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| Re: Black Lion Audio MicroClock? [message #86411 is a reply to message #86407] |
Sun, 10 June 2007 09:06   |
Neil
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Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>Here is a link to a thread on Gearslutz
> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/1 23597-black-lion-microclock.html
>about this unit. No one had tried it yet, but they brought up an
>interesting point about how adding an external clock to fewer than 4
>units will likely reduce the audio quality rather than improve it.
Interesting... anyone else encounter this fact/phenomena?
I'm using an external clock, and the last time I a/b'ed using
the external clock (which is a Lucid GenX6/96 - I guess a
decent, midrange-level clock) vs. the Multiface's clock as the
master, I could perceive "some" difference, but as I recall, I
couldn't really say which was better... this was awhile ago, so
maybe I should try it again & see if I can hear a difference.
I've just been using the external clock, since I was always
under the impression that if you're clocking more than TWO
devices, it's a good idea to have an external clock. Now,
according to some folks, it seems if you're clocking less then
five devices it's a good idea NOT to use one?
So which is it? lol Now i'm really confused.
Neil
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| Re: Black Lion Audio MicroClock? [message #86412 is a reply to message #86411] |
Sun, 10 June 2007 09:18 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
Registered: August 2006
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Probably would not hurt to read Katz' book.
This is the relevant quote for those not willing to slog through the
whole thread:
External clocks only help with synchronization issues with multiple
otherwise independent devices. They do not improve the sound of
converters, other than in very specific (and increasingly rare)
circumstances. There are numerous reasons for the mythology of jitter
that Bob Katz' book covers quite well. For nearly everyone with fewer
than, say, four or five digital devices that must run simultaneously, a
dedicated clock is a waste of money and has a better than even chance of
decreasing sound quality.
Your best bet is to have your most critical ADC as master during
tracking, your most critical DAC as master during mixdown, and for the
remainder of your digital work, to stay ITB, where there is no clock.
Signal can interfere with clock, so use word clock cable when available.
Neil wrote:
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> Here is a link to a thread on Gearslutz
>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/1 23597-black-lion-microclock.html
>> about this unit. No one had tried it yet, but they brought up an
>> interesting point about how adding an external clock to fewer than 4
>> units will likely reduce the audio quality rather than improve it.
>
> Interesting... anyone else encounter this fact/phenomena?
> I'm using an external clock, and the last time I a/b'ed using
> the external clock (which is a Lucid GenX6/96 - I guess a
> decent, midrange-level clock) vs. the Multiface's clock as the
> master, I could perceive "some" difference, but as I recall, I
> couldn't really say which was better... this was awhile ago, so
> maybe I should try it again & see if I can hear a difference.
>
> I've just been using the external clock, since I was always
> under the impression that if you're clocking more than TWO
> devices, it's a good idea to have an external clock. Now,
> according to some folks, it seems if you're clocking less then
> five devices it's a good idea NOT to use one?
>
> So which is it? lol Now i'm really confused.
>
> Neil
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| Re: Black Lion Audio MicroClock? [message #86413 is a reply to message #86411] |
Sun, 10 June 2007 09:38 |
excelav
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Registered: July 2005
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I'm of the mind set that there are newer more accurate clocks than in the
past. The past like as in Paris. By the way, did anybody ever try the
Hosa WDC-427? What was the result?
Thanks
James
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>Here is a link to a thread on Gearslutz
>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/1 23597-black-lion-microclock.html
>>about this unit. No one had tried it yet, but they brought up an
>>interesting point about how adding an external clock to fewer than 4
>>units will likely reduce the audio quality rather than improve it.
>
>Interesting... anyone else encounter this fact/phenomena?
>I'm using an external clock, and the last time I a/b'ed using
>the external clock (which is a Lucid GenX6/96 - I guess a
>decent, midrange-level clock) vs. the Multiface's clock as the
>master, I could perceive "some" difference, but as I recall, I
>couldn't really say which was better... this was awhile ago, so
>maybe I should try it again & see if I can hear a difference.
>
>I've just been using the external clock, since I was always
>under the impression that if you're clocking more than TWO
>devices, it's a good idea to have an external clock. Now,
>according to some folks, it seems if you're clocking less then
>five devices it's a good idea NOT to use one?
>
>So which is it? lol Now i'm really confused.
>
>Neil
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| Re: Black Lion Audio MicroClock? [message #86420 is a reply to message #86413] |
Sun, 10 June 2007 10:10 |
Aaron Allen
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Got one.. as of yet to unpack it :)
AA
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:466c2908$1@linux...
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> I'm of the mind set that there are newer more accurate clocks than in the
> past. The past like as in Paris. By the way, did anybody ever try the
> Hosa WDC-427? What was the result?
>
> Thanks
> James
>
> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>Here is a link to a thread on Gearslutz
>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/1 23597-black-lion-microclock.html
>>>about this unit. No one had tried it yet, but they brought up an
>>>interesting point about how adding an external clock to fewer than 4
>>>units will likely reduce the audio quality rather than improve it.
>>
>>Interesting... anyone else encounter this fact/phenomena?
>>I'm using an external clock, and the last time I a/b'ed using
>>the external clock (which is a Lucid GenX6/96 - I guess a
>>decent, midrange-level clock) vs. the Multiface's clock as the
>>master, I could perceive "some" difference, but as I recall, I
>>couldn't really say which was better... this was awhile ago, so
>>maybe I should try it again & see if I can hear a difference.
>>
>>I've just been using the external clock, since I was always
>>under the impression that if you're clocking more than TWO
>>devices, it's a good idea to have an external clock. Now,
>>according to some folks, it seems if you're clocking less then
>>five devices it's a good idea NOT to use one?
>>
>>So which is it? lol Now i'm really confused.
>>
>>Neil
>
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| Re: Black Lion Audio MicroClock? [message #86446 is a reply to message #86420] |
Mon, 11 June 2007 07:12 |
Cujjo
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I've had a LA Audio WC generator for my 2 card (1 MEC with 8in/Int2 and 1
442/ Int2) system for a couple of years. When I addeded it I am sure a noticed
increased clarity especially in things like reverb.Could I have been fooling
myself? I have Katz book, what he says about "ephemeral" difference makes
sense. But I do now run my mixes externally to a mix comp so there is AD/DA
going on again where jitter could be an issue.
But what about the internal clock is it better? I did not see where Katz
says 2 devices or less would be better internally clocked, WOuld all those
interfaces be considered more than 2?
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Got one.. as of yet to unpack it :)
>
>AA
>
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>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:466c2908$1@linux...
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>> I'm of the mind set that there are newer more accurate clocks than in
the
>> past. The past like as in Paris. By the way, did anybody ever try the
>> Hosa WDC-427? What was the result?
>>
>> Thanks
>> James
>>
>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>Here is a link to a thread on Gearslutz
>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/1 23597-black-lion-microclock.html
>>>>about this unit. No one had tried it yet, but they brought up an
>>>>interesting point about how adding an external clock to fewer than 4
>>>>units will likely reduce the audio quality rather than improve it.
>>>
>>>Interesting... anyone else encounter this fact/phenomena?
>>>I'm using an external clock, and the last time I a/b'ed using
>>>the external clock (which is a Lucid GenX6/96 - I guess a
>>>decent, midrange-level clock) vs. the Multiface's clock as the
>>>master, I could perceive "some" difference, but as I recall, I
>>>couldn't really say which was better... this was awhile ago, so
>>>maybe I should try it again & see if I can hear a difference.
>>>
>>>I've just been using the external clock, since I was always
>>>under the impression that if you're clocking more than TWO
>>>devices, it's a good idea to have an external clock. Now,
>>>according to some folks, it seems if you're clocking less then
>>>five devices it's a good idea NOT to use one?
>>>
>>>So which is it? lol Now i'm really confused.
>>>
>>>Neil
>>
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| Re: Black Lion Audio MicroClock? [message #86591 is a reply to message #86446] |
Thu, 14 June 2007 06:19 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
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The Paris D/A converters are prone to some pretty extreme jitter when using
Paris clock. This improves significantly when an external clock is used.
Deej
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:466d5851$1@linux...
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>
> I've had a LA Audio WC generator for my 2 card (1 MEC with 8in/Int2 and 1
> 442/ Int2) system for a couple of years. When I addeded it I am sure a
> noticed
> increased clarity especially in things like reverb.Could I have been
> fooling
> myself? I have Katz book, what he says about "ephemeral" difference makes
> sense. But I do now run my mixes externally to a mix comp so there is
> AD/DA
> going on again where jitter could be an issue.
> But what about the internal clock is it better? I did not see where Katz
> says 2 devices or less would be better internally clocked, WOuld all those
> interfaces be considered more than 2?
>
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Got one.. as of yet to unpack it :)
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>news:466c2908$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I'm of the mind set that there are newer more accurate clocks than in
> the
>>> past. The past like as in Paris. By the way, did anybody ever try the
>>> Hosa WDC-427? What was the result?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> James
>>>
>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>Here is a link to a thread on Gearslutz
>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/1 23597-black-lion-microclock.html
>>>>>about this unit. No one had tried it yet, but they brought up an
>>>>>interesting point about how adding an external clock to fewer than 4
>>>>>units will likely reduce the audio quality rather than improve it.
>>>>
>>>>Interesting... anyone else encounter this fact/phenomena?
>>>>I'm using an external clock, and the last time I a/b'ed using
>>>>the external clock (which is a Lucid GenX6/96 - I guess a
>>>>decent, midrange-level clock) vs. the Multiface's clock as the
>>>>master, I could perceive "some" difference, but as I recall, I
>>>>couldn't really say which was better... this was awhile ago, so
>>>>maybe I should try it again & see if I can hear a difference.
>>>>
>>>>I've just been using the external clock, since I was always
>>>>under the impression that if you're clocking more than TWO
>>>>devices, it's a good idea to have an external clock. Now,
>>>>according to some folks, it seems if you're clocking less then
>>>>five devices it's a good idea NOT to use one?
>>>>
>>>>So which is it? lol Now i'm really confused.
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Black Lion Audio MicroClock? [message #86596 is a reply to message #86591] |
Thu, 14 June 2007 06:44 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
Registered: June 2007
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Oh thanks Deej
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>The Paris D/A converters are prone to some pretty extreme jitter when using
>Paris clock. This improves significantly when an external clock is used.
>
>Deej
>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message news:466d5851$1@linux...
>>
>>
>> I've had a LA Audio WC generator for my 2 card (1 MEC with 8in/Int2 and
1
>> 442/ Int2) system for a couple of years. When I addeded it I am sure a
>> noticed
>> increased clarity especially in things like reverb.Could I have been
>> fooling
>> myself? I have Katz book, what he says about "ephemeral" difference makes
>> sense. But I do now run my mixes externally to a mix comp so there is
>> AD/DA
>> going on again where jitter could be an issue.
>> But what about the internal clock is it better? I did not see where Katz
>> says 2 devices or less would be better internally clocked, WOuld all those
>> interfaces be considered more than 2?
>>
>>
>> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Got one.. as of yet to unpack it :)
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:466c2908$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I'm of the mind set that there are newer more accurate clocks than in
>> the
>>>> past. The past like as in Paris. By the way, did anybody ever try
the
>>>> Hosa WDC-427? What was the result?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Here is a link to a thread on Gearslutz
>>>>>> http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/1 23597-black-lion-microclock.html
>>>>>>about this unit. No one had tried it yet, but they brought up an
>>>>>>interesting point about how adding an external clock to fewer than
4
>>>>>>units will likely reduce the audio quality rather than improve it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting... anyone else encounter this fact/phenomena?
>>>>>I'm using an external clock, and the last time I a/b'ed using
>>>>>the external clock (which is a Lucid GenX6/96 - I guess a
>>>>>decent, midrange-level clock) vs. the Multiface's clock as the
>>>>>master, I could perceive "some" difference, but as I recall, I
>>>>>couldn't really say which was better... this was awhile ago, so
>>>>>maybe I should try it again & see if I can hear a difference.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've just been using the external clock, since I was always
>>>>>under the impression that if you're clocking more than TWO
>>>>>devices, it's a good idea to have an external clock. Now,
>>>>>according to some folks, it seems if you're clocking less then
>>>>>five devices it's a good idea NOT to use one?
>>>>>
>>>>>So which is it? lol Now i'm really confused.
>>>>>
>>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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