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| Artifacts [message #86295] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 15:53  |
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brandon[2]
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All,
I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs on th guitars
and few other minor things.
No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there is noticable
distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
I dont hear these on my mixing monitors during playback.
I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed completely. That was
not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and also on the
vox FX channel just for good measure. I backed off of the threshold on the
main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. You can see
my mix was not very hot. This got rid of 75% of the problem. Now I hear little
artifacts on the lead vox that sound like processing artifacts to me. I am
wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I use the
EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that method? Any ideas?
Thanks B
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86298 is a reply to message #86297] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 17:03  |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom all the way in & see if you
see a little spike on the waveform. If that's the case, then
you need to edit those tiny sections somehow, if it's not, then
start your processing with one plugin at a time until you hear
it, then you'll know what's causing it (if it's a plugin).
They're happeneing in the same places every time, right?
That's all I can think of - Apart from the fact that you're
absolutely psycho to be using three L2's in a row on a piece of
this nature - lol! Are you perhaps clipping things that are
already clipped, then clipping those clipped clips one last
time before it hits your ears?
Neil
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>No no Autotune.
>Vox main chain is:
>Waves EQ (cutting only)
>WavesL2
>
>Vox FX channel chain is:
>SIR
>WavesL2
>
>Main Bus Chain is:
>WavesEQ(cutting only)
>Waves L2
>
>thx
>b
>
>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? I have found that plug to have
>>NO headroom...
>>
>>David.
>>
>>Brandon wrote:
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
>>> I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs on th
guitars
>>> and few other minor things.
>>> No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
>>> I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there is noticable
>>> distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
>>> I dont hear these on my mixing monitors during playback.
>>> I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed completely. That
>was
>>> not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and also on
the
>>> vox FX channel just for good measure. I backed off of the threshold on
>the
>>> main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. You can
>see
>>> my mix was not very hot. This got rid of 75% of the problem. Now I hear
>little
>>> artifacts on the lead vox that sound like processing artifacts to me.
>I am
>>> wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I use
the
>>> EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that method? Any
>ideas?
>>> Thanks B
>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86299 is a reply to message #86298] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 17:13 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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Neil,
I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was clipping.
The thresholds are at Zero and the output is -2db.
The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it
on my portable CD player with my AKG headphones.
You dont hear it on a boombox or home stereo or car stereo.
The source material is not clipped I am sure.
Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my export up?
thx
b
"Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom all the way in & see if you
>see a little spike on the waveform. If that's the case, then
>you need to edit those tiny sections somehow, if it's not, then
>start your processing with one plugin at a time until you hear
>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if it's a plugin).
>
>They're happeneing in the same places every time, right?
>
>That's all I can think of - Apart from the fact that you're
>absolutely psycho to be using three L2's in a row on a piece of
>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps clipping things that are
>already clipped, then clipping those clipped clips one last
>time before it hits your ears?
>
>Neil
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>No no Autotune.
>>Vox main chain is:
>>Waves EQ (cutting only)
>>WavesL2
>>
>>Vox FX channel chain is:
>>SIR
>>WavesL2
>>
>>Main Bus Chain is:
>>WavesEQ(cutting only)
>>Waves L2
>>
>>thx
>>b
>>
>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? I have found that plug to have
>>>NO headroom...
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
>>>> I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs on th
>guitars
>>>> and few other minor things.
>>>> No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
>>>> I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there is noticable
>>>> distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
>>>> I dont hear these on my mixing monitors during playback.
>>>> I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed completely. That
>>was
>>>> not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and also on
>the
>>>> vox FX channel just for good measure. I backed off of the threshold
on
>>the
>>>> main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. You can
>>see
>>>> my mix was not very hot. This got rid of 75% of the problem. Now I hear
>>little
>>>> artifacts on the lead vox that sound like processing artifacts to me.
>>I am
>>>> wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I use
>the
>>>> EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that method? Any
>>ideas?
>>>> Thanks B
>>
>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86300 is a reply to message #86299] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 17:15 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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Brandon,
IF you don't hear it on those other playback options, you sur ethe issue
isn't in the cd player or the headphones?
Jeff
> Neil,
>
> I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was clipping.
> The thresholds are at Zero and the output is -2db.
> The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it
> on my portable CD player with my AKG headphones.
> You dont hear it on a boombox or home stereo or car stereo.
> The source material is not clipped I am sure.
> Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my export up?
> thx
> b
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom all the way in & see if you
>>see a little spike on the waveform. If that's the case, then
>>you need to edit those tiny sections somehow, if it's not, then
>>start your processing with one plugin at a time until you hear
>>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if it's a plugin).
>>
>>They're happeneing in the same places every time, right?
>>
>>That's all I can think of - Apart from the fact that you're
>>absolutely psycho to be using three L2's in a row on a piece of
>>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps clipping things that are
>>already clipped, then clipping those clipped clips one last
>>time before it hits your ears?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>>No no Autotune.
>>>Vox main chain is:
>>>Waves EQ (cutting only)
>>>WavesL2
>>>
>>>Vox FX channel chain is:
>>>SIR
>>>WavesL2
>>>
>>>Main Bus Chain is:
>>>WavesEQ(cutting only)
>>>Waves L2
>>>
>>>thx
>>>b
>>>
>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? I have found that plug to have
>
>
>>>>NO headroom...
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>All,
>>>>>
>>>>>I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
>>>>>I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs on th
>>
>>guitars
>>
>>>>>and few other minor things.
>>>>>No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
>>>>>I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there is noticable
>>>>>distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
>>>>>I dont hear these on my mixing monitors during playback.
>>>>>I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed completely. That
>>>
>>>was
>>>
>>>>>not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and also on
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>>vox FX channel just for good measure. I backed off of the threshold
>
> on
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. You can
>>>
>>>see
>>>
>>>>>my mix was not very hot. This got rid of 75% of the problem. Now I hear
>>>
>>>little
>>>
>>>>>artifacts on the lead vox that sound like processing artifacts to me.
>>>
>>>I am
>>>
>>>>>wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I use
>>
>>the
>>
>>>>>EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that method? Any
>>>
>>>ideas?
>>>
>>>>>Thanks B
>>>
>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86301 is a reply to message #86300] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 17:42 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
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I thought of that, but I listen to a wide variety of different genres on there
and have never heard that on any other CD.
I guess I could try a different portable CD player and a different set of
headphones. I will try this.
thx
b
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Brandon,
>
>IF you don't hear it on those other playback options, you sur ethe issue
>isn't in the cd player or the headphones?
>
>Jeff
>
>
>> Neil,
>>
>> I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was clipping.
>> The thresholds are at Zero and the output is -2db.
>> The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it
>> on my portable CD player with my AKG headphones.
>> You dont hear it on a boombox or home stereo or car stereo.
>> The source material is not clipped I am sure.
>> Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my export up?
>> thx
>> b
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom all the way in & see if you
>>>see a little spike on the waveform. If that's the case, then
>>>you need to edit those tiny sections somehow, if it's not, then
>>>start your processing with one plugin at a time until you hear
>>>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if it's a plugin).
>>>
>>>They're happeneing in the same places every time, right?
>>>
>>>That's all I can think of - Apart from the fact that you're
>>>absolutely psycho to be using three L2's in a row on a piece of
>>>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps clipping things that are
>>>already clipped, then clipping those clipped clips one last
>>>time before it hits your ears?
>>>
>>>Neil
>>>
>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>No no Autotune.
>>>>Vox main chain is:
>>>>Waves EQ (cutting only)
>>>>WavesL2
>>>>
>>>>Vox FX channel chain is:
>>>>SIR
>>>>WavesL2
>>>>
>>>>Main Bus Chain is:
>>>>WavesEQ(cutting only)
>>>>Waves L2
>>>>
>>>>thx
>>>>b
>>>>
>>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? I have found that plug to have
>>
>>
>>>>>NO headroom...
>>>>>
>>>>>David.
>>>>>
>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
>>>>>>I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs on th
>>>
>>>guitars
>>>
>>>>>>and few other minor things.
>>>>>>No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
>>>>>>I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there is
noticable
>>>>>>distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
>>>>>>I dont hear these on my mixing monitors during playback.
>>>>>>I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed completely.
That
>>>>
>>>>was
>>>>
>>>>>>not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and also on
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>vox FX channel just for good measure. I backed off of the threshold
>>
>> on
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. You can
>>>>
>>>>see
>>>>
>>>>>>my mix was not very hot. This got rid of 75% of the problem. Now I
hear
>>>>
>>>>little
>>>>
>>>>>>artifacts on the lead vox that sound like processing artifacts to me.
>>>>
>>>>I am
>>>>
>>>>>>wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I use
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>>EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that method?
Any
>>>>
>>>>ideas?
>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks B
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86302 is a reply to message #86301] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 17:46 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
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Nope still there with a different porable CD player.
I guess I will have to go on a witch hunt to find whats doin this.
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>I thought of that, but I listen to a wide variety of different genres on
there
>and have never heard that on any other CD.
>I guess I could try a different portable CD player and a different set of
>headphones. I will try this.
>thx
>b
>
>
>
>Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>Brandon,
>>
>>IF you don't hear it on those other playback options, you sur ethe issue
>
>>isn't in the cd player or the headphones?
>>
>>Jeff
>>
>>
>>> Neil,
>>>
>>> I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was clipping.
>>> The thresholds are at Zero and the output is -2db.
>>> The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it
>>> on my portable CD player with my AKG headphones.
>>> You dont hear it on a boombox or home stereo or car stereo.
>>> The source material is not clipped I am sure.
>>> Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my export up?
>>> thx
>>> b
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom all the way in & see if you
>>>>see a little spike on the waveform. If that's the case, then
>>>>you need to edit those tiny sections somehow, if it's not, then
>>>>start your processing with one plugin at a time until you hear
>>>>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if it's a plugin).
>>>>
>>>>They're happeneing in the same places every time, right?
>>>>
>>>>That's all I can think of - Apart from the fact that you're
>>>>absolutely psycho to be using three L2's in a row on a piece of
>>>>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps clipping things that are
>>>>already clipped, then clipping those clipped clips one last
>>>>time before it hits your ears?
>>>>
>>>>Neil
>>>>
>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>No no Autotune.
>>>>>Vox main chain is:
>>>>>Waves EQ (cutting only)
>>>>>WavesL2
>>>>>
>>>>>Vox FX channel chain is:
>>>>>SIR
>>>>>WavesL2
>>>>>
>>>>>Main Bus Chain is:
>>>>>WavesEQ(cutting only)
>>>>>Waves L2
>>>>>
>>>>>thx
>>>>>b
>>>>>
>>>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? I have found that plug to have
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>NO headroom...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
>>>>>>>I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs on
th
>>>>
>>>>guitars
>>>>
>>>>>>>and few other minor things.
>>>>>>>No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
>>>>>>>I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there is
>noticable
>>>>>>>distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
>>>>>>>I dont hear these on my mixing monitors during playback.
>>>>>>>I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed completely.
>That
>>>>>
>>>>>was
>>>>>
>>>>>>>not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and also
on
>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>>vox FX channel just for good measure. I backed off of the threshold
>>>
>>> on
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. You
can
>>>>>
>>>>>see
>>>>>
>>>>>>>my mix was not very hot. This got rid of 75% of the problem. Now I
>hear
>>>>>
>>>>>little
>>>>>
>>>>>>>artifacts on the lead vox that sound like processing artifacts to
me.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am
>>>>>
>>>>>>>wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I use
>>>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>>>>EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that method?
>Any
>>>>>
>>>>>ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks B
>>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86303 is a reply to message #86302] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 17:52 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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Does anyone have a recommended VST wrapper "free" for use with Cubase SX3?
I want to try this on SIR.
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>Nope still there with a different porable CD player.
>I guess I will have to go on a witch hunt to find whats doin this.
>
>
>
>
>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>I thought of that, but I listen to a wide variety of different genres on
>there
>>and have never heard that on any other CD.
>>I guess I could try a different portable CD player and a different set
of
>>headphones. I will try this.
>>thx
>>b
>>
>>
>>
>>Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>Brandon,
>>>
>>>IF you don't hear it on those other playback options, you sur ethe issue
>>
>>>isn't in the cd player or the headphones?
>>>
>>>Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>> Neil,
>>>>
>>>> I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was clipping.
>>>> The thresholds are at Zero and the output is -2db.
>>>> The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it
>>>> on my portable CD player with my AKG headphones.
>>>> You dont hear it on a boombox or home stereo or car stereo.
>>>> The source material is not clipped I am sure.
>>>> Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my export up?
>>>> thx
>>>> b
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom all the way in & see if you
>>>>>see a little spike on the waveform. If that's the case, then
>>>>>you need to edit those tiny sections somehow, if it's not, then
>>>>>start your processing with one plugin at a time until you hear
>>>>>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if it's a plugin).
>>>>>
>>>>>They're happeneing in the same places every time, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>That's all I can think of - Apart from the fact that you're
>>>>>absolutely psycho to be using three L2's in a row on a piece of
>>>>>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps clipping things that are
>>>>>already clipped, then clipping those clipped clips one last
>>>>>time before it hits your ears?
>>>>>
>>>>>Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>No no Autotune.
>>>>>>Vox main chain is:
>>>>>>Waves EQ (cutting only)
>>>>>>WavesL2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vox FX channel chain is:
>>>>>>SIR
>>>>>>WavesL2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Main Bus Chain is:
>>>>>>WavesEQ(cutting only)
>>>>>>Waves L2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thx
>>>>>>b
>>>>>>
>>>>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? I have found that plug to have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>NO headroom...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
>>>>>>>>I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs on
>th
>>>>>
>>>>>guitars
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and few other minor things.
>>>>>>>>No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
>>>>>>>>I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there is
>>noticable
>>>>>>>>distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
>>>>>>>>I dont hear these on my mixing monitors during playback.
>>>>>>>>I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed completely.
>>That
>>>>>>
>>>>>>was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and also
>on
>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>vox FX channel just for good measure. I backed off of the threshold
>>>>
>>>> on
>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. You
>can
>>>>>>
>>>>>>see
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>my mix was not very hot. This got rid of 75% of the problem. Now
I
>>hear
>>>>>>
>>>>>>little
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>artifacts on the lead vox that sound like processing artifacts to
>me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I
use
>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that method?
>>Any
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks B
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86304 is a reply to message #86302] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 17:45 |
JeffH
Messages: 307
Registered: October 2007
Location: Wamic, OR
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Senior Member |
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Brandon
What about monitoring with the headphones directly from the output of
the daw?
Jeff
wrote:
> Nope still there with a different porable CD player.
> I guess I will have to go on a witch hunt to find whats doin this.
>
>
>
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>>I thought of that, but I listen to a wide variety of different genres on
>
> there
>
>>and have never heard that on any other CD.
>>I guess I could try a different portable CD player and a different set of
>>headphones. I will try this.
>>thx
>>b
>>
>>
>>
>>Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Brandon,
>>>
>>>IF you don't hear it on those other playback options, you sur ethe issue
>>
>>>isn't in the cd player or the headphones?
>>>
>>>Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Neil,
>>>>
>>>>I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was clipping.
>>>>The thresholds are at Zero and the output is -2db.
>>>>The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it
>>>>on my portable CD player with my AKG headphones.
>>>>You dont hear it on a boombox or home stereo or car stereo.
>>>>The source material is not clipped I am sure.
>>>>Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my export up?
>>>>thx
>>>>b
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom all the way in & see if you
>>>>>see a little spike on the waveform. If that's the case, then
>>>>>you need to edit those tiny sections somehow, if it's not, then
>>>>>start your processing with one plugin at a time until you hear
>>>>>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if it's a plugin).
>>>>>
>>>>>They're happeneing in the same places every time, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>That's all I can think of - Apart from the fact that you're
>>>>>absolutely psycho to be using three L2's in a row on a piece of
>>>>>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps clipping things that are
>>>>>already clipped, then clipping those clipped clips one last
>>>>>time before it hits your ears?
>>>>>
>>>>>Neil
>>>>>
>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>No no Autotune.
>>>>>>Vox main chain is:
>>>>>>Waves EQ (cutting only)
>>>>>>WavesL2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Vox FX channel chain is:
>>>>>>SIR
>>>>>>WavesL2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Main Bus Chain is:
>>>>>>WavesEQ(cutting only)
>>>>>>Waves L2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>thx
>>>>>>b
>>>>>>
>>>>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? I have found that plug to have
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>NO headroom...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>All,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
>>>>>>>>I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs on
>
> th
>
>>>>>guitars
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>and few other minor things.
>>>>>>>>No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
>>>>>>>>I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there is
>>
>>noticable
>>
>>>>>>>>distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
>>>>>>>>I dont hear these on my mixing monitors during playback.
>>>>>>>>I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed completely.
>>
>>That
>>
>>>>>>was
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and also
>
> on
>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>vox FX channel just for good measure. I backed off of the threshold
>>>>
>>>>on
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. You
>
> can
>
>>>>>>see
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>my mix was not very hot. This got rid of 75% of the problem. Now I
>>
>>hear
>>
>>>>>>little
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>artifacts on the lead vox that sound like processing artifacts to
>
> me.
>
>>>>>>I am
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I use
>>>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that method?
>>
>>Any
>>
>>>>>>ideas?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks B
>>>>>>
>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86306 is a reply to message #86304] |
Thu, 07 June 2007 18:02 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
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Yes I will try that.
Things I am going to try:
1 . Monitor from live daw with multiple headphones
2 . Monitor from daw with multiple headphones with mixdown file
3 . Remove SIR and listen to mixdown.
4 . Wrap SIR
5 . Remove all guitars and mixdown only leadvox and listen
Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>Brandon
>
>What about monitoring with the headphones directly from the output of
>the daw?
>
>Jeff
>
> wrote:
>> Nope still there with a different porable CD player.
>> I guess I will have to go on a witch hunt to find whats doin this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I thought of that, but I listen to a wide variety of different genres
on
>>
>> there
>>
>>>and have never heard that on any other CD.
>>>I guess I could try a different portable CD player and a different set
of
>>>headphones. I will try this.
>>>thx
>>>b
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Jeff Hoover <jkhoover@excite.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Brandon,
>>>>
>>>>IF you don't hear it on those other playback options, you sur ethe issue
>>>
>>>>isn't in the cd player or the headphones?
>>>>
>>>>Jeff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Neil,
>>>>>
>>>>>I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was clipping.
>>>>>The thresholds are at Zero and the output is -2db.
>>>>>The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it
>>>>>on my portable CD player with my AKG headphones.
>>>>>You dont hear it on a boombox or home stereo or car stereo.
>>>>>The source material is not clipped I am sure.
>>>>>Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my export up?
>>>>>thx
>>>>>b
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom all the way in & see if you
>>>>>>see a little spike on the waveform. If that's the case, then
>>>>>>you need to edit those tiny sections somehow, if it's not, then
>>>>>>start your processing with one plugin at a time until you hear
>>>>>>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if it's a plugin).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They're happeneing in the same places every time, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's all I can think of - Apart from the fact that you're
>>>>>>absolutely psycho to be using three L2's in a row on a piece of
>>>>>>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps clipping things that are
>>>>>>already clipped, then clipping those clipped clips one last
>>>>>>time before it hits your ears?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Neil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No no Autotune.
>>>>>>>Vox main chain is:
>>>>>>>Waves EQ (cutting only)
>>>>>>>WavesL2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Vox FX channel chain is:
>>>>>>>SIR
>>>>>>>WavesL2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Main Bus Chain is:
>>>>>>>WavesEQ(cutting only)
>>>>>>>Waves L2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>thx
>>>>>>>b
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? I have found that plug to
have
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>NO headroom...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>David.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>All,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
>>>>>>>>>I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs on
>>
>> th
>>
>>>>>>guitars
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>and few other minor things.
>>>>>>>>>No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
>>>>>>>>>I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there
is
>>>
>>>noticable
>>>
>>>>>>>>>distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
>>>>>>>>>I dont hear these on my mixing monitors during playback.
>>>>>>>>>I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed completely.
>>>
>>>That
>>>
>>>>>>>was
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and also
>>
>> on
>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>vox FX channel just for good measure. I backed off of the threshold
>>>>>
>>>>>on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. You
>>
>> can
>>
>>>>>>>see
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>my mix was not very hot. This got rid of 75% of the problem. Now
I
>>>
>>>hear
>>>
>>>>>>>little
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>artifacts on the lead vox that sound like processing artifacts to
>>
>> me.
>>
>>>>>>>I am
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I
use
>>>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that method?
>>>
>>>Any
>>>
>>>>>>>ideas?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks B
>>>>>>>
>>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86322 is a reply to message #86299] |
Fri, 08 June 2007 01:43 |
erlilo
Messages: 405
Registered: June 2005
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Senior Member |
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If you have Cool Edit Pro, Adobe Audition or something similar, you can try
what Neil said to see if something is clipping to hard some places on single
instruments. You can for the most fix bad clippings in those programs. To
many plugins can also do strange things on the sound, if it's on single
instruments or whole mix, so be sure you have these things under control
too. Be sure the plugins in serial don't get too hot signal anywhere on its
way out. It will not help if L2 are first with -2 db output, if a second
plugin are boosting the sound up too high before a third plugin get the
signal from the second one.
Erling
"Brandon" <a@a.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:46689f25$1@linux...
>
> Neil,
>
> I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was clipping.
> The thresholds are at Zero and the output is -2db.
> The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it
> on my portable CD player with my AKG headphones.
> You dont hear it on a boombox or home stereo or car stereo.
> The source material is not clipped I am sure.
> Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my export up?
> thx
> b
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom all the way in & see if you
>>see a little spike on the waveform. If that's the case, then
>>you need to edit those tiny sections somehow, if it's not, then
>>start your processing with one plugin at a time until you hear
>>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if it's a plugin).
>>
>>They're happeneing in the same places every time, right?
>>
>>That's all I can think of - Apart from the fact that you're
>>absolutely psycho to be using three L2's in a row on a piece of
>>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps clipping things that are
>>already clipped, then clipping those clipped clips one last
>>time before it hits your ears?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>No no Autotune.
>>>Vox main chain is:
>>>Waves EQ (cutting only)
>>>WavesL2
>>>
>>>Vox FX channel chain is:
>>>SIR
>>>WavesL2
>>>
>>>Main Bus Chain is:
>>>WavesEQ(cutting only)
>>>Waves L2
>>>
>>>thx
>>>b
>>>
>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? I have found that plug to have
>
>>>>NO headroom...
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
>>>>> I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs on th
>>guitars
>>>>> and few other minor things.
>>>>> No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
>>>>> I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there is
>>>>> noticable
>>>>> distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
>>>>> I dont hear these on my mixing monitors during playback.
>>>>> I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed completely.
>>>>> That
>>>was
>>>>> not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and also on
>>the
>>>>> vox FX channel just for good measure. I backed off of the threshold
> on
>>>the
>>>>> main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. You can
>>>see
>>>>> my mix was not very hot. This got rid of 75% of the problem. Now I
>>>>> hear
>>>little
>>>>> artifacts on the lead vox that sound like processing artifacts to me.
>>>I am
>>>>> wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I use
>>the
>>>>> EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that method? Any
>>>ideas?
>>>>> Thanks B
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86333 is a reply to message #86322] |
Fri, 08 June 2007 05:33 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
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Yeah Neil they may be the first thing I try is to increase my latency =
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--=20
Thanks,
Brandon=20
"erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote in message news:46691886@linux...
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Erling
"Brandon" <a@a.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:46689f25$1@linux...
>
> Neil,
>
> I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was clipping.
> The thresholds are at Zero and the output is -2db.
> The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it
> on my portable CD player with my AKG headphones.
> You dont hear it on a boombox or home stereo or car stereo.
> The source material is not clipped I am sure.
> Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my export up?
> thx
> b
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom all the way in & see if you
>>see a little spike on the waveform. If that's the case, then
>>you need to edit those tiny sections somehow, if it's not, then
>>start your processing with one plugin at a time until you hear
>>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if it's a plugin).
>>
>>They're happeneing in the same places every time, right?
>>
>>That's all I can think of - Apart from the fact that you're
>>absolutely psycho to be using three L2's in a row on a piece of
>>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps clipping things that are
>>already clipped, then clipping those clipped clips one last
>>time before it hits your ears?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>No no Autotune.
>>>Vox main chain is:
>>>Waves EQ (cutting only)
>>>WavesL2
>>>
>>>Vox FX channel chain is:
>>>SIR
>>>WavesL2
>>>
>>>Main Bus Chain is:
>>>WavesEQ(cutting only)
>>>Waves L2
>>>
>>>thx
>>>b
>>>
>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? I have found that plug to =
have
>
>>>>NO headroom...
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
>>>>> I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs =
on th
>>guitars
>>>>> and few other minor things.
>>>>> No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
>>>>> I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there =
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>>>>> distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
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>>>>> I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed =
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>>>>> not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and =
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> on
>>>the
>>>>> main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. =
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>>>I am
>>>>> wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I =
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>>>>> EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that =
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>>>>> Thanks B
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86377 is a reply to message #86333] |
Sat, 09 June 2007 05:18 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
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Well it wasnt clipping. If I were to guess I would say
it sounded more like a clocking issue or power supply issue.
It was kind of a fuzzy, phasey distorted thing. I plugged in the headphones
to the DAW and listened to the live feed. I was there. After stripping away
one thing at a time I eventually got down to the unprocessed lead vox track
and there it was. I dont know how I didnt hear this during tracking... Well
I guess actually I do.. I wasnt listening thru headphones I was listening
thru the monitors. I cant hear it in the monitors.Anyway I was able to grab
the phrase from later in the trak and copy it over and that fixed it. This
is very unsettling. I wonder if it is the tube in my mic...??? How would
I go about finding that out?
thx again for everyones input.
b
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>
>Thx all,
>Yeah Neil they may be the first thing I try is to increase my latency =
>settings and redump.
>
>--=20
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon=20
>
>
> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote in message news:46691886@linux...
> If you have Cool Edit Pro, Adobe Audition or something similar, you =
>can try=20
> what Neil said to see if something is clipping to hard some places on
=
>single=20
> instruments. You can for the most fix bad clippings in those programs.
=
>To=20
> many plugins can also do strange things on the sound, if it's on =
>single=20
> instruments or whole mix, so be sure you have these things under =
>control=20
> too. Be sure the plugins in serial don't get too hot signal anywhere =
>on its=20
> way out. It will not help if L2 are first with -2 db output, if a =
>second=20
> plugin are boosting the sound up too high before a third plugin get =
>the=20
> signal from the second one.
>
> Erling
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:46689f25$1@linux...
> >
> > Neil,
> >
> > I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was clipping.
> > The thresholds are at Zero and the output is -2db.
> > The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it
> > on my portable CD player with my AKG headphones.
> > You dont hear it on a boombox or home stereo or car stereo.
> > The source material is not clipped I am sure.
> > Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my export up?
> > thx
> > b
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom all the way in & see if you
> >>see a little spike on the waveform. If that's the case, then
> >>you need to edit those tiny sections somehow, if it's not, then
> >>start your processing with one plugin at a time until you hear
> >>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if it's a plugin).
> >>
> >>They're happeneing in the same places every time, right?
> >>
> >>That's all I can think of - Apart from the fact that you're
> >>absolutely psycho to be using three L2's in a row on a piece of
> >>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps clipping things that are
> >>already clipped, then clipping those clipped clips one last
> >>time before it hits your ears?
> >>
> >>Neil
> >>
> >>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>No no Autotune.
> >>>Vox main chain is:
> >>>Waves EQ (cutting only)
> >>>WavesL2
> >>>
> >>>Vox FX channel chain is:
> >>>SIR
> >>>WavesL2
> >>>
> >>>Main Bus Chain is:
> >>>WavesEQ(cutting only)
> >>>Waves L2
> >>>
> >>>thx
> >>>b
> >>>
> >>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? I have found that plug to =
>have
> >
> >>>>NO headroom...
> >>>>
> >>>>David.
> >>>>
> >>>>Brandon wrote:
> >>>>> All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
> >>>>> I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs =
>on th
> >>guitars
> >>>>> and few other minor things.
> >>>>> No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
> >>>>> I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there
=
>is=20
> >>>>> noticable
> >>>>> distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
> >>>>> I dont hear these on my mixing monitors during playback.
> >>>>> I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed =
>completely.=20
> >>>>> That
> >>>was
> >>>>> not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and =
>also on
> >>the
> >>>>> vox FX channel just for good measure. I backed off of the =
>threshold
> > on
> >>>the
> >>>>> main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. =
>You can
> >>>see
> >>>>> my mix was not very hot. This got rid of 75% of the problem. Now
=
>I=20
> >>>>> hear
> >>>little
> >>>>> artifacts on the lead vox that sound like processing artifacts =
>to me.
> >>>I am
> >>>>> wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I
=
>use
> >>the
> >>>>> EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that =
>method? Any
> >>>ideas?
> >>>>> Thanks B
> >>>
> >>
> >=20
>
>
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Thx all,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Yeah Neil they may be the first thing I try is =
>to increase=20
>my latency settings and redump.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><BR>-- <BR>Thanks,</DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV>Brandon </DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
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> <DIV>"erlilo" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:erlingl@tdcadsl.dk">erlingl@tdcadsl.dk</A>> wrote in =
>message=20
> <A href=3D"news:46691886@linux">news:46691886@linux</A>...</DIV>If you
=
>have Cool=20
> Edit Pro, Adobe Audition or something similar, you can try <BR>what =
>Neil said=20
> to see if something is clipping to hard some places on single =
><BR>instruments.=20
> You can for the most fix bad clippings in those programs. To <BR>many
=
>plugins=20
> can also do strange things on the sound, if it's on single =
><BR>instruments or=20
> whole mix, so be sure you have these things under control <BR>too. Be
=
>sure the=20
> plugins in serial don't get too hot signal anywhere on its <BR>way =
>out. It=20
> will not help if L2 are first with -2 db output, if a second =
><BR>plugin are=20
> boosting the sound up too high before a third plugin get the =
><BR>signal from=20
> the second one.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR>"Brandon" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> skrev i en meddelelse <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:46689f25$1@linux">news:46689f25$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
>t;=20
> Neil,<BR>><BR>> I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was=20
> clipping.<BR>> The thresholds are at Zero and the output is =
>-2db.<BR>>=20
> The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it<BR>> on my =
>portable=20
> CD player with my AKG headphones.<BR>> You dont hear it on a =
>boombox or=20
> home stereo or car stereo.<BR>> The source material is not clipped =
>I am=20
> sure.<BR>> Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my =
>export=20
> up?<BR>> thx<BR>>=20
> b<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> "Neil" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:IUOI@OIU.com">IUOI@OIU.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom =
>all the=20
> way in & see if you<BR>>>see a little spike on the waveform. =
>If=20
> that's the case, then<BR>>>you need to edit those tiny sections =
>somehow,=20
> if it's not, then<BR>>>start your processing with one plugin at =
>a time=20
> until you hear<BR>>>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if =
>it's a=20
> plugin).<BR>>><BR>>>They're happeneing in the same places =
>every=20
> time, right?<BR>>><BR>>>That's all I can think of - =
>Apart=20
> from the fact that you're<BR>>>absolutely psycho to be using =
>three L2's=20
> in a row on a piece of<BR>>>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps =
>clipping=20
> things that are<BR>>>already clipped, then clipping those =
>clipped clips=20
> one last<BR>>>time before it hits your=20
> ears?<BR>>><BR>>>Neil<BR>>><BR>>>"Brandon" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> =
>wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>No=20
> no Autotune.<BR>>>>Vox main chain is:<BR>>>>Waves EQ =
>
> (cutting =
>only)<BR>>>>WavesL2<BR>>>><BR>>>>Vox FX=20
> channel chain=20
> =
>is:<BR>>>>SIR<BR>>>>WavesL2<BR>>>><BR>>>=
>>Main=20
> Bus Chain is:<BR>>>>WavesEQ(cutting =
>only)<BR>>>>Waves=20
> =
>L2<BR>>>><BR>>>>thx<BR>>>>b<BR>>>><BR=
>>>>>EK=20
> Sound <<A href=3D"mailto:askme@nospam.com">askme@nospam.com</A>> =
>
> wrote:<BR>>>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? =
>I have=20
> found that plug to have<BR>><BR>>>>>NO=20
> =
>headroom...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>David.<BR>>>>=
>><BR>>>>>Brandon=20
> wrote:<BR>>>>>>=20
> All,<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> I have finished =
>that mix=20
> I posted earlier.<BR>>>>>> I incorporated a few dbs on =
>the lead=20
> vox, a touch of the highs on =
>th<BR>>>guitars<BR>>>>>> and=20
> few other minor things.<BR>>>>>> No there is one major =
>thing=20
> that is annoying the <A href=3D"mailto:h@ll">h@ll</A> out of=20
> me.<BR>>>>>> I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s =
>I=20
> posted , but there is <BR>>>>>>=20
> noticable<BR>>>>>> distortion on the loud parts of the =
>lead=20
> vocal.<BR>>>>>> I dont hear these on my mixing monitors =
>during=20
> playback.<BR>>>>>> I thought it was the Antares Tube =
>plug which=20
> I removed completely. <BR>>>>>>=20
> That<BR>>>>was<BR>>>>>> not it. I finally thru =
>a=20
> limiter on the lead vox channel and also=20
> on<BR>>>the<BR>>>>>> vox FX channel just for good =
>
> measure. I backed off of the threshold<BR>>=20
> on<BR>>>>the<BR>>>>>> main bus limiter by 2 =
>db. It was=20
> set at -18 I took it to -16. You=20
> can<BR>>>>see<BR>>>>>> my mix was not very =
>hot. This=20
> got rid of 75% of the problem. Now I <BR>>>>>>=20
> hear<BR>>>>little<BR>>>>>> artifacts on the =
>lead vox=20
> that sound like processing artifacts to me.<BR>>>>I=20
> am<BR>>>>>> wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not =
>wrapped.=20
> To mixdown I use<BR>>>the<BR>>>>>> EXPORT in =
>CUBASE SX3.=20
> Could it be somethng related to that method?=20
> Any<BR>>>>ideas?<BR>>>>>> Thanks=20
> B<BR>>>><BR>>><BR>> =
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86378 is a reply to message #86333] |
Sat, 09 June 2007 05:19 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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Well it wasnt clipping. If I were to guess I would say
it sounded more like a clocking issue or power supply issue.
It was kind of a fuzzy, phasey distorted thing. I plugged in the headphones
to the DAW and listened to the live feed. I was there. After stripping away
one thing at a time I eventually got down to the unprocessed lead vox track
and there it was. I dont know how I didnt hear this during tracking... Well
I guess actually I do.. I wasnt listening thru headphones I was listening
thru the monitors. I cant hear it in the monitors.Anyway I was able to grab
the phrase from later in the trak and copy it over and that fixed it. This
is very unsettling. I wonder if it is the tube in my mic...??? How would
I go about finding that out?
thx again for everyones input.
b
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>
>
>Thx all,
>Yeah Neil they may be the first thing I try is to increase my latency =
>settings and redump.
>
>--=20
>Thanks,
>
>Brandon=20
>
>
> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote in message news:46691886@linux...
> If you have Cool Edit Pro, Adobe Audition or something similar, you =
>can try=20
> what Neil said to see if something is clipping to hard some places on
=
>single=20
> instruments. You can for the most fix bad clippings in those programs.
=
>To=20
> many plugins can also do strange things on the sound, if it's on =
>single=20
> instruments or whole mix, so be sure you have these things under =
>control=20
> too. Be sure the plugins in serial don't get too hot signal anywhere =
>on its=20
> way out. It will not help if L2 are first with -2 db output, if a =
>second=20
> plugin are boosting the sound up too high before a third plugin get =
>the=20
> signal from the second one.
>
> Erling
>
> "Brandon" <a@a.com> skrev i en meddelelse news:46689f25$1@linux...
> >
> > Neil,
> >
> > I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was clipping.
> > The thresholds are at Zero and the output is -2db.
> > The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it
> > on my portable CD player with my AKG headphones.
> > You dont hear it on a boombox or home stereo or car stereo.
> > The source material is not clipped I am sure.
> > Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my export up?
> > thx
> > b
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom all the way in & see if you
> >>see a little spike on the waveform. If that's the case, then
> >>you need to edit those tiny sections somehow, if it's not, then
> >>start your processing with one plugin at a time until you hear
> >>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if it's a plugin).
> >>
> >>They're happeneing in the same places every time, right?
> >>
> >>That's all I can think of - Apart from the fact that you're
> >>absolutely psycho to be using three L2's in a row on a piece of
> >>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps clipping things that are
> >>already clipped, then clipping those clipped clips one last
> >>time before it hits your ears?
> >>
> >>Neil
> >>
> >>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>No no Autotune.
> >>>Vox main chain is:
> >>>Waves EQ (cutting only)
> >>>WavesL2
> >>>
> >>>Vox FX channel chain is:
> >>>SIR
> >>>WavesL2
> >>>
> >>>Main Bus Chain is:
> >>>WavesEQ(cutting only)
> >>>Waves L2
> >>>
> >>>thx
> >>>b
> >>>
> >>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? I have found that plug to =
>have
> >
> >>>>NO headroom...
> >>>>
> >>>>David.
> >>>>
> >>>>Brandon wrote:
> >>>>> All,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
> >>>>> I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs =
>on th
> >>guitars
> >>>>> and few other minor things.
> >>>>> No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
> >>>>> I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there
=
>is=20
> >>>>> noticable
> >>>>> distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
> >>>>> I dont hear these on my mixing monitors during playback.
> >>>>> I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed =
>completely.=20
> >>>>> That
> >>>was
> >>>>> not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and =
>also on
> >>the
> >>>>> vox FX channel just for good measure. I backed off of the =
>threshold
> > on
> >>>the
> >>>>> main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. =
>You can
> >>>see
> >>>>> my mix was not very hot. This got rid of 75% of the problem. Now
=
>I=20
> >>>>> hear
> >>>little
> >>>>> artifacts on the lead vox that sound like processing artifacts =
>to me.
> >>>I am
> >>>>> wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I
=
>use
> >>the
> >>>>> EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that =
>method? Any
> >>>ideas?
> >>>>> Thanks B
> >>>
> >>
> >=20
>
>
>
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Thx all,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Yeah Neil they may be the first thing I try is =
>to increase=20
>my latency settings and redump.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><BR>-- <BR>Thanks,</DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV>Brandon </DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><DIV> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"erlilo" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:erlingl@tdcadsl.dk">erlingl@tdcadsl.dk</A>> wrote in =
>message=20
> <A href=3D"news:46691886@linux">news:46691886@linux</A>...</DIV>If you
=
>have Cool=20
> Edit Pro, Adobe Audition or something similar, you can try <BR>what =
>Neil said=20
> to see if something is clipping to hard some places on single =
><BR>instruments.=20
> You can for the most fix bad clippings in those programs. To <BR>many
=
>plugins=20
> can also do strange things on the sound, if it's on single =
><BR>instruments or=20
> whole mix, so be sure you have these things under control <BR>too. Be
=
>sure the=20
> plugins in serial don't get too hot signal anywhere on its <BR>way =
>out. It=20
> will not help if L2 are first with -2 db output, if a second =
><BR>plugin are=20
> boosting the sound up too high before a third plugin get the =
><BR>signal from=20
> the second one.<BR><BR>Erling<BR><BR>"Brandon" <<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> skrev i en meddelelse <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:46689f25$1@linux">news:46689f25$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
>t;=20
> Neil,<BR>><BR>> I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was=20
> clipping.<BR>> The thresholds are at Zero and the output is =
>-2db.<BR>>=20
> The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it<BR>> on my =
>portable=20
> CD player with my AKG headphones.<BR>> You dont hear it on a =
>boombox or=20
> home stereo or car stereo.<BR>> The source material is not clipped =
>I am=20
> sure.<BR>> Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my =
>export=20
> up?<BR>> thx<BR>>=20
> b<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>> "Neil" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:IUOI@OIU.com">IUOI@OIU.com</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom =
>all the=20
> way in & see if you<BR>>>see a little spike on the waveform. =
>If=20
> that's the case, then<BR>>>you need to edit those tiny sections =
>somehow,=20
> if it's not, then<BR>>>start your processing with one plugin at =
>a time=20
> until you hear<BR>>>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if =
>it's a=20
> plugin).<BR>>><BR>>>They're happeneing in the same places =
>every=20
> time, right?<BR>>><BR>>>That's all I can think of - =
>Apart=20
> from the fact that you're<BR>>>absolutely psycho to be using =
>three L2's=20
> in a row on a piece of<BR>>>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps =
>clipping=20
> things that are<BR>>>already clipped, then clipping those =
>clipped clips=20
> one last<BR>>>time before it hits your=20
> ears?<BR>>><BR>>>Neil<BR>>><BR>>>"Brandon" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:a@a.com">a@a.com</A>> =
>wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>>No=20
> no Autotune.<BR>>>>Vox main chain is:<BR>>>>Waves EQ =
>
> (cutting =
>only)<BR>>>>WavesL2<BR>>>><BR>>>>Vox FX=20
> channel chain=20
> =
>is:<BR>>>>SIR<BR>>>>WavesL2<BR>>>><BR>>>=
>>Main=20
> Bus Chain is:<BR>>>>WavesEQ(cutting =
>only)<BR>>>>Waves=20
> =
>L2<BR>>>><BR>>>>thx<BR>>>>b<BR>>>><BR=
>>>>>EK=20
> Sound <<A href=3D"mailto:askme@nospam.com">askme@nospam.com</A>> =
>
> wrote:<BR>>>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? =
>I have=20
> found that plug to have<BR>><BR>>>>>NO=20
> =
>headroom...<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>David.<BR>>>>=
>><BR>>>>>Brandon=20
> wrote:<BR>>>>>>=20
> All,<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>> I have finished =
>that mix=20
> I posted earlier.<BR>>>>>> I incorporated a few dbs on =
>the lead=20
> vox, a touch of the highs on =
>th<BR>>>guitars<BR>>>>>> and=20
> few other minor things.<BR>>>>>> No there is one major =
>thing=20
> that is annoying the <A href=3D"mailto:h@ll">h@ll</A> out of=20
> me.<BR>>>>>> I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s =
>I=20
> posted , but there is <BR>>>>>>=20
> noticable<BR>>>>>> distortion on the loud parts of the =
>lead=20
> vocal.<BR>>>>>> I dont hear these on my mixing monitors =
>during=20
> playback.<BR>>>>>> I thought it was the Antares Tube =
>plug which=20
> I removed completely. <BR>>>>>>=20
> That<BR>>>>was<BR>>>>>> not it. I finally thru =
>a=20
> limiter on the lead vox channel and also=20
> on<BR>>>the<BR>>>>>> vox FX channel just for good =
>
> measure. I backed off of the threshold<BR>>=20
> on<BR>>>>the<BR>>>>>> main bus limiter by 2 =
>db. It was=20
> set at -18 I took it to -16. You=20
> can<BR>>>>see<BR>>>>>> my mix was not very =
>hot. This=20
> got rid of 75% of the problem. Now I <BR>>>>>>=20
> hear<BR>>>>little<BR>>>>>> artifacts on the =
>lead vox=20
> that sound like processing artifacts to me.<BR>>>>I=20
> am<BR>>>>>> wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not =
>wrapped.=20
> To mixdown I use<BR>>>the<BR>>>>>> EXPORT in =
>CUBASE SX3.=20
> Could it be somethng related to that method?=20
> Any<BR>>>>ideas?<BR>>>>>> Thanks=20
> B<BR>>>><BR>>><BR>> =
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86386 is a reply to message #86377] |
Sat, 09 June 2007 09:46 |
Nil
Messages: 245
Registered: March 2007
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Senior Member |
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"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>
>Well it wasnt clipping. If I were to guess I would say
>it sounded more like a clocking issue or power supply issue.
>It was kind of a fuzzy, phasey distorted thing. I plugged in the headphones
>to the DAW and listened to the live feed. I was there. After stripping away
>one thing at a time I eventually got down to the unprocessed lead vox track
>and there it was. I dont know how I didnt hear this during tracking... Well
>I guess actually I do.. I wasnt listening thru headphones I was listening
>thru the monitors. I cant hear it in the monitors.Anyway I was able to grab
>the phrase from later in the trak and copy it over and that fixed it. This
>is very unsettling. I wonder if it is the tube in my mic...??? How would
>I go about finding that out?
Ummm... try a different mic?
At least that'll narrow it down to the particular mic, if not
the tube specifically.
Could even have been a little power spike or dip that caused
it, if it was a one-time thing (which it now sounds like... I
thought at first it was in several places along the track) if
you're not using a power conditioner of some kind, something
like that could easily happen. I have a power conditioner for
the computer & rack, but not one for the recording room where
the tube mics go, and I had the same thing happen once - just a
little teeny low-level "tick" that I didn't notice when
tracking & had to edit out later. That was with a tube mic,
as well. Coincidence? Perhaps. Power supply glitch? More
likely, methinks.
Frankly, with one-time shit like that, there's almost no way to
tell what caused it... unless you can duplicate it, you can't
diagnose it.
Neil
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86415 is a reply to message #86403] |
Sun, 10 June 2007 09:55 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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I don't think it's an "over", though - from the way he was
describing it. At first I thought he was talking about some
clipping that was happening at several places, but this is some
kind of one-time tiny little low-level noise... is that correct,
Brandon?
Like I said, if it's a one-time event, there might be no way to
diagnose what caused it... best thing I would suggest before
you go spend money on something you may not need (although a
power conditioner is never a bad idea), try & get it to
duplicate without guinea-pigging your next client to find it -
record yourself singing with the exact same setup... just sing
something/anything accapella for about 4-5 minutes & see if any
of the same kind of noises show up on the recorded track. If it
does, switch mics & do it again, then search for noises... if
they still show up, switch preamps & try it again & so on.
IOW, process of elimination... if the noises show up no matter
what part of the signal chain you switch out, then it could be
power, or clocking, or ???
But honestly, if this was one little noise that occurred over a
few hours worth of level-checking, tracking, and punching, etc,
I wouldn't even worry about it... seriously. It's just one of
those weird little things that's not worth sweating over unless
it shows up again.
Neil
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>Another trick is to always track with two mics/pres, one set a few db lower
>than the next. It's a simple proposition of copy/paste to fix overs that
way
>if you use the same mic/pre on both sides.
>
>AA
>
>
>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote in message news:466b3b16$1@linux...
>>
>> I am always hearing these types of things so I thnik in my case I should
>> try
>> to narrow it down.
>> I was really hoping this sort of thing would go away after moving to
>> Cubase....I
>> think a power conditioner would be a good start. If that doesnt fix it...
>> Crap I dont know.. My PS in my comp is brand new and plentiful. Motu and
>> Presonus are new. Mics hardly have any wear on them.
>> B
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>> Well it wasnt clipping. If I were to guess I would say
>>>> it sounded more like a clocking issue or power supply issue.
>>>> It was kind of a fuzzy, phasey distorted thing. I plugged in the
>>>> headphones
>>>> to the DAW and listened to the live feed. I was there. After stripping
>> away
>>>> one thing at a time I eventually got down to the unprocessed lead vox
>> track
>>>> and there it was. I dont know how I didnt hear this during tracking...
>> Well
>>>> I guess actually I do.. I wasnt listening thru headphones I was
>>>> listening
>>>> thru the monitors. I cant hear it in the monitors.Anyway I was able
to
>> grab
>>>> the phrase from later in the trak and copy it over and that fixed it.
>> This
>>>> is very unsettling. I wonder if it is the tube in my mic...??? How would
>>>> I go about finding that out?
>>>> thx again for everyones input.
>>>> b
>>>
>>>I've had this happen on vocals too (mostly on tracks I've been sent for
>>
>>>mixing). Most of the time it's a lip or back throat smack/croak that's
>>
>>>not that loud by itself but in the mix gets lifted out to sound like
>>>clipping. I don't think it's the mic... though some mics bring it out
>>>more. I wouldn't worry about it unless it happens a lot.
>>>
>>>Samplitude's Spectral Cleaner is a brilliant tool for fixing this sort
>>>of thing.
>>>
>>>Graham
>>
>
>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86423 is a reply to message #86415] |
Sun, 10 June 2007 12:59 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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Senior Member |
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Neil,
ok..
There was clipping at several different places..
That was fixed by backing off of the threshold on the L2
on the main bus.
After that was fixed I could then notice the artifacts on the first couple
phrases of the vox...the Mmmm's in the beginning and the phrase after it.
Seems to go away after that.
I am going to sweat it because if I wasnt lucky enough to have that same
phrase later in the song it would have been a bust.
Well Maybe not..there were other takes, but what if there wasn't??? :-0
I will try and duplicate the artifacts like you said.
I am always telling my friends "Why don't you record with me instead of ABC
Recording Studio?. I can give you the same quality, with better service,
etc..." and then this sh*t happens and it makes me not want to solicite work
cause I am afraid of embarassment. This doesnt happen to "pro studos" does
it?
Am I being too critical?
thx
b
"Neil" <OIUIU@IOU.com> wrote:
>
>I don't think it's an "over", though - from the way he was
>describing it. At first I thought he was talking about some
>clipping that was happening at several places, but this is some
>kind of one-time tiny little low-level noise... is that correct,
>Brandon?
>
>Like I said, if it's a one-time event, there might be no way to
>diagnose what caused it... best thing I would suggest before
>you go spend money on something you may not need (although a
>power conditioner is never a bad idea), try & get it to
>duplicate without guinea-pigging your next client to find it -
>record yourself singing with the exact same setup... just sing
>something/anything accapella for about 4-5 minutes & see if any
>of the same kind of noises show up on the recorded track. If it
>does, switch mics & do it again, then search for noises... if
>they still show up, switch preamps & try it again & so on.
>IOW, process of elimination... if the noises show up no matter
>what part of the signal chain you switch out, then it could be
>power, or clocking, or ???
>
>But honestly, if this was one little noise that occurred over a
>few hours worth of level-checking, tracking, and punching, etc,
>I wouldn't even worry about it... seriously. It's just one of
>those weird little things that's not worth sweating over unless
>it shows up again.
>
>Neil
>
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>Another trick is to always track with two mics/pres, one set a few db lower
>
>>than the next. It's a simple proposition of copy/paste to fix overs that
>way
>>if you use the same mic/pre on both sides.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote in message news:466b3b16$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I am always hearing these types of things so I thnik in my case I should
>
>>> try
>>> to narrow it down.
>>> I was really hoping this sort of thing would go away after moving to
>>> Cubase....I
>>> think a power conditioner would be a good start. If that doesnt fix it...
>>> Crap I dont know.. My PS in my comp is brand new and plentiful. Motu
and
>>> Presonus are new. Mics hardly have any wear on them.
>>> B
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>> Well it wasnt clipping. If I were to guess I would say
>>>>> it sounded more like a clocking issue or power supply issue.
>>>>> It was kind of a fuzzy, phasey distorted thing. I plugged in the
>>>>> headphones
>>>>> to the DAW and listened to the live feed. I was there. After stripping
>>> away
>>>>> one thing at a time I eventually got down to the unprocessed lead vox
>>> track
>>>>> and there it was. I dont know how I didnt hear this during tracking...
>>> Well
>>>>> I guess actually I do.. I wasnt listening thru headphones I was
>>>>> listening
>>>>> thru the monitors. I cant hear it in the monitors.Anyway I was able
>to
>>> grab
>>>>> the phrase from later in the trak and copy it over and that fixed it.
>>> This
>>>>> is very unsettling. I wonder if it is the tube in my mic...??? How
would
>>>>> I go about finding that out?
>>>>> thx again for everyones input.
>>>>> b
>>>>
>>>>I've had this happen on vocals too (mostly on tracks I've been sent for
>>>
>>>>mixing). Most of the time it's a lip or back throat smack/croak that's
>>>
>>>>not that loud by itself but in the mix gets lifted out to sound like
>>>>clipping. I don't think it's the mic... though some mics bring it out
>>>>more. I wouldn't worry about it unless it happens a lot.
>>>>
>>>>Samplitude's Spectral Cleaner is a brilliant tool for fixing this sort
>>>>of thing.
>>>>
>>>>Graham
>>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86430 is a reply to message #86423] |
Sun, 10 June 2007 17:14 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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Of course it happens in Pro Studios...only more so, because they're putting
through more work.
It just happens, don't know why, don''t know when......
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
0414 913 247
"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote in message news:466c5825$1@linux...
>
> Neil,
>
> ok..
> There was clipping at several different places..
> That was fixed by backing off of the threshold on the L2
> on the main bus.
>
> After that was fixed I could then notice the artifacts on the first couple
> phrases of the vox...the Mmmm's in the beginning and the phrase after it.
> Seems to go away after that.
>
> I am going to sweat it because if I wasnt lucky enough to have that same
> phrase later in the song it would have been a bust.
> Well Maybe not..there were other takes, but what if there wasn't??? :-0
>
> I will try and duplicate the artifacts like you said.
> I am always telling my friends "Why don't you record with me instead of
> ABC
> Recording Studio?. I can give you the same quality, with better service,
> etc..." and then this sh*t happens and it makes me not want to solicite
> work
> cause I am afraid of embarassment. This doesnt happen to "pro studos" does
> it?
> Am I being too critical?
> thx
> b
>
>
>
> "Neil" <OIUIU@IOU.com> wrote:
>>
>>I don't think it's an "over", though - from the way he was
>>describing it. At first I thought he was talking about some
>>clipping that was happening at several places, but this is some
>>kind of one-time tiny little low-level noise... is that correct,
>>Brandon?
>>
>>Like I said, if it's a one-time event, there might be no way to
>>diagnose what caused it... best thing I would suggest before
>>you go spend money on something you may not need (although a
>>power conditioner is never a bad idea), try & get it to
>>duplicate without guinea-pigging your next client to find it -
>>record yourself singing with the exact same setup... just sing
>>something/anything accapella for about 4-5 minutes & see if any
>>of the same kind of noises show up on the recorded track. If it
>>does, switch mics & do it again, then search for noises... if
>>they still show up, switch preamps & try it again & so on.
>>IOW, process of elimination... if the noises show up no matter
>>what part of the signal chain you switch out, then it could be
>>power, or clocking, or ???
>>
>>But honestly, if this was one little noise that occurred over a
>>few hours worth of level-checking, tracking, and punching, etc,
>>I wouldn't even worry about it... seriously. It's just one of
>>those weird little things that's not worth sweating over unless
>>it shows up again.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Another trick is to always track with two mics/pres, one set a few db
>>>lower
>>
>>>than the next. It's a simple proposition of copy/paste to fix overs that
>>way
>>>if you use the same mic/pre on both sides.
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote in message news:466b3b16$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I am always hearing these types of things so I thnik in my case I
>>>> should
>>
>>>> try
>>>> to narrow it down.
>>>> I was really hoping this sort of thing would go away after moving to
>
>>>> Cubase....I
>>>> think a power conditioner would be a good start. If that doesnt fix
>>>> it...
>>>> Crap I dont know.. My PS in my comp is brand new and plentiful. Motu
> and
>>>> Presonus are new. Mics hardly have any wear on them.
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>> Well it wasnt clipping. If I were to guess I would say
>>>>>> it sounded more like a clocking issue or power supply issue.
>>>>>> It was kind of a fuzzy, phasey distorted thing. I plugged in the
>>>>>> headphones
>>>>>> to the DAW and listened to the live feed. I was there. After
>>>>>> stripping
>>>> away
>>>>>> one thing at a time I eventually got down to the unprocessed lead vox
>>>> track
>>>>>> and there it was. I dont know how I didnt hear this during
>>>>>> tracking...
>>>> Well
>>>>>> I guess actually I do.. I wasnt listening thru headphones I was
>>>>>> listening
>>>>>> thru the monitors. I cant hear it in the monitors.Anyway I was able
>>to
>>>> grab
>>>>>> the phrase from later in the trak and copy it over and that fixed it.
>>>> This
>>>>>> is very unsettling. I wonder if it is the tube in my mic...??? How
> would
>>>>>> I go about finding that out?
>>>>>> thx again for everyones input.
>>>>>> b
>>>>>
>>>>>I've had this happen on vocals too (mostly on tracks I've been sent for
>>>>
>>>>>mixing). Most of the time it's a lip or back throat smack/croak
>>>>>that's
>>>>
>>>>>not that loud by itself but in the mix gets lifted out to sound like
>>>>>clipping. I don't think it's the mic... though some mics bring it out
>>>>>more. I wouldn't worry about it unless it happens a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>>Samplitude's Spectral Cleaner is a brilliant tool for fixing this sort
>>>>>of thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Graham
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86459 is a reply to message #86423] |
Mon, 11 June 2007 09:38 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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Senior Member |
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"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote:
>
>Neil,
>
>ok..
>There was clipping at several different places..
>That was fixed by backing off of the threshold on the L2
>on the main bus.
Ahhhh... so you WERE clipping with the infinite chain of
L2's!!! lol
>After that was fixed I could then notice the artifacts on the
>first couple phrases of the vox...the Mmmm's in the beginning
>and the phrase after it. Seems to go away after that.
OK, so those are two entirely different issues, then.
>I am going to sweat it because if I wasnt lucky enough to have
>that same phrase later in the song it would have been a bust.
>Well Maybe not..there were other takes, but what if there
>wasn't??? :-0
What if lightning struck your house that day & fried all your
shit? What if the singer had a heart attack right in the middle
of the 2nd verse? What if? What if? Look, you got lucky & it all
worked out, don't what if yourself to death over it & just
monitor more carefully in the future, do that if you do get some
little noise creeping in you'll be more likely to catch it at
the time.
>I will try and duplicate the artifacts like you said.
>I am always telling my friends "Why don't you record with me
>instead of ABC Recording Studio?. I can give you the same
>quality, with better service,
>etc..." and then this sh*t happens and it makes me not want to >solicite
work cause I am afraid of embarassment. This doesnt
>happen to "pro studos" does it?
See what Martin said... bad stuff/weird stuff happens at every
level of every endeavor, no matter what industry you're talking
about.
>Am I being too critical?
Yes and no. Obviously you can't have clicks, ticks, and pops
going on & expect to produce a quality product of any kind, but
like I said, if it was a one-time thing & you can't reproduce
it, don't oversweat the incidental stuff... it may never happen
again (but I can probably guarantee you something ELSE
will! :) ). You fixed the track, lesson learned - be more
careful to review things while the band or artist is still
there, so that anything like that can be fixed with a punch or a
re-do... and no, don't be embarrased to say: "Hey, there's this
little noise... hear it? Let's go over that section one more
time so we can get rid of that" They'll realize you care about
their efforts & their product.
Neil
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86593 is a reply to message #86299] |
Thu, 14 June 2007 06:24 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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Senior Member |
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I bought one of those cheapo CD players at WalMart and thought I was losing
my mind when I used it for referencing CD's. The converters were soooooo bad
that "everything" I played on it sucked. Try playing back some other program
material and check for suckage........it may be "it" and not "you" .
Deej
"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote in message news:46689f25$1@linux...
>
> Neil,
>
> I just put those L2s to be sure nothing was clipping.
> The thresholds are at Zero and the output is -2db.
> The problem is I dont hear it on my system. I hear it
> on my portable CD player with my AKG headphones.
> You dont hear it on a boombox or home stereo or car stereo.
> The source material is not clipped I am sure.
> Could this be a buffer setting that is screwing my export up?
> thx
> b
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Neil" <IUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
>>
>>Isolate one of the artifacts & zoom all the way in & see if you
>>see a little spike on the waveform. If that's the case, then
>>you need to edit those tiny sections somehow, if it's not, then
>>start your processing with one plugin at a time until you hear
>>it, then you'll know what's causing it (if it's a plugin).
>>
>>They're happeneing in the same places every time, right?
>>
>>That's all I can think of - Apart from the fact that you're
>>absolutely psycho to be using three L2's in a row on a piece of
>>this nature - lol! Are you perhaps clipping things that are
>>already clipped, then clipping those clipped clips one last
>>time before it hits your ears?
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>"Brandon" <a@a.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>No no Autotune.
>>>Vox main chain is:
>>>Waves EQ (cutting only)
>>>WavesL2
>>>
>>>Vox FX channel chain is:
>>>SIR
>>>WavesL2
>>>
>>>Main Bus Chain is:
>>>WavesEQ(cutting only)
>>>Waves L2
>>>
>>>thx
>>>b
>>>
>>>EK Sound <askme@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>Do you have Autotune on the lead vox? I have found that plug to have
>
>>>>NO headroom...
>>>>
>>>>David.
>>>>
>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have finished that mix I posted earlier.
>>>>> I incorporated a few dbs on the lead vox, a touch of the highs on th
>>guitars
>>>>> and few other minor things.
>>>>> No there is one major thing that is annoying the h@ll out of me.
>>>>> I dont know if you can hear it on the MP3s I posted , but there is
>>>>> noticable
>>>>> distortion on the loud parts of the lead vocal.
>>>>> I dont hear these on my mixing monitors during playback.
>>>>> I thought it was the Antares Tube plug which I removed completely.
>>>>> That
>>>was
>>>>> not it. I finally thru a limiter on the lead vox channel and also on
>>the
>>>>> vox FX channel just for good measure. I backed off of the threshold
> on
>>>the
>>>>> main bus limiter by 2 db. It was set at -18 I took it to -16. You can
>>>see
>>>>> my mix was not very hot. This got rid of 75% of the problem. Now I
>>>>> hear
>>>little
>>>>> artifacts on the lead vox that sound like processing artifacts to me.
>>>I am
>>>>> wondering if SIR is doing this?? It is not wrapped. To mixdown I use
>>the
>>>>> EXPORT in CUBASE SX3. Could it be somethng related to that method? Any
>>>ideas?
>>>>> Thanks B
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86595 is a reply to message #86423] |
Thu, 14 June 2007 06:34 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
|
Senior Member |
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Some major suckage happens in "pro" studios........and I mean
"major".......and some of them on't give a major **** about it either. Don;t
let this get you down man. It's good that you care. Keep learning. One thing
I've learned about tracking to Cubase and my RME converters is that the
system seems to behave very differently from Paris and for whatever reason,
I have more clipping (and other strangeness) issues. for some reason, Paris
seemed to be more forgiving while tracking (or I just knew my calibration
levels a bit better relative to certain preamp gain setting that I used
regulary enough to be familiar with that didn't work the same with the RME
converters)
Deej
"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote in message news:466c5825$1@linux...
>
> Neil,
>
> ok..
> There was clipping at several different places..
> That was fixed by backing off of the threshold on the L2
> on the main bus.
>
> After that was fixed I could then notice the artifacts on the first couple
> phrases of the vox...the Mmmm's in the beginning and the phrase after it.
> Seems to go away after that.
>
> I am going to sweat it because if I wasnt lucky enough to have that same
> phrase later in the song it would have been a bust.
> Well Maybe not..there were other takes, but what if there wasn't??? :-0
>
> I will try and duplicate the artifacts like you said.
> I am always telling my friends "Why don't you record with me instead of
> ABC
> Recording Studio?. I can give you the same quality, with better service,
> etc..." and then this sh*t happens and it makes me not want to solicite
> work
> cause I am afraid of embarassment. This doesnt happen to "pro studos" does
> it?
> Am I being too critical?
> thx
> b
>
>
>
> "Neil" <OIUIU@IOU.com> wrote:
>>
>>I don't think it's an "over", though - from the way he was
>>describing it. At first I thought he was talking about some
>>clipping that was happening at several places, but this is some
>>kind of one-time tiny little low-level noise... is that correct,
>>Brandon?
>>
>>Like I said, if it's a one-time event, there might be no way to
>>diagnose what caused it... best thing I would suggest before
>>you go spend money on something you may not need (although a
>>power conditioner is never a bad idea), try & get it to
>>duplicate without guinea-pigging your next client to find it -
>>record yourself singing with the exact same setup... just sing
>>something/anything accapella for about 4-5 minutes & see if any
>>of the same kind of noises show up on the recorded track. If it
>>does, switch mics & do it again, then search for noises... if
>>they still show up, switch preamps & try it again & so on.
>>IOW, process of elimination... if the noises show up no matter
>>what part of the signal chain you switch out, then it could be
>>power, or clocking, or ???
>>
>>But honestly, if this was one little noise that occurred over a
>>few hours worth of level-checking, tracking, and punching, etc,
>>I wouldn't even worry about it... seriously. It's just one of
>>those weird little things that's not worth sweating over unless
>>it shows up again.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Another trick is to always track with two mics/pres, one set a few db
>>>lower
>>
>>>than the next. It's a simple proposition of copy/paste to fix overs that
>>way
>>>if you use the same mic/pre on both sides.
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote in message news:466b3b16$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I am always hearing these types of things so I thnik in my case I
>>>> should
>>
>>>> try
>>>> to narrow it down.
>>>> I was really hoping this sort of thing would go away after moving to
>
>>>> Cubase....I
>>>> think a power conditioner would be a good start. If that doesnt fix
>>>> it...
>>>> Crap I dont know.. My PS in my comp is brand new and plentiful. Motu
> and
>>>> Presonus are new. Mics hardly have any wear on them.
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>> Well it wasnt clipping. If I were to guess I would say
>>>>>> it sounded more like a clocking issue or power supply issue.
>>>>>> It was kind of a fuzzy, phasey distorted thing. I plugged in the
>>>>>> headphones
>>>>>> to the DAW and listened to the live feed. I was there. After
>>>>>> stripping
>>>> away
>>>>>> one thing at a time I eventually got down to the unprocessed lead vox
>>>> track
>>>>>> and there it was. I dont know how I didnt hear this during
>>>>>> tracking...
>>>> Well
>>>>>> I guess actually I do.. I wasnt listening thru headphones I was
>>>>>> listening
>>>>>> thru the monitors. I cant hear it in the monitors.Anyway I was able
>>to
>>>> grab
>>>>>> the phrase from later in the trak and copy it over and that fixed it.
>>>> This
>>>>>> is very unsettling. I wonder if it is the tube in my mic...??? How
> would
>>>>>> I go about finding that out?
>>>>>> thx again for everyones input.
>>>>>> b
>>>>>
>>>>>I've had this happen on vocals too (mostly on tracks I've been sent for
>>>>
>>>>>mixing). Most of the time it's a lip or back throat smack/croak
>>>>>that's
>>>>
>>>>>not that loud by itself but in the mix gets lifted out to sound like
>>>>>clipping. I don't think it's the mic... though some mics bring it out
>>>>>more. I wouldn't worry about it unless it happens a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>>Samplitude's Spectral Cleaner is a brilliant tool for fixing this sort
>>>>>of thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Graham
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Artifacts [message #86599 is a reply to message #86595] |
Thu, 14 June 2007 07:30 |
brandon[2]
Messages: 380
Registered: June 2006
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Senior Member |
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That's reassuring... I think.....
--=20
Thanks,
Brandon=20
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46714584$1@linux...
Some major suckage happens in "pro" studios........and I mean=20
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regulary enough to be familiar with that didn't work the same with the =
RME=20
converters)
Deej
"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote in message news:466c5825$1@linux...
>
> Neil,
>
> ok..
> There was clipping at several different places..
> That was fixed by backing off of the threshold on the L2
> on the main bus.
>
> After that was fixed I could then notice the artifacts on the first =
couple
> phrases of the vox...the Mmmm's in the beginning and the phrase =
after it.
> Seems to go away after that.
>
> I am going to sweat it because if I wasnt lucky enough to have that =
same
> phrase later in the song it would have been a bust.
> Well Maybe not..there were other takes, but what if there wasn't??? =
:-0
>
> I will try and duplicate the artifacts like you said.
> I am always telling my friends "Why don't you record with me instead =
of=20
> ABC
> Recording Studio?. I can give you the same quality, with better =
service,
> etc..." and then this sh*t happens and it makes me not want to =
solicite=20
> work
> cause I am afraid of embarassment. This doesnt happen to "pro =
studos" does
> it?
> Am I being too critical?
> thx
> b
>
>
>
> "Neil" <OIUIU@IOU.com> wrote:
>>
>>I don't think it's an "over", though - from the way he was
>>describing it. At first I thought he was talking about some
>>clipping that was happening at several places, but this is some
>>kind of one-time tiny little low-level noise... is that correct,
>>Brandon?
>>
>>Like I said, if it's a one-time event, there might be no way to
>>diagnose what caused it... best thing I would suggest before
>>you go spend money on something you may not need (although a
>>power conditioner is never a bad idea), try & get it to
>>duplicate without guinea-pigging your next client to find it -
>>record yourself singing with the exact same setup... just sing
>>something/anything accapella for about 4-5 minutes & see if any
>>of the same kind of noises show up on the recorded track. If it
>>does, switch mics & do it again, then search for noises... if
>>they still show up, switch preamps & try it again & so on.
>>IOW, process of elimination... if the noises show up no matter
>>what part of the signal chain you switch out, then it could be
>>power, or clocking, or ???
>>
>>But honestly, if this was one little noise that occurred over a
>>few hours worth of level-checking, tracking, and punching, etc,
>>I wouldn't even worry about it... seriously. It's just one of
>>those weird little things that's not worth sweating over unless
>>it shows up again.
>>
>>Neil
>>
>>
>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>Another trick is to always track with two mics/pres, one set a few =
db=20
>>>lower
>>
>>>than the next. It's a simple proposition of copy/paste to fix overs =
that
>>way
>>>if you use the same mic/pre on both sides.
>>>
>>>AA
>>>
>>>
>>>"Brandon" <A@A.com> wrote in message news:466b3b16$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I am always hearing these types of things so I thnik in my case I =
>>>> should
>>
>>>> try
>>>> to narrow it down.
>>>> I was really hoping this sort of thing would go away after moving =
to
>
>>>> Cubase....I
>>>> think a power conditioner would be a good start. If that doesnt =
fix=20
>>>> it...
>>>> Crap I dont know.. My PS in my comp is brand new and plentiful. =
Motu
> and
>>>> Presonus are new. Mics hardly have any wear on them.
>>>> B
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Graham Duncan <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote:
>>>>>Brandon wrote:
>>>>>> Well it wasnt clipping. If I were to guess I would say
>>>>>> it sounded more like a clocking issue or power supply issue.
>>>>>> It was kind of a fuzzy, phasey distorted thing. I plugged in =
the
>>>>>> headphones
>>>>>> to the DAW and listened to the live feed. I was there. After=20
>>>>>> stripping
>>>> away
>>>>>> one thing at a time I eventually got down to the unprocessed =
lead vox
>>>> track
>>>>>> and there it was. I dont know how I didnt hear this during=20
>>>>>> tracking...
>>>> Well
>>>>>> I guess actually I do.. I wasnt listening thru headphones I was
>>>>>> listening
>>>>>> thru the monitors. I cant hear it in the monitors.Anyway I was =
able
>>to
>>>> grab
>>>>>> the phrase from later in the trak and copy it over and that =
fixed it.
>>>> This
>>>>>> is very unsettling. I wonder if it is the tube in my mic...??? =
How
> would
>>>>>> I go about finding that out?
>>>>>> thx again for everyones input.
>>>>>> b
>>>>>
>>>>>I've had this happen on vocals too (mostly on tracks I've been =
sent for
>>>>
>>>>>mixing). Most of the time it's a lip or back throat smack/croak=20
>>>>>that's
>>>>
>>>>>not that loud by itself but in the mix gets lifted out to sound =
like
>>>>>clipping. I don't think it's the mic... though some mics bring =
it out
>>>>>more. I wouldn't worry about it unless it happens a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>>Samplitude's Spectral Cleaner is a brilliant tool for fixing this =
sort
>>>>>of thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>Graham
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>That's reassuring... I think.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><BR>-- <BR>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Brandon </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>"DJ" <<A=20
href=3D"http://www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com">www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <A =
href=3D"news:46714584$1@linux">news:46714584$1@linux</A>...</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">Some=20
major suckage happens in "pro" studios........and I mean =
<BR>"major".......and=20
some of them on't give a major **** about it either. Don;t <BR>let =
this get=20
you down man. It's good that you care. Keep learning. One thing =
<BR>I've=20
learned about tracking to Cubase and my RME converters is that the =
<BR>system=20
seems to behave very differently from Paris and for whatever reason, =
<BR>I=20
have more clipping (and other strangeness) issues. for some reason, =
Paris=20
<BR>seemed to be more forgiving while tracking (or I just knew my =
calibration=20
<BR>levels a bit better relative to certain preamp gain setting that I =
used=20
<BR>regulary enough to be familiar with that didn't work the same with =
the RME=20
<BR>converters)<BR><BR>Deej<BR><BR><BR>"Brandon" <<A=20
href=3D"mailto:A@A.com">A@A.com</A>> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:466c5825$1@linux">news:466c5825$1@linux</A>...<BR>><BR>&g=
t;=20
Neil,<BR>><BR>> ok..<BR>> There was clipping at several =
different=20
places..<BR>> That was fixed by backing off of the threshold on the =
L2<BR>> on the main bus.<BR>><BR>> After that was fixed I =
could then=20
notice the artifacts on the first couple<BR>> phrases of the =
vox...the=20
Mmmm's in the beginning and the phrase after it.<BR>> Seems to go =
away=20
after that.<BR>><BR>> I am going to sweat it because if I wasnt =
lucky=20
enough to have that same<BR>> phrase later in the song it would =
have been a=20
bust.<BR>> Well Maybe not..there were other takes, but what if =
there=20
wasn't??? :-0<BR>><BR>> I will try and duplicate the artifacts =
like you=20
said.<BR>> I am always telling my friends "Why don't you record =
with me=20
instead of <BR>> ABC<BR>> Recording Studio?. I can give you the =
same=20
quality, with better service,<BR>> etc..." and then this sh*t =
happens and=20
it makes me not want to solicite <BR>> work<BR>> cause I am =
afraid of=20
embarassment. This doesnt happen to "pro studos" does<BR>> =
it?<BR>> Am I=20
being too critical?<BR>> thx<BR>> =
b<BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>=20
"Neil" <<A href=3D"mailto:OIUIU@IOU.com">OIUIU@IOU.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>><BR>>>I don't think it's an "over", though - =
from the=20
way he was<BR>>>describing it. At first I thought he was talking =
about=20
some<BR>>>clipping that was happening at several places, but =
this is=20
some<BR>>>kind of one-time tiny little low-level noise... is =
that=20
correct,<BR>>>Brandon?<BR>>> <BR>>>Like I said, if =
it's a=20
one-time event, there might be no way to<BR>>>diagnose what =
caused it...=20
best thing I would suggest before<BR>>>you go spend money on =
something=20
you may not need (although a<BR>>>power conditioner is never a =
bad=20
idea), try & get it to<BR>>>duplicate without guinea-pigging =
your=20
next client to find it -<BR>>>record yourself singing with the =
exact=20
same setup... just sing<BR>>>something/anything accapella for =
about 4-5=20
minutes & see if any<BR>>>of the same kind of noises show up =
on the=20
recorded track. If it<BR>>>does, switch mics & do it again, =
then=20
search for noises... if<BR>>>they still show up, switch preamps =
&=20
try it again & so on.<BR>>>IOW, process of elimination... if =
the=20
noises show up no matter<BR>>>what part of the signal chain you =
switch=20
out, then it could be<BR>>>power, or clocking, or=20
???<BR>>><BR>>>But honestly, if this was one little noise =
that=20
occurred over a<BR>>>few hours worth of level-checking, =
tracking, and=20
punching, etc,<BR>>>I wouldn't even worry about it... seriously. =
It's=20
just one of<BR>>>those weird little things that's not worth =
sweating=20
over unless<BR>>>it shows up=20
=
again.<BR>>><BR>>>Neil<BR>>> <BR>>><BR>>>"Aa=
ron=20
Allen" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:know-spam@not_here.dude">know-spam@not_here.dude</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>>Another trick is to always track with two =
mics/pres, one=20
set a few db <BR>>>>lower<BR>>><BR >>>>than the =
next.=20
It's a simple proposition of copy/paste to fix overs=20
that<BR>>>way<BR>>>>if you use the same mic/pre on both =
=
sides.<BR>>>><BR>>>>AA <BR>>>><BR>>>><=
BR>>>>"Brandon"=20
<<A href=3D"mailto:A@A.com">A@A.com</A>> wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:466b3b16$1@linux">news:466b3b16$1@linux</A>...<BR>>>&g=
t;><BR>>>>>=20
I am always hearing these types of things so I thnik in my case I=20
<BR>>>>> should<BR>>><BR>>>>>=20
try<BR>>>>> to narrow it down.<BR>>>>> I was =
really=20
hoping this sort of thing would go away after moving=20
to<BR>><BR>>>>> Cubase....I<BR>>>>> think a =
power=20
conditioner would be a good start. If that doesnt fix =
<BR>>>>>=20
it...<BR>>>>> Crap I dont know.. My PS in my comp is brand =
new and=20
plentiful. Motu<BR>> and<BR>>>>> Presonus are new. Mics =
hardly=20
have any wear on them.<BR>>>>>=20
=
B<BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>>><BR>>>=
>><BR>>>>><BR>>>>> <BR>>>>><BR>&=
gt;>>>=20
Graham Duncan <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:graham@grahamduncan.com">graham@grahamduncan.com</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>>>>>>Brandon =
wrote:<BR>>>>>>> Well=20
it wasnt clipping. If I were to guess I would =
say<BR>>>>>>>=20
it sounded more like a clocking issue or power supply=20
issue.<BR>>>>>>> It was kind of a fuzzy, phasey =
distorted=20
thing. I plugged in the<BR>>>>>>>=20
headphones<BR>>>>>>> to the DAW and listened to the =
live=20
feed. I was there. After <BR>>>>>>>=20
stripping<BR>>>>> away<BR>>>>>>> one =
thing at a=20
time I eventually got down to the unprocessed lead =
vox<BR>>>>>=20
track<BR>>>>>>> and there it was. I dont know how I =
didnt=20
hear this during <BR>>>>>>> =
tracking...<BR>>>>>=20
Well<BR>>>>>>> I guess actually I do.. I wasnt =
listening=20
thru headphones I was<BR>>>>>>>=20
listening<BR>>>>>>> thru the monitors. I cant hear =
it in the=20
monitors.Anyway I was able<BR>>>to<BR>>>>>=20
grab<BR>>>>>>> the phrase from later in the trak and =
copy it=20
over and that fixed it.<BR>>>>> =
This<BR>>>>>>>=20
is very unsettling. I wonder if it is the tube in my mic...??? =
How<BR>>=20
would<BR>>>>>>> I go about finding that=20
out?<BR>>>>>>> thx again for everyones=20
input.<BR>>>>>>>=20
b<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>I've had this happen =
on=20
vocals too (mostly on tracks I've been sent=20
for<BR>>>>><BR>>>>>>mixing). Most of =
the time=20
it's a lip or back throat smack/croak=20
=
<BR>>>>>>that's<BR>>>>> <BR>>>>>>=
;not=20
that loud by itself but in the mix gets lifted out to sound=20
like<BR>>>>>>clipping. I don't think it's the =
mic...=20
though some mics bring it out<BR>>>>>>more. I =
wouldn't=20
worry about it unless it happens a=20
lot.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>Samplitude's =
Spectral=20
Cleaner is a brilliant tool for fixing this =
sort<BR>>>>>>of=20
=
thing.<BR>>>>>><BR>>>>>>Graham <BR>>>&=
gt;><BR>>>><BR>>>> <BR>>><BR>>=20
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