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Robotic Voices? [message #99630] Wed, 23 July 2008 13:36 Go to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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My son Jake, who is 11, has fallen in love with HOT 99.5 FM, which plays the
current Top 40 R&B and pop and rock tunes. There seems to be this epidemic
of robotic voices going on. It sounds like Autotune used very, very badly.
I've been thinking that it must be some sort of vocoder. Does anyone know
what I'm talking about. I don't want to actually DO it! I just want to
know how it's done!

Thanks,

Gantt


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99632 is a reply to message #99630] Wed, 23 July 2008 14:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kerr Mathieson is currently offline  Kerr Mathieson   UNITED KINGDOM
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It is indeed Autotune that's used to create it. I know it may sound bad in
the sense of what autotune is able to do, but it is actually intentional for
these producers to use it in this way!

probably just another pop/r&b/hip-hop trend that'll die off soon enough

thanks

Kerr

"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4887964d$1@linux...
>
> My son Jake, who is 11, has fallen in love with HOT 99.5 FM, which plays
> the
> current Top 40 R&B and pop and rock tunes. There seems to be this
> epidemic
> of robotic voices going on. It sounds like Autotune used very, very
> badly.
> I've been thinking that it must be some sort of vocoder. Does anyone know
> what I'm talking about. I don't want to actually DO it! I just want to
> know how it's done!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gantt
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99633 is a reply to message #99632] Wed, 23 July 2008 15:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   CANADA
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Nice thread about this very topic at the Womb

http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=8168


"Kerr Mathieson" <oneninehundred@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:4887a74c$1@linux...
> It is indeed Autotune that's used to create it. I know it may sound bad
> in the sense of what autotune is able to do, but it is actually
> intentional for these producers to use it in this way!
>
> probably just another pop/r&b/hip-hop trend that'll die off soon enough
>
> thanks
>
> Kerr
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:4887964d$1@linux...
>>
>> My son Jake, who is 11, has fallen in love with HOT 99.5 FM, which plays
>> the
>> current Top 40 R&B and pop and rock tunes. There seems to be this
>> epidemic
>> of robotic voices going on. It sounds like Autotune used very, very
>> badly.
>> I've been thinking that it must be some sort of vocoder. Does anyone
>> know
>> what I'm talking about. I don't want to actually DO it! I just want to
>> know how it's done!
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gantt
>
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99635 is a reply to message #99633] Wed, 23 July 2008 17:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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Wouldn't you think people'd be getting sick of it by now? I hear the same
effect on every 3rd or 4th song on this station. Maybe the record company
execs are asking for it...

Gantt

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>Nice thread about this very topic at the Womb
>
>http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=8168
>
>
>"Kerr Mathieson" <oneninehundred@virgin.net> wrote in message
>news:4887a74c$1@linux...
>> It is indeed Autotune that's used to create it. I know it may sound bad

>> in the sense of what autotune is able to do, but it is actually
>> intentional for these producers to use it in this way!
>>
>> probably just another pop/r&b/hip-hop trend that'll die off soon enough
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Kerr
>>
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:4887964d$1@linux...
>>>
>>> My son Jake, who is 11, has fallen in love with HOT 99.5 FM, which plays

>>> the
>>> current Top 40 R&B and pop and rock tunes. There seems to be this
>>> epidemic
>>> of robotic voices going on. It sounds like Autotune used very, very

>>> badly.
>>> I've been thinking that it must be some sort of vocoder. Does anyone

>>> know
>>> what I'm talking about. I don't want to actually DO it! I just want
to
>>> know how it's done!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>
>
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99636 is a reply to message #99633] Wed, 23 July 2008 17:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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How about "Stronger" by Kanye West? That can't be Autotune!

Gantt

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>Nice thread about this very topic at the Womb
>
>http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=8168
>
>
>"Kerr Mathieson" <oneninehundred@virgin.net> wrote in message
>news:4887a74c$1@linux...
>> It is indeed Autotune that's used to create it. I know it may sound bad

>> in the sense of what autotune is able to do, but it is actually
>> intentional for these producers to use it in this way!
>>
>> probably just another pop/r&b/hip-hop trend that'll die off soon enough
>>
>> thanks
>>
>> Kerr
>>
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:4887964d$1@linux...
>>>
>>> My son Jake, who is 11, has fallen in love with HOT 99.5 FM, which plays

>>> the
>>> current Top 40 R&B and pop and rock tunes. There seems to be this
>>> epidemic
>>> of robotic voices going on. It sounds like Autotune used very, very

>>> badly.
>>> I've been thinking that it must be some sort of vocoder. Does anyone

>>> know
>>> what I'm talking about. I don't want to actually DO it! I just want
to
>>> know how it's done!
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>
>
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99637 is a reply to message #99636] Wed, 23 July 2008 17:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tom Bruhl is currently offline  Tom Bruhl   UNITED STATES
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Hi Gantt,

Stronger sounds like a vocorder controlled by a midi keyboard
to me. That's just a guess. Probably other grit thrown in there to.
I like that sound alot. It is what sets that song apart from the
competition. Aggressive in a rock n roll way. Maybe some
amp sim or the real thing with it.

Tom


"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4887cba2$1@linux...
>
> How about "Stronger" by Kanye West? That can't be Autotune!
>
> Gantt
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>Nice thread about this very topic at the Womb
>>
>>http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=8168
>>
>>
>>"Kerr Mathieson" <oneninehundred@virgin.net> wrote in message
>>news:4887a74c$1@linux...
>>> It is indeed Autotune that's used to create it. I know it may sound bad
>
>>> in the sense of what autotune is able to do, but it is actually
>>> intentional for these producers to use it in this way!
>>>
>>> probably just another pop/r&b/hip-hop trend that'll die off soon enough
>>>
>>> thanks
>>>
>>> Kerr
>>>
>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4887964d$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> My son Jake, who is 11, has fallen in love with HOT 99.5 FM, which
>>>> plays
>
>>>> the
>>>> current Top 40 R&B and pop and rock tunes. There seems to be this
>>>> epidemic
>>>> of robotic voices going on. It sounds like Autotune used very, very
>
>>>> badly.
>>>> I've been thinking that it must be some sort of vocoder. Does anyone
>
>>>> know
>>>> what I'm talking about. I don't want to actually DO it! I just want
> to
>>>> know how it's done!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99639 is a reply to message #99637] Wed, 23 July 2008 17:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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Yup. I agree that "Stronger" rocks. We got Jake the clean version for his
iPod. The thing I don't get is how pervasive this Autotune/vocoder thing
has gotten. Don't people want their music to be unique anymore?

Gantt

"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>Hi Gantt,
>
>Stronger sounds like a vocorder controlled by a midi keyboard
>to me. That's just a guess. Probably other grit thrown in there to.
>I like that sound alot. It is what sets that song apart from the
>competition. Aggressive in a rock n roll way. Maybe some
>amp sim or the real thing with it.
>
>Tom
>
>
>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:4887cba2$1@linux...
>>
>> How about "Stronger" by Kanye West? That can't be Autotune!
>>
>> Gantt
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>Nice thread about this very topic at the Womb
>>>
>>>http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=8168
>>>
>>>
>>>"Kerr Mathieson" <oneninehundred@virgin.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4887a74c$1@linux...
>>>> It is indeed Autotune that's used to create it. I know it may sound
bad
>>
>>>> in the sense of what autotune is able to do, but it is actually
>>>> intentional for these producers to use it in this way!
>>>>
>>>> probably just another pop/r&b/hip-hop trend that'll die off soon enough
>>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>
>>>> Kerr
>>>>
>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:4887964d$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> My son Jake, who is 11, has fallen in love with HOT 99.5 FM, which

>>>>> plays
>>
>>>>> the
>>>>> current Top 40 R&B and pop and rock tunes. There seems to be this
>>>>> epidemic
>>>>> of robotic voices going on. It sounds like Autotune used very, very
>>
>>>>> badly.
>>>>> I've been thinking that it must be some sort of vocoder. Does anyone
>>
>>>>> know
>>>>> what I'm talking about. I don't want to actually DO it! I just want
>> to
>>>>> know how it's done!
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99640 is a reply to message #99639] Wed, 23 July 2008 19:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Tom Bruhl is currently offline  Tom Bruhl   UNITED STATES
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Gantt,

In the world of DJing I've grown accustomed to hearing some pretty
awful singers in the pop world. Autotune effects can be better than that
at least even if over used. It's an easy way out for sure. In techno
it can be very cool. I am about as sick of autotune as I was about
gated reverb in the 80s. It's a cool sound here and there but . . .

Tom






"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4887d2b5$1@linux...
>
> Yup. I agree that "Stronger" rocks. We got Jake the clean version for
> his
> iPod. The thing I don't get is how pervasive this Autotune/vocoder thing
> has gotten. Don't people want their music to be unique anymore?
>
> Gantt
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>Hi Gantt,
>>
>>Stronger sounds like a vocorder controlled by a midi keyboard
>>to me. That's just a guess. Probably other grit thrown in there to.
>>I like that sound alot. It is what sets that song apart from the
>>competition. Aggressive in a rock n roll way. Maybe some
>>amp sim or the real thing with it.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>
>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>news:4887cba2$1@linux...
>>>
>>> How about "Stronger" by Kanye West? That can't be Autotune!
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>>
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>Nice thread about this very topic at the Womb
>>>>
>>>>http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=8168
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Kerr Mathieson" <oneninehundred@virgin.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:4887a74c$1@linux...
>>>>> It is indeed Autotune that's used to create it. I know it may sound
> bad
>>>
>>>>> in the sense of what autotune is able to do, but it is actually
>>>>> intentional for these producers to use it in this way!
>>>>>
>>>>> probably just another pop/r&b/hip-hop trend that'll die off soon
>>>>> enough
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Kerr
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4887964d$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My son Jake, who is 11, has fallen in love with HOT 99.5 FM, which
>
>>>>>> plays
>>>
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> current Top 40 R&B and pop and rock tunes. There seems to be this
>>>>>> epidemic
>>>>>> of robotic voices going on. It sounds like Autotune used very, very
>>>
>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>> I've been thinking that it must be some sort of vocoder. Does anyone
>>>
>>>>>> know
>>>>>> what I'm talking about. I don't want to actually DO it! I just want
>>> to
>>>>>> know how it's done!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99644 is a reply to message #99636] Wed, 23 July 2008 22:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Chris is currently offline  Chris   UNITED STATES
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Stronger sounds more like a Talk Box to me.
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99646 is a reply to message #99640] Thu, 24 July 2008 01:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Sarah is currently offline  Sarah   UNITED STATES
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Auto-tune . . . the term itself gives me the willies. More technology to
homogenize and sterilize music, and further proof that it's more important
in the pop music world to be pretty than it is to be talented.

Signed,

Bitter, aging wannabe :)

"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:4887e67b$1@linux...
> Gantt,
>
> In the world of DJing I've grown accustomed to hearing some pretty
> awful singers in the pop world. Autotune effects can be better than that
> at least even if over used. It's an easy way out for sure. In techno
> it can be very cool. I am about as sick of autotune as I was about
> gated reverb in the 80s. It's a cool sound here and there but . . .
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:4887d2b5$1@linux...
>>
>> Yup. I agree that "Stronger" rocks. We got Jake the clean version for
>> his
>> iPod. The thing I don't get is how pervasive this Autotune/vocoder thing
>> has gotten. Don't people want their music to be unique anymore?
>>
>> Gantt
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>Hi Gantt,
>>>
>>>Stronger sounds like a vocorder controlled by a midi keyboard
>>>to me. That's just a guess. Probably other grit thrown in there to.
>>>I like that sound alot. It is what sets that song apart from the
>>>competition. Aggressive in a rock n roll way. Maybe some
>>>amp sim or the real thing with it.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4887cba2$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> How about "Stronger" by Kanye West? That can't be Autotune!
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>Nice thread about this very topic at the Womb
>>>>>
>>>>>http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=8168
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Kerr Mathieson" <oneninehundred@virgin.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:4887a74c$1@linux...
>>>>>> It is indeed Autotune that's used to create it. I know it may sound
>> bad
>>>>
>>>>>> in the sense of what autotune is able to do, but it is actually
>>>>>> intentional for these producers to use it in this way!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> probably just another pop/r&b/hip-hop trend that'll die off soon
>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kerr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:4887964d$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My son Jake, who is 11, has fallen in love with HOT 99.5 FM, which
>>
>>>>>>> plays
>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> current Top 40 R&B and pop and rock tunes. There seems to be this
>>>>>>> epidemic
>>>>>>> of robotic voices going on. It sounds like Autotune used very, very
>>>>
>>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>>> I've been thinking that it must be some sort of vocoder. Does
>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>
>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>> what I'm talking about. I don't want to actually DO it! I just
>>>>>>> want
>>>> to
>>>>>>> know how it's done!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99647 is a reply to message #99644] Thu, 24 July 2008 05:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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Maybe a talkbox thru a vocoder with Autotune?

"Chris" <cml88@comcast.net> wrote:
>Stronger sounds more like a Talk Box to me.
>
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99648 is a reply to message #99646] Thu, 24 July 2008 05:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Gantt Kushner is currently offline  Gantt Kushner   
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I think that's been the case ever since they discovered that a little bit
of echo could mask a little bit of out of tune-ness. A friend has told me
about having a friend in Nashville who spends his days tuning the vocals
of famous female vocalists. Sounds like soul killing work to me!

Gantt

"Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>Auto-tune . . . the term itself gives me the willies. More technology to

>homogenize and sterilize music, and further proof that it's more important

>in the pop music world to be pretty than it is to be talented.
>
>Signed,
>
>Bitter, aging wannabe :)
>
>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:4887e67b$1@linux...
>> Gantt,
>>
>> In the world of DJing I've grown accustomed to hearing some pretty
>> awful singers in the pop world. Autotune effects can be better than that
>> at least even if over used. It's an easy way out for sure. In techno
>> it can be very cool. I am about as sick of autotune as I was about
>> gated reverb in the 80s. It's a cool sound here and there but . . .
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:4887d2b5$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Yup. I agree that "Stronger" rocks. We got Jake the clean version for

>>> his
>>> iPod. The thing I don't get is how pervasive this Autotune/vocoder thing
>>> has gotten. Don't people want their music to be unique anymore?
>>>
>>> Gantt
>>>
>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>Hi Gantt,
>>>>
>>>>Stronger sounds like a vocorder controlled by a midi keyboard
>>>>to me. That's just a guess. Probably other grit thrown in there to.
>>>>I like that sound alot. It is what sets that song apart from the
>>>>competition. Aggressive in a rock n roll way. Maybe some
>>>>amp sim or the real thing with it.
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:4887cba2$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> How about "Stronger" by Kanye West? That can't be Autotune!
>>>>>
>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>
>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Nice thread about this very topic at the Womb
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=8168
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Kerr Mathieson" <oneninehundred@virgin.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:4887a74c$1@linux...
>>>>>>> It is indeed Autotune that's used to create it. I know it may sound
>>> bad
>>>>>
>>>>>>> in the sense of what autotune is able to do, but it is actually
>>>>>>> intentional for these producers to use it in this way!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> probably just another pop/r&b/hip-hop trend that'll die off soon

>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kerr
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4887964d$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My son Jake, who is 11, has fallen in love with HOT 99.5 FM, which
>>>
>>>>>>>> plays
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> current Top 40 R&B and pop and rock tunes. There seems to be this
>>>>>>>> epidemic
>>>>>>>> of robotic voices going on. It sounds like Autotune used very,
very
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>>>> I've been thinking that it must be some sort of vocoder. Does
>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>> what I'm talking about. I don't want to actually DO it! I just

>>>>>>>> want
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> know how it's done!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99651 is a reply to message #99647] Thu, 24 July 2008 12:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Don Nafe is currently offline  Don Nafe   CANADA
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"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:48887952$1@linux...
>
> Maybe a talkbox thru a vocoder with Autotune?
>

Then run through melodyne

hehehe
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99652 is a reply to message #99651] Thu, 24 July 2008 14:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Kerr Mathieson is currently offline  Kerr Mathieson   UNITED KINGDOM
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Member
'Stronger' is just a direct sample of the Daft Punk track, dissected and
reworked. Definitely a vocoder more than autotune.

check these 2 SoS excerpts from recent mags for more:

Fabian Marasciullo: Flo Rida and T-Pain 'Low' :-

Asking an engineer or mixer about his use of pitch correction can be a bit
like mentioning an elephant in the room, but not with an artist like T-Pain,
who has made a name out of featuring Auto-Tune on his voice. "T-Pain has
been using Auto-Tune for a long time, even before we met," says Marasciullo.
"Since we've been working together we've created a bit of a warmer way of
applying it, a more vintage-like sound if you want, as opposed to a more
digital, brittle sound. T-Pain is a very technical person and a great
engineer and he'll already have applied Auto-Tune to his voice in about 50
percent of his tracks, and for the rest I'll add it. In the case of 'Low' he
had already added Auto-Tune when I got the files.
"I get hundreds of emails every week to my MySpace page asking me about the
AutoTune effect," he adds, and the Internet is chock-a-block with
how-to-do-the-T-Pain-effect instructions. Marasciullo doesn't argue with
these settings when asked whether they are correct, but stresses that "The
reason the Auto-Tune sound works so special on him is because of his voice,
because of the tremolo he sings with. That just seems to work magically with
Auto-Tune. He also intentionally sings a little bit flat, to get Auto-Tune
to grab his voice the way he wants. You still have to know what you're doing
from a musical perspective to get the effect to work."


Secrets of the mix engineers: Manny Marroquin, Kanye West's Stronger

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec07/articles/insidetrack_1 207.htm

(this might be under an Esub, so I hope you can read it)

point is, there are producers out there intentionally using them for the
effect, not trying to recreate a realistic sound, annoying or not, lol!

Kerr.

"Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:4888d5bc@linux...
>
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:48887952$1@linux...
>>
>> Maybe a talkbox thru a vocoder with Autotune?
>>
>
> Then run through melodyne
>
> hehehe
>
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99653 is a reply to message #99648] Thu, 24 July 2008 16:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Bill L is currently offline  Bill L   UNITED STATES
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Registered: August 2006
Senior Member
With Autotune it's a piece of cake compared to back in the day with a
Synclavier, or a sampler. That was frickin hard work! And you had to
have ears, too.

Gantt Kushner wrote:
> I think that's been the case ever since they discovered that a little bit
> of echo could mask a little bit of out of tune-ness. A friend has told me
> about having a friend in Nashville who spends his days tuning the vocals
> of famous female vocalists. Sounds like soul killing work to me!
>
> Gantt
>
> "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com> wrote:
>> Auto-tune . . . the term itself gives me the willies. More technology to
>
>> homogenize and sterilize music, and further proof that it's more important
>
>> in the pop music world to be pretty than it is to be talented.
>>
>> Signed,
>>
>> Bitter, aging wannabe :)
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote in message news:4887e67b$1@linux...
>>> Gantt,
>>>
>>> In the world of DJing I've grown accustomed to hearing some pretty
>>> awful singers in the pop world. Autotune effects can be better than that
>>> at least even if over used. It's an easy way out for sure. In techno
>>> it can be very cool. I am about as sick of autotune as I was about
>>> gated reverb in the 80s. It's a cool sound here and there but . . .
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>> news:4887d2b5$1@linux...
>>>> Yup. I agree that "Stronger" rocks. We got Jake the clean version for
>
>>>> his
>>>> iPod. The thing I don't get is how pervasive this Autotune/vocoder thing
>>>> has gotten. Don't people want their music to be unique anymore?
>>>>
>>>> Gantt
>>>>
>>>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Gantt,
>>>>>
>>>>> Stronger sounds like a vocorder controlled by a midi keyboard
>>>>> to me. That's just a guess. Probably other grit thrown in there to.
>>>>> I like that sound alot. It is what sets that song apart from the
>>>>> competition. Aggressive in a rock n roll way. Maybe some
>>>>> amp sim or the real thing with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:4887cba2$1@linux...
>>>>>> How about "Stronger" by Kanye West? That can't be Autotune!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Nice thread about this very topic at the Womb
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://thewombforums.com/showthread.php?t=8168
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Kerr Mathieson" <oneninehundred@virgin.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:4887a74c$1@linux...
>>>>>>>> It is indeed Autotune that's used to create it. I know it may sound
>>>> bad
>>>>>>>> in the sense of what autotune is able to do, but it is actually
>>>>>>>> intentional for these producers to use it in this way!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> probably just another pop/r&b/hip-hop trend that'll die off soon
>
>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kerr
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:4887964d$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>> My son Jake, who is 11, has fallen in love with HOT 99.5 FM, which
>>>>>>>>> plays
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> current Top 40 R&B and pop and rock tunes. There seems to be this
>>>>>>>>> epidemic
>>>>>>>>> of robotic voices going on. It sounds like Autotune used very,
> very
>>>>>>>>> badly.
>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking that it must be some sort of vocoder. Does
>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>> know
>>>>>>>>> what I'm talking about. I don't want to actually DO it! I just
>
>>>>>>>>> want
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> know how it's done!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gantt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Robotic Voices? [message #99666 is a reply to message #99652] Thu, 24 July 2008 23:06 Go to previous message
Tom Bruhl is currently offline  Tom Bruhl   UNITED STATES
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Registered: June 2007
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Kerr,

That's a great article from sound on sound! Opened my mind
about a few things I was questioning.

Thanks,
Tom




"Kerr Mathieson" <oneninehundred@virgin.net> wrote in message
news:4888f69c$1@linux...
> 'Stronger' is just a direct sample of the Daft Punk track, dissected and
> reworked. Definitely a vocoder more than autotune.
>
> check these 2 SoS excerpts from recent mags for more:
>
> Fabian Marasciullo: Flo Rida and T-Pain 'Low' :-
>
> Asking an engineer or mixer about his use of pitch correction can be a bit
> like mentioning an elephant in the room, but not with an artist like
> T-Pain, who has made a name out of featuring Auto-Tune on his voice.
> "T-Pain has been using Auto-Tune for a long time, even before we met,"
> says Marasciullo. "Since we've been working together we've created a bit
> of a warmer way of applying it, a more vintage-like sound if you want, as
> opposed to a more digital, brittle sound. T-Pain is a very technical
> person and a great engineer and he'll already have applied Auto-Tune to
> his voice in about 50 percent of his tracks, and for the rest I'll add it.
> In the case of 'Low' he had already added Auto-Tune when I got the files.
> "I get hundreds of emails every week to my MySpace page asking me about
> the AutoTune effect," he adds, and the Internet is chock-a-block with
> how-to-do-the-T-Pain-effect instructions. Marasciullo doesn't argue with
> these settings when asked whether they are correct, but stresses that "The
> reason the Auto-Tune sound works so special on him is because of his
> voice, because of the tremolo he sings with. That just seems to work
> magically with Auto-Tune. He also intentionally sings a little bit flat,
> to get Auto-Tune to grab his voice the way he wants. You still have to
> know what you're doing from a musical perspective to get the effect to
> work."
>
>
> Secrets of the mix engineers: Manny Marroquin, Kanye West's Stronger
>
> http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/dec07/articles/insidetrack_1 207.htm
>
> (this might be under an Esub, so I hope you can read it)
>
> point is, there are producers out there intentionally using them for the
> effect, not trying to recreate a realistic sound, annoying or not, lol!
>
> Kerr.
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@rogers.com> wrote in message news:4888d5bc@linux...
>>
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:48887952$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Maybe a talkbox thru a vocoder with Autotune?
>>>
>>
>> Then run through melodyne
>>
>> hehehe
>>
>
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