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stereo soundstaging [message #87458]

Tue, 03 July 2007 07:37

John [1]
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Registered: September 2005

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I'm listening to various songs and on some of them an instrument is the same
in both channels except in one channel there is room ambience/reverb and
in the other none.

It's a great effect because the instrument seems to stay centered in the
mix yet have a stereo image to it.

So what's going on in the brain here. What is it our ears are really hearing.
Is it making our brain hear the instrument in 2 acoustic spaces making it
much more interesting with this effect?

It's a great trick. I just want to know what you guys think.

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Re: stereo soundstaging [message #87459 is a reply to message #87458]

Tue, 03 July 2007 07:48

excelav

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Speaking of this kind of thing, play the song, Eminence Front by The Who and
play with the pan knob.

"John" <no@No.com> wrote:
>
>I'm listening to various songs and on some of them an instrument is the
same
>in both channels except in one channel there is room ambience/reverb and
>in the other none.
>
>It's a great effect because the instrument seems to stay centered in the
>mix yet have a stereo image to it.
>
>So what's going on in the brain here. What is it our ears are really hearing.
> Is it making our brain hear the instrument in 2 acoustic spaces making
it
>much more interesting with this effect?
>
>It's a great trick. I just want to know what you guys think.

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Re: stereo soundstaging [message #87460 is a reply to message #87458]

Mon, 02 July 2007 07:46

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Registered: July 2005

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Panned stereo reverb. It's possible to do some cool things with mono delays
set upt to provide side-to-side reflections and and a stereo reverb with a
predelay control to control front-to-back positioning. You can get
ridculously anal about this stuff and if you're not careful, you can take a
perfectly good mix and **** it up really quick.

;o)

"John" <no@No.com> wrote in message news:468a5f45$1@linux...
>
> I'm listening to various songs and on some of them an instrument is the
> same
> in both channels except in one channel there is room ambience/reverb and
> in the other none.
>
> It's a great effect because the instrument seems to stay centered in the
> mix yet have a stereo image to it.
>
> So what's going on in the brain here. What is it our ears are really
> hearing.
> Is it making our brain hear the instrument in 2 acoustic spaces making it
> much more interesting with this effect?
>
> It's a great trick. I just want to know what you guys think.

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Re: stereo soundstaging [message #87461 is a reply to message #87460]

Tue, 03 July 2007 08:01

John [1]
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but what's it doing when you only have one channel with the verb and the other
is dry of the same signal

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Re: stereo soundstaging [message #87470 is a reply to message #87461]

Tue, 03 July 2007 13:49

Neil
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"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>but what's it doing when you only have one channel with the verb and the
other
>is dry of the same signal

I don't think I've ever heard a mix like that, excepot for maybe
some early stereo stuff... what song(s) artist(s) are you hearing
this on?

Neil

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Re: stereo soundstaging [message #87482 is a reply to message #87470]

Tue, 03 July 2007 16:05

John [1]
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I'm hearing it on some ac/dc snare drums

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Re: stereo soundstaging [message #87483 is a reply to message #87482]

Tue, 03 July 2007 16:15

John [1]
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Specifically the intro to highway to hell. snare left has verb, snare right
does not seem to have anywhere near as much but has guitar in right also.

kelly industries stereo tools vst lets you put left in both channels or right
in both for comparison

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Re: stereo soundstaging [message #87489 is a reply to message #87458]

Tue, 03 July 2007 16:32

Aaron Allen

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I think Eddie VanHalen made this a super guitar sound :)

AA

"John" <no@No.com> wrote in message news:468a5f45$1@linux...
>
> I'm listening to various songs and on some of them an instrument is the
> same
> in both channels except in one channel there is room ambience/reverb and
> in the other none.
>
> It's a great effect because the instrument seems to stay centered in the
> mix yet have a stereo image to it.
>
> So what's going on in the brain here. What is it our ears are really
> hearing.
> Is it making our brain hear the instrument in 2 acoustic spaces making it
> much more interesting with this effect?
>
> It's a great trick. I just want to know what you guys think.

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Re: stereo soundstaging [message #87495 is a reply to message #87459]

Tue, 03 July 2007 18:22

John [1]
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Anything specific in Eminence Front? I'm noticing in particular that the
drums sound fantastic and BIG !

Gimmie something to find in it !! ;-)

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Re: stereo soundstaging [message #87498 is a reply to message #87495]

Tue, 03 July 2007 19:43

excelav

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Location: Metro Detroit

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"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>
>Anything specific in Eminence Front? I'm noticing in particular that the
>drums sound fantastic and BIG !
>
>Gimmie something to find in it !! ;-)

Listen to each side. As I recall, the lead vocal sounds like it's in the
center or there about. When you pan it's on one side. It's dry and there
are some ambient reverberated lead VOX tails on some passages on the other
side. There are some other panning and wet dry things going on in the mix.
When you pan around and listen, it's kind of a weird mix. When you pan
center it all comes together. I just wonder what would happen and what you
would hear if you played with the phase. It's a different approach to mixing.

Sometimes it's good to listen to some mixes on one side at a time. And yeah,
the drums are great.

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Re: stereo soundstaging [message #87524 is a reply to message #87498]

Wed, 04 July 2007 03:46

John

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Ok, I'll check it out but I have a theory on mentally what's happening
with verb on one channel and none on the other. My theory is that if
you have verb on both your ear hears a room, not your room but another
room.

My thought is that if you have the verb in predominantly one side (verb
channel left has 30% in right also for glue, and right has 30% left)
that your ear hears the dry and the verb and tricks your brain into
thinking the verb is YOUR room making the instrument seem closer to
actually being there.

It's the coolest effect I've heard yet !!

james McCloskey wrote:
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>> Anything specific in Eminence Front? I'm noticing in particular that the
>> drums sound fantastic and BIG !
>>
>> Gimmie something to find in it !! ;-)
>
> Listen to each side. As I recall, the lead vocal sounds like it's in the
> center or there about. When you pan it's on one side. It's dry and there
> are some ambient reverberated lead VOX tails on some passages on the other
> side. There are some other panning and wet dry things going on in the mix.
> When you pan around and listen, it's kind of a weird mix. When you pan
> center it all comes together. I just wonder what would happen and what you
> would hear if you played with the phase. It's a different approach to mixing.
>
> Sometimes it's good to listen to some mixes on one side at a time. And yeah,
> the drums are great.
>

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Re: stereo soundstaging [message #87553 is a reply to message #87498]

Wed, 04 July 2007 11:39

John [1]
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Registered: September 2005

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I don't hear anything special other than the great drums. They two keyboard
sequencers are left right as are the guitars, the rhodes comes in later and
the vocals seem very centered. The drums are wonderful.

"james McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
>>
>>Anything specific in Eminence Front? I'm noticing in particular that the
>>drums sound fantastic and BIG !
>>
>>Gimmie something to find in it !! ;-)
>
>Listen to each side. As I recall, the lead vocal sounds like it's in the
>center or there about. When you pan it's on one side. It's dry and there
>are some ambient reverberated lead VOX tails on some passages on the other
>side. There are some other panning and wet dry things going on in the mix.
> When you pan around and listen, it's kind of a weird mix. When you pan
>center it all comes together. I just wonder what would happen and what
you
>would hear if you played with the phase. It's a different approach to mixing.
>
>Sometimes it's good to listen to some mixes on one side at a time. And
yeah,
>the drums are great.
>

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