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| Re: OT: The future of the net when you type google [message #78734 is a reply to message #78731] |
Sun, 21 January 2007 00:45   |
LaMont
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google is Microsod's main objective and target. Google has way too much money
to be intimidated by the Microsofts and the Apples of the world.
They are the darling of wall street, being that they amed wall street all
too much money.
Google is a train with no brakes.. It is a fact, that Google will control
the Internet.(Gmail, Google earth, IM, Calendaring, SMS....Rumor, Mozilla
will be aquirred by Google as well, giving them a very very very cool browser
to go toe to toe with Iternet Explorer.. And , thus do to Microsoft, what
Microsoft did to Netscape.. Give all away or seemingly for free. :) Reaping
and Sowing..
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
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>Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
>company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
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>Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well? Could
>happen.
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| Re: OT: The future of the net when you type google [message #78741 is a reply to message #78734] |
Sun, 21 January 2007 08:23 |
TCB
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Read the Mozilla license, Google can't 'buy' it. In fact, the Firefox folks
are getting a bit skittish about how closely they're working with google.
In general, though, I agree. Google has simply done an end around on the
OS/hardware vendors. Next up, cable/content providers. Personally I prefer
google to all of the alternatives. As Scott McNealy famously said, 'You have
no privacy. Get over it.' In that world I trust Google far, far more than
I do MSoft or Apple or my ISP, all of whom have shown no interest in protecting
my privacy.
TCB
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>google is Microsod's main objective and target. Google has way too much
money
>to be intimidated by the Microsofts and the Apples of the world.
>
>They are the darling of wall street, being that they amed wall street all
>too much money.
>
>Google is a train with no brakes.. It is a fact, that Google will control
>the Internet.(Gmail, Google earth, IM, Calendaring, SMS....Rumor, Mozilla
>will be aquirred by Google as well, giving them a very very very cool browser
>to go toe to toe with Iternet Explorer.. And , thus do to Microsoft, what
>Microsoft did to Netscape.. Give all away or seemingly for free. :) Reaping
>and Sowing..
>Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
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>>Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
>>company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
>>
>>Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well? Could
>>happen.
>>
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| Re: OT: The future of the net when you type google [message #78742 is a reply to message #78741] |
Sun, 21 January 2007 08:14 |
Dedric Terry
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I don't think I trust any company worth 3 trillion or so to have my best
interests at heart, esp. when their business model is to end around
antitrust laws to "own" all media transmission outlets by forcing smaller
companies to choose between them and bankruptcy.
Rupert Murdoch should probably watch his back as well.
You are right, Google is a train with no breaks... with the internet using
people of this world tied to the stop barrier at the end of the line. In
the end, we are the ones that pay the most for any company's greed.
Dedric
On 1/21/07 9:23 AM, in article 45b3858f$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
wrote:
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> Read the Mozilla license, Google can't 'buy' it. In fact, the Firefox folks
> are getting a bit skittish about how closely they're working with google.
>
>
> In general, though, I agree. Google has simply done an end around on the
> OS/hardware vendors. Next up, cable/content providers. Personally I prefer
> google to all of the alternatives. As Scott McNealy famously said, 'You have
> no privacy. Get over it.' In that world I trust Google far, far more than
> I do MSoft or Apple or my ISP, all of whom have shown no interest in
> protecting
> my privacy.
>
> TCB
>
> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>> google is Microsod's main objective and target. Google has way too much
> money
>> to be intimidated by the Microsofts and the Apples of the world.
>>
>> They are the darling of wall street, being that they amed wall street all
>> too much money.
>>
>> Google is a train with no brakes.. It is a fact, that Google will control
>> the Internet.(Gmail, Google earth, IM, Calendaring, SMS....Rumor, Mozilla
>> will be aquirred by Google as well, giving them a very very very cool browser
>> to go toe to toe with Iternet Explorer.. And , thus do to Microsoft, what
>> Microsoft did to Netscape.. Give all away or seemingly for free. :) Reaping
>> and Sowing..
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
>>>
>>> Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
>>> company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
>>>
>>> Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well? Could
>>> happen.
>>>
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| Re: OT: The future of the net when you type google [message #78743 is a reply to message #78742] |
Sun, 21 January 2007 09:41 |
chuck duffy
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It's interesting how things just spring up on google, virtually un-announced.
Did you guys notice that they have imaged the entire patent database INCLUDING
ARTWORK with a ridiculously simple interface? The USPTO couldn't get it
done :-) I found and printed 10 of my grandfathers patents in approximately
5 minutes. Searchable content is what people want, and it takes enormous
computing power and storage to get it done. I think that's what the datacenters
are really about.
Chuck
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>I don't think I trust any company worth 3 trillion or so to have my best
>interests at heart, esp. when their business model is to end around
>antitrust laws to "own" all media transmission outlets by forcing smaller
>companies to choose between them and bankruptcy.
>
>Rupert Murdoch should probably watch his back as well.
>
>You are right, Google is a train with no breaks... with the internet using
>people of this world tied to the stop barrier at the end of the line. In
>the end, we are the ones that pay the most for any company's greed.
>
>Dedric
>
>On 1/21/07 9:23 AM, in article 45b3858f$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>wrote:
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>>
>> Read the Mozilla license, Google can't 'buy' it. In fact, the Firefox
folks
>> are getting a bit skittish about how closely they're working with google.
>>
>>
>> In general, though, I agree. Google has simply done an end around on the
>> OS/hardware vendors. Next up, cable/content providers. Personally I prefer
>> google to all of the alternatives. As Scott McNealy famously said, 'You
have
>> no privacy. Get over it.' In that world I trust Google far, far more than
>> I do MSoft or Apple or my ISP, all of whom have shown no interest in
>> protecting
>> my privacy.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> google is Microsod's main objective and target. Google has way too much
>> money
>>> to be intimidated by the Microsofts and the Apples of the world.
>>>
>>> They are the darling of wall street, being that they amed wall street
all
>>> too much money.
>>>
>>> Google is a train with no brakes.. It is a fact, that Google will control
>>> the Internet.(Gmail, Google earth, IM, Calendaring, SMS....Rumor, Mozilla
>>> will be aquirred by Google as well, giving them a very very very cool
browser
>>> to go toe to toe with Iternet Explorer.. And , thus do to Microsoft,
what
>>> Microsoft did to Netscape.. Give all away or seemingly for free. :) Reaping
>>> and Sowing..
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
>>>>
>>>> Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
>>>> company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
>>>>
>>>> Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well?
Could
>>>> happen.
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: OT: The future of the net when you type google [message #78772 is a reply to message #78769] |
Sun, 21 January 2007 21:45 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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I don't think that model is sustainable. But even so, the only real
protection artists and content producers have is self sacrifice - e.g. no
one produces if no one will be paying for it.
Of course that's a catch 22 for us, and no big loss for the Googles of the
world.
But it still costs money to produce quality content and that won't change
much as long as the buying public wants quality.
Basically the advantage, if there is one, that artists have, is independent
organization. The downside is that if Google controls the bandwidth, as
some analyst predicted of AT&T and other large companies, they could shut
out independent content all together with exorbitant fees, even forcing
artists to pay to have their content sold by a content provider (with no
return but name recognition) - in essence blackmailing the human desire to
be "famous" or successful. Only large studios and record labels (after this
balances out once again) would have the resources to promote artists and
movies (i.e. pay Google), so the indie world will once again become a desert
of guitar playing street corner musicians, and home movie producers hawking
their art anywhere but the net. And this internet, once an information
superhighway and free exchange of ideas, would turn into a corporate
broadcast monopoly sold only to the highest bidder. At that point, we might
not even have 3 major networks to choose from anymore.
Maybe that's wildly pessimistic, but any other model would require an
altruistic mentality in the leadership at Google, at many levels, and for
many many years to come. I have yet to see a corporate CEO with that
mentality in any industry outside of Habitat for Humanity. We have become a
country of bottom lines and profit margins, regardless of the longterm, or
even midterm cost - make a quick buck and get out rich enough that your
customers' or even your country's future is irrelevant to you.
It would take a miracle, or something on the other/bad end of the spectrum
to change that now. Gee, I'm mister optimistic tonight.
Dedric
On 1/21/07 10:35 PM, in article 45b43f08$1@linux, "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com>
wrote:
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> "David L" <david@revealaudio.com> wrote:
>> Wow. I just went to Google and tried the patent search feature. Thanks,
>> Chuck.
>>
>> I've been following a little bit on the iPhone and the trend toward music
>> distribution by downloads, mobile phones being the newest vehicle. Is it
>> simplistic of me to think that content made available for download over
>> mobile networks can be controlled better than content available over the
>> internet? And looking into the future a bit, that mobile network providers
>> are the new distribution channels for entertainment corporations?
>
> Mobile or web, this is the problem right now: Content is
> so ubiquitouts & so easily obtainable, that it's becoming
> worthless - whether it's a movie or a TV show or a song or an
> album... I don't see how a business model where the producers
> of the content (Google is essentially robbing every source of
> content, when you think about it) don't get paid for it can be
> sustainable.
>
> Neil
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| Re: OT: The future of the net when you type google [message #78795 is a reply to message #78742] |
Mon, 22 January 2007 08:34 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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I don't think Google is especially greedy. They are a publicly traded company,
their job is to make money for their shareholders, which they've done quite
well. If smaller companies can't compete and Google cleans their clocks by
providing better services, and does that legally, that's not greed that's
good business.
TCB
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>I don't think I trust any company worth 3 trillion or so to have my best
>interests at heart, esp. when their business model is to end around
>antitrust laws to "own" all media transmission outlets by forcing smaller
>companies to choose between them and bankruptcy.
>
>Rupert Murdoch should probably watch his back as well.
>
>You are right, Google is a train with no breaks... with the internet using
>people of this world tied to the stop barrier at the end of the line. In
>the end, we are the ones that pay the most for any company's greed.
>
>Dedric
>
>On 1/21/07 9:23 AM, in article 45b3858f$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> Read the Mozilla license, Google can't 'buy' it. In fact, the Firefox
folks
>> are getting a bit skittish about how closely they're working with google.
>>
>>
>> In general, though, I agree. Google has simply done an end around on the
>> OS/hardware vendors. Next up, cable/content providers. Personally I prefer
>> google to all of the alternatives. As Scott McNealy famously said, 'You
have
>> no privacy. Get over it.' In that world I trust Google far, far more than
>> I do MSoft or Apple or my ISP, all of whom have shown no interest in
>> protecting
>> my privacy.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> google is Microsod's main objective and target. Google has way too much
>> money
>>> to be intimidated by the Microsofts and the Apples of the world.
>>>
>>> They are the darling of wall street, being that they amed wall street
all
>>> too much money.
>>>
>>> Google is a train with no brakes.. It is a fact, that Google will control
>>> the Internet.(Gmail, Google earth, IM, Calendaring, SMS....Rumor, Mozilla
>>> will be aquirred by Google as well, giving them a very very very cool
browser
>>> to go toe to toe with Iternet Explorer.. And , thus do to Microsoft,
what
>>> Microsoft did to Netscape.. Give all away or seemingly for free. :) Reaping
>>> and Sowing..
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
>>>>
>>>> Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
>>>> company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
>>>>
>>>> Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well?
Could
>>>> happen.
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: OT: The future of the net when you type google [message #78801 is a reply to message #78795] |
Mon, 22 January 2007 08:04 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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I know what you are saying Thad, and in concept I agree, but my point is
that the US business model for "good business" is based on greed - e.g.
no limit or ethical boundary for making a profit "by providing better
services", faster or at a higher profit margin.
All the same I guess it's still just speculation. AT&T is still bigger than
Google, and they actually own a large portion of network fiber and cable,
and have threated to start charging users per email, and for bandwidth (via
charging their leasees).
Google's market value (Forbes) is still only a paltry $107B compared to
Exxon at $362B, GE at $348B and Microsoft at $279B. Profits vary
differently, but as a general idea, they aren't much of an influence yet,
other than finding keyword searches.
Worth watching I guess - I don't want any single company to claim ownership
over the network we use to access the internet - eventually that may happen,
and it could only result in us paying just to have this conversation (more
than a monthly access fee).
Regards,
Dedric
On 1/22/07 9:34 AM, in article 45b4d99f$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
wrote:
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> I don't think Google is especially greedy. They are a publicly traded company,
> their job is to make money for their shareholders, which they've done quite
> well. If smaller companies can't compete and Google cleans their clocks by
> providing better services, and does that legally, that's not greed that's
> good business.
>
> TCB
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> I don't think I trust any company worth 3 trillion or so to have my best
>> interests at heart, esp. when their business model is to end around
>> antitrust laws to "own" all media transmission outlets by forcing smaller
>> companies to choose between them and bankruptcy.
>>
>> Rupert Murdoch should probably watch his back as well.
>>
>> You are right, Google is a train with no breaks... with the internet using
>> people of this world tied to the stop barrier at the end of the line. In
>> the end, we are the ones that pay the most for any company's greed.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> On 1/21/07 9:23 AM, in article 45b3858f$1@linux, "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Read the Mozilla license, Google can't 'buy' it. In fact, the Firefox
> folks
>>> are getting a bit skittish about how closely they're working with google.
>>>
>>>
>>> In general, though, I agree. Google has simply done an end around on the
>>> OS/hardware vendors. Next up, cable/content providers. Personally I prefer
>>> google to all of the alternatives. As Scott McNealy famously said, 'You
> have
>>> no privacy. Get over it.' In that world I trust Google far, far more than
>>> I do MSoft or Apple or my ISP, all of whom have shown no interest in
>>> protecting
>>> my privacy.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> google is Microsod's main objective and target. Google has way too much
>>> money
>>>> to be intimidated by the Microsofts and the Apples of the world.
>>>>
>>>> They are the darling of wall street, being that they amed wall street
> all
>>>> too much money.
>>>>
>>>> Google is a train with no brakes.. It is a fact, that Google will control
>>>> the Internet.(Gmail, Google earth, IM, Calendaring, SMS....Rumor, Mozilla
>>>> will be aquirred by Google as well, giving them a very very very cool
> browser
>>>> to go toe to toe with Iternet Explorer.. And , thus do to Microsoft,
> what
>>>> Microsoft did to Netscape.. Give all away or seemingly for free. :) Reaping
>>>> and Sowing..
>>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070119_0015 10.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Interesting read, and a bit unnerving too. Kind of makes the Bell phone
>>>>> company monopoly look like a mom and pop shop.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you imagine Microsoft and Apple being bought by Google as well?
> Could
>>>>> happen.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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