot _ net> wrote:
>
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46952c61@linux...
>> DJ wrote:
> I saw a bumper sticker today that said "49% of America agrees with 99% of
> the rest of the world" So does this mean 49% of America doesn't give a ****
> about America's national soveriegnty and wishes there wasn't an America? I'd
> say there's a pretty good case to be made for this and for the idea that 49%
> of Americans and 99% of the rest of the world agree with this without really
> understanding that their arsses and a good portion of the world's arsses
> would be in a world of shit if the other 51% of America wasn't willing to
> stand up and say FU to someone like Sting who, though entitled to whatever
> opinions he may have, is not entitled spout rhetoric on my dollar. Shut up
> and sing............Sting. I'm gonna have to go with James on this one.
>>
I may be out of turn interjecting into this thread, but my side observation
is that the saddest thing this all implies (not of anyone in this thread) is
that our country is becoming more concerned with the "right" to say anything
than taking responsibility for what we say and how we say it.
Is someone exercising their "right" to say in concert that they hate America
really making us a better country? Better individuals? Is it really making
them a better musician, or the concert a better show? It seems integrity,
honor and respect aren't worth very much anymore, though it also seems to
that to many this country is about freedom "from" those responsibilities,
not freedom because of a firm embracing of them.
If Sting wanted to be a butthead that night, that's his business, really.
But it doesn't mean he is due any admiration because of it, and it would be
sad if that alone actually sold more tickets.
Rock stars and movie stars are not roll models for the next generation,
current generation, last generation or m-m-m-my g-g-generation. They are
just entertainers, that's all - and far too many are barely passing for
responsible adults.
I don't go to concerts or movies put on by musicians, actors/actresses,
directors, etc that like to run their mouths just because they have a
captive audience. I go see people performing their craft with expertise,
passion and enthusiasm - no hidden/secondary agenda (not that we go see much
of anything beyond Chuckee Cheese with kids ;-). Saying what you think is
one thing, but saying what you think in a way that others will respect you
seems to be becoming a long lost art.
>>>> Apple sucks.
Really?? Sigh. You had to go and crush my gear lust (iPhone). I was also
just starting to think about getting a Mac next time around. Gee, thanks
Jamie. ;-))
Regards,
Dedric
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87976 is a reply to message #87973] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 23:18 |
Jamie K
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Dedric Terry wrote:
> I may be out of turn interjecting into this thread, but my side observation
> is that the saddest thing this all implies (not of anyone in this thread) is
> that our country is becoming more concerned with the "right" to say anything
> than taking responsibility for what we say and how we say it.
How so? Is this just an impression based on something, (we don't exactly
know what), that Sting was supposed to have said at one concert more
than 20 years ago? Is that "this all"?
There needs to be more to it than that for there to be a trend here. Got
stats?
It's entirely possible to protect freedom AND promote personal
responsibility. Both.
> Is someone exercising their "right" to say in concert that they hate America
> really making us a better country? Better individuals? Is it really making
> them a better musician, or the concert a better show?
I think it's still an open question what Sting said and meant on that
fateful night. James doesn't remember the exact words, he just remembers
being pissed off while others cheered. And his lasting impression is
that Sting is a hater of all Americans. I'd like to hear what the
cheering people's impression was. I'll bet there's another side to it.
Actually, though, 20 years ago? I don't really think it's all that
cogent to now. I don't really believe Sting hates American people as a
group, do you?
> It seems integrity,
> honor and respect aren't worth very much anymore, though it also seems to
> that to many this country is about freedom "from" those responsibilities,
> not freedom because of a firm embracing of them.
We in the USA claim freedom is a natural, fundamental right.
Defending freedom, or speculation about being worthy of freedom are
other topics.
Integrity honor and respect are also great topics.
> If Sting wanted to be a butthead that night, that's his business, really.
> But it doesn't mean he is due any admiration because of it, and it would be
> sad if that alone actually sold more tickets.
This is the first I've heard of a claimed anti-American-people bias by
Sting. I'm not going to judge him on a single report.
> Rock stars and movie stars are not roll models for the next generation,
> current generation, last generation or m-m-m-my g-g-generation. They are
> just entertainers, that's all - and far too many are barely passing for
> responsible adults.
Some are role models, others are not, IMO.
> I don't go to concerts or movies put on by musicians, actors/actresses,
> directors, etc that like to run their mouths just because they have a
> captive audience. I go see people performing their craft with expertise,
> passion and enthusiasm - no hidden/secondary agenda (not that we go see much
> of anything beyond Chuckee Cheese with kids ;-).
Beware of Chuckee's agenda!
> Saying what you think is
> one thing, but saying what you think in a way that others will respect you
> seems to be becoming a long lost art.
True, between individuals and between countries. I hope the next
administration does a better job with diplomacy.
>>>>> Apple sucks.
>
> Really?? Sigh. You had to go and crush my gear lust (iPhone). I was also
> just starting to think about getting a Mac next time around. Gee, thanks
> Jamie. ;-))
What would you do with all your spare time? Better stay with Vista.
Someone has to buy it so Apple doesn't get too big. :^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Regards,
> Dedric
>
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87982 is a reply to message #87971] |
Thu, 12 July 2007 05:37 |
DJ
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"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4695a8d8@linux...
> DJ wrote:
>> I saw a bumper sticker today that said "49% of America agrees with 99% of
>> the rest of the world" So does this mean 49% of America doesn't give a
>> **** about America's national soveriegnty and wishes there wasn't an
>> America?
>
> No. I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that.
I'm not so sure.
>
>
> > I'd
>> say there's a pretty good case to be made for this and for the idea that
>> 49% of Americans and 99% of the rest of the world agree with this without
>> really understanding that their arsses and a good portion of the world's
>> arsses would be in a world of shit if the other 51% of America wasn't
>> willing to stand up and say FU to someone like Sting who, though entitled
>> to whatever opinions he may have, is not entitled spout rhetoric on my
>> dollar. Shut up and sing............Sting. I'm gonna have to go with
>> James on this one.
>
> Yeah, maybe you're right, Deej. I guess the only option is to smart bomb
> Sting's studio. We simply can't put up with this national affront from the
> 80s. Why didn't Reagan move on this immediately? Stupid left wing Reagan!
Smart bombs weren't really perfected in the 80's so he might have missed and
hit a school or something and caused collateral damage? You know how those
liberals jump up and down and scream about collateral damage don't you? ;o)
"Real ,men" bomb embassies and stuff like that.
>
> Anyhoo, you get to decide what you do in your studio. Sting gets to decide
> what he does at his shows. If in the 80s when people were still trying to
> be edgy like the Sex Pistols, if Sting wanted to risk insulting a few
> people while apparently making others cheer, that was his call to make.
> James can boycott him for the rest of his life, and that's his call. I can
> question that decision and that's my call. You can question my question
> and that's your call. Freedom rocks.
>
>
>> I'd say that a history of substance use, recreational or otherwise
>> definitely calls someones veracity into question....including mine. Look
>> at the shit that I do 'fer chrissakes!!! ;o) Did I behave this way
>> before the 60's. Hell no.......I was too young! ;o) I don't expect my
>> opinions to be taken seriously just because they are my opinions. To give
>> me the benefit of the doubt without some sort of reference point would be
>> crazy.
>
> I am feeling a little crazy today but I'll try to keep your advice in
> mind. It's because I'm playing drums at a gig this weekend. Drummers are
> all a little crazy.
>
................but they get to beat on stuff. Very good for the subliminal
anger/frustration factor. I say, if you're gonna be a drummer and you're not
already pissed off about something, get pissed off about something. ;o)
>
>>> Actually the MOST irrational sector is on talk radio.
>>
>> Actually....the scariest thing is that along with the irrationality is a
>> lot of truth. The things that created talk radio are the things that keep
>> fuelling it.
>
> The way truth is used in blather-head talk radio is the same way worms are
> used in fishing. They use just enough to conceal the hook.
>
> My advice is to KEEP SWIMMING.
>
>
>> Me either. I was backstage with Van Halen at a concert in the late 70's.
>> There were some incredible "causes" being supported.
>
> Heh, I worked an AC/DC concert once. We can trade stories...
..................does Angus really like his groupies to put on "little
catholic schoolgirl" costumes?
>
>
>>> I kinda doubt you would be all that shocked if a cause was mentioned at
>>> a concert, really. You've been to enough concerts to know the "risk." At
>>> least half the time you'd probably go "woo! USA!" For the rest, I don't
>>> see you holding a grudge about one comment for 20 years. Am I right?
>>
>> Twenty years ago??.hell man......I don't remember **** about what
>> happened 20 yea..........oh wait!!!.....did I tell you the story about
>> this Van Halen concert back in the 70's?
>
> :^)
>
> Rock on!
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87990 is a reply to message #87976] |
Thu, 12 July 2007 08:12 |
Dedric Terry
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On 7/12/07 12:18 AM, in article 4695c929@linux, "Jamie K"
<Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
> Dedric Terry wrote:
>> I may be out of turn interjecting into this thread, but my side observation
>> is that the saddest thing this all implies (not of anyone in this thread) is
>> that our country is becoming more concerned with the "right" to say anything
>> than taking responsibility for what we say and how we say it.
>
> How so? Is this just an impression based on something, (we don't exactly
> know what), that Sting was supposed to have said at one concert more
> than 20 years ago? Is that "this all"?
Yes it is based on many years of living here with my eyes and ears open. :-)
And how is it this became a thread based on arguing about what someone else
said someone else said 20 years ago. ;-) That's kind of the point. It
seems to be enough of a concern to defend what Sting might have said 20
years ago, without knowing if it was just the Vodka talking. ;-)
No, there also aren't any stats on your opinion either.
Also, the French don't like Americans. My French teacher told us that 20
years ago (at least Parisians - aka les Parisiennes) . She had just gotten
back from France. I heard her say it myself. Of course I would still love
to visit France, and Italy, Spain, the UK, etc.
>>>>>> Apple sucks.
>>
>> Really?? Sigh. You had to go and crush my gear lust (iPhone). I was also
>> just starting to think about getting a Mac next time around. Gee, thanks
>> Jamie. ;-))
>
> What would you do with all your spare time? Better stay with Vista.
> Someone has to buy it so Apple doesn't get too big. :^)
Only have a laptop on Vista, and it actually is working quite well despite
the FUD around Vista. Everything else is XP. I've only avoided Apple
because Apple and Mac users can never actually come up with a convincing
argument for Macs that even came close to refuting my own conclusions, and
until recently the pretty logos and cases cost the same as a full PC. ;-)
Still more expensive, but not so much so anymore.
Some features in Leopard are enticing. Still want to see a head to head
performance with Nuendo, plugin counts, disk streaming, DSP cards, multicore
use between OSX and XP before considering the leap though. I also have a
ton of software that is PC only that I'll either have to crossgrade, or keep
on a farm PC - pretty costly proposition either way (money or workflow). It
also really comes down to shortening the transition between my clients'
systems and mine - pretty painless now, but avoiding the Fat32 Firewire
drive transfer Mac to PC (2G file limit in Fat32) would help.
If a Mac can magically grant me spare time I'll go buy one, or 3 today.
I'm dreaming of having a day off...someday.
Regards,
Dedric
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87993 is a reply to message #87990] |
Thu, 12 July 2007 08:45 |
Jamie K
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Dedric Terry wrote:
> On 7/12/07 12:18 AM, in article 4695c929@linux, "Jamie K"
> <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> I may be out of turn interjecting into this thread, but my side observation
>>> is that the saddest thing this all implies (not of anyone in this thread) is
>>> that our country is becoming more concerned with the "right" to say anything
>>> than taking responsibility for what we say and how we say it.
>> How so? Is this just an impression based on something, (we don't exactly
>> know what), that Sting was supposed to have said at one concert more
>> than 20 years ago? Is that "this all"?
>
> Yes it is based on many years of living here with my eyes and ears open. :-)
> And how is it this became a thread based on arguing about what someone else
> said someone else said 20 years ago. ;-) That's kind of the point. It
> seems to be enough of a concern to defend what Sting might have said 20
> years ago, without knowing if it was just the Vodka talking. ;-)
>
> No, there also aren't any stats on your opinion either.
Not needed from this perspective. I'm not trying to generalizing a trend
from one event, or from a personal feeling.
However, stats and evidence are needed if you are going to try and
deduce a trend in a convincing way. Otherwise it's just idle speculation.
I didn't defend Sting for saying he hates all Americans. I said that if
he did say such a thing it would be ignorant.
But we don't know what he said exactly. We just know that one witness
had one conclusion, but the same witness also remembers other witnesses
cheering which raises doubt about Sting's intended meaning. "The Vodka
talking" is a possibility, as you say. Or not. I wasn't there and the
picture is murky and faded.
I would not write an article based on one such report to try and claim
that Sting hates all of the American people today, or even that he
really hated all of the American people back then. That would be
ludicrous. I can't judge Sting due to one incident 20 years ago
incompletely reported. It would take further evidence.
Especially since his lyrics are not lyrics of national hate. Quite the
contrary.
> Also, the French don't like Americans. My French teacher told us that 20
> years ago (at least Parisians - aka les Parisiennes) . She had just gotten
> back from France. I heard her say it myself. Of course I would still love
> to visit France, and Italy, Spain, the UK, etc.
Before we digress into national generalizations, is Sting French? I
thought he was English.
Travel is wonderful. You should go. I should go. Let's go.
>>>>>>> Apple sucks.
>>> Really?? Sigh. You had to go and crush my gear lust (iPhone). I was also
>>> just starting to think about getting a Mac next time around. Gee, thanks
>>> Jamie. ;-))
>> What would you do with all your spare time? Better stay with Vista.
>> Someone has to buy it so Apple doesn't get too big. :^)
>
> Only have a laptop on Vista, and it actually is working quite well despite
> the FUD around Vista. Everything else is XP. I've only avoided Apple
> because Apple and Mac users can never actually come up with a convincing
> argument for Macs that even came close to refuting my own conclusions, and
> until recently the pretty logos and cases cost the same as a full PC. ;-)
> Still more expensive, but not so much so anymore.
Dang, you're catching on. We'll have to add more pretty logos to repel you.
Immediate action is required. Both you and Deej have mentioned
considering Macs. This is really bad for the exclusivity factor, and it
will hurt Apple's ability to play the underdog card. Once you guys get
Macs everyone will get them. Apple will become completely insufferable.
We will find a way to stop you! :^)
> Some features in Leopard are enticing. Still want to see a head to head
> performance with Nuendo, plugin counts, disk streaming, DSP cards, multicore
> use between OSX and XP before considering the leap though.
If you do such a test or run across one, let us know. That would be very
interesting, especially if Nuendo is coded efficiently for both
platforms. (If it's not, then it wouldn't be a good comparison test.)
> I also have a
> ton of software that is PC only that I'll either have to crossgrade, or keep
> on a farm PC - pretty costly proposition either way (money or workflow). It
> also really comes down to shortening the transition between my clients'
> systems and mine - pretty painless now, but avoiding the Fat32 Firewire
> drive transfer Mac to PC (2G file limit in Fat32) would help.
>
> If a Mac can magically grant me spare time I'll go buy one, or 3 today.
> I'm dreaming of having a day off...someday.
Busy is good. Travel is good. How about getting a MacBook Pro and doing
your work on the way to Italy? :^)
Except don't get a MacBook Pro. Just use your steam-powered fifty pound
Vista box with the serrated knives mounted to the keys. ;^)
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Regards,
> Dedric
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>
>
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| Re: Need some bass? [message #87994 is a reply to message #87982] |
Thu, 12 July 2007 09:16 |
Jamie K
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DJ wrote:
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4695a8d8@linux...
>> DJ wrote:
>>> I saw a bumper sticker today that said "49% of America agrees with 99% of
>>> the rest of the world" So does this mean 49% of America doesn't give a
>>> **** about America's national soveriegnty and wishes there wasn't an
>>> America?
>> No. I'm pretty sure it doesn't mean that.
>
> I'm not so sure.
Drug use increases paranoia?
>>> I'd
>>> say there's a pretty good case to be made for this and for the idea that
>>> 49% of Americans and 99% of the rest of the world agree with this without
>>> really understanding that their arsses and a good portion of the world's
>>> arsses would be in a world of shit if the other 51% of America wasn't
>>> willing to stand up and say FU to someone like Sting who, though entitled
>>> to whatever opinions he may have, is not entitled spout rhetoric on my
>>> dollar. Shut up and sing............Sting. I'm gonna have to go with
>>> James on this one.
>> Yeah, maybe you're right, Deej. I guess the only option is to smart bomb
>> Sting's studio. We simply can't put up with this national affront from the
>> 80s. Why didn't Reagan move on this immediately? Stupid left wing Reagan!
>
> Smart bombs weren't really perfected in the 80's so he might have missed and
> hit a school or something and caused collateral damage? You know how those
> liberals jump up and down and scream about collateral damage don't you? ;o)
> "Real ,men" bomb embassies and stuff like that.
Don't you think it would be worth killing any number of innocent people
to put a stop to Sting's clear threat to the American way? If we lost
all of England, it would be well worth it, don't you think?
>> Anyhoo, you get to decide what you do in your studio. Sting gets to decide
>> what he does at his shows. If in the 80s when people were still trying to
>> be edgy like the Sex Pistols, if Sting wanted to risk insulting a few
>> people while apparently making others cheer, that was his call to make.
>> James can boycott him for the rest of his life, and that's his call. I can
>> question that decision and that's my call. You can question my question
>> and that's your call. Freedom rocks.
>>
>>
>>> I'd say that a history of substance use, recreational or otherwise
>>> definitely calls someones veracity into question....including mine. Look
>>> at the shit that I do 'fer chrissakes!!! ;o) Did I behave this way
>>> before the 60's. Hell no.......I was too young! ;o) I don't expect my
>>> opinions to be taken seriously just because they are my opinions. To give
>>> me the benefit of the doubt without some sort of reference point would be
>>> crazy.
>> I am feeling a little crazy today but I'll try to keep your advice in
>> mind. It's because I'm playing drums at a gig this weekend. Drummers are
>> all a little crazy.
>>
> ...............but they get to beat on stuff. Very good for the subliminal
> anger/frustration factor. I say, if you're gonna be a drummer and you're not
> already pissed off about something, get pissed off about something. ;o)
It's great therapy. If everyone played drums there would be no war.
Other than a possible increase in battle of the bands incidents...
>>>> Actually the MOST irrational sector is on talk radio.
>>> Actually....the scariest thing is that along with the irrationality is a
>>> lot of truth. The things that created talk radio are the things that keep
>>> fuelling it.
>> The way truth is used in blather-head talk radio is the same way worms are
>> used in fishing. They use just enough to conceal the hook.
>>
>> My advice is to KEEP SWIMMING.
>>
>>
>>> Me either. I was backstage with Van Halen at a concert in the late 70's.
>>> There were some incredible "causes" being supported.
>> Heh, I worked an AC/DC concert once. We can trade stories...
>
> .................does Angus really like his groupies to put on "little
> catholic schoolgirl" costumes?
Heh. That I didn't see...
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>> I kinda doubt you would be all that shocked if a cause was mentioned at
>>>> a concert, really. You've been to enough concerts to know the "risk." At
>>>> least half the time you'd probably go "woo! USA!" For the rest, I don't
>>>> see you holding a grudge about one comment for 20 years. Am I right?
>>> Twenty years ago??.hell man......I don't remember **** about what
>>> happened 20 yea..........oh wait!!!.....did I tell you the story about
>>> this Van Halen concert back in the 70's?
>> :^)
>>
>> Rock on!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
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