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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77604 is a reply to message #77593] |
Sat, 30 December 2006 08:34   |
TCB
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"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
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>The New York Times goes into mourning....
Don, the NYT was one of the largest outlets for pre-war, pro-war propaganda
in the US media. Judith Miller pretty much staffed the print media desk for
the Office of Special Plans and the Cheney Brigade, while the editorial staff
beat the war drums like Philly Joe Jones--fast and loud. Like so many Monday
morning geopolitical quarterbacks who played a game or two of Risk back in
the day, they have supported every militarily aggressive move by the US or
Israel that I can recall. When it became obvious that Miller had been supremely
duped and the war wasn't going well, they VERY VERY slowly came around to
the moderately critical stance they have now. Even today, with the exception
of the honest Paul Krugman, the editorial page is relentlessly pro-war in
that neo-dem, we have to look 'tough on security' kind of way.
As for Saddam, few alive were more deserving of the walk down that plank
and the snap of the neck. But anyone who aided, abetted, and bankrolled his
crimes against humanity (that would include anyone who paid US income taxes
in the 1980's, among many others) should pause to think a bit as well.
TCB
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77607 is a reply to message #77604] |
Sat, 30 December 2006 08:41 |
DC
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Oh jeez, that's funny...
whooo, hah hah thanks man. I love fantasy especially when it's so damn
funny.
DC
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
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>>The New York Times goes into mourning....
>
>Don, the NYT was one of the largest outlets for pre-war, pro-war propaganda
>in the US media. Judith Miller pretty much staffed the print media desk
for
>the Office of Special Plans and the Cheney Brigade, while the editorial
staff
>beat the war drums like Philly Joe Jones--fast and loud. Like so many Monday
>morning geopolitical quarterbacks who played a game or two of Risk back
in
>the day, they have supported every militarily aggressive move by the US
or
>Israel that I can recall. When it became obvious that Miller had been supremely
>duped and the war wasn't going well, they VERY VERY slowly came around to
>the moderately critical stance they have now. Even today, with the exception
>of the honest Paul Krugman, the editorial page is relentlessly pro-war in
>that neo-dem, we have to look 'tough on security' kind of way.
>
>As for Saddam, few alive were more deserving of the walk down that plank
>and the snap of the neck. But anyone who aided, abetted, and bankrolled
his
>crimes against humanity (that would include anyone who paid US income taxes
>in the 1980's, among many others) should pause to think a bit as well.
>
>TCB
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77608 is a reply to message #77607] |
Sat, 30 December 2006 08:49 |
TCB
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Do you read the NYT editorial page? I ask because I do, almost every day,
because it's delivered to my office.
"DC" <dc@spammersinthenewsroom.org> wrote:
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>Oh jeez, that's funny...
>
>whooo, hah hah thanks man. I love fantasy especially when it's so damn
>funny.
>
>
>DC
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>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>
>>Don, the NYT was one of the largest outlets for pre-war, pro-war propaganda
>>in the US media. Judith Miller pretty much staffed the print media desk
>for
>>the Office of Special Plans and the Cheney Brigade, while the editorial
>staff
>>beat the war drums like Philly Joe Jones--fast and loud. Like so many Monday
>>morning geopolitical quarterbacks who played a game or two of Risk back
>in
>>the day, they have supported every militarily aggressive move by the US
>or
>>Israel that I can recall. When it became obvious that Miller had been supremely
>>duped and the war wasn't going well, they VERY VERY slowly came around
to
>>the moderately critical stance they have now. Even today, with the exception
>>of the honest Paul Krugman, the editorial page is relentlessly pro-war
in
>>that neo-dem, we have to look 'tough on security' kind of way.
>>
>>As for Saddam, few alive were more deserving of the walk down that plank
>>and the snap of the neck. But anyone who aided, abetted, and bankrolled
>his
>>crimes against humanity (that would include anyone who paid US income taxes
>>in the 1980's, among many others) should pause to think a bit as well.
>>
>>TCB
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77609 is a reply to message #77608] |
Sat, 30 December 2006 08:53 |
dc[3]
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Is there a point here?
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>Do you read the NYT editorial page? I ask because I do, almost every day,
>because it's delivered to my office.
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinthenewsroom.org> wrote:
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>>Oh jeez, that's funny...
>>
>>whooo, hah hah thanks man. I love fantasy especially when it's so damn
>>funny.
>>
>>
>>DC
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>
>>>Don, the NYT was one of the largest outlets for pre-war, pro-war propaganda
>>>in the US media. Judith Miller pretty much staffed the print media desk
>>for
>>>the Office of Special Plans and the Cheney Brigade, while the editorial
>>staff
>>>beat the war drums like Philly Joe Jones--fast and loud. Like so many
Monday
>>>morning geopolitical quarterbacks who played a game or two of Risk back
>>in
>>>the day, they have supported every militarily aggressive move by the US
>>or
>>>Israel that I can recall. When it became obvious that Miller had been
supremely
>>>duped and the war wasn't going well, they VERY VERY slowly came around
>to
>>>the moderately critical stance they have now. Even today, with the exception
>>>of the honest Paul Krugman, the editorial page is relentlessly pro-war
>in
>>>that neo-dem, we have to look 'tough on security' kind of way.
>>>
>>>As for Saddam, few alive were more deserving of the walk down that plank
>>>and the snap of the neck. But anyone who aided, abetted, and bankrolled
>>his
>>>crimes against humanity (that would include anyone who paid US income
taxes
>>>in the 1980's, among many others) should pause to think a bit as well.
>
>>>
>>>TCB
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77617 is a reply to message #77609] |
Sat, 30 December 2006 09:27 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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I'll take that as a no then.
"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>Is there a point here?
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>
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>Do you read the NYT editorial page? I ask because I do, almost every day,
>>because it's delivered to my office.
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spammersinthenewsroom.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>Oh jeez, that's funny...
>>>
>>>whooo, hah hah thanks man. I love fantasy especially when it's so
damn
>>>funny.
>>>
>>>
>>>DC
>>>
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>
>>>>Don, the NYT was one of the largest outlets for pre-war, pro-war propaganda
>>>>in the US media. Judith Miller pretty much staffed the print media desk
>>>for
>>>>the Office of Special Plans and the Cheney Brigade, while the editorial
>>>staff
>>>>beat the war drums like Philly Joe Jones--fast and loud. Like so many
>Monday
>>>>morning geopolitical quarterbacks who played a game or two of Risk back
>>>in
>>>>the day, they have supported every militarily aggressive move by the
US
>>>or
>>>>Israel that I can recall. When it became obvious that Miller had been
>supremely
>>>>duped and the war wasn't going well, they VERY VERY slowly came around
>>to
>>>>the moderately critical stance they have now. Even today, with the exception
>>>>of the honest Paul Krugman, the editorial page is relentlessly pro-war
>>in
>>>>that neo-dem, we have to look 'tough on security' kind of way.
>>>>
>>>>As for Saddam, few alive were more deserving of the walk down that plank
>>>>and the snap of the neck. But anyone who aided, abetted, and bankrolled
>>>his
>>>>crimes against humanity (that would include anyone who paid US income
>taxes
>>>>in the 1980's, among many others) should pause to think a bit as well.
>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>
>>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77619 is a reply to message #77617] |
Sat, 30 December 2006 09:37 |
dc[3]
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To quote Sonny Boy Williamson, you can take it as your mammy if you want
to.
Start by being, oh, let's say slightly credible with your assertions and
we
can talk.
It was a joke... Give it a rest. No one is going to change their views
on
this stuff because you and get into a debate. Or you could go all anonymous
on us... nah... boring.
DC
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>I'll take that as a no then.
>
>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
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>>Is there a point here?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Do you read the NYT editorial page? I ask because I do, almost every day,
>>>because it's delivered to my office.
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinthenewsroom.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Oh jeez, that's funny...
>>>>
>>>>whooo, hah hah thanks man. I love fantasy especially when it's so
>damn
>>>>funny.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>>
>>>>>Don, the NYT was one of the largest outlets for pre-war, pro-war propaganda
>>>>>in the US media. Judith Miller pretty much staffed the print media desk
>>>>for
>>>>>the Office of Special Plans and the Cheney Brigade, while the editorial
>>>>staff
>>>>>beat the war drums like Philly Joe Jones--fast and loud. Like so many
>>Monday
>>>>>morning geopolitical quarterbacks who played a game or two of Risk back
>>>>in
>>>>>the day, they have supported every militarily aggressive move by the
>US
>>>>or
>>>>>Israel that I can recall. When it became obvious that Miller had been
>>supremely
>>>>>duped and the war wasn't going well, they VERY VERY slowly came around
>>>to
>>>>>the moderately critical stance they have now. Even today, with the exception
>>>>>of the honest Paul Krugman, the editorial page is relentlessly pro-war
>>>in
>>>>>that neo-dem, we have to look 'tough on security' kind of way.
>>>>>
>>>>>As for Saddam, few alive were more deserving of the walk down that plank
>>>>>and the snap of the neck. But anyone who aided, abetted, and bankrolled
>>>>his
>>>>>crimes against humanity (that would include anyone who paid US income
>>taxes
>>>>>in the 1980's, among many others) should pause to think a bit as well.
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77625 is a reply to message #77619] |
Sat, 30 December 2006 09:35 |
John [1]
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Ok, I'm changing my views just because of that ! THanks !
DC wrote:
> To quote Sonny Boy Williamson, you can take it as your mammy if you want
> to.
>
> Start by being, oh, let's say slightly credible with your assertions and
> we
> can talk.
>
> It was a joke... Give it a rest. No one is going to change their views
> on
> this stuff because you and get into a debate. Or you could go all anonymous
> on us... nah... boring.
>
>
> DC
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>> I'll take that as a no then.
>>
>> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>> Is there a point here?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>> Do you read the NYT editorial page? I ask because I do, almost every day,
>>>> because it's delivered to my office.
>>>>
>>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinthenewsroom.org> wrote:
>>>>> Oh jeez, that's funny...
>>>>>
>>>>> whooo, hah hah thanks man. I love fantasy especially when it's so
>> damn
>>>>> funny.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>>> Don, the NYT was one of the largest outlets for pre-war, pro-war propaganda
>>>>>> in the US media. Judith Miller pretty much staffed the print media desk
>>>>> for
>>>>>> the Office of Special Plans and the Cheney Brigade, while the editorial
>>>>> staff
>>>>>> beat the war drums like Philly Joe Jones--fast and loud. Like so many
>>> Monday
>>>>>> morning geopolitical quarterbacks who played a game or two of Risk back
>>>>> in
>>>>>> the day, they have supported every militarily aggressive move by the
>> US
>>>>> or
>>>>>> Israel that I can recall. When it became obvious that Miller had been
>>> supremely
>>>>>> duped and the war wasn't going well, they VERY VERY slowly came around
>>>> to
>>>>>> the moderately critical stance they have now. Even today, with the exception
>>>>>> of the honest Paul Krugman, the editorial page is relentlessly pro-war
>>>> in
>>>>>> that neo-dem, we have to look 'tough on security' kind of way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for Saddam, few alive were more deserving of the walk down that plank
>>>>>> and the snap of the neck. But anyone who aided, abetted, and bankrolled
>>>>> his
>>>>>> crimes against humanity (that would include anyone who paid US income
>>> taxes
>>>>>> in the 1980's, among many others) should pause to think a bit as well.
>>>>>> TCB
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77626 is a reply to message #77607] |
Sat, 30 December 2006 10:29 |
bunuel
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There is nothing so laughably ironic as an accusation of "fantasy" in the
mouth of a partisan of the Right.
The only fantasy exposed here is this shopworn 'Liberal Media Ripped my Flesh'
riff. No doubt, this noise will grow increasingly strident in the months
ahead, as it becomes clear to all but the most deluded that, as American
Clusterfucks go, this invasion ranks near the very top.
But hey, you know what? "The media done it." Just like in the last clusterfuck.
The media. The liberal bleeding hearts. The pussies. It's their fault. If
only Real Men had been allowed to run with the ball. A couple of Christian
divisions armed with tactical nukes and by now there would be nothing left
to do except hand out the chocolate bars. The oil would continue to flow
westward, America would once again run the planet on God's behalf. Suddenly
it's 1957 again. Say, is that Fred MacMurray over there?
"DC" <dc@spammersinthenewsroom.org> wrote:
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>Oh jeez, that's funny...
>
>whooo, hah hah thanks man. I love fantasy especially when it's so damn
>funny.
>
>
>DC
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
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>>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>
>>Don, the NYT was one of the largest outlets for pre-war, pro-war propaganda
>>in the US media. Judith Miller pretty much staffed the print media desk
>for
>>the Office of Special Plans and the Cheney Brigade, while the editorial
>staff
>>beat the war drums like Philly Joe Jones--fast and loud. Like so many Monday
>>morning geopolitical quarterbacks who played a game or two of Risk back
>in
>>the day, they have supported every militarily aggressive move by the US
>or
>>Israel that I can recall. When it became obvious that Miller had been supremely
>>duped and the war wasn't going well, they VERY VERY slowly came around
to
>>the moderately critical stance they have now. Even today, with the exception
>>of the honest Paul Krugman, the editorial page is relentlessly pro-war
in
>>that neo-dem, we have to look 'tough on security' kind of way.
>>
>>As for Saddam, few alive were more deserving of the walk down that plank
>>and the snap of the neck. But anyone who aided, abetted, and bankrolled
>his
>>crimes against humanity (that would include anyone who paid US income taxes
>>in the 1980's, among many others) should pause to think a bit as well.
>>
>>TCB
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77630 is a reply to message #77617] |
Sat, 30 December 2006 10:03 |
Jamie K
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Thad, don't bother Don with facts. He's probably just channeling some
windbag talk show host pushing YAGF (yet another gloat frenzy).
Probably the one who likes to pretend he's objective but clearly isn't,
while at the same time loudly accusing other media of bias. Sheesh.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
TCB wrote:
> I'll take that as a no then.
>
> "DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>> Is there a point here?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>> Do you read the NYT editorial page? I ask because I do, almost every day,
>>> because it's delivered to my office.
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@spammersinthenewsroom.org> wrote:
>>>> Oh jeez, that's funny...
>>>>
>>>> whooo, hah hah thanks man. I love fantasy especially when it's so
> damn
>>>> funny.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>> Don, the NYT was one of the largest outlets for pre-war, pro-war propaganda
>>>>> in the US media. Judith Miller pretty much staffed the print media desk
>>>> for
>>>>> the Office of Special Plans and the Cheney Brigade, while the editorial
>>>> staff
>>>>> beat the war drums like Philly Joe Jones--fast and loud. Like so many
>> Monday
>>>>> morning geopolitical quarterbacks who played a game or two of Risk back
>>>> in
>>>>> the day, they have supported every militarily aggressive move by the
> US
>>>> or
>>>>> Israel that I can recall. When it became obvious that Miller had been
>> supremely
>>>>> duped and the war wasn't going well, they VERY VERY slowly came around
>>> to
>>>>> the moderately critical stance they have now. Even today, with the exception
>>>>> of the honest Paul Krugman, the editorial page is relentlessly pro-war
>>> in
>>>>> that neo-dem, we have to look 'tough on security' kind of way.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for Saddam, few alive were more deserving of the walk down that plank
>>>>> and the snap of the neck. But anyone who aided, abetted, and bankrolled
>>>> his
>>>>> crimes against humanity (that would include anyone who paid US income
>> taxes
>>>>> in the 1980's, among many others) should pause to think a bit as well.
>>>>> TCB
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| Alliances shift.......yeh, that's the ticket. [message #77651 is a reply to message #77644] |
Sat, 30 December 2006 18:13 |
bunuel
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"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it?
>
> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html
This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the views
held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a mystery
to me.
>
(snip)
>
>Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances
>of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's ugly,
but it's a fact of international politics.
Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift. Things get done through manoeuvering and
manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances, payoffs,
betrayals. Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower, likely
plays hardest of all.
This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing histrionic
promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted little
peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom and
goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the engraved
monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in short,
the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if you're
an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all meaningless.
A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they.
And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's
word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless.
What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the
US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked instead
by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, cronyism,
torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running, subversion/emasculation
of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and terrorist
organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And that's
all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness. 'Cause
alliances shift.
You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when it
comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious arrangements,
yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just this
kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages. At
least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince the
world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater
glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of their
own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't conjure
up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh, Operation
Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be kidding.)
So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that
Saddam 'liquidated' to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence
Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains
of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who enjoyed
'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos, Mobutu,
Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and hundreds
of thousands of victims. And you might conclude that the roaring noise you
hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms'
is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's millions,
laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it all.
Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths your
Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy. A half
million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want
of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision? Can you
imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say, shrugging
his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it. Alliances
shift.
>anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us is
>likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting pity
>that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when
>feeding people feet first into a wood chipper.
Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start. I
never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start
of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum working
out?)
Regards,
Bunuel
>
>Regards,
>
>Deej
>
>
>
>
>
>"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:4596b519$1@linux...
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>> Yeh, me too.
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>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
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>>>I did too. Then I remembered.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he
saw
>>>the
>>>>noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Alliances shift.......yeh, that's the ticket. [message #77659 is a reply to message #77651] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 02:40 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
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Hello Bunuel, how are you?
Have you sleeped well for some times, you greatest troll of them all, here
on the Paris-site? ;-)
A Happy New Year to you too!-)
Erling
"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> skrev i melding news:45970eb8$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it?
>>
>> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html
>
> This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the
> views
> held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a
> mystery
> to me.
>
>>
> (snip)
>>
>
>
>>Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances
>>of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's
>>ugly,
> but it's a fact of international politics.
>
> Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift. Things get done through manoeuvering
> and
> manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances,
> payoffs,
> betrayals. Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower,
> likely
> plays hardest of all.
>
> This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing histrionic
> promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted little
> peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom and
> goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the
> engraved
> monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in
> short,
> the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if
> you're
> an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all
> meaningless.
> A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they.
>
> And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's
> word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless.
> What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the
> US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked instead
> by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, cronyism,
> torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running,
> subversion/emasculation
> of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and terrorist
> organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And
> that's
> all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness.
> 'Cause
> alliances shift.
>
> You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when it
> comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious
> arrangements,
> yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just
> this
> kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages. At
> least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince the
> world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater
> glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of
> their
> own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't
> conjure
> up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh,
> Operation
> Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be
> kidding.)
>
>
> So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that
> Saddam 'liquidated' to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence
> Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains
> of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who
> enjoyed
> 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos,
> Mobutu,
> Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and
> hundreds
> of thousands of victims. And you might conclude that the roaring noise you
> hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms'
> is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's millions,
> laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it all.
> Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths your
> Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy. A
> half
> million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want
> of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision? Can you
> imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say,
> shrugging
> his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it.
> Alliances
> shift.
>
>
>
>
>
>>anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us is
>
>>likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting
>>pity
>
>>that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when
>>feeding people feet first into a wood chipper.
>
> Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start. I
> never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start
> of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum
> working
> out?)
>
>
> Regards,
> Bunuel
>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:4596b519$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Yeh, me too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I did too. Then I remembered.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>>As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he
> saw
>>>>the
>>>>>noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Alliances shift.......yeh, that's the ticket. [message #77662 is a reply to message #77651] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 03:32 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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Yeah you sure are a troll
bunuel wrote:
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>> yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it?
>>
>> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html
>
> This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the views
> held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a mystery
> to me.
>
> (snip)
>
>
>> Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances
>> of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's ugly,
> but it's a fact of international politics.
>
> Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift. Things get done through manoeuvering and
> manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances, payoffs,
> betrayals. Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower, likely
> plays hardest of all.
>
> This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing histrionic
> promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted little
> peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom and
> goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the engraved
> monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in short,
> the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if you're
> an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all meaningless.
> A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they.
>
> And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's
> word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless.
> What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the
> US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked instead
> by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, cronyism,
> torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running, subversion/emasculation
> of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and terrorist
> organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And that's
> all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness. 'Cause
> alliances shift.
>
> You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when it
> comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious arrangements,
> yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just this
> kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages. At
> least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince the
> world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater
> glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of their
> own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't conjure
> up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh, Operation
> Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be kidding.)
>
>
> So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that
> Saddam 'liquidated' to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence
> Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains
> of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who enjoyed
> 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos, Mobutu,
> Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and hundreds
> of thousands of victims. And you might conclude that the roaring noise you
> hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms'
> is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's millions,
> laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it all.
> Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths your
> Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy. A half
> million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want
> of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision? Can you
> imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say, shrugging
> his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it. Alliances
> shift.
>
>
>
>
>
>> anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us is
>
>> likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting pity
>
>> that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when
>> feeding people feet first into a wood chipper.
>
> Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start. I
> never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start
> of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum working
> out?)
>
>
> Regards,
> Bunuel
>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Deej
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:4596b519$1@linux...
>>> Yeh, me too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
>>>> I did too. Then I remembered.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he
> saw
>>>> the
>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77663 is a reply to message #77658] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 05:21 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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.....Hmmm..... ....good to see I'm not alone with bad kind of english =
writings....hmmm;-)....
.....Things like the Hiroshima bomb is history, done by people who wanted =
to write their own glorious stories, as Bush and co now are trying to =
write their own "glorious and famous" story for the future - as =
statesmen and dictators have done before them in thousand of years =
around the whole world..... =20
What was it Pete Seeger wrote about these kind of men, that sent him a =
year in prison in the early sixties in America, as "incitements to Red =
revolution" with his writings and singing? Some of the words was "When =
will they ever learn?" from one of his very famous folksongs. I can't =
see any red color in that kind of songs at all, just pure green - as the =
grass on the earth we, the people are trying to walk on with more love =
than hate. Hope not the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are doing so much =
with the American echonomy that Bush is not thinking at the global =
heating at all, before he have "won the total victory" in the wars he =
started in the name of terrorism.=20
Erling
=20
"ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> skrev i melding news:45978c76$1@linux...
>=20
> Hi ,
> When is the time for others?
> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan =
,Palestina
> ....
> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give =
youre
> opinion about other poeple or country.
> Remember Hiroshima and others.
> I'm curieus about the reactions.
> Happy new year!!!
>=20
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he =
saw
> the=20
>>noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>
>>
>>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>
>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....=20
>>
>>
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America,=20
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singing? Some of the words was "When will they =
ever=20
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color in=20
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the earth=20
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much with the=20
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heating at=20
all, before he have "won the total victory" in the wars he started =
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,<BR>> When=20
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so....<BR>> The=20
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,Palestina<BR>>=20
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before=20
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Remember=20
Hiroshima and others.<BR>> I'm curieus about the reactions.<BR>> =
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his face=20
when he saw<BR>> the <BR>>>noose was wrenching and despite =
myself, I=20
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href=3D"mailto:dc@saddaminhell.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
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| Re: Alliances shift.......yeh, that's the ticket. [message #77666 is a reply to message #77659] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 08:50 |
bunuel
Messages: 11
Registered: July 2005
|
Junior Member |
|
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Happy New Year, Erling, and all the best!
bunuel
"erlilo" <erlilo@nospamonline.no> wrote:
>Hello Bunuel, how are you?
>Have you sleeped well for some times, you greatest troll of them all, here
>on the Paris-site? ;-)
>A Happy New Year to you too!-)
>
>Erling
>
>"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> skrev i melding news:45970eb8$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it?
>>>
>>> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html
>>
>> This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the
>> views
>> held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a
>> mystery
>> to me.
>>
>>>
>> (snip)
>>>
>>
>>
>>>Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances
>>>of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's
>>>ugly,
>> but it's a fact of international politics.
>>
>> Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift. Things get done through manoeuvering
>> and
>> manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances,
>> payoffs,
>> betrayals. Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower,
>> likely
>> plays hardest of all.
>>
>> This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing histrionic
>> promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted little
>> peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom
and
>> goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the
>> engraved
>> monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in
>> short,
>> the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if
>> you're
>> an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all
>> meaningless.
>> A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they.
>>
>> And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's
>> word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless.
>> What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the
>> US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked instead
>> by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, cronyism,
>> torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running,
>> subversion/emasculation
>> of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and terrorist
>> organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And
>> that's
>> all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness.
>> 'Cause
>> alliances shift.
>>
>> You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when
it
>> comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious
>> arrangements,
>> yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just
>> this
>> kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages.
At
>> least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince
the
>> world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater
>> glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of
>> their
>> own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't
>> conjure
>> up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh,
>> Operation
>> Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be
>> kidding.)
>>
>>
>> So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that
>> Saddam 'liquidated' to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence
>> Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains
>> of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who
>> enjoyed
>> 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos,
>> Mobutu,
>> Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and
>> hundreds
>> of thousands of victims. And you might conclude that the roaring noise
you
>> hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms'
>> is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's millions,
>> laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it all.
>> Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths
your
>> Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy.
A
>> half
>> million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want
>> of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision? Can
you
>> imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say,
>> shrugging
>> his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it.
>> Alliances
>> shift.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us
is
>>
>>>likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting
>>>pity
>>
>>>that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when
>>>feeding people feet first into a wood chipper.
>>
>> Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start.
I
>> never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start
>> of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum
>> working
>> out?)
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bunuel
>>
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:4596b519$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Yeh, me too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>I did too. Then I remembered.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>>>As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he
>> saw
>>>>>the
>>>>>>noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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| Re: Alliances shift.......yeh, that's the ticket. [message #77667 is a reply to message #77662] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 08:54 |
bunuel
Messages: 11
Registered: July 2005
|
Junior Member |
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John <no@no.com> wrote:
>Yeah you sure are a troll
Yeah, you sure have a short memory, ingrate.
>
>bunuel wrote:
>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>> yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it?
>>>
>>> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html
>>
>> This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the
views
>> held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a mystery
>> to me.
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>>
>>> Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances
>>> of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's
ugly,
>> but it's a fact of international politics.
>>
>> Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift. Things get done through manoeuvering
and
>> manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances, payoffs,
>> betrayals. Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower,
likely
>> plays hardest of all.
>>
>> This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing histrionic
>> promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted little
>> peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom
and
>> goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the
engraved
>> monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in
short,
>> the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if
you're
>> an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all meaningless.
>> A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they.
>>
>> And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's
>> word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless.
>> What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the
>> US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked instead
>> by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, cronyism,
>> torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running, subversion/emasculation
>> of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and terrorist
>> organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And that's
>> all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness.
'Cause
>> alliances shift.
>>
>> You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when
it
>> comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious arrangements,
>> yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just
this
>> kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages.
At
>> least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince
the
>> world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater
>> glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of
their
>> own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't
conjure
>> up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh, Operation
>> Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be
kidding.)
>>
>>
>> So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that
>> Saddam 'liquidated' to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence
>> Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains
>> of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who enjoyed
>> 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos,
Mobutu,
>> Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and hundreds
>> of thousands of victims. And you might conclude that the roaring noise
you
>> hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms'
>> is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's millions,
>> laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it all.
>> Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths
your
>> Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy.
A half
>> million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want
>> of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision? Can
you
>> imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say, shrugging
>> his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it. Alliances
>> shift.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us
is
>>
>>> likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting
pity
>>
>>> that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when
>>> feeding people feet first into a wood chipper.
>>
>> Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start.
I
>> never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start
>> of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum
working
>> out?)
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bunuel
>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Deej
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:4596b519$1@linux...
>>>> Yeh, me too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote:
>>>>> I did too. Then I remembered.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when
he
>> saw
>>>>> the
>>>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Alliances shift.......yeh, that's the ticket. [message #77669 is a reply to message #77651] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 09:08 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
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|
(yawn)........hmmm.........seems you have had an apoplectic episode
here........
"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:45970eb8$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it?
>>
>> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html
>
> This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the
> views
> held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a
> mystery
> to me.
I don't give a **** whether or not you have "sanctified" anything with your
"endorsement". Read it and tell me you disagree. If you do, then we've
perhaps got something to talk about, irf not, then you are categorized, and
killfiled.
>
>>
> (snip)
>>
>
>
>>Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances
>>of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's
>>ugly,
> but it's a fact of international politics.
>
> Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift.
Yeah.they do.....
Things get done through manoeuvering and
> manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances,
> payoffs,
> betrayals.
Sometimes........take France and Russia's assistance to Sadaam in
circumventing UN sanctions for instance....
Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower, likely
> plays hardest of all.
...well.......sometimes when we don't we have to throw some invader out of
France for you since it seems that whatever Gallic genetics that have
anything at all to do with integrity either migrated to Quebec or were
killed off in the Napoleonic wars.
..
>
> This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing histrionic
> promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted little
> peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom and
> goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the
> engraved
> monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in
> short,
> the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if
> you're
> an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all
> meaningless.
> A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they.
Yeah Bunel, as a Frenchman .(or at least an rank Frankophile) you should
understand this. Look in the mirror and something shifty will certainly
appear.
>
> And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's
> word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless.
> What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the
> US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked instead
> by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, cronyism,
> torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running,
> subversion/emasculation
> of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and terrorist
> organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And
> that's
> all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness.
> 'Cause
> alliances shift.
> You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when it
> comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious
> arrangements,
> yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just
> this
> kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages. At
> least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince the
> world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater
> glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of
> their
> own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't
> conjure
> up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh,
> Operation
> Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be
> kidding.)
The French, circumspect?.....no.they are not circumspect. They are
perfidious and obvious and despite your verbal dirahea above, you just
dropped them into the same cesspool that you ascribe to American
motives.except you think it is better to be circumspect..........IOW, to
slither under the radar to further their own interests while prolonging the
bloodthirsty dictatorship of Sadaam for 10 years and allowed his to continue
slaughte3ring his people. How many palaces did he build. How many arms and
munitions did he uy. How many people could he have fed with your blood money
Bunel?
>
> So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that
> Saddam 'liquidated'
Nope.....you can't rewrite this one amigo. It's on your ass like stink on
****
to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence
> Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains
> of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who
> enjoyed
> 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos,
> Mobutu,
> Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and
> hundreds
> of thousands of victims.
Yeah, they were sorta like Sadaam. Why don't you take a look at the
mountains of bodies produced by Hitler and Stalin and the Gulags pertetuated
by their subsequent successors and leftist regimes.Let's take a look at Mao
and Castro while we're at it and since you are so good at speculation, why
don't you speculate on what might have happened if these monsters were
running those countries. You spew this garbage while conveniently ignoring
that there was a much greater power struggle going on. At your request, we
helped keep these assholes off your doorstep for 40 years. Have you ever
been up close and personal with a shooting war Bunel? Maybe you have. I was
living in central America in the 70's and 80's saw both sides of the shit
going down in both Nicaragua and El Salvador. The Castroites were every bit
as bloody and ruthless as the other side and despite the one sided reporting
by the press, the people there hated them too. They murdered thousands of
people. I saw some of it.
And you might conclude that the roaring noise you
> hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms'
> is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's millions,
> laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it all.
Yeah.that's why there are immigrants just beating down our doors to get out
of here. Speaking of shameless mendacity, why don't you read up a bit on
French colonial rule and the things your precious country is capable of
doing.? ......and BTW, it seems that the natives are getting pretty restless
in your neck of the woods. You might wan to think about that the nextime
they light up another city or two.
> Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths your
> Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy.
Nope, this is your bag to hold and you held it for 10 years.
A half
> million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want
> of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision?
Excuse me, but you must have mistaken the administration that made this
decision and that would be the French. As far as myu imagining half a
million American children dead. Yes, I can. I imagine it every day and I
think it will happen because there are leftists in our government and media
who are willing to do anything for power and also because more than half the
people here (if you believe the polls) do not believe we are in a war. It's
just gonna take one nuke. I'm sure you will enjoy that until they nuke you
and we aren't around anymore to pull your ass out of the fire.
Can you
> imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say,
> shrugging
> his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it.
> Alliances
> shift.
I can certainly imagine this.......Putin and Chirac have already done it.
>
>>anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us is
>
>>likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting
>>pity
>
>>that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when
>>feeding people feet first into a wood chipper.
>
> Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start. I
> never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start
> of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum
> working
> out?)
Well..............so far I haven't fed anything into a wood chipper but
wood.
Happy new year,
DJ
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| Re: Alliances shift.......yeh, that's the ticket. [message #77670 is a reply to message #77669] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 11:24 |
bunuel
Messages: 11
Registered: July 2005
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Junior Member |
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Uh huh. I guess so. Whatever.
Okay. Until next time Don sez something stupid, then.
Happy New Year!
bunuel
"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>(yawn)........hmmm.........seems you have had an apoplectic episode
>here........
>
>"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:45970eb8$1@linux...
>>
>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it?
>>>
>>> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html
>>
>> This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the
>> views
>> held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a
>> mystery
>> to me.
>
>I don't give a **** whether or not you have "sanctified" anything with your
>"endorsement". Read it and tell me you disagree. If you do, then we've
>perhaps got something to talk about, irf not, then you are categorized,
and
>killfiled.
>
>>
>>>
>> (snip)
>>>
>>
>>
>>>Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances
>>>of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's
>>>ugly,
>> but it's a fact of international politics.
>>
>> Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift.
>
>Yeah.they do.....
>
>Things get done through manoeuvering and
>> manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances,
>> payoffs,
>> betrayals.
>
>Sometimes........take France and Russia's assistance to Sadaam in
>circumventing UN sanctions for instance....
>
>Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower, likely
>> plays hardest of all.
>
>..well.......sometimes when we don't we have to throw some invader out of
>France for you since it seems that whatever Gallic genetics that have
>anything at all to do with integrity either migrated to Quebec or were
>killed off in the Napoleonic wars.
>.
>>
>> This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing histrionic
>> promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted little
>> peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom
and
>> goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the
>> engraved
>> monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in
>> short,
>> the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if
>> you're
>> an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all
>> meaningless.
>> A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they.
>
>Yeah Bunel, as a Frenchman .(or at least an rank Frankophile) you should
>understand this. Look in the mirror and something shifty will certainly
>appear.
>>
>> And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's
>> word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless.
>> What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the
>> US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked instead
>> by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder, cronyism,
>> torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running,
>> subversion/emasculation
>> of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and terrorist
>> organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And
>> that's
>> all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness.
>> 'Cause
>> alliances shift.
>
>
>> You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when
it
>> comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious
>> arrangements,
>> yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just
>> this
>> kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages.
At
>> least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince
the
>> world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater
>> glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of
>> their
>> own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't
>> conjure
>> up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh,
>> Operation
>> Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be
>> kidding.)
>
>The French, circumspect?.....no.they are not circumspect. They are
>perfidious and obvious and despite your verbal dirahea above, you just
>dropped them into the same cesspool that you ascribe to American
>motives.except you think it is better to be circumspect..........IOW, to
>slither under the radar to further their own interests while prolonging
the
>bloodthirsty dictatorship of Sadaam for 10 years and allowed his to continue
>slaughte3ring his people. How many palaces did he build. How many arms and
>munitions did he uy. How many people could he have fed with your blood money
>Bunel?
>>
>> So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that
>> Saddam 'liquidated'
>
>
>Nope.....you can't rewrite this one amigo. It's on your ass like stink on
>****
>
>to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence
>> Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains
>> of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who
>> enjoyed
>> 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos,
>> Mobutu,
>> Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and
>> hundreds
>> of thousands of victims.
>
>Yeah, they were sorta like Sadaam. Why don't you take a look at the
>mountains of bodies produced by Hitler and Stalin and the Gulags pertetuated
>by their subsequent successors and leftist regimes.Let's take a look at
Mao
>and Castro while we're at it and since you are so good at speculation, why
>don't you speculate on what might have happened if these monsters were
>running those countries. You spew this garbage while conveniently ignoring
>that there was a much greater power struggle going on. At your request,
we
>helped keep these assholes off your doorstep for 40 years. Have you ever
>been up close and personal with a shooting war Bunel? Maybe you have. I
was
>living in central America in the 70's and 80's saw both sides of the shit
>going down in both Nicaragua and El Salvador. The Castroites were every
bit
>as bloody and ruthless as the other side and despite the one sided reporting
>by the press, the people there hated them too. They murdered thousands of
>people. I saw some of it.
>
>And you might conclude that the roaring noise you
>> hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms'
>> is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's millions,
>> laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it all.
>
>Yeah.that's why there are immigrants just beating down our doors to get
out
>of here. Speaking of shameless mendacity, why don't you read up a bit on
>French colonial rule and the things your precious country is capable of
>doing.? ......and BTW, it seems that the natives are getting pretty restless
>in your neck of the woods. You might wan to think about that the nextime
>they light up another city or two.
>
>> Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths
your
>> Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy.
>
>Nope, this is your bag to hold and you held it for 10 years.
>
>A half
>> million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want
>> of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision?
>
>Excuse me, but you must have mistaken the administration that made this
>decision and that would be the French. As far as myu imagining half a
>million American children dead. Yes, I can. I imagine it every day and I
>think it will happen because there are leftists in our government and media
>who are willing to do anything for power and also because more than half
the
>people here (if you believe the polls) do not believe we are in a war. It's
>just gonna take one nuke. I'm sure you will enjoy that until they nuke you
>and we aren't around anymore to pull your ass out of the fire.
>
>Can you
>> imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say,
>> shrugging
>> his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it.
>> Alliances
>> shift.
>
>I can certainly imagine this.......Putin and Chirac have already done it.
>>
>>>anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us
is
>>
>>>likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting
>>>pity
>>
>>>that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when
>>>feeding people feet first into a wood chipper.
>>
>> Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start.
I
>> never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start
>> of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum
>> working
>> out?)
>
>Well..............so far I haven't fed anything into a wood chipper but
>wood.
>
>Happy new year,
>
>DJ
>
>
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| Re: Alliances shift.......yeh, that's the ticket. [message #77672 is a reply to message #77670] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 10:44 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
|
Senior Member |
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Well.happy new year to you too and apologies for all the misspellings. It
was a pre-coffee post and my level of typing and rightist hysteria wasn't
nearly what it should have been.
;o)
"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:45980050@linux...
>
>
> Uh huh. I guess so. Whatever.
>
> Okay. Until next time Don sez something stupid, then.
> Happy New Year!
>
> bunuel
>
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>(yawn)........hmmm.........seems you have had an apoplectic episode
>>here........
>>
>>"bunuel" <bunuel@conar.fr> wrote in message news:45970eb8$1@linux...
>>>
>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>>yeah.it's easy enough to google anything isn't it?
>>>>
>>>> http://stateoftheday.blogspot.com/2006/09/whom-would-hitler- shake-hands-with.html
>>>
>>> This url was not part of my post; I have not examined or endorsed the
>
>>> views
>>> held by the blogger. Why you are choosing to include them here is a
>>> mystery
>>> to me.
>>
>>I don't give a **** whether or not you have "sanctified" anything with
>>your
>
>>"endorsement". Read it and tell me you disagree. If you do, then we've
>>perhaps got something to talk about, irf not, then you are categorized,
> and
>>killfiled.
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>> (snip)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Alliances shift.......especially when they are alliances
>>>>of convenience and this is done often in international >politics. It's
>
>>>>ugly,
>>> but it's a fact of international politics.
>>>
>>> Oh, okay. Got it. Alliances shift.
>>
>>Yeah.they do.....
>>
>>Things get done through manoeuvering and
>>> manipulation against a background of deals, arrangements, alliances,
>>> payoffs,
>>> betrayals.
>>
>>Sometimes........take France and Russia's assistance to Sadaam in
>>circumventing UN sanctions for instance....
>>
>>Everybody plays hardball, and the US, as the WOR Superpower, likely
>>> plays hardest of all.
>>
>>..well.......sometimes when we don't we have to throw some invader out of
>
>>France for you since it seems that whatever Gallic genetics that have
>>anything at all to do with integrity either migrated to Quebec or were
>>killed off in the Napoleonic wars.
>>.
>>>
>>> This is an admission, one can only conclude, that the unceasing
>>> histrionic
>>> promotion of America's mission to bring democracy to the benighted
>>> little
>>> peoples of the world, all the high-flown arias to justice and freedom
> and
>>> goodness, and the symbolism...all the flag-waving and pledging and the
>
>>> engraved
>>> monuments and the medals and the flypasts and the patriotic songs, in
>
>>> short,
>>> the project to deify the American Idea, all this is pure propaganda (if
>
>>> you're
>>> an innocent) or pure hypocrisy (if you're not).In short, it's all
>>> meaningless.
>>> A lie. Because...well...alliances shift, don't they.
>>
>>Yeah Bunel, as a Frenchman .(or at least an rank Frankophile) you should
>
>>understand this. Look in the mirror and something shifty will certainly
>
>>appear.
>>>
>>> And whatever the dubious value of the word of other countries, America's
>>> word, at least, is by these admissions, worthless.
>>> What you are admitting is that, as the putative leader of the world, the
>>> US presides over a system devoid of honor and justice, and marked
>>> instead
>>> by convenient alliances, betrayal, blackmail, coercion, murder,
>>> cronyism,
>>> torture, economic genocide, war profiteering, illegal arms running,
>>> subversion/emasculation
>>> of domestic law, the aiding and abbetting of bloody tyrants and
>>> terrorist
>>> organizations, thwarting of international law, etc., etc.. etc. And
>>> that's
>>> all just business as usual from an American standpoint. Just bizness.
>
>>> 'Cause
>>> alliances shift.
>>
>>
>>> You excuse American agents like the execrable Rumsfeld and others when
> it
>>> comes to alliances of convenience, and other temporary and odious
>>> arrangements,
>>> yet I have seen you bitterly denounce the French in particular for just
>
>>> this
>>> kind of self-interested backroom realpolitik right here on these pages.
> At
>>> least the French are circumspect about it. They don't try to convince
> the
>>> world or themselves that what they do is ordained by God for the greater
>>> glory of all His chilluns. Hell no. They do what they do on behalf of
>
>>> their
>>> own Oligarchy (just as the American government does), except they don't
>
>>> conjure
>>> up phoney, self-agrandizing names for their efforts, like say...oh,
>>> Operation
>>> Enduring Freedom, is one that springs to mind (????..you've got to be
>
>>> kidding.)
>>
>>The French, circumspect?.....no.they are not circumspect. They are
>>perfidious and obvious and despite your verbal dirahea above, you just
>>dropped them into the same cesspool that you ascribe to American
>>motives.except you think it is better to be circumspect..........IOW, to
>
>>slither under the radar to further their own interests while prolonging
> the
>>bloodthirsty dictatorship of Sadaam for 10 years and allowed his to
>>continue
>
>>slaughte3ring his people. How many palaces did he build. How many arms and
>
>>munitions did he uy. How many people could he have fed with your blood
>>money
>
>>Bunel?
>>>
>>> So while you and Don are somberly remembering all those poor Iraqis that
>>> Saddam 'liquidated'
>>
>>
>>Nope.....you can't rewrite this one amigo. It's on your ass like stink on
>
>>****
>>
>>to use the term favoured by your Central Intelligence
>>> Agency, you might also considering remembering, belatedly, the mountains
>>> of bodies produced elsewhere over the years by other governments who
>>> enjoyed
>>> 'alliances of convenience' with yours.......Suharto, the Shah, Marcos,
>
>>> Mobutu,
>>> Duarte, Somoza, Pinochet....there are literally dozens of them, and
>>> hundreds
>>> of thousands of victims.
>>
>>Yeah, they were sorta like Sadaam. Why don't you take a look at the
>>mountains of bodies produced by Hitler and Stalin and the Gulags
>>pertetuated
>
>>by their subsequent successors and leftist regimes.Let's take a look at
> Mao
>>and Castro while we're at it and since you are so good at speculation, why
>
>>don't you speculate on what might have happened if these monsters were
>>running those countries. You spew this garbage while conveniently ignoring
>
>>that there was a much greater power struggle going on. At your request,
> we
>>helped keep these assholes off your doorstep for 40 years. Have you ever
>
>>been up close and personal with a shooting war Bunel? Maybe you have. I
> was
>>living in central America in the 70's and 80's saw both sides of the shit
>
>>going down in both Nicaragua and El Salvador. The Castroites were every
> bit
>>as bloody and ruthless as the other side and despite the one sided
>>reporting
>
>>by the press, the people there hated them too. They murdered thousands of
>
>>people. I saw some of it.
>>
>>And you might conclude that the roaring noise you
>>> hear in the background when your president says 'they hate our freedoms'
>>> is the ironic, in many cases desperate, laughter of the world's
>>> millions,
>>> laughing that they do not weep at the utter shameful mendacity of it
>>> all.
>>
>>Yeah.that's why there are immigrants just beating down our doors to get
> out
>>of here. Speaking of shameless mendacity, why don't you read up a bit on
>
>>French colonial rule and the things your precious country is capable of
>
>>doing.? ......and BTW, it seems that the natives are getting pretty
>>restless
>
>>in your neck of the woods. You might wan to think about that the nextime
>
>>they light up another city or two.
>>
>>> Also, you might remember the half-million Iraqi children whose deaths
> your
>>> Sec of State considered a fair price to pay for furthering US policy.
>>
>>Nope, this is your bag to hold and you held it for 10 years.
>>
>>A half
>>> million! Can you imagine a half million AMERICAN children dead from want
>>> of food and medicine, as the result of an administrative decision?
>>
>>Excuse me, but you must have mistaken the administration that made this
>
>>decision and that would be the French. As far as myu imagining half a
>>million American children dead. Yes, I can. I imagine it every day and I
>
>>think it will happen because there are leftists in our government and
>>media
>
>>who are willing to do anything for power and also because more than half
> the
>>people here (if you believe the polls) do not believe we are in a war.
>>It's
>
>>just gonna take one nuke. I'm sure you will enjoy that until they nuke you
>
>>and we aren't around anymore to pull your ass out of the fire.
>>
>>Can you
>>> imagine American reaction to a foreign official, Putin, let's say,
>>> shrugging
>>> his shoulders and saying too bad....a convenience.....get over it.
>>> Alliances
>>> shift.
>>
>>I can certainly imagine this.......Putin and Chirac have already done it.
>>>
>>>>anyway................I can see where this is going and neither of us
> is
>>>
>>>>likely to change the other's mind. I'll wager though that the fleeting
>
>>>>pity
>>>
>>>>that we felt, for whatever reason, is more than Sadaam ever felt when
>>>>feeding people feet first into a wood chipper.
>>>
>>> Yup. You and Don are morally superior to Saddam Hussein. It's a start.
> I
>>> never doubted that YOU were, actually, but for Don it could be the start
>>> of something big. lol. (Just kidding, big guy! How's that new plectrum
>
>>> working
>>> out?)
>>
>>Well..............so far I haven't fed anything into a wood chipper but
>
>>wood.
>>
>>Happy new year,
>>
>>DJ
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77673 is a reply to message #77658] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 11:33 |
DC
Messages: 722
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And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you,
that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
Want to save yourselves?
Start here:
http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for
you
things get much worse than the articles above present.
You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you can
act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere in
your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great
about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous,
and tell the truth.
I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a damn
RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I
have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your welfare
I am interested in.
Contrast that with the derision coming from your side...
DC
"ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Hi ,
>When is the time for others?
>Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan ,Palestina
>....
>You most now the history and now where you talking about before give youre
>opinion about other poeple or country.
>Remember Hiroshima and others.
>I'm curieus about the reactions.
>Happy new year!!!
>
>"DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he saw
>the
>>noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>
>>
>>"DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>
>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77678 is a reply to message #77673] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 11:04 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent
conversation.
DC wrote:
> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you,
> that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
>
> Want to save yourselves?
>
> Start here:
>
> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
>
> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
>
>
> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
>
> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for
> you
> things get much worse than the articles above present.
>
> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you can
> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere in
> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great
> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous,
>
> and tell the truth.
>
> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a damn
> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I
> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your welfare
>
> I am interested in.
>
> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side...
>
> DC
>
> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi ,
>> When is the time for others?
>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan ,Palestina
>> ....
>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give youre
>> opinion about other poeple or country.
>> Remember Hiroshima and others.
>> I'm curieus about the reactions.
>> Happy new year!!!
>>
>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he saw
>> the
>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>
>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77680 is a reply to message #77678] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 11:54 |
DC
Messages: 722
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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I hate no one.
DC
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>It's a lot easier to just hate than it is to have an intelligent
>conversation.
>
>DC wrote:
>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you,
>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
>>
>> Want to save yourselves?
>>
>> Start here:
>>
>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
>>
>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
>>
>>
>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
>>
>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for
>> you
>> things get much worse than the articles above present.
>>
>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you
can
>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere
in
>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great
>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous,
>>
>> and tell the truth.
>>
>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a
damn
>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I
>> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your welfare
>>
>> I am interested in.
>>
>> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side...
>>
>> DC
>>
>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Hi ,
>>> When is the time for others?
>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan ,Palestina
>>> ....
>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give
youre
>>> opinion about other poeple or country.
>>> Remember Hiroshima and others.
>>> I'm curieus about the reactions.
>>> Happy new year!!!
>>>
>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he
saw
>>> the
>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77681 is a reply to message #77673] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 11:19 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Pot calling kettle? Your lack of respect for anyone who disagrees with
you politically is clear in this post and even in some of your "jokes."
It's odd, because you're not a dumb guy.
We're all free to have our opinions, Don, even ironic self righteous
grumbling about what you may perceive as self righteous grumbling.
Your gear posts are generally more cogent than the talking points and ad
hominem stances you sometimes serve up in political threads, but thanks
for adding your flavors to the stew.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DC wrote:
> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you,
> that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
>
> Want to save yourselves?
>
> Start here:
>
> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
>
> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
>
> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
>
>
> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
>
> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for
> you
> things get much worse than the articles above present.
>
> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you can
> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere in
> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great
> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous,
>
> and tell the truth.
>
> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a damn
> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I
> have treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your welfare
>
> I am interested in.
>
> Contrast that with the derision coming from your side...
>
> DC
>
> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi ,
>> When is the time for others?
>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan ,Palestina
>> ....
>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give youre
>> opinion about other poeple or country.
>> Remember Hiroshima and others.
>> I'm curieus about the reactions.
>> Happy new year!!!
>>
>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he saw
>> the
>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>
>>>
>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>
>
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| Re: Saddam Executed [message #77682 is a reply to message #77681] |
Sun, 31 December 2006 11:38 |
DJ
Messages: 1124
Registered: July 2005
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Senior Member |
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Jamie,
Did you read the link to the article he posted by Victor Hanson? Do you find
anything there at remotely resembles reality from your point of view?
Regards,
Deej
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:45980a4e$1@linux...
>
> Pot calling kettle? Your lack of respect for anyone who disagrees with you
> politically is clear in this post and even in some of your "jokes." It's
> odd, because you're not a dumb guy.
>
> We're all free to have our opinions, Don, even ironic self righteous
> grumbling about what you may perceive as self righteous grumbling.
>
> Your gear posts are generally more cogent than the talking points and ad
> hominem stances you sometimes serve up in political threads, but thanks
> for adding your flavors to the stew.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> DC wrote:
>> And you are the reason, you and Erlilo, and the rest who think like you,
>> that Europe is headed for Eurabia.
>>
>> Want to save yourselves?
>>
>> Start here:
>>
>> http://www.victorhanson.com/articles/hanson120706.html
>>
>> http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=22563
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/id/2138332/
>>
>>
>> Notice that none of these is written from a Christian perspective.
>> Consider, and hope, that the Bible is wrong, because if it is right, for
>> you
>> things get much worse than the articles above present.
>>
>> You can call me names, you can conflate Hiroshima with terrorism, you can
>> act as superior as you like, but your culture is dying, and somewhere in
>> your superior hearts, you suspect I am right. That's what is so great
>> about freedom. I can stand up, in the very faces of the self-righteous,
>>
>> and tell the truth.
>>
>> I am right, and it's probably too late for you. At minimum, I have a
>> damn
>> RIGHT to dissent from you and should be treated as respectfully as I have
>> treated you. It is your ideas I dissent from, but it is your welfare
>>
>> I am interested in. Contrast that with the derision coming from your
>> side...
>>
>> DC
>>
>> "ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Hi ,
>>> When is the time for others?
>>> Like Bush , Sharon ,Blair and so....
>>> The killed also and still killed poeple in Amerika , Afghanistan
>>> ,Palestina
>>> ....
>>> You most now the history and now where you talking about before give
>>> youre
>>> opinion about other poeple or country.
>>> Remember Hiroshima and others.
>>> I'm curieus about the reactions.
>>> Happy new year!!!
>>>
>>> "DJ" <nowayjose@dude.net> wrote:
>>>> As much as this guy was to be despised, the look on his face when he
>>>> saw
>>> the
>>>> noose was wrenching and despite myself, I felt pity.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DC" <dc@saddaminhell.com> wrote in message news:4595fb0a$1@linux...
>>>>> The New York Times goes into mourning....
>>>>
>>
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