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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81713 is a reply to message #81711] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 01:01   |
excelav
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"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way
to
>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of principle,
>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've been
>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really* like
>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going to
>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that for
>egotism?).
>
>;o)
>
>
Dj, just stop! That Apple software will seep in to your brain and corrode
it; )
I'll first say I hardly use iTunes, but I do use it on occasion. I'll point
out some things that may or may not be obvious. The price is right! It
will do encoding and audio file format conversion. You can create play list
and organize you music for quick access, and you can also burn audio CDs
with it.
I've used it to dj weddings, parties and camping trips. A true story. I
was at a wedding doing video and the bride was literally crying at her wedding
because, the dj the company sent out didn't bring the bride and father song
he was supposed to. I used the dj's windows laptop and installed iTunes,
down loaded the song and saved the day. I guess I could have used something
else, but it was a long time ago and iTunes worked.
I've used it to search an artist content to find a song when I didn't know
the song title, by playing the snippets. I've listen to a new records to
get a sampling of what's on it before I buy it. Some times I'll check out
movie trailers. Some times, I actually use it to listen to my music while
I'm on the tube. Just drop you CDs in and hit import. You can also do drag
and drop. I also use it to listen to the net radio shows while I work.
There is a lot of cool stuff on iTunes that is free. The thing I find coolest
about it is the Pod casts. Check it out, if you go to the store and click
on podcasts, there is a bunch of categories. select a category and pick
some thing your interested in and subscribe. It will down load the pod casts.
It is mostly audio and some videos. There are a lot of radio shows, instructional
videos. There is all kinds of stuff, like real-estate, investment, business,
comedy, music, motivational speaking, news, learning video production, cooking
to learning spanish. The best part is most of it is free.
There is a lot there. Have fun with it.
James
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81714 is a reply to message #81713] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 01:24 |
excelav
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I should have mentioned that you don't have to subscribe to the podcasts,
if you just want to listen or watch one of them, just click on them one at
a time. If it's video, double click on the video to open a larger screen.
There are PhotoShop quick tips video podcasts there. You can also create
your own podcasts and up load them.
There is one screwy thing about itunes. If you add original music that has
no meta info, iTunes will try to figure out what it is based on song length
or something, and it will sometimes give it a wrong name. So you kind of
have to watch it, and correct the name if it does that.
James
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>
>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way
>to
>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of principle,
>
>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've been
>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really* like
>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going to
>
>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that
for
>
>>egotism?).
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>
>Dj, just stop! That Apple software will seep in to your brain and corrode
>it; )
>
>I'll first say I hardly use iTunes, but I do use it on occasion. I'll point
>out some things that may or may not be obvious. The price is right! It
>will do encoding and audio file format conversion. You can create play
list
>and organize you music for quick access, and you can also burn audio CDs
>with it.
>
>I've used it to dj weddings, parties and camping trips. A true story.
I
>was at a wedding doing video and the bride was literally crying at her
wedding
>because, the dj the company sent out didn't bring the bride and father song
>he was supposed to. I used the dj's windows laptop and installed iTunes,
>down loaded the song and saved the day. I guess I could have used something
>else, but it was a long time ago and iTunes worked.
>
>I've used it to search an artist content to find a song when I didn't know
>the song title, by playing the snippets. I've listen to a new records
to
>get a sampling of what's on it before I buy it. Some times I'll check
out
>movie trailers. Some times, I actually use it to listen to my music while
>I'm on the tube. Just drop you CDs in and hit import. You can also do
drag
>and drop. I also use it to listen to the net radio shows while I work.
>
>There is a lot of cool stuff on iTunes that is free. The thing I find coolest
>about it is the Pod casts. Check it out, if you go to the store and click
>on podcasts, there is a bunch of categories. select a category and pick
>some thing your interested in and subscribe. It will down load the pod
casts.
> It is mostly audio and some videos. There are a lot of radio shows, instructional
>videos. There is all kinds of stuff, like real-estate, investment, business,
>comedy, music, motivational speaking, news, learning video production, cooking
>to learning spanish. The best part is most of it is free.
>
>There is a lot there. Have fun with it.
>
>James
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81717 is a reply to message #81711] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 00:58 |
Sarah
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Aaaaa!! I hate when I do that . . . What I was about to say, before I
accidentally sent that empty message was: Yeah, I think iTunes is a lot of
fun, and I don't even have an iPod, or any other such player. I've added a
lot of interesting things to my collection from there, but I also think it's
fun just to browse the iTunes store.
Sarah (a fellow curmudgeon)
PS: and don't forget . . . "Wayward" by Sarahtonin, my favorite band, is
now available on iTunes. :D
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45fe2080$1@linux...
> OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
> audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way to
> avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of
> principle, but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and
> I've been playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years
> behind everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really*
> like ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going
> to design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that
> for egotism?).
>
> ;o)
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81718 is a reply to message #81717] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 01:45 |
rick
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sarah,
">Aaaaa!! I hate when I do that . . . What I was about to say, before
I accidentally sent that empty message"
it's called maturity.
;o)
On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 00:58:36 -0700, "Sarah" <sarahjane@sarahtonin.com>
wrote:
>Aaaaa!! I hate when I do that . . . What I was about to say, before I
>accidentally sent that empty message was: Yeah, I think iTunes is a lot of
>fun, and I don't even have an iPod, or any other such player. I've added a
>lot of interesting things to my collection from there, but I also think it's
>fun just to browse the iTunes store.
>
>Sarah (a fellow curmudgeon)
>
>PS: and don't forget . . . "Wayward" by Sarahtonin, my favorite band, is
>now available on iTunes. :D
>
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45fe2080$1@linux...
>> OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>> audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way to
>> avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of
>> principle, but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and
>> I've been playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years
>> behind everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really*
>> like ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going
>> to design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that
>> for egotism?).
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81725 is a reply to message #81711] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 09:51 |
LaMont
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itunes is great. In a pinch, it great for a "quicky" mastering app for listen
backs for the artist and record company. Just adding a pinch of their eq
will usually do the trick..
For the last 3 years, Itunes has been our studio standard MP3,wav file player.
BUT..Ms new Media Player 11 is great as well. The search function is stellar,
as is the playback engine.
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way
to
>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of principle,
>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've been
>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really* like
>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going to
>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that for
>egotism?).
>
>;o)
>
>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81728 is a reply to message #81725] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 11:31 |
excelav
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Hmmmmm...........I wonder where they got the idea for that search function
and the look? Can you say Aqua? There new logos look familiar too! Nothing
like originality!
"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
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>itunes is great. In a pinch, it great for a "quicky" mastering app for listen
>backs for the artist and record company. Just adding a pinch of their eq
>will usually do the trick..
>
>For the last 3 years, Itunes has been our studio standard MP3,wav file player.
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>
>BUT..Ms new Media Player 11 is great as well. The search function is stellar,
>as is the playback engine.
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>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>
>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way
>to
>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of principle,
>
>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've been
>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really* like
>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going to
>
>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that
for
>
>>egotism?).
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81729 is a reply to message #81724] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 11:40 |
excelav
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Allen, I'm sure you know this, but for those who don't, you can switch the
encoding type and quality in Preferences. There is AAC, AIFF, WAV, Apple
Lossless, and of corse MP3.
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>I've had really great luck with iTunes. The only thing I didn't really
>like/changed was it's standard import format. I don't want my CD's ripped
to
>AAC, rather opting to have it hit the standard MP3 extension.
>
>AA
>
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>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45fe2080$1@linux...
>> OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>> audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way
to
>> avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of
>> principle, but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and
>> I've been playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years
>> behind everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really*
>> like ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going
>> to design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that
>> for egotism?).
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81732 is a reply to message #81723] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 11:06 |
rick
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i've seen it lock up on both platforms.
On 20 Mar 2007 00:44:18 +1000, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>"W. Mark Wilson" <xpam_mark@avidrecording> wrote:
>>Just give iTunes a little time.... it crashes -- a lot.
>>
>>WMW
>
>Hey Mark, what system are you on? I've never had it crash, however I don't
>use it everyday.
>
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45fe2080$1@linux...
>>> OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>
>>> audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way
>to
>>> avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of
>>> principle, but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and
>
>>> I've been playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years
>
>>> behind everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really*
>
>>> like ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going
>
>>> to design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that
>
>>> for egotism?).
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81754 is a reply to message #81729] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 15:07 |
Ted Gerber
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Under iTunes>Preferences>Advanced>Importing...
TG
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Allen, I'm sure you know this, but for those who don't, you can switch the
>encoding type and quality in Preferences. There is AAC, AIFF, WAV, Apple
>Lossless, and of corse MP3.
>
>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>I've had really great luck with iTunes. The only thing I didn't really
>>like/changed was it's standard import format. I don't want my CD's ripped
>to
>>AAC, rather opting to have it hit the standard MP3 extension.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45fe2080$1@linux...
>>> OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>
>>> audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way
>to
>>> avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of
>>> principle, but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and
>
>>> I've been playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years
>
>>> behind everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really*
>
>>> like ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going
>
>>> to design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows
that
>
>>> for egotism?).
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81774 is a reply to message #81723] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 18:37 |
Ab
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I do, and never had a crash.
Gr
Ab
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>"W. Mark Wilson" <xpam_mark@avidrecording> wrote:
>>Just give iTunes a little time.... it crashes -- a lot.
>>
>>WMW
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>Hey Mark, what system are you on? I've never had it crash, however I don't
>use it everyday.
>
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45fe2080$1@linux...
>>> OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>
>>> audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way
>to
>>> avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of
>>> principle, but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and
>
>>> I've been playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years
>
>>> behind everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really*
>
>>> like ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going
>
>>> to design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows
that
>
>>> for egotism?).
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81775 is a reply to message #81729] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 17:41 |
Aaron Allen
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Under iTunes>Preferences>Advanced>Importing...
TG
Righto... which is why I did that :)
I couldn't remember the specific steps, thanks for posting 'em up guys!
AA
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:45fecb22$1@linux...
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> Allen, I'm sure you know this, but for those who don't, you can switch the
> encoding type and quality in Preferences. There is AAC, AIFF, WAV, Apple
> Lossless, and of corse MP3.
>
> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>I've had really great luck with iTunes. The only thing I didn't really
>>like/changed was it's standard import format. I don't want my CD's ripped
> to
>>AAC, rather opting to have it hit the standard MP3 extension.
>>
>>AA
>>
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:45fe2080$1@linux...
>>> OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>
>>> audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way
> to
>>> avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of
>>> principle, but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and
>
>>> I've been playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years
>
>>> behind everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really*
>
>>> like ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were
>>> going
>
>>> to design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows
>>> that
>
>>> for egotism?).
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81785 is a reply to message #81781] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 21:29 |
Dedric Terry
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Umm, before we go down the road of extreme assumptions that Vista is a
bloated waste of bits and bytes (or rather for any PC users interested):
http://www.rainrecording.com/vista/performance
Scroll down for the graph. Cubase 4 was used. Pretty big jump in plugin
count with Vista over XP32. Vista 64 and 32 will be the same as Cubase 4 (I
believe) is still a 32-bit app.
Hard to say how reliable this report is, but no reason to doubt it. I'm not
an early OS adopter, but at least this is rather encouraging. Maybe then we
can put an OSX version of Cubase 4 against a Vista version and see which OS
is bloated the most instead of subjectively guessing. ;-)
Not exactly what I call requiring 8 cores just to open. :-)
BTW - I had iTunes running on one PC today playing some Elgar and Win Media
Player 11 on the laptop with some Dvorak - one screen on each side. They
cancelled each other out to absolute silence. Cool. Dvorak and Elgar
weren't too happy about it though.
Dedric
For instance:
On 3/19/07 8:13 PM, in article ukguv2t01241qgi51tafnlolgvtruo816d@4ax.com,
"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2007 04:31:40 +1000, "James McCloskey"
> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Hmmmmm...........I wonder where they got the idea for that search function
>> and the look? Can you say Aqua? There new logos look familiar too! Nothing
>> like originality!
>>
>
> Is this a can of worms we really want to open here??? Have you seen
> Vista? It's like they took OSX, slapped the word "Windows" on it, and
> started to ship it. After they bloated it to the point where it needs
> an 8-core fully-loaded workstation to open, that is.
>
> pab
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81789 is a reply to message #81785] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 23:07 |
excelav
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Cubase SX was ported to the Mac as I understand it. so I doubt it would be
a fair contest, besides Cubase isn't the only game in town. If Steinberg
were to do a ground up rewrite and optimized it for the Mac, then we might
have a fair contest.
Vista is such a blatant rip off of Mac OSX look and feel it's Pathetic!
James
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Umm, before we go down the road of extreme assumptions that Vista is a
>bloated waste of bits and bytes (or rather for any PC users interested):
>
>http://www.rainrecording.com/vista/performance
>
>Scroll down for the graph. Cubase 4 was used. Pretty big jump in plugin
>count with Vista over XP32. Vista 64 and 32 will be the same as Cubase
4 (I
>believe) is still a 32-bit app.
>
>Hard to say how reliable this report is, but no reason to doubt it. I'm
not
>an early OS adopter, but at least this is rather encouraging. Maybe then
we
>can put an OSX version of Cubase 4 against a Vista version and see which
OS
>is bloated the most instead of subjectively guessing. ;-)
>
>Not exactly what I call requiring 8 cores just to open. :-)
>
>BTW - I had iTunes running on one PC today playing some Elgar and Win Media
>Player 11 on the laptop with some Dvorak - one screen on each side. They
>cancelled each other out to absolute silence. Cool. Dvorak and Elgar
>weren't too happy about it though.
>
>Dedric
>
>For instance:
>
>On 3/19/07 8:13 PM, in article ukguv2t01241qgi51tafnlolgvtruo816d@4ax.com,
>"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>
>> On 20 Mar 2007 04:31:40 +1000, "James McCloskey"
>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hmmmmm...........I wonder where they got the idea for that search function
>>> and the look? Can you say Aqua? There new logos look familiar too!
Nothing
>>> like originality!
>>>
>>
>> Is this a can of worms we really want to open here??? Have you seen
>> Vista? It's like they took OSX, slapped the word "Windows" on it, and
>> started to ship it. After they bloated it to the point where it needs
>> an 8-core fully-loaded workstation to open, that is.
>>
>> pab
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81790 is a reply to message #81785] |
Mon, 19 March 2007 23:40 |
excelav
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And here for a second, I thought you were talking about that dumb-ass John
C. Dvorak. Canceling out any thing he would have to say could only be a
good thing!
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Umm, before we go down the road of extreme assumptions that Vista is a
>bloated waste of bits and bytes (or rather for any PC users interested):
>
>http://www.rainrecording.com/vista/performance
>
>Scroll down for the graph. Cubase 4 was used. Pretty big jump in plugin
>count with Vista over XP32. Vista 64 and 32 will be the same as Cubase
4 (I
>believe) is still a 32-bit app.
>
>Hard to say how reliable this report is, but no reason to doubt it. I'm
not
>an early OS adopter, but at least this is rather encouraging. Maybe then
we
>can put an OSX version of Cubase 4 against a Vista version and see which
OS
>is bloated the most instead of subjectively guessing. ;-)
>
>Not exactly what I call requiring 8 cores just to open. :-)
>
>BTW - I had iTunes running on one PC today playing some Elgar and Win Media
>Player 11 on the laptop with some Dvorak - one screen on each side. They
>cancelled each other out to absolute silence. Cool. Dvorak and Elgar
>weren't too happy about it though.
>
>Dedric
>
>For instance:
>
>On 3/19/07 8:13 PM, in article ukguv2t01241qgi51tafnlolgvtruo816d@4ax.com,
>"Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>
>> On 20 Mar 2007 04:31:40 +1000, "James McCloskey"
>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hmmmmm...........I wonder where they got the idea for that search function
>>> and the look? Can you say Aqua? There new logos look familiar too!
Nothing
>>> like originality!
>>>
>>
>> Is this a can of worms we really want to open here??? Have you seen
>> Vista? It's like they took OSX, slapped the word "Windows" on it, and
>> started to ship it. After they bloated it to the point where it needs
>> an 8-core fully-loaded workstation to open, that is.
>>
>> pab
>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81799 is a reply to message #81789] |
Tue, 20 March 2007 06:22 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
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Sigh. You'll never learn to appreciate anything that isn't a Mac will you?
Okay.... so we'll pull up the same tracks and plugins in Logic (Mac) and
Nuendo (PC)....or better yet, I won't bother since you will just say what a
ripoff of OSX Vista is. Not that a Fischer Price-grey semi-translucent GUI
vs. a black translucent GUI has anything to do with getting work done with a
DAW, which was the point of my post to begin with.... That and dispelling a
bit of FUD about Vista in case other users are considering it to run Cubase
or Nuendo with at some point.
> Vista is such a blatant rip off of Mac OSX look and feel it's Pathetic!
Again? Well.... the obvious answer for you is .... don't use it! Please,
enjoy OSX! We know you hate PCs/Windows already.
Dedric
On 3/20/07 12:07 AM, in article 45ff6c0b$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Cubase SX was ported to the Mac as I understand it. so I doubt it would be
> a fair contest, besides Cubase isn't the only game in town. If Steinberg
> were to do a ground up rewrite and optimized it for the Mac, then we might
> have a fair contest.
>
> Vista is such a blatant rip off of Mac OSX look and feel it's Pathetic!
>
> James
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> Umm, before we go down the road of extreme assumptions that Vista is a
>> bloated waste of bits and bytes (or rather for any PC users interested):
>>
>> http://www.rainrecording.com/vista/performance
>>
>> Scroll down for the graph. Cubase 4 was used. Pretty big jump in plugin
>> count with Vista over XP32. Vista 64 and 32 will be the same as Cubase
> 4 (I
>> believe) is still a 32-bit app.
>>
>> Hard to say how reliable this report is, but no reason to doubt it. I'm
> not
>> an early OS adopter, but at least this is rather encouraging. Maybe then
> we
>> can put an OSX version of Cubase 4 against a Vista version and see which
> OS
>> is bloated the most instead of subjectively guessing. ;-)
>>
>> Not exactly what I call requiring 8 cores just to open. :-)
>>
>> BTW - I had iTunes running on one PC today playing some Elgar and Win Media
>> Player 11 on the laptop with some Dvorak - one screen on each side. They
>> cancelled each other out to absolute silence. Cool. Dvorak and Elgar
>> weren't too happy about it though.
>>
>> Dedric
>>
>> For instance:
>>
>> On 3/19/07 8:13 PM, in article ukguv2t01241qgi51tafnlolgvtruo816d@4ax.com,
>> "Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20 Mar 2007 04:31:40 +1000, "James McCloskey"
>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hmmmmm...........I wonder where they got the idea for that search function
>>>> and the look? Can you say Aqua? There new logos look familiar too!
> Nothing
>>>> like originality!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Is this a can of worms we really want to open here??? Have you seen
>>> Vista? It's like they took OSX, slapped the word "Windows" on it, and
>>> started to ship it. After they bloated it to the point where it needs
>>> an 8-core fully-loaded workstation to open, that is.
>>>
>>> pab
>>
>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81809 is a reply to message #81799] |
Tue, 20 March 2007 10:22 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Dedric,
And your trying to tout Vista, which is a blatant rip off of Mac OSX, but
then again, what's new? Just remember, the "new" features your seeing in
Vista have been in Mac OSX as far back as six years ago.
Have you payed attention to how big the Vista install is? I'd say it's Bloat!
Hey you want to keep supporting an unethical monopolistic company that steals
every thing they can get their hands on that's up to you. There is an alternative.
I'll go with the innovator, the originator, not the copycat.
James
Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>Sigh. You'll never learn to appreciate anything that isn't a Mac will you?
>
>Okay.... so we'll pull up the same tracks and plugins in Logic (Mac) and
>Nuendo (PC)....or better yet, I won't bother since you will just say what
a
>ripoff of OSX Vista is. Not that a Fischer Price-grey semi-translucent
GUI
>vs. a black translucent GUI has anything to do with getting work done with
a
>DAW, which was the point of my post to begin with.... That and dispelling
a
>bit of FUD about Vista in case other users are considering it to run Cubase
>or Nuendo with at some point.
>
>> Vista is such a blatant rip off of Mac OSX look and feel it's Pathetic!
>
>Again? Well.... the obvious answer for you is .... don't use it! Please,
>enjoy OSX! We know you hate PCs/Windows already.
>
>Dedric
>
>On 3/20/07 12:07 AM, in article 45ff6c0b$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Cubase SX was ported to the Mac as I understand it. so I doubt it would
be
>> a fair contest, besides Cubase isn't the only game in town. If Steinberg
>> were to do a ground up rewrite and optimized it for the Mac, then we might
>> have a fair contest.
>>
>> Vista is such a blatant rip off of Mac OSX look and feel it's Pathetic!
>>
>> James
>>
>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>> Umm, before we go down the road of extreme assumptions that Vista is
a
>>> bloated waste of bits and bytes (or rather for any PC users interested):
>>>
>>> http://www.rainrecording.com/vista/performance
>>>
>>> Scroll down for the graph. Cubase 4 was used. Pretty big jump in plugin
>>> count with Vista over XP32. Vista 64 and 32 will be the same as Cubase
>> 4 (I
>>> believe) is still a 32-bit app.
>>>
>>> Hard to say how reliable this report is, but no reason to doubt it.
I'm
>> not
>>> an early OS adopter, but at least this is rather encouraging. Maybe
then
>> we
>>> can put an OSX version of Cubase 4 against a Vista version and see which
>> OS
>>> is bloated the most instead of subjectively guessing. ;-)
>>>
>>> Not exactly what I call requiring 8 cores just to open. :-)
>>>
>>> BTW - I had iTunes running on one PC today playing some Elgar and Win
Media
>>> Player 11 on the laptop with some Dvorak - one screen on each side.
They
>>> cancelled each other out to absolute silence. Cool. Dvorak and Elgar
>>> weren't too happy about it though.
>>>
>>> Dedric
>>>
>>> For instance:
>>>
>>> On 3/19/07 8:13 PM, in article ukguv2t01241qgi51tafnlolgvtruo816d@4ax.com,
>>> "Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 20 Mar 2007 04:31:40 +1000, "James McCloskey"
>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmmmm...........I wonder where they got the idea for that search function
>>>>> and the look? Can you say Aqua? There new logos look familiar too!
>> Nothing
>>>>> like originality!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is this a can of worms we really want to open here??? Have you seen
>>>> Vista? It's like they took OSX, slapped the word "Windows" on it, and
>>>> started to ship it. After they bloated it to the point where it needs
>>>> an 8-core fully-loaded workstation to open, that is.
>>>>
>>>> pab
>>>
>>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81815 is a reply to message #81809] |
Tue, 20 March 2007 11:25 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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No James, I was showing that Vista actually runs more plugins on Cubase 4
than WinXP in early tests, which
can be of interest to anyone considering upgrading from XP to Vista, and use
it for actually getting music and audio
work done.
OS's aren't a political statement for me. They are just a means to an end.
The post about Cubase 4 performance was just useful info for PC users.
Anything wrong with that?
Dedric
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:46000a3e$1@linux...
>
> Dedric,
>
> And your trying to tout Vista, which is a blatant rip off of Mac OSX, but
> then again, what's new? Just remember, the "new" features your seeing in
> Vista have been in Mac OSX as far back as six years ago.
>
> Have you payed attention to how big the Vista install is? I'd say it's
> Bloat!
> Hey you want to keep supporting an unethical monopolistic company that
> steals
> every thing they can get their hands on that's up to you. There is an
> alternative.
> I'll go with the innovator, the originator, not the copycat.
>
> James
>
>
> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>Sigh. You'll never learn to appreciate anything that isn't a Mac will
>>you?
>>
>>Okay.... so we'll pull up the same tracks and plugins in Logic (Mac) and
>>Nuendo (PC)....or better yet, I won't bother since you will just say what
> a
>>ripoff of OSX Vista is. Not that a Fischer Price-grey semi-translucent
> GUI
>>vs. a black translucent GUI has anything to do with getting work done with
> a
>>DAW, which was the point of my post to begin with.... That and dispelling
> a
>>bit of FUD about Vista in case other users are considering it to run
>>Cubase
>>or Nuendo with at some point.
>>
>>> Vista is such a blatant rip off of Mac OSX look and feel it's Pathetic!
>>
>>Again? Well.... the obvious answer for you is .... don't use it! Please,
>>enjoy OSX! We know you hate PCs/Windows already.
>>
>>Dedric
>>
>>On 3/20/07 12:07 AM, in article 45ff6c0b$1@linux, "James McCloskey"
>><excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Cubase SX was ported to the Mac as I understand it. so I doubt it would
> be
>>> a fair contest, besides Cubase isn't the only game in town. If
>>> Steinberg
>>> were to do a ground up rewrite and optimized it for the Mac, then we
>>> might
>>> have a fair contest.
>>>
>>> Vista is such a blatant rip off of Mac OSX look and feel it's Pathetic!
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> Dedric Terry <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>>>> Umm, before we go down the road of extreme assumptions that Vista is
> a
>>>> bloated waste of bits and bytes (or rather for any PC users
>>>> interested):
>>>>
>>>> http://www.rainrecording.com/vista/performance
>>>>
>>>> Scroll down for the graph. Cubase 4 was used. Pretty big jump in
>>>> plugin
>>>> count with Vista over XP32. Vista 64 and 32 will be the same as Cubase
>>> 4 (I
>>>> believe) is still a 32-bit app.
>>>>
>>>> Hard to say how reliable this report is, but no reason to doubt it.
> I'm
>>> not
>>>> an early OS adopter, but at least this is rather encouraging. Maybe
> then
>>> we
>>>> can put an OSX version of Cubase 4 against a Vista version and see
>>>> which
>>> OS
>>>> is bloated the most instead of subjectively guessing. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Not exactly what I call requiring 8 cores just to open. :-)
>>>>
>>>> BTW - I had iTunes running on one PC today playing some Elgar and Win
> Media
>>>> Player 11 on the laptop with some Dvorak - one screen on each side.
> They
>>>> cancelled each other out to absolute silence. Cool. Dvorak and Elgar
>>>> weren't too happy about it though.
>>>>
>>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> For instance:
>>>>
>>>> On 3/19/07 8:13 PM, in article
>>>> ukguv2t01241qgi51tafnlolgvtruo816d@4ax.com,
>>>> "Paul Braun" <cygnus_nospam@ctgonline.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 20 Mar 2007 04:31:40 +1000, "James McCloskey"
>>>>> <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmmmm...........I wonder where they got the idea for that search
>>>>>> function
>>>>>> and the look? Can you say Aqua? There new logos look familiar too!
>>> Nothing
>>>>>> like originality!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Is this a can of worms we really want to open here??? Have you seen
>>>>> Vista? It's like they took OSX, slapped the word "Windows" on it, and
>>>>> started to ship it. After they bloated it to the point where it needs
>>>>> an 8-core fully-loaded workstation to open, that is.
>>>>>
>>>>> pab
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81816 is a reply to message #81711] |
Tue, 20 March 2007 11:38 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into their hardware, it's
not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs. Lincoln, how
was the show?'
For higher quality audio, check out FLAC.
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way
to
>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of principle,
>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've been
>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really* like
>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going to
>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that for
>egotism?).
>
>;o)
>
>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81822 is a reply to message #81816] |
Tue, 20 March 2007 13:07 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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Thad-
What's your take on the idea that DRM is being foisted on all online stores
by the
respective rights holders/publishers?
FLAC is very good. If anyone's on Mac, Amadeus will play FLAC files...
Ted
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into their hardware,
it's
>not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs. Lincoln, how
>was the show?'
>
>For higher quality audio, check out FLAC.
>
>TCB
>
>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>
>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way
>to
>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of principle,
>
>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've been
>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really* like
>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going to
>
>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that
for
>
>>egotism?).
>>
>>;o)
>>
>>
>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81904 is a reply to message #81822] |
Wed, 21 March 2007 14:53 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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Well, my main take on it is that I don't care, I simply will not buy things
in a format that treats me like I'm a criminal. My secondary take on it is
that Esteban Jobs is wicked smart and managed to brow beat the record labels
into using his store precisely because of the DRM it had. Now that he's cornered
the market he's campaigning for the removal of the DRM because, surprise,
customers don't like it.
I'm also quite sure that some day in the not too distant future when you
buy a car you'll have to sign and EULA that says, 'This 'motor vehicle' is
licensed, not sold, to you . . .'
BTW I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one. I'm trying to convince
the Mold Monkies to release our upcoming second CD as both .ogg and .flac
files into the file sharing universe. I'm hoping to include a note pointing
people to our web site and saying only that if they like our music it would
be really cool if they would buy a sticker or a T-Shirt or pick up my bar
tab some night. I haven't completely convinced the guys, I don't write songs
for this band so it's their copyright not mine, but I'm getting closer.
TCB
"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>Thad-
>
>What's your take on the idea that DRM is being foisted on all online stores
>by the
>respective rights holders/publishers?
>
>FLAC is very good. If anyone's on Mac, Amadeus will play FLAC files...
>
>Ted
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into their hardware,
>it's
>>not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs. Lincoln, how
>>was the show?'
>>
>>For higher quality audio, check out FLAC.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>>
>>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way
>>to
>>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of principle,
>>
>>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've been
>
>>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really* like
>>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going to
>>
>>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that
>for
>>
>>>egotism?).
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81920 is a reply to message #81904] |
Wed, 21 March 2007 17:19 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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So here we go again. Steve Jobs is the bad guy??? He went and beat up the
poor record companies and made them open up their libraries to Apple. Is
that the way it was? I can't believe that some people will stand right in
front of the truth and deny it.
The record companies have been pushing such crap music for the last 15 years
that they were in trouble. With the advent of MP3s and the increased use
of personal computers, the record companies could no longer maintain control
of their music. With P2P file sharing, and the huge salaries they were paying
the pimps to run the record companies, and the crap artists they signed,
they were losing revenue.
Steve Jobs came to them with a good BUSINESS MODEL/PLAN! It was a great
deal for the record companies. Apple pays them on average, $0.85 per song!
Apple had to set up the whole infrastructure and maintain the system out
of pocket. Many of the songs are remastered, and Apple has the task of encoding
all of the songs.
The reason the record companies signed with Apple is not because Steve Jobs
brow beat them. They signed because it was a good deal and because they
were on their asses! Record companies were mismanaged and were going out
of business, and were being restructured at that time.
Steve Jobs business plan worked, and has help save the record industry.
In order to get them to go for the plan, Apple had to agree to limit the
number of copies a user can have on a number of machines. It is a reasonable
number of copies! I believe it six. Unlike MS/Rapsody, where as soon as
you stop paying MS, the music stops being playable. At least you get to
keep what you buy with iTunes, unlike MS's DRM bullshit!.
The record companies are doing fine now, and now the greedy bastards want
more. They are trying to force Apple to raise prices. Jobs would like to
see them relax and open the market up more by dropping the DRM. The Pay
to play model sucks for consumers. It's MS's pay to play DRM that Apple
is fighting against. Yet you blame Apple, and accuse them of the pay of
play model.
Look at the record companies and the lock they have on music distribution
and Air play. Apple has tried to help artist and independent record labels
to get their product out there to the public. Apple has given the public
a place to buy music, a lot of music at a reasonable price. Apple doesn't
force you to buy the whole record to get one good song.
The greedy entitled record companies have tried to screw the artists and
musicians out of their fair share. They are trying to squeeze everybody
they and their greasy lawyers can. Look at how many people the record companies
and the RIAA have sued! They have their lobby group the RIAA which is a
gang of thug lawyers that pushes everybody around. Impoverished kids and
single moms! They don't care, pay up or else! Slime!
MS, look at the things they've done. They have stolen from Apple, netscape,
Sun, the list goes on, and the list is long. Look at how much they have
taken. They steal, then they turn around and prosecute people that copy
their software, when much of it was stolen by them. How many times have
you heard of Apple having people prosecuted?
Yep, it's Apple that is evil, and it's Steve Jobs that is the bad guy. It's
Jobs that wants to take your freedoms away, not Gates and his Pay to Play
model.
Get a clue!
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Well, my main take on it is that I don't care, I simply will not buy things
>in a format that treats me like I'm a criminal. My secondary take on it
is
>that Esteban Jobs is wicked smart and managed to brow beat the record labels
>into using his store precisely because of the DRM it had. Now that he's
cornered
>the market he's campaigning for the removal of the DRM because, surprise,
>customers don't like it.
>
>I'm also quite sure that some day in the not too distant future when you
>buy a car you'll have to sign and EULA that says, 'This 'motor vehicle'
is
>licensed, not sold, to you . . .'
>
>BTW I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one. I'm trying to convince
>the Mold Monkies to release our upcoming second CD as both .ogg and .flac
>files into the file sharing universe. I'm hoping to include a note pointing
>people to our web site and saying only that if they like our music it would
>be really cool if they would buy a sticker or a T-Shirt or pick up my bar
>tab some night. I haven't completely convinced the guys, I don't write songs
>for this band so it's their copyright not mine, but I'm getting closer.
>
>TCB
>
>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>
>>Thad-
>>
>>What's your take on the idea that DRM is being foisted on all online stores
>>by the
>>respective rights holders/publishers?
>>
>>FLAC is very good. If anyone's on Mac, Amadeus will play FLAC files...
>>
>>Ted
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into their hardware,
>>it's
>>>not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs. Lincoln,
how
>>>was the show?'
>>>
>>>For higher quality audio, check out FLAC.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>>>
>>>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my way
>>>to
>>>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of principle,
>>>
>>>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've been
>>
>>>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>>>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really* like
>
>>>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going
to
>>>
>>>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that
>>for
>>>
>>>>egotism?).
>>>>
>>>>;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81946 is a reply to message #81920] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 09:09 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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Good heavens, James, did you read my post? I said I won't buy _any_ format
that restricts my freedoms. Not MSoft, not Apple, not anyone. Trust me, I
despise Microsoft a great deal more than you do, because I have to deal with
their hideous, bloated software all the time.
Lastly, Steve Jobs is a billionaire executive in charge of a corporation
with an $80 billion market cap. He's is specifically tasked with making as
much money for Apple shareholders as he can, in other words to be greedy.
That's his job. He doesn't care about you or me or small record labels or
artists one bit more than Steve Ballmer does.
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TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>So here we go again. Steve Jobs is the bad guy??? He went and beat up
the
>poor record companies and made them open up their libraries to Apple. Is
>that the way it was? I can't believe that some people will stand right
in
>front of the truth and deny it.
>
>The record companies have been pushing such crap music for the last 15 years
>that they were in trouble. With the advent of MP3s and the increased use
>of personal computers, the record companies could no longer maintain control
>of their music. With P2P file sharing, and the huge salaries they were
paying
>the pimps to run the record companies, and the crap artists they signed,
>they were losing revenue.
>
>Steve Jobs came to them with a good BUSINESS MODEL/PLAN! It was a great
>deal for the record companies. Apple pays them on average, $0.85 per song!
> Apple had to set up the whole infrastructure and maintain the system out
>of pocket. Many of the songs are remastered, and Apple has the task of
encoding
>all of the songs.
>
>The reason the record companies signed with Apple is not because Steve Jobs
>brow beat them. They signed because it was a good deal and because they
>were on their asses! Record companies were mismanaged and were going out
>of business, and were being restructured at that time.
>
>Steve Jobs business plan worked, and has help save the record industry.
>In order to get them to go for the plan, Apple had to agree to limit the
>number of copies a user can have on a number of machines. It is a reasonable
>number of copies! I believe it six. Unlike MS/Rapsody, where as soon as
>you stop paying MS, the music stops being playable. At least you get to
>keep what you buy with iTunes, unlike MS's DRM bullshit!.
>
>The record companies are doing fine now, and now the greedy bastards want
>more. They are trying to force Apple to raise prices. Jobs would like
to
>see them relax and open the market up more by dropping the DRM. The Pay
>to play model sucks for consumers. It's MS's pay to play DRM that Apple
>is fighting against. Yet you blame Apple, and accuse them of the pay of
>play model.
>
>Look at the record companies and the lock they have on music distribution
>and Air play. Apple has tried to help artist and independent record labels
>to get their product out there to the public. Apple has given the public
>a place to buy music, a lot of music at a reasonable price. Apple doesn't
>force you to buy the whole record to get one good song.
>
>The greedy entitled record companies have tried to screw the artists and
>musicians out of their fair share. They are trying to squeeze everybody
>they and their greasy lawyers can. Look at how many people the record companies
>and the RIAA have sued! They have their lobby group the RIAA which is a
>gang of thug lawyers that pushes everybody around. Impoverished kids and
>single moms! They don't care, pay up or else! Slime!
>
>MS, look at the things they've done. They have stolen from Apple, netscape,
>Sun, the list goes on, and the list is long. Look at how much they have
>taken. They steal, then they turn around and prosecute people that copy
>their software, when much of it was stolen by them. How many times have
>you heard of Apple having people prosecuted?
>
>Yep, it's Apple that is evil, and it's Steve Jobs that is the bad guy.
It's
>Jobs that wants to take your freedoms away, not Gates and his Pay to Play
>model.
>
>Get a clue!
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Well, my main take on it is that I don't care, I simply will not buy things
>>in a format that treats me like I'm a criminal. My secondary take on it
>is
>>that Esteban Jobs is wicked smart and managed to brow beat the record labels
>>into using his store precisely because of the DRM it had. Now that he's
>cornered
>>the market he's campaigning for the removal of the DRM because, surprise,
>>customers don't like it.
>>
>>I'm also quite sure that some day in the not too distant future when you
>>buy a car you'll have to sign and EULA that says, 'This 'motor vehicle'
>is
>>licensed, not sold, to you . . .'
>>
>>BTW I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one. I'm trying to convince
>>the Mold Monkies to release our upcoming second CD as both .ogg and .flac
>>files into the file sharing universe. I'm hoping to include a note pointing
>>people to our web site and saying only that if they like our music it would
>>be really cool if they would buy a sticker or a T-Shirt or pick up my bar
>>tab some night. I haven't completely convinced the guys, I don't write
songs
>>for this band so it's their copyright not mine, but I'm getting closer.
>
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Thad-
>>>
>>>What's your take on the idea that DRM is being foisted on all online stores
>>>by the
>>>respective rights holders/publishers?
>>>
>>>FLAC is very good. If anyone's on Mac, Amadeus will play FLAC files...
>>>
>>>Ted
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into their hardware,
>>>it's
>>>>not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs. Lincoln,
>how
>>>>was the show?'
>>>>
>>>>For higher quality audio, check out FLAC.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>>>>
>>>>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my
way
>>>>to
>>>>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of principle,
>>>>
>>>>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've been
>>>
>>>>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>
>>>>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really* like
>>
>>>>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going
>to
>>>>
>>>>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that
>>>for
>>>>
>>>>>egotism?).
>>>>>
>>>>>;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81948 is a reply to message #81946] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 09:48 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Good heavens, James, did you read my post? I said I won't buy _any_ format
>that restricts my freedoms. Not MSoft, not Apple, not anyone. Trust me,
I
>despise Microsoft a great deal more than you do, because I have to deal
with
>their hideous, bloated software all the time.
>
>Lastly, Steve Jobs is a billionaire executive in charge of a corporation
>with an $80 billion market cap. He's is specifically tasked with making
as
>much money for Apple shareholders as he can, in other words to be greedy.
>That's his job. He doesn't care about you or me or small record labels or
>artists one bit more than Steve Ballmer does.
>
> DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebian
>
>TCB
Yes of course Apple is in business to make money. However, if what you are
saying is so true, then why did he open up iTunes music store to artists,
and independent record labels? Why take up time and space featuring and
spotlighting unsigned artists. I think he is trying to help the little guy
out. How much money and effort have the major labels and MS put out and
done to help the little guy?
Give the guy a little credit.
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>So here we go again. Steve Jobs is the bad guy??? He went and beat up
>the
>>poor record companies and made them open up their libraries to Apple.
Is
>>that the way it was? I can't believe that some people will stand right
>in
>>front of the truth and deny it.
>>
>>The record companies have been pushing such crap music for the last 15
years
>>that they were in trouble. With the advent of MP3s and the increased use
>>of personal computers, the record companies could no longer maintain control
>>of their music. With P2P file sharing, and the huge salaries they were
>paying
>>the pimps to run the record companies, and the crap artists they signed,
>>they were losing revenue.
>>
>>Steve Jobs came to them with a good BUSINESS MODEL/PLAN! It was a great
>>deal for the record companies. Apple pays them on average, $0.85 per song!
>> Apple had to set up the whole infrastructure and maintain the system out
>>of pocket. Many of the songs are remastered, and Apple has the task of
>encoding
>>all of the songs.
>>
>>The reason the record companies signed with Apple is not because Steve
Jobs
>>brow beat them. They signed because it was a good deal and because they
>>were on their asses! Record companies were mismanaged and were going out
>>of business, and were being restructured at that time.
>>
>>Steve Jobs business plan worked, and has help save the record industry.
>
>>In order to get them to go for the plan, Apple had to agree to limit the
>>number of copies a user can have on a number of machines. It is a reasonable
>>number of copies! I believe it six. Unlike MS/Rapsody, where as soon
as
>>you stop paying MS, the music stops being playable. At least you get to
>>keep what you buy with iTunes, unlike MS's DRM bullshit!.
>>
>>The record companies are doing fine now, and now the greedy bastards want
>>more. They are trying to force Apple to raise prices. Jobs would like
>to
>>see them relax and open the market up more by dropping the DRM. The Pay
>>to play model sucks for consumers. It's MS's pay to play DRM that Apple
>>is fighting against. Yet you blame Apple, and accuse them of the pay
of
>>play model.
>>
>>Look at the record companies and the lock they have on music distribution
>>and Air play. Apple has tried to help artist and independent record labels
>>to get their product out there to the public. Apple has given the public
>>a place to buy music, a lot of music at a reasonable price. Apple doesn't
>>force you to buy the whole record to get one good song.
>>
>>The greedy entitled record companies have tried to screw the artists and
>>musicians out of their fair share. They are trying to squeeze everybody
>>they and their greasy lawyers can. Look at how many people the record
companies
>>and the RIAA have sued! They have their lobby group the RIAA which is
a
>>gang of thug lawyers that pushes everybody around. Impoverished kids and
>>single moms! They don't care, pay up or else! Slime!
>>
>>MS, look at the things they've done. They have stolen from Apple, netscape,
>>Sun, the list goes on, and the list is long. Look at how much they have
>>taken. They steal, then they turn around and prosecute people that copy
>>their software, when much of it was stolen by them. How many times have
>>you heard of Apple having people prosecuted?
>>
>>Yep, it's Apple that is evil, and it's Steve Jobs that is the bad guy.
>It's
>>Jobs that wants to take your freedoms away, not Gates and his Pay to Play
>>model.
>>
>>Get a clue!
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Well, my main take on it is that I don't care, I simply will not buy things
>>>in a format that treats me like I'm a criminal. My secondary take on it
>>is
>>>that Esteban Jobs is wicked smart and managed to brow beat the record
labels
>>>into using his store precisely because of the DRM it had. Now that he's
>>cornered
>>>the market he's campaigning for the removal of the DRM because, surprise,
>>>customers don't like it.
>>>
>>>I'm also quite sure that some day in the not too distant future when you
>>>buy a car you'll have to sign and EULA that says, 'This 'motor vehicle'
>>is
>>>licensed, not sold, to you . . .'
>>>
>>>BTW I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one. I'm trying to
convince
>>>the Mold Monkies to release our upcoming second CD as both .ogg and .flac
>>>files into the file sharing universe. I'm hoping to include a note pointing
>>>people to our web site and saying only that if they like our music it
would
>>>be really cool if they would buy a sticker or a T-Shirt or pick up my
bar
>>>tab some night. I haven't completely convinced the guys, I don't write
>songs
>>>for this band so it's their copyright not mine, but I'm getting closer.
>>
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Thad-
>>>>
>>>>What's your take on the idea that DRM is being foisted on all online
stores
>>>>by the
>>>>respective rights holders/publishers?
>>>>
>>>>FLAC is very good. If anyone's on Mac, Amadeus will play FLAC files...
>>>>
>>>>Ted
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into their hardware,
>>>>it's
>>>>>not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs. Lincoln,
>>how
>>>>>was the show?'
>>>>>
>>>>>For higher quality audio, check out FLAC.
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>>>>>
>>>>>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my
>way
>>>>>to
>>>>>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of principle,
>>>>>
>>>>>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've been
>>>>
>>>>>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>>
>>>>>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really* like
>>>
>>>>>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going
>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows that
>>>>for
>>>>>
>>>>>>egotism?).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81961 is a reply to message #81948] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 12:55 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Good heavens, James, did you read my post? I said I won't buy _any_ format
>>that restricts my freedoms. Not MSoft, not Apple, not anyone. Trust me,
>I
>>despise Microsoft a great deal more than you do, because I have to deal
>with
>>their hideous, bloated software all the time.
>>
>>Lastly, Steve Jobs is a billionaire executive in charge of a corporation
>>with an $80 billion market cap. He's is specifically tasked with making
>as
>>much money for Apple shareholders as he can, in other words to be greedy.
>>That's his job. He doesn't care about you or me or small record labels
or
>>artists one bit more than Steve Ballmer does.
>>
>> DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebian
>>
>>TCB
>
>Yes of course Apple is in business to make money. However, if what you
are
>saying is so true, then why did he open up iTunes music store to artists,
>and independent record labels? Why take up time and space featuring and
>spotlighting unsigned artists. I think he is trying to help the little
guy
>out. How much money and effort have the major labels and MS put out and
>done to help the little guy?
Why does he do those things? To convince as many people as he can that he's
something other than the stinking rich greedy CEO that he is.
>Give the guy a little credit.
>
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>So here we go again. Steve Jobs is the bad guy??? He went and beat up
>>the
>>>poor record companies and made them open up their libraries to Apple.
>Is
>>>that the way it was? I can't believe that some people will stand right
>>in
>>>front of the truth and deny it.
>>>
>>>The record companies have been pushing such crap music for the last 15
>years
>>>that they were in trouble. With the advent of MP3s and the increased
use
>>>of personal computers, the record companies could no longer maintain control
>>>of their music. With P2P file sharing, and the huge salaries they were
>>paying
>>>the pimps to run the record companies, and the crap artists they signed,
>>>they were losing revenue.
>>>
>>>Steve Jobs came to them with a good BUSINESS MODEL/PLAN! It was a great
>>>deal for the record companies. Apple pays them on average, $0.85 per
song!
>>> Apple had to set up the whole infrastructure and maintain the system
out
>>>of pocket. Many of the songs are remastered, and Apple has the task of
>>encoding
>>>all of the songs.
>>>
>>>The reason the record companies signed with Apple is not because Steve
>Jobs
>>>brow beat them. They signed because it was a good deal and because they
>>>were on their asses! Record companies were mismanaged and were going
out
>>>of business, and were being restructured at that time.
>>>
>>>Steve Jobs business plan worked, and has help save the record industry.
>>
>>>In order to get them to go for the plan, Apple had to agree to limit the
>>>number of copies a user can have on a number of machines. It is a reasonable
>>>number of copies! I believe it six. Unlike MS/Rapsody, where as soon
>as
>>>you stop paying MS, the music stops being playable. At least you get
to
>>>keep what you buy with iTunes, unlike MS's DRM bullshit!.
>>>
>>>The record companies are doing fine now, and now the greedy bastards want
>>>more. They are trying to force Apple to raise prices. Jobs would like
>>to
>>>see them relax and open the market up more by dropping the DRM. The Pay
>>>to play model sucks for consumers. It's MS's pay to play DRM that Apple
>>>is fighting against. Yet you blame Apple, and accuse them of the pay
>of
>>>play model.
>>>
>>>Look at the record companies and the lock they have on music distribution
>>>and Air play. Apple has tried to help artist and independent record labels
>>>to get their product out there to the public. Apple has given the public
>>>a place to buy music, a lot of music at a reasonable price. Apple doesn't
>>>force you to buy the whole record to get one good song.
>>>
>>>The greedy entitled record companies have tried to screw the artists and
>>>musicians out of their fair share. They are trying to squeeze everybody
>>>they and their greasy lawyers can. Look at how many people the record
>companies
>>>and the RIAA have sued! They have their lobby group the RIAA which is
>a
>>>gang of thug lawyers that pushes everybody around. Impoverished kids
and
>>>single moms! They don't care, pay up or else! Slime!
>>>
>>>MS, look at the things they've done. They have stolen from Apple, netscape,
>>>Sun, the list goes on, and the list is long. Look at how much they have
>>>taken. They steal, then they turn around and prosecute people that copy
>>>their software, when much of it was stolen by them. How many times have
>>>you heard of Apple having people prosecuted?
>>>
>>>Yep, it's Apple that is evil, and it's Steve Jobs that is the bad guy.
>
>>It's
>>>Jobs that wants to take your freedoms away, not Gates and his Pay to Play
>>>model.
>>>
>>>Get a clue!
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Well, my main take on it is that I don't care, I simply will not buy
things
>>>>in a format that treats me like I'm a criminal. My secondary take on
it
>>>is
>>>>that Esteban Jobs is wicked smart and managed to brow beat the record
>labels
>>>>into using his store precisely because of the DRM it had. Now that he's
>>>cornered
>>>>the market he's campaigning for the removal of the DRM because, surprise,
>>>>customers don't like it.
>>>>
>>>>I'm also quite sure that some day in the not too distant future when
you
>>>>buy a car you'll have to sign and EULA that says, 'This 'motor vehicle'
>>>is
>>>>licensed, not sold, to you . . .'
>>>>
>>>>BTW I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one. I'm trying to
>convince
>>>>the Mold Monkies to release our upcoming second CD as both .ogg and .flac
>>>>files into the file sharing universe. I'm hoping to include a note pointing
>>>>people to our web site and saying only that if they like our music it
>would
>>>>be really cool if they would buy a sticker or a T-Shirt or pick up my
>bar
>>>>tab some night. I haven't completely convinced the guys, I don't write
>>songs
>>>>for this band so it's their copyright not mine, but I'm getting closer.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Thad-
>>>>>
>>>>>What's your take on the idea that DRM is being foisted on all online
>stores
>>>>>by the
>>>>>respective rights holders/publishers?
>>>>>
>>>>>FLAC is very good. If anyone's on Mac, Amadeus will play FLAC files...
>>>>>
>>>>>Ted
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into their hardware,
>>>>>it's
>>>>>>not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs. Lincoln,
>>>how
>>>>>>was the show?'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For higher quality audio, check out FLAC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of my
>>way
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of
principle,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've
been
>>>>>
>>>>>>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>>>
>>>>>>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really* like
>>>>
>>>>>>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going
>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows
that
>>>>>for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>egotism?).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #81967 is a reply to message #81961] |
Thu, 22 March 2007 15:53 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>Good heavens, James, did you read my post? I said I won't buy _any_ format
>>>that restricts my freedoms. Not MSoft, not Apple, not anyone. Trust me,
>>I
>>>despise Microsoft a great deal more than you do, because I have to deal
>>with
>>>their hideous, bloated software all the time.
>>>
>>>Lastly, Steve Jobs is a billionaire executive in charge of a corporation
>>>with an $80 billion market cap. He's is specifically tasked with making
>>as
>>>much money for Apple shareholders as he can, in other words to be greedy.
>>>That's his job. He doesn't care about you or me or small record labels
>or
>>>artists one bit more than Steve Ballmer does.
>>>
>>> DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebian
>>>
>>>TCB
>>
>>Yes of course Apple is in business to make money. However, if what you
>are
>>saying is so true, then why did he open up iTunes music store to artists,
>>and independent record labels? Why take up time and space featuring and
>>spotlighting unsigned artists. I think he is trying to help the little
>guy
>>out. How much money and effort have the major labels and MS put out and
>>done to help the little guy?
>
>Why does he do those things? To convince as many people as he can that he's
>something other than the stinking rich greedy CEO that he is.
That one dollar a year CEO salary sure is greedy. I guess you'll say that
his salary is just for appearances. So how many CEOs take one dollar a year
for their salary? How about taking one dollar for ten years? I'd like to
have seen Gates take one dollar a year for ten years. I guess it will always
be some kind of wrong reasoning and a jab.
>
>>Give the guy a little credit.
>>
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>So here we go again. Steve Jobs is the bad guy??? He went and beat
up
>>>the
>>>>poor record companies and made them open up their libraries to Apple.
>
>>Is
>>>>that the way it was? I can't believe that some people will stand right
>>>in
>>>>front of the truth and deny it.
>>>>
>>>>The record companies have been pushing such crap music for the last 15
>>years
>>>>that they were in trouble. With the advent of MP3s and the increased
>use
>>>>of personal computers, the record companies could no longer maintain
control
>>>>of their music. With P2P file sharing, and the huge salaries they were
>>>paying
>>>>the pimps to run the record companies, and the crap artists they signed,
>>>>they were losing revenue.
>>>>
>>>>Steve Jobs came to them with a good BUSINESS MODEL/PLAN! It was a great
>>>>deal for the record companies. Apple pays them on average, $0.85 per
>song!
>>>> Apple had to set up the whole infrastructure and maintain the system
>out
>>>>of pocket. Many of the songs are remastered, and Apple has the task
of
>>>encoding
>>>>all of the songs.
>>>>
>>>>The reason the record companies signed with Apple is not because Steve
>>Jobs
>>>>brow beat them. They signed because it was a good deal and because they
>>>>were on their asses! Record companies were mismanaged and were going
>out
>>>>of business, and were being restructured at that time.
>>>>
>>>>Steve Jobs business plan worked, and has help save the record industry.
>>>
>>>>In order to get them to go for the plan, Apple had to agree to limit
the
>>>>number of copies a user can have on a number of machines. It is a reasonable
>>>>number of copies! I believe it six. Unlike MS/Rapsody, where as soon
>>as
>>>>you stop paying MS, the music stops being playable. At least you get
>to
>>>>keep what you buy with iTunes, unlike MS's DRM bullshit!.
>>>>
>>>>The record companies are doing fine now, and now the greedy bastards
want
>>>>more. They are trying to force Apple to raise prices. Jobs would like
>>>to
>>>>see them relax and open the market up more by dropping the DRM. The
Pay
>>>>to play model sucks for consumers. It's MS's pay to play DRM that Apple
>>>>is fighting against. Yet you blame Apple, and accuse them of the pay
>>of
>>>>play model.
>>>>
>>>>Look at the record companies and the lock they have on music distribution
>>>>and Air play. Apple has tried to help artist and independent record
labels
>>>>to get their product out there to the public. Apple has given the public
>>>>a place to buy music, a lot of music at a reasonable price. Apple doesn't
>>>>force you to buy the whole record to get one good song.
>>>>
>>>>The greedy entitled record companies have tried to screw the artists
and
>>>>musicians out of their fair share. They are trying to squeeze everybody
>>>>they and their greasy lawyers can. Look at how many people the record
>>companies
>>>>and the RIAA have sued! They have their lobby group the RIAA which is
>>a
>>>>gang of thug lawyers that pushes everybody around. Impoverished kids
>and
>>>>single moms! They don't care, pay up or else! Slime!
>>>>
>>>>MS, look at the things they've done. They have stolen from Apple, netscape,
>>>>Sun, the list goes on, and the list is long. Look at how much they
have
>>>>taken. They steal, then they turn around and prosecute people that copy
>>>>their software, when much of it was stolen by them. How many times have
>>>>you heard of Apple having people prosecuted?
>>>>
>>>>Yep, it's Apple that is evil, and it's Steve Jobs that is the bad guy.
>>
>>>It's
>>>>Jobs that wants to take your freedoms away, not Gates and his Pay to
Play
>>>>model.
>>>>
>>>>Get a clue!
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, my main take on it is that I don't care, I simply will not buy
>things
>>>>>in a format that treats me like I'm a criminal. My secondary take on
>it
>>>>is
>>>>>that Esteban Jobs is wicked smart and managed to brow beat the record
>>labels
>>>>>into using his store precisely because of the DRM it had. Now that he's
>>>>cornered
>>>>>the market he's campaigning for the removal of the DRM because, surprise,
>>>>>customers don't like it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm also quite sure that some day in the not too distant future when
>you
>>>>>buy a car you'll have to sign and EULA that says, 'This 'motor vehicle'
>>>>is
>>>>>licensed, not sold, to you . . .'
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one. I'm trying to
>>convince
>>>>>the Mold Monkies to release our upcoming second CD as both .ogg and
.flac
>>>>>files into the file sharing universe. I'm hoping to include a note pointing
>>>>>people to our web site and saying only that if they like our music it
>>would
>>>>>be really cool if they would buy a sticker or a T-Shirt or pick up my
>>bar
>>>>>tab some night. I haven't completely convinced the guys, I don't write
>>>songs
>>>>>for this band so it's their copyright not mine, but I'm getting closer.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thad-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What's your take on the idea that DRM is being foisted on all online
>>stores
>>>>>>by the
>>>>>>respective rights holders/publishers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>FLAC is very good. If anyone's on Mac, Amadeus will play FLAC files...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ted
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into their hardware,
>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs. Lincoln,
>>>>how
>>>>>>>was the show?'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For higher quality audio, check out FLAC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of
my
>>>way
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of
>principle,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've
>been
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>>>>
>>>>>>>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really*
like
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going
>>>>to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows
>that
>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>egotism?).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
|
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #82004 is a reply to message #81967] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 07:15 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
The $1 salary is a publicity stunt. He has options worth well over half a
billion.
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1590
TCB
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Good heavens, James, did you read my post? I said I won't buy _any_ format
>>>>that restricts my freedoms. Not MSoft, not Apple, not anyone. Trust me,
>>>I
>>>>despise Microsoft a great deal more than you do, because I have to deal
>>>with
>>>>their hideous, bloated software all the time.
>>>>
>>>>Lastly, Steve Jobs is a billionaire executive in charge of a corporation
>>>>with an $80 billion market cap. He's is specifically tasked with making
>>>as
>>>>much money for Apple shareholders as he can, in other words to be greedy.
>>>>That's his job. He doesn't care about you or me or small record labels
>>or
>>>>artists one bit more than Steve Ballmer does.
>>>>
>>>> DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebian
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>
>>>Yes of course Apple is in business to make money. However, if what you
>>are
>>>saying is so true, then why did he open up iTunes music store to artists,
>>>and independent record labels? Why take up time and space featuring and
>>>spotlighting unsigned artists. I think he is trying to help the little
>>guy
>>>out. How much money and effort have the major labels and MS put out and
>>>done to help the little guy?
>>
>>Why does he do those things? To convince as many people as he can that
he's
>>something other than the stinking rich greedy CEO that he is.
>
>
>That one dollar a year CEO salary sure is greedy. I guess you'll say that
>his salary is just for appearances. So how many CEOs take one dollar a
year
>for their salary? How about taking one dollar for ten years? I'd like
to
>have seen Gates take one dollar a year for ten years. I guess it will always
>be some kind of wrong reasoning and a jab.
>
>>
>>>Give the guy a little credit.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>So here we go again. Steve Jobs is the bad guy??? He went and beat
>up
>>>>the
>>>>>poor record companies and made them open up their libraries to Apple.
>>
>>>Is
>>>>>that the way it was? I can't believe that some people will stand right
>>>>in
>>>>>front of the truth and deny it.
>>>>>
>>>>>The record companies have been pushing such crap music for the last
15
>>>years
>>>>>that they were in trouble. With the advent of MP3s and the increased
>>use
>>>>>of personal computers, the record companies could no longer maintain
>control
>>>>>of their music. With P2P file sharing, and the huge salaries they were
>>>>paying
>>>>>the pimps to run the record companies, and the crap artists they signed,
>>>>>they were losing revenue.
>>>>>
>>>>>Steve Jobs came to them with a good BUSINESS MODEL/PLAN! It was a great
>>>>>deal for the record companies. Apple pays them on average, $0.85 per
>>song!
>>>>> Apple had to set up the whole infrastructure and maintain the system
>>out
>>>>>of pocket. Many of the songs are remastered, and Apple has the task
>of
>>>>encoding
>>>>>all of the songs.
>>>>>
>>>>>The reason the record companies signed with Apple is not because Steve
>>>Jobs
>>>>>brow beat them. They signed because it was a good deal and because
they
>>>>>were on their asses! Record companies were mismanaged and were going
>>out
>>>>>of business, and were being restructured at that time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Steve Jobs business plan worked, and has help save the record industry.
>>>>
>>>>>In order to get them to go for the plan, Apple had to agree to limit
>the
>>>>>number of copies a user can have on a number of machines. It is a reasonable
>>>>>number of copies! I believe it six. Unlike MS/Rapsody, where as soon
>>>as
>>>>>you stop paying MS, the music stops being playable. At least you get
>>to
>>>>>keep what you buy with iTunes, unlike MS's DRM bullshit!.
>>>>>
>>>>>The record companies are doing fine now, and now the greedy bastards
>want
>>>>>more. They are trying to force Apple to raise prices. Jobs would like
>>>>to
>>>>>see them relax and open the market up more by dropping the DRM. The
>Pay
>>>>>to play model sucks for consumers. It's MS's pay to play DRM that Apple
>>>>>is fighting against. Yet you blame Apple, and accuse them of the pay
>>>of
>>>>>play model.
>>>>>
>>>>>Look at the record companies and the lock they have on music distribution
>>>>>and Air play. Apple has tried to help artist and independent record
>labels
>>>>>to get their product out there to the public. Apple has given the public
>>>>>a place to buy music, a lot of music at a reasonable price. Apple doesn't
>>>>>force you to buy the whole record to get one good song.
>>>>>
>>>>>The greedy entitled record companies have tried to screw the artists
>and
>>>>>musicians out of their fair share. They are trying to squeeze everybody
>>>>>they and their greasy lawyers can. Look at how many people the record
>>>companies
>>>>>and the RIAA have sued! They have their lobby group the RIAA which
is
>>>a
>>>>>gang of thug lawyers that pushes everybody around. Impoverished kids
>>and
>>>>>single moms! They don't care, pay up or else! Slime!
>>>>>
>>>>>MS, look at the things they've done. They have stolen from Apple, netscape,
>>>>>Sun, the list goes on, and the list is long. Look at how much they
>have
>>>>>taken. They steal, then they turn around and prosecute people that
copy
>>>>>their software, when much of it was stolen by them. How many times
have
>>>>>you heard of Apple having people prosecuted?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yep, it's Apple that is evil, and it's Steve Jobs that is the bad guy.
>>>
>>>>It's
>>>>>Jobs that wants to take your freedoms away, not Gates and his Pay to
>Play
>>>>>model.
>>>>>
>>>>>Get a clue!
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, my main take on it is that I don't care, I simply will not buy
>>things
>>>>>>in a format that treats me like I'm a criminal. My secondary take on
>>it
>>>>>is
>>>>>>that Esteban Jobs is wicked smart and managed to brow beat the record
>>>labels
>>>>>>into using his store precisely because of the DRM it had. Now that
he's
>>>>>cornered
>>>>>>the market he's campaigning for the removal of the DRM because, surprise,
>>>>>>customers don't like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm also quite sure that some day in the not too distant future when
>>you
>>>>>>buy a car you'll have to sign and EULA that says, 'This 'motor vehicle'
>>>>>is
>>>>>>licensed, not sold, to you . . .'
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one. I'm trying
to
>>>convince
>>>>>>the Mold Monkies to release our upcoming second CD as both .ogg and
>flac
>>>>>>files into the file sharing universe. I'm hoping to include a note
pointing
>>>>>>people to our web site and saying only that if they like our music
it
>>>would
>>>>>>be really cool if they would buy a sticker or a T-Shirt or pick up
my
>>>bar
>>>>>>tab some night. I haven't completely convinced the guys, I don't write
>>>>songs
>>>>>>for this band so it's their copyright not mine, but I'm getting closer.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thad-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What's your take on the idea that DRM is being foisted on all online
>>>stores
>>>>>>>by the
>>>>>>>respective rights holders/publishers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>FLAC is very good. If anyone's on Mac, Amadeus will play FLAC files...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Ted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into their hardware,
>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs. Lincoln,
>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>was the show?'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For higher quality audio, check out FLAC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of
>my
>>>>way
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter of
>>principle,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've
>>been
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really*
>like
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were going
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows
>>that
>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>egotism?).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #82021 is a reply to message #82004] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 09:48 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>The $1 salary is a publicity stunt. He has options worth well over half
a
>billion.
>
>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1590
>
>TCB
I don't believe he has exercised his options yet. The company also bought
a 45 million dollar gulf stream for him to use for business. He doesn't
own the jet the company does. What did Gates and Balmer make last year?
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Good heavens, James, did you read my post? I said I won't buy _any_
format
>>>>>that restricts my freedoms. Not MSoft, not Apple, not anyone. Trust
me,
>>>>I
>>>>>despise Microsoft a great deal more than you do, because I have to deal
>>>>with
>>>>>their hideous, bloated software all the time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Lastly, Steve Jobs is a billionaire executive in charge of a corporation
>>>>>with an $80 billion market cap. He's is specifically tasked with making
>>>>as
>>>>>much money for Apple shareholders as he can, in other words to be greedy.
>>>>>That's his job. He doesn't care about you or me or small record labels
>>>or
>>>>>artists one bit more than Steve Ballmer does.
>>>>>
>>>>> DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebian
>>>>>
>>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>Yes of course Apple is in business to make money. However, if what you
>>>are
>>>>saying is so true, then why did he open up iTunes music store to artists,
>>>>and independent record labels? Why take up time and space featuring
and
>>>>spotlighting unsigned artists. I think he is trying to help the little
>>>guy
>>>>out. How much money and effort have the major labels and MS put out
and
>>>>done to help the little guy?
>>>
>>>Why does he do those things? To convince as many people as he can that
>he's
>>>something other than the stinking rich greedy CEO that he is.
>>
>>
>>That one dollar a year CEO salary sure is greedy. I guess you'll say that
>>his salary is just for appearances. So how many CEOs take one dollar a
>year
>>for their salary? How about taking one dollar for ten years? I'd like
>to
>>have seen Gates take one dollar a year for ten years. I guess it will
always
>>be some kind of wrong reasoning and a jab.
>>
>>>
>>>>Give the guy a little credit.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So here we go again. Steve Jobs is the bad guy??? He went and beat
>>up
>>>>>the
>>>>>>poor record companies and made them open up their libraries to Apple.
>>>
>>>>Is
>>>>>>that the way it was? I can't believe that some people will stand right
>>>>>in
>>>>>>front of the truth and deny it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The record companies have been pushing such crap music for the last
>15
>>>>years
>>>>>>that they were in trouble. With the advent of MP3s and the increased
>>>use
>>>>>>of personal computers, the record companies could no longer maintain
>>control
>>>>>>of their music. With P2P file sharing, and the huge salaries they
were
>>>>>paying
>>>>>>the pimps to run the record companies, and the crap artists they signed,
>>>>>>they were losing revenue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Steve Jobs came to them with a good BUSINESS MODEL/PLAN! It was a
great
>>>>>>deal for the record companies. Apple pays them on average, $0.85 per
>>>song!
>>>>>> Apple had to set up the whole infrastructure and maintain the system
>>>out
>>>>>>of pocket. Many of the songs are remastered, and Apple has the task
>>of
>>>>>encoding
>>>>>>all of the songs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The reason the record companies signed with Apple is not because Steve
>>>>Jobs
>>>>>>brow beat them. They signed because it was a good deal and because
>they
>>>>>>were on their asses! Record companies were mismanaged and were going
>>>out
>>>>>>of business, and were being restructured at that time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Steve Jobs business plan worked, and has help save the record industry.
>>>>>
>>>>>>In order to get them to go for the plan, Apple had to agree to limit
>>the
>>>>>>number of copies a user can have on a number of machines. It is a
reasonable
>>>>>>number of copies! I believe it six. Unlike MS/Rapsody, where as soon
>>>>as
>>>>>>you stop paying MS, the music stops being playable. At least you get
>>>to
>>>>>>keep what you buy with iTunes, unlike MS's DRM bullshit!.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The record companies are doing fine now, and now the greedy bastards
>>want
>>>>>>more. They are trying to force Apple to raise prices. Jobs would
like
>>>>>to
>>>>>>see them relax and open the market up more by dropping the DRM. The
>>Pay
>>>>>>to play model sucks for consumers. It's MS's pay to play DRM that
Apple
>>>>>>is fighting against. Yet you blame Apple, and accuse them of the
pay
>>>>of
>>>>>>play model.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Look at the record companies and the lock they have on music distribution
>>>>>>and Air play. Apple has tried to help artist and independent record
>>labels
>>>>>>to get their product out there to the public. Apple has given the
public
>>>>>>a place to buy music, a lot of music at a reasonable price. Apple
doesn't
>>>>>>force you to buy the whole record to get one good song.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The greedy entitled record companies have tried to screw the artists
>>and
>>>>>>musicians out of their fair share. They are trying to squeeze everybody
>>>>>>they and their greasy lawyers can. Look at how many people the record
>>>>companies
>>>>>>and the RIAA have sued! They have their lobby group the RIAA which
>is
>>>>a
>>>>>>gang of thug lawyers that pushes everybody around. Impoverished kids
>>>and
>>>>>>single moms! They don't care, pay up or else! Slime!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>MS, look at the things they've done. They have stolen from Apple,
netscape,
>>>>>>Sun, the list goes on, and the list is long. Look at how much they
>>have
>>>>>>taken. They steal, then they turn around and prosecute people that
>copy
>>>>>>their software, when much of it was stolen by them. How many times
>have
>>>>>>you heard of Apple having people prosecuted?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yep, it's Apple that is evil, and it's Steve Jobs that is the bad guy.
>>>>
>>>>>It's
>>>>>>Jobs that wants to take your freedoms away, not Gates and his Pay to
>>Play
>>>>>>model.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Get a clue!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well, my main take on it is that I don't care, I simply will not buy
>>>things
>>>>>>>in a format that treats me like I'm a criminal. My secondary take
on
>>>it
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>that Esteban Jobs is wicked smart and managed to brow beat the record
>>>>labels
>>>>>>>into using his store precisely because of the DRM it had. Now that
>he's
>>>>>>cornered
>>>>>>>the market he's campaigning for the removal of the DRM because, surprise,
>>>>>>>customers don't like it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm also quite sure that some day in the not too distant future when
>>>you
>>>>>>>buy a car you'll have to sign and EULA that says, 'This 'motor vehicle'
>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>licensed, not sold, to you . . .'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>BTW I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one. I'm trying
>to
>>>>convince
>>>>>>>the Mold Monkies to release our upcoming second CD as both .ogg and
>>flac
>>>>>>>files into the file sharing universe. I'm hoping to include a note
>pointing
>>>>>>>people to our web site and saying only that if they like our music
>it
>>>>would
>>>>>>>be really cool if they would buy a sticker or a T-Shirt or pick up
>my
>>>>bar
>>>>>>>tab some night. I haven't completely convinced the guys, I don't write
>>>>>songs
>>>>>>>for this band so it's their copyright not mine, but I'm getting closer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thad-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What's your take on the idea that DRM is being foisted on all online
>>>>stores
>>>>>>>>by the
>>>>>>>>respective rights holders/publishers?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>FLAC is very good. If anyone's on Mac, Amadeus will play FLAC files...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Ted
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into their hardware,
>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs. Lincoln,
>>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>>was the show?'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>For higher quality audio, check out FLAC.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of
>>my
>>>>>way
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter
of
>>>principle,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've
>>>been
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years behind
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really*
>>like
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were
going
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows
>>>that
>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>egotism?).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
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| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #82023 is a reply to message #82021] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 09:36 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
I'm going to make a semi-educated wild guess that SJ's reason for this is
either some tax shelter
advantage, and/or the deal he cut with the board when signing on with Apple
this time - $1 salary
in exchange for stock options, etc worth much more. The $1 salary is likely
there so he is listed
as an employee rather than volunteer. I seriously doubt there was any other
reason
than the pure legality and financial advantages to him and the company. I
seriously doubt his salary
would impact the company's bottom line enough to be an act of charity. And
though it could
be a publicity stunt, that seems less than likely as well.
Comparing salaries isn't a way to evaluate greed or charity.
Gates and others have contributed a lot to education and other charities -
don't know about SJ.
I'm not impressed by extreme wealth, but even so, I think it's a bit
difficult to judge either Bill or Steve's
motivations from a sizable distance.
There are just too many examples of excessive salaries, stock options and
personal wealth in many
industries to point fingers in any one direction.
Regards,
Dedric
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4603f6b7$1@linux...
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>The $1 salary is a publicity stunt. He has options worth well over half
> a
>>billion.
>>
>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1590
>>
>>TCB
>
> I don't believe he has exercised his options yet. The company also bought
> a 45 million dollar gulf stream for him to use for business. He doesn't
> own the jet the company does. What did Gates and Balmer make last year?
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good heavens, James, did you read my post? I said I won't buy _any_
> format
>>>>>>that restricts my freedoms. Not MSoft, not Apple, not anyone. Trust
> me,
>>>>>I
>>>>>>despise Microsoft a great deal more than you do, because I have to
>>>>>>deal
>>>>>with
>>>>>>their hideous, bloated software all the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Lastly, Steve Jobs is a billionaire executive in charge of a
>>>>>>corporation
>>>>>>with an $80 billion market cap. He's is specifically tasked with
>>>>>>making
>>>>>as
>>>>>>much money for Apple shareholders as he can, in other words to be
>>>>>>greedy.
>>>>>>That's his job. He doesn't care about you or me or small record labels
>>>>or
>>>>>>artists one bit more than Steve Ballmer does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes of course Apple is in business to make money. However, if what you
>>>>are
>>>>>saying is so true, then why did he open up iTunes music store to
>>>>>artists,
>>>>>and independent record labels? Why take up time and space featuring
> and
>>>>>spotlighting unsigned artists. I think he is trying to help the little
>>>>guy
>>>>>out. How much money and effort have the major labels and MS put out
> and
>>>>>done to help the little guy?
>>>>
>>>>Why does he do those things? To convince as many people as he can that
>>he's
>>>>something other than the stinking rich greedy CEO that he is.
>>>
>>>
>>>That one dollar a year CEO salary sure is greedy. I guess you'll say
>>>that
>>>his salary is just for appearances. So how many CEOs take one dollar a
>>year
>>>for their salary? How about taking one dollar for ten years? I'd like
>>to
>>>have seen Gates take one dollar a year for ten years. I guess it will
> always
>>>be some kind of wrong reasoning and a jab.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Give the guy a little credit.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So here we go again. Steve Jobs is the bad guy??? He went and beat
>>>up
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>poor record companies and made them open up their libraries to Apple.
>>>>
>>>>>Is
>>>>>>>that the way it was? I can't believe that some people will stand
>>>>>>>right
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>front of the truth and deny it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The record companies have been pushing such crap music for the last
>>15
>>>>>years
>>>>>>>that they were in trouble. With the advent of MP3s and the increased
>>>>use
>>>>>>>of personal computers, the record companies could no longer maintain
>>>control
>>>>>>>of their music. With P2P file sharing, and the huge salaries they
> were
>>>>>>paying
>>>>>>>the pimps to run the record companies, and the crap artists they
>>>>>>>signed,
>>>>>>>they were losing revenue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Steve Jobs came to them with a good BUSINESS MODEL/PLAN! It was a
> great
>>>>>>>deal for the record companies. Apple pays them on average, $0.85 per
>>>>song!
>>>>>>> Apple had to set up the whole infrastructure and maintain the system
>>>>out
>>>>>>>of pocket. Many of the songs are remastered, and Apple has the task
>>>of
>>>>>>encoding
>>>>>>>all of the songs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The reason the record companies signed with Apple is not because
>>>>>>>Steve
>>>>>Jobs
>>>>>>>brow beat them. They signed because it was a good deal and because
>>they
>>>>>>>were on their asses! Record companies were mismanaged and were going
>>>>out
>>>>>>>of business, and were being restructured at that time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Steve Jobs business plan worked, and has help save the record
>>>>>>>industry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In order to get them to go for the plan, Apple had to agree to limit
>>>the
>>>>>>>number of copies a user can have on a number of machines. It is a
> reasonable
>>>>>>>number of copies! I believe it six. Unlike MS/Rapsody, where as
>>>>>>>soon
>>>>>as
>>>>>>>you stop paying MS, the music stops being playable. At least you get
>>>>to
>>>>>>>keep what you buy with iTunes, unlike MS's DRM bullshit!.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The record companies are doing fine now, and now the greedy bastards
>>>want
>>>>>>>more. They are trying to force Apple to raise prices. Jobs would
> like
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>see them relax and open the market up more by dropping the DRM. The
>>>Pay
>>>>>>>to play model sucks for consumers. It's MS's pay to play DRM that
> Apple
>>>>>>>is fighting against. Yet you blame Apple, and accuse them of the
> pay
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>play model.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Look at the record companies and the lock they have on music
>>>>>>>distribution
>>>>>>>and Air play. Apple has tried to help artist and independent record
>>>labels
>>>>>>>to get their product out there to the public. Apple has given the
> public
>>>>>>>a place to buy music, a lot of music at a reasonable price. Apple
> doesn't
>>>>>>>force you to buy the whole record to get one good song.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The greedy entitled record companies have tried to screw the artists
>>>and
>>>>>>>musicians out of their fair share. They are trying to squeeze
>>>>>>>everybody
>>>>>>>they and their greasy lawyers can. Look at how many people the
>>>>>>>record
>>>>>companies
>>>>>>>and the RIAA have sued! They have their lobby group the RIAA which
>>is
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>gang of thug lawyers that pushes everybody around. Impoverished kids
>>>>and
>>>>>>>single moms! They don't care, pay up or else! Slime!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>MS, look at the things they've done. They have stolen from Apple,
> netscape,
>>>>>>>Sun, the list goes on, and the list is long. Look at how much they
>>>have
>>>>>>>taken. They steal, then they turn around and prosecute people that
>>copy
>>>>>>>their software, when much of it was stolen by them. How many times
>>have
>>>>>>>you heard of Apple having people prosecuted?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yep, it's Apple that is evil, and it's Steve Jobs that is the bad
>>>>>>>guy.
>>>>>
>>>>>>It's
>>>>>>>Jobs that wants to take your freedoms away, not Gates and his Pay to
>>>Play
>>>>>>>model.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Get a clue!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, my main take on it is that I don't care, I simply will not buy
>>>>things
>>>>>>>>in a format that treats me like I'm a criminal. My secondary take
> on
>>>>it
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>that Esteban Jobs is wicked smart and managed to brow beat the
>>>>>>>>record
>>>>>labels
>>>>>>>>into using his store precisely because of the DRM it had. Now that
>>he's
>>>>>>>cornered
>>>>>>>>the market he's campaigning for the removal of the DRM because,
>>>>>>>>surprise,
>>>>>>>>customers don't like it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm also quite sure that some day in the not too distant future when
>>>>you
>>>>>>>>buy a car you'll have to sign and EULA that says, 'This 'motor
>>>>>>>>vehicle'
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>licensed, not sold, to you . . .'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>BTW I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one. I'm trying
>>to
>>>>>convince
>>>>>>>>the Mold Monkies to release our upcoming second CD as both .ogg and
>>>flac
>>>>>>>>files into the file sharing universe. I'm hoping to include a note
>>pointing
>>>>>>>>people to our web site and saying only that if they like our music
>>it
>>>>>would
>>>>>>>>be really cool if they would buy a sticker or a T-Shirt or pick up
>>my
>>>>>bar
>>>>>>>>tab some night. I haven't completely convinced the guys, I don't
>>>>>>>>write
>>>>>>songs
>>>>>>>>for this band so it's their copyright not mine, but I'm getting
>>>>>>>>closer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thad-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What's your take on the idea that DRM is being foisted on all
>>>>>>>>>online
>>>>>stores
>>>>>>>>>by the
>>>>>>>>>respective rights holders/publishers?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>FLAC is very good. If anyone's on Mac, Amadeus will play FLAC
>>>>>>>>>files...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ted
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into their
>>>>>>>>>>hardware,
>>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>>not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs.
>>>>>>>>>>Lincoln,
>>>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>>>was the show?'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>For higher quality audio, check out FLAC.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to
>>>>>>>>>>>compressed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out of
>>>my
>>>>>>way
>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter
> of
>>>>principle,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've
>>>>been
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years
>>>>>>>>>>>behind
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really*
>>>like
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were
> going
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>egotism?).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
|
|
|
|
| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #82024 is a reply to message #82021] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 10:54 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>The $1 salary is a publicity stunt. He has options worth well over half
>a
>>billion.
>>
>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1590
>>
>>TCB
>
>I don't believe he has exercised his options yet. The company also bought
>a 45 million dollar gulf stream for him to use for business. He doesn't
>own the jet the company does. What did Gates and Balmer make last year?
I don't know and it has no more to do with the question than how much I made
last year. As the CEO of a publicly traded company it's his _job_ to do everything
legally possible to maximize profits or, in other words, to be greedy. If
he's not being greedy then he's not doing his job. And, from the standpoint
of shareholder value he has been a magnificent success.
TCB
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Good heavens, James, did you read my post? I said I won't buy _any_
>format
>>>>>>that restricts my freedoms. Not MSoft, not Apple, not anyone. Trust
>me,
>>>>>I
>>>>>>despise Microsoft a great deal more than you do, because I have to
deal
>>>>>with
>>>>>>their hideous, bloated software all the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Lastly, Steve Jobs is a billionaire executive in charge of a corporation
>>>>>>with an $80 billion market cap. He's is specifically tasked with making
>>>>>as
>>>>>>much money for Apple shareholders as he can, in other words to be greedy.
>>>>>>That's his job. He doesn't care about you or me or small record labels
>>>>or
>>>>>>artists one bit more than Steve Ballmer does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebian
>>>>>>
>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes of course Apple is in business to make money. However, if what
you
>>>>are
>>>>>saying is so true, then why did he open up iTunes music store to artists,
>>>>>and independent record labels? Why take up time and space featuring
>and
>>>>>spotlighting unsigned artists. I think he is trying to help the little
>>>>guy
>>>>>out. How much money and effort have the major labels and MS put out
>and
>>>>>done to help the little guy?
>>>>
>>>>Why does he do those things? To convince as many people as he can that
>>he's
>>>>something other than the stinking rich greedy CEO that he is.
>>>
>>>
>>>That one dollar a year CEO salary sure is greedy. I guess you'll say
that
>>>his salary is just for appearances. So how many CEOs take one dollar
a
>>year
>>>for their salary? How about taking one dollar for ten years? I'd like
>>to
>>>have seen Gates take one dollar a year for ten years. I guess it will
>always
>>>be some kind of wrong reasoning and a jab.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Give the guy a little credit.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So here we go again. Steve Jobs is the bad guy??? He went and beat
>>>up
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>poor record companies and made them open up their libraries to Apple.
>>>>
>>>>>Is
>>>>>>>that the way it was? I can't believe that some people will stand
right
>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>front of the truth and deny it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The record companies have been pushing such crap music for the last
>>15
>>>>>years
>>>>>>>that they were in trouble. With the advent of MP3s and the increased
>>>>use
>>>>>>>of personal computers, the record companies could no longer maintain
>>>control
>>>>>>>of their music. With P2P file sharing, and the huge salaries they
>were
>>>>>>paying
>>>>>>>the pimps to run the record companies, and the crap artists they signed,
>>>>>>>they were losing revenue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Steve Jobs came to them with a good BUSINESS MODEL/PLAN! It was a
>great
>>>>>>>deal for the record companies. Apple pays them on average, $0.85
per
>>>>song!
>>>>>>> Apple had to set up the whole infrastructure and maintain the system
>>>>out
>>>>>>>of pocket. Many of the songs are remastered, and Apple has the task
>>>of
>>>>>>encoding
>>>>>>>all of the songs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The reason the record companies signed with Apple is not because Steve
>>>>>Jobs
>>>>>>>brow beat them. They signed because it was a good deal and because
>>they
>>>>>>>were on their asses! Record companies were mismanaged and were going
>>>>out
>>>>>>>of business, and were being restructured at that time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Steve Jobs business plan worked, and has help save the record industry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In order to get them to go for the plan, Apple had to agree to limit
>>>the
>>>>>>>number of copies a user can have on a number of machines. It is a
>reasonable
>>>>>>>number of copies! I believe it six. Unlike MS/Rapsody, where as
soon
>>>>>as
>>>>>>>you stop paying MS, the music stops being playable. At least you
get
>>>>to
>>>>>>>keep what you buy with iTunes, unlike MS's DRM bullshit!.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The record companies are doing fine now, and now the greedy bastards
>>>want
>>>>>>>more. They are trying to force Apple to raise prices. Jobs would
>like
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>see them relax and open the market up more by dropping the DRM. The
>>>Pay
>>>>>>>to play model sucks for consumers. It's MS's pay to play DRM that
>Apple
>>>>>>>is fighting against. Yet you blame Apple, and accuse them of the
>pay
>>>>>of
>>>>>>>play model.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Look at the record companies and the lock they have on music distribution
>>>>>>>and Air play. Apple has tried to help artist and independent record
>>>labels
>>>>>>>to get their product out there to the public. Apple has given the
>public
>>>>>>>a place to buy music, a lot of music at a reasonable price. Apple
>doesn't
>>>>>>>force you to buy the whole record to get one good song.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The greedy entitled record companies have tried to screw the artists
>>>and
>>>>>>>musicians out of their fair share. They are trying to squeeze everybody
>>>>>>>they and their greasy lawyers can. Look at how many people the record
>>>>>companies
>>>>>>>and the RIAA have sued! They have their lobby group the RIAA which
>>is
>>>>>a
>>>>>>>gang of thug lawyers that pushes everybody around. Impoverished kids
>>>>and
>>>>>>>single moms! They don't care, pay up or else! Slime!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>MS, look at the things they've done. They have stolen from Apple,
>netscape,
>>>>>>>Sun, the list goes on, and the list is long. Look at how much they
>>>have
>>>>>>>taken. They steal, then they turn around and prosecute people that
>>copy
>>>>>>>their software, when much of it was stolen by them. How many times
>>have
>>>>>>>you heard of Apple having people prosecuted?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yep, it's Apple that is evil, and it's Steve Jobs that is the bad
guy.
>>>>>
>>>>>>It's
>>>>>>>Jobs that wants to take your freedoms away, not Gates and his Pay
to
>>>Play
>>>>>>>model.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Get a clue!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Well, my main take on it is that I don't care, I simply will not
buy
>>>>things
>>>>>>>>in a format that treats me like I'm a criminal. My secondary take
>on
>>>>it
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>that Esteban Jobs is wicked smart and managed to brow beat the record
>>>>>labels
>>>>>>>>into using his store precisely because of the DRM it had. Now that
>>he's
>>>>>>>cornered
>>>>>>>>the market he's campaigning for the removal of the DRM because, surprise,
>>>>>>>>customers don't like it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm also quite sure that some day in the not too distant future when
>>>>you
>>>>>>>>buy a car you'll have to sign and EULA that says, 'This 'motor vehicle'
>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>licensed, not sold, to you . . .'
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>BTW I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one. I'm trying
>>to
>>>>>convince
>>>>>>>>the Mold Monkies to release our upcoming second CD as both .ogg and
>>>flac
>>>>>>>>files into the file sharing universe. I'm hoping to include a note
>>pointing
>>>>>>>>people to our web site and saying only that if they like our music
>>it
>>>>>would
>>>>>>>>be really cool if they would buy a sticker or a T-Shirt or pick up
>>my
>>>>>bar
>>>>>>>>tab some night. I haven't completely convinced the guys, I don't
write
>>>>>>songs
>>>>>>>>for this band so it's their copyright not mine, but I'm getting closer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thad-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>What's your take on the idea that DRM is being foisted on all online
>>>>>stores
>>>>>>>>>by the
>>>>>>>>>respective rights holders/publishers?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>FLAC is very good. If anyone's on Mac, Amadeus will play FLAC files...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Ted
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into their hardware,
>>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>>not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs. Lincoln,
>>>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>>>was the show?'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>For higher quality audio, check out FLAC.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to compressed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out
of
>>>my
>>>>>>way
>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter
>of
>>>>principle,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and I've
>>>>been
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years
behind
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really*
>>>like
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were
>going
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now hows
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>egotism?).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
|
|
|
|
| Re: OK.........I've gotta' hand it to Steve Jobs [message #82032 is a reply to message #82024] |
Fri, 23 March 2007 12:56 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
|
Senior Member |
|
|
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>The $1 salary is a publicity stunt. He has options worth well over half
>>a
>>>billion.
>>>
>>>http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1590
>>>
>>>TCB
>>
>>I don't believe he has exercised his options yet. The company also bought
>>a 45 million dollar gulf stream for him to use for business. He doesn't
>>own the jet the company does. What did Gates and Balmer make last year?
>
>I don't know and it has no more to do with the question than how much I
made
>last year. As the CEO of a publicly traded company it's his _job_ to do
everything
>legally possible to maximize profits or, in other words, to be greedy. If
>he's not being greedy then he's not doing his job. And, from the standpoint
>of shareholder value he has been a magnificent success.
>
>TCB
You and I have two different definitions of greed. So I guess when you get
payed for your services rendered, it's greed?
>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Good heavens, James, did you read my post? I said I won't buy _any_
>>format
>>>>>>>that restricts my freedoms. Not MSoft, not Apple, not anyone. Trust
>>me,
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>despise Microsoft a great deal more than you do, because I have to
>deal
>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>their hideous, bloated software all the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Lastly, Steve Jobs is a billionaire executive in charge of a corporation
>>>>>>>with an $80 billion market cap. He's is specifically tasked with making
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>much money for Apple shareholders as he can, in other words to be
greedy.
>>>>>>>That's his job. He doesn't care about you or me or small record labels
>>>>>or
>>>>>>>artists one bit more than Steve Ballmer does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebianDebian DebianDebianDebian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes of course Apple is in business to make money. However, if what
>you
>>>>>are
>>>>>>saying is so true, then why did he open up iTunes music store to artists,
>>>>>>and independent record labels? Why take up time and space featuring
>>and
>>>>>>spotlighting unsigned artists. I think he is trying to help the little
>>>>>guy
>>>>>>out. How much money and effort have the major labels and MS put out
>>and
>>>>>>done to help the little guy?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why does he do those things? To convince as many people as he can that
>>>he's
>>>>>something other than the stinking rich greedy CEO that he is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That one dollar a year CEO salary sure is greedy. I guess you'll say
>that
>>>>his salary is just for appearances. So how many CEOs take one dollar
>a
>>>year
>>>>for their salary? How about taking one dollar for ten years? I'd like
>>>to
>>>>have seen Gates take one dollar a year for ten years. I guess it will
>>always
>>>>be some kind of wrong reasoning and a jab.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Give the guy a little credit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So here we go again. Steve Jobs is the bad guy??? He went and beat
>>>>up
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>poor record companies and made them open up their libraries to Apple.
>>>>>
>>>>>>Is
>>>>>>>>that the way it was? I can't believe that some people will stand
>right
>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>front of the truth and deny it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The record companies have been pushing such crap music for the last
>>>15
>>>>>>years
>>>>>>>>that they were in trouble. With the advent of MP3s and the increased
>>>>>use
>>>>>>>>of personal computers, the record companies could no longer maintain
>>>>control
>>>>>>>>of their music. With P2P file sharing, and the huge salaries they
>>were
>>>>>>>paying
>>>>>>>>the pimps to run the record companies, and the crap artists they
signed,
>>>>>>>>they were losing revenue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Steve Jobs came to them with a good BUSINESS MODEL/PLAN! It was
a
>>great
>>>>>>>>deal for the record companies. Apple pays them on average, $0.85
>per
>>>>>song!
>>>>>>>> Apple had to set up the whole infrastructure and maintain the system
>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>of pocket. Many of the songs are remastered, and Apple has the task
>>>>of
>>>>>>>encoding
>>>>>>>>all of the songs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The reason the record companies signed with Apple is not because
Steve
>>>>>>Jobs
>>>>>>>>brow beat them. They signed because it was a good deal and because
>>>they
>>>>>>>>were on their asses! Record companies were mismanaged and were going
>>>>>out
>>>>>>>>of business, and were being restructured at that time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Steve Jobs business plan worked, and has help save the record industry.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In order to get them to go for the plan, Apple had to agree to limit
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>number of copies a user can have on a number of machines. It is
a
>>reasonable
>>>>>>>>number of copies! I believe it six. Unlike MS/Rapsody, where as
>soon
>>>>>>as
>>>>>>>>you stop paying MS, the music stops being playable. At least you
>get
>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>keep what you buy with iTunes, unlike MS's DRM bullshit!.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The record companies are doing fine now, and now the greedy bastards
>>>>want
>>>>>>>>more. They are trying to force Apple to raise prices. Jobs would
>>like
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>see them relax and open the market up more by dropping the DRM.
The
>>>>Pay
>>>>>>>>to play model sucks for consumers. It's MS's pay to play DRM that
>>Apple
>>>>>>>>is fighting against. Yet you blame Apple, and accuse them of the
>>pay
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>play model.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Look at the record companies and the lock they have on music distribution
>>>>>>>>and Air play. Apple has tried to help artist and independent record
>>>>labels
>>>>>>>>to get their product out there to the public. Apple has given the
>>public
>>>>>>>>a place to buy music, a lot of music at a reasonable price. Apple
>>doesn't
>>>>>>>>force you to buy the whole record to get one good song.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The greedy entitled record companies have tried to screw the artists
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>musicians out of their fair share. They are trying to squeeze everybody
>>>>>>>>they and their greasy lawyers can. Look at how many people the record
>>>>>>companies
>>>>>>>>and the RIAA have sued! They have their lobby group the RIAA which
>>>is
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>gang of thug lawyers that pushes everybody around. Impoverished
kids
>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>single moms! They don't care, pay up or else! Slime!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>MS, look at the things they've done. They have stolen from Apple,
>>netscape,
>>>>>>>>Sun, the list goes on, and the list is long. Look at how much they
>>>>have
>>>>>>>>taken. They steal, then they turn around and prosecute people that
>>>copy
>>>>>>>>their software, when much of it was stolen by them. How many times
>>>have
>>>>>>>>you heard of Apple having people prosecuted?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yep, it's Apple that is evil, and it's Steve Jobs that is the bad
>guy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's
>>>>>>>>Jobs that wants to take your freedoms away, not Gates and his Pay
>to
>>>>Play
>>>>>>>>model.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Get a clue!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Well, my main take on it is that I don't care, I simply will not
>buy
>>>>>things
>>>>>>>>>in a format that treats me like I'm a criminal. My secondary take
>>on
>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>that Esteban Jobs is wicked smart and managed to brow beat the record
>>>>>>labels
>>>>>>>>>into using his store precisely because of the DRM it had. Now that
>>>he's
>>>>>>>>cornered
>>>>>>>>>the market he's campaigning for the removal of the DRM because,
surprise,
>>>>>>>>>customers don't like it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm also quite sure that some day in the not too distant future
when
>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>>buy a car you'll have to sign and EULA that says, 'This 'motor vehicle'
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>licensed, not sold, to you . . .'
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>BTW I'm putting my money where my mouth is on this one. I'm trying
>>>to
>>>>>>convince
>>>>>>>>>the Mold Monkies to release our upcoming second CD as both .ogg
and
>>>>flac
>>>>>>>>>files into the file sharing universe. I'm hoping to include a note
>>>pointing
>>>>>>>>>people to our web site and saying only that if they like our music
>>>it
>>>>>>would
>>>>>>>>>be really cool if they would buy a sticker or a T-Shirt or pick
up
>>>my
>>>>>>bar
>>>>>>>>>tab some night. I haven't completely convinced the guys, I don't
>write
>>>>>>>songs
>>>>>>>>>for this band so it's their copyright not mine, but I'm getting
closer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Ted Gerber" <tedgerber@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thad-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What's your take on the idea that DRM is being foisted on all online
>>>>>>stores
>>>>>>>>>>by the
>>>>>>>>>>respective rights holders/publishers?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>FLAC is very good. If anyone's on Mac, Amadeus will play FLAC files...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Ted
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Other than the DRM and the fact that you're locked into their
hardware,
>>>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>>>not bad. Which is kind of like the famous, 'Other than, Mrs. Lincoln,
>>>>>>>>how
>>>>>>>>>>>was the show?'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>For higher quality audio, check out FLAC.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>TCB
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>OK, so I'm an (admittedly) old curmudgeon and only listen to
compressed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>audio files when I absolutely have to and I especially go out
>of
>>>>my
>>>>>>>way
>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>avoid having anything to do with Mac related stuff as a matter
>>of
>>>>>principle,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>but Amy likes Apple and so I loaded ITunes on her new PC and
I've
>>>>>been
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>playing around with it. Yeah, I know.........I'm only 5 years
>behind
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone else here, but anyway, all I can say is that I *really*
>>>>like
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>ITunes. I can't find anything I don't like about it. If I were
>>going
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>design something like this, I couldn't do it any better (now
hows
>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>>>for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>egotism?).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>;o)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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