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| I was just wondering... [message #93368] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 12:41  |
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...How many of you nice folks actually record music (with or without Paris)
for your livings? About 13 - 14 years ago my studio began to out-earn my
gigs playing guitar in local bands and it's been my primary source of income
all this time. The problem is it's not working very well anymore. I hardly
do any demo work for bands these days. The last demo project I thought I
had lined up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's house -
a lawyer with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? Nothing. I
couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any jingle work in years. All
the jingle writer/producers seem to have their own setups and use the big
impressive studios for clients who want to see receptionists and 30 foot
long consoles.
So I'm looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school our
10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once she has a groove
going) and I can't support my family on what my studio makes. Which, at
the moment, is almost nothing. I've thought about marketing myself as a
"recording consultant" to help people build and use their home studios but
I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I've also thought about marketing
my guitar playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get mix
work.
Sorry - I don't much know what I'm looking for here. I guess I'm just whining
and venting a bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time to
go sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school bus!
I'm told our county school system has great benefits. I'm about to turn
56. Seems a little old to be trying to figure out what I'm going to be when
I grow up!
Thanks for listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me over
the last 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every day.
Gantt
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93371 is a reply to message #93368] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 14:04  |
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"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
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>..How many of you nice folks actually record music (with or without Paris)
>for your livings?
I used to record classical and teach audio for a living. Lousy income
but lots of fun and interesting people to work with.
Today, I have a fulltime job in systems design and install.
Sometimes I love it, sometimes I hate it. Many times I think
I would take another job with an orchestra or college in a
heartbeat, but overall I am pretty happy with what I do.
There is no money to be made at the middle of the studio
market, as you have seen.
My advice would be that if you can find a real job, stable,
health coverage, pension, etc, take it. Do the recording
on your offtime.
I may be giving myself the same advice in a few months if our
work dries up!
my .02
DC
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93380 is a reply to message #93368] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 17:55 |
Kim
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I'm sure there's a lot of people in mid-sized studios that are hurting at
the moment, and more to come.
I was discussing similar issues to this with a friend of mine in photography.
Photographers have suffered in a similar way from the onslaught of technology,
in that the digital revolution means that every man and a dog carries three
cameras everywhere they go, and suddenly things like weddings are being photographed
more and more often by some random who happens to have a digicam worth a
little more than average.
The photography one is even stranger though, as a really good camera hasn't
changed much in price. Well, perhaps the last 123 months have changed that,
but in 2006 a $300 digital camera compared fairly much to what you might
have got in an "analog" camera for a similar wage percentage ten years earlier.
I remember buying a half decent film camera in 1991 or so for $20 second
hand. Picture quality for price hasn't changed, but somehow because people
have become so used to happy snaps, it's been accepted that we don't need
those photographer people any more. We'll do it ourselves. And indeed, where
I stand, I remember in 1990 a photo was a big deal. People would get ready.
All stand together yada yada. Now somebody just walks up and says "Strike
a pose!" and it's done. In some ways it's good, in others bad. The photos
begins more to resemble real life, and what actually happened, but there
is still nothing like a true craftsman to bring out some underlying beauty
in something, and I think it is a loss to have less of that.
In one sense however it is a positive thing, in that when the industrial
revolution began way back when, they talked up how much more efficient things
would become, but the truth was that only the rich could afford most of the
massive machines which were invented. I'm sure a camera in 1920 was worth
enough to mean that only the rich could buy one, and then charge the poor
to take a photo of them once a year and make a mint. Now anybody can afford
a camera. Anybody can make a song. Anybody can print things. Anybody can
make a film.
It's got to be damned painful for those who have worked hard to put together
the cash to make money out of these livings, but on the other hand for those
who were just never in a position to do so for whatever reason, it's a godsend.
People who had the passion and creativity but not the cash are now in a position
to make a move. The hard part is that, as we know, you get a lot of people
who have the passion, perhaps creativity, but not the knowhow, and so the
quality of product sometimes goes down a little, while people who know the
craft point and go "That's shocking! Why didn't you hire me!".
Still, it's a kinda mixed thing at the end of the day.
I kinda accidentally counted myself out of the whole thing from the start.
I did get Paris with a dream of starting a studio, but in the end I really
knew that Paris' low price point was a sign of things to come, and that the
time until home studios were cheap enough so that most people would "do it
themselves" was not far off. Yes, there's still nothing like top quality
gear, but the quality of pro-sumer gear is now very nice, and a skilled person
with some well chosen $200 mics and maybe one or two better ones can pull
off a very nice job on many things.
I just hope that it does mean we start to see more creativity coming through
from those who previously couldn't afford to get involved. Otherwise it's
kinda all for nothing.
Cheers,
Kim.
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
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>..How many of you nice folks actually record music (with or without Paris)
>for your livings? About 13 - 14 years ago my studio began to out-earn my
>gigs playing guitar in local bands and it's been my primary source of income
>all this time. The problem is it's not working very well anymore. I hardly
>do any demo work for bands these days. The last demo project I thought
I
>had lined up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's house -
>a lawyer with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? Nothing.
I
>couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any jingle work in years. All
>the jingle writer/producers seem to have their own setups and use the big
>impressive studios for clients who want to see receptionists and 30 foot
>long consoles.
>
>So I'm looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school our
>10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once she has a groove
>going) and I can't support my family on what my studio makes. Which, at
>the moment, is almost nothing. I've thought about marketing myself as a
>"recording consultant" to help people build and use their home studios but
>I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I've also thought about marketing
>my guitar playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get mix
>work.
>
>Sorry - I don't much know what I'm looking for here. I guess I'm just whining
>and venting a bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time to
>go sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school bus!
> I'm told our county school system has great benefits. I'm about to turn
>56. Seems a little old to be trying to figure out what I'm going to be
when
>I grow up!
>
>Thanks for listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me over
>the last 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every day.
>
>Gantt
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93383 is a reply to message #93382] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 19:37 |
john Macy[1]
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I don't have a plan B...
Been makin a full time living in the music business since '72. Can't figure
anything else to do... In these current times of failing studios, I just
opened another new one. I was fortunate to have taken over a studio I built
in the 90's (one of several I have built and owned here in Colorado since
the late 70's), so i did not have to do anything but move in. It's pretty
big, and there is no way I would have spent the money it took to build it
back then again. It has a main studio, an overdub suite and a third small
control room. I am using the main room--the B studio is/will be geared at
independent engineers, and I am renting the thrid control room to a producer/arranger
scoring guy. Given the fact that I had enough gear to stock the A room,
and will be adding a PTLE rig in B, the startup costs were minimal--the only
way to survive these times. I just added a 7'6" grand piano, which is already
bring business in. That combined with an establised rep and client base,
and I may just make it work...:) The writing on the wall dictates a PTHD
for the A room shortly to attract the independents...
I also play around 100 dates a year as a musician, play a lot of sessions,
do some studio consultation/install for some clients, and probably some other
things I am forgetting, though legal :)...
I feel pretty damn lucky to be pulling this off at age 54--gotta make it
at least another 10 or 12 (I will be 64 when my son graduates from high school...).
It's a strange time, but if you keep your eye on the landscape you can adapt.
I would hate to be graduating from Berklee or somewhere and be thinking
about doing this for a living...
"DJ" <animix _ at _ animas _ dot _ net> wrote:
>I'm day job all the way. I'm slowly developing a few steady clients and
>giving them excellent rates so they they will come back and bring their
>firends. I also do CD projects for free for clients I trust who are
>performing musifcians and sell their CD's at gigs. I get a pretty hefty
cut
>per unit sale so it keeps a bit of mailbox money coming in. One of my
>clients is getting pretty well known and is bringing in some business with
>deep pockets, but to quit my day job right now would be financial suicide.
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>My studio is either gong to be a supplemental retirement income or I'm gonna
>sell it and put the money in investments. I gave up the idea of making a
>full time living with it years ago.
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>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:47585052$1@linux...
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>> ..How many of you nice folks actually record music (with or without Paris)
>> for your livings? About 13 - 14 years ago my studio began to out-earn
my
>> gigs playing guitar in local bands and it's been my primary source of
>> income
>> all this time. The problem is it's not working very well anymore. I
>> hardly
>> do any demo work for bands these days. The last demo project I thought
I
>> had lined up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's house
-
>> a lawyer with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? Nothing.
I
>> couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any jingle work in years.
All
>> the jingle writer/producers seem to have their own setups and use the
big
>> impressive studios for clients who want to see receptionists and 30 foot
>> long consoles.
>>
>> So I'm looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school
our
>> 10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once she has a
>> groove
>> going) and I can't support my family on what my studio makes. Which,
at
>> the moment, is almost nothing. I've thought about marketing myself as
a
>> "recording consultant" to help people build and use their home studios
but
>> I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I've also thought about
>> marketing
>> my guitar playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get mix
>> work.
>>
>> Sorry - I don't much know what I'm looking for here. I guess I'm just
>> whining
>> and venting a bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time
to
>> go sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school bus!
>> I'm told our county school system has great benefits. I'm about to turn
>> 56. Seems a little old to be trying to figure out what I'm going to be
>> when
>> I grow up!
>>
>> Thanks for listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me over
>> the last 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every day.
>>
>> Gantt
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93385 is a reply to message #93383] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 20:59 |
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Damn! It's good to know I'm not the only old dad here. I'll also be 64 when
my son graduates (or whatever it is that home-schoolers do) from high school.
Then I have a daughter 2 years behind him. Whew. Maybe I should move to
Colorado to try to get a gig in your studio!
Gantt
"john Macy" <johnnospam@johnmacy.com> wrote:
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>I feel pretty damn lucky to be pulling this off at age 54--gotta make it
>at least another 10 or 12 (I will be 64 when my son graduates from high
school...).
> It's a strange time, but if you keep your eye on the landscape you can
adapt.
> I would hate to be graduating from Berklee or somewhere and be thinking
>about doing this for a living...
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93386 is a reply to message #93384] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 21:10 |
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I'd love to get into composing and post production work but I don't have any
idea how to go about it. Any suggestions?
Gantt
"Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>I'm doing fulltime composing, sound design and audio post, but that's a
>pretty different market from
>a commercial studio. I have mostly corporate clients, with a mix of a few
>other
>things as well to supplement the main business. So far it's growing and
>doing
>well, thankfully.
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>I have a friend going the recording route - it's tough. He and his wife
are
>young so they
>can survive on a little less, but it won't last long. He's already looking
>for ways
>to expand what he does.
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>Regards,
>Dedric
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93387 is a reply to message #93385] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 21:16 |
Neil
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FWIW, I think John has the right idea - he's pretty diverse...
playing, consulting, recording, renting out space, etc. I think
in this day & age you have to be nimble - or at least willing
to be so. That goes for nearly any business, not just music.
Me, I do this for a hobby, and some occasional additional
income. If I were to quit my job, or retire early/whatever, i'd
go with the more diverse route, as well.
Neil
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
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>Damn! It's good to know I'm not the only old dad here. I'll also be 64
when
>my son graduates (or whatever it is that home-schoolers do) from high school.
> Then I have a daughter 2 years behind him. Whew. Maybe I should move
to
>Colorado to try to get a gig in your studio!
>
>Gantt
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>"john Macy" <johnnospam@johnmacy.com> wrote:
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>>
>>I feel pretty damn lucky to be pulling this off at age 54--gotta make it
>>at least another 10 or 12 (I will be 64 when my son graduates from high
>school...).
>> It's a strange time, but if you keep your eye on the landscape you can
>adapt.
>> I would hate to be graduating from Berklee or somewhere and be thinking
>>about doing this for a living...
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93391 is a reply to message #93386] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 21:23 |
Dedric Terry
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Composing is tough if not non-existent in local markets. The larger markets
are highly competitive and saturated with music school grads with
composition degrees, so it takes some spec work, really brushing up on your
skills, putting together a demo reel, preferably with score to picture, and
getting to know directors, producers, etc.
That said, I know guys getting good work with minimal traditional composing
chops but a lot of experience with apps like Reason, Acid, etc. Not what I
really consider true composing, but there is a market for that style.
Likewise, there is a market for pop, rock, R&B, etc music (e.g. not just
orchestral). My suggestion would be to pick your strength and focus on it
when putting together a demo and marketing yourself.
For post, the best route is to get to know directors, producers and
video/film production companies in your area. Sometimes a director/friend
can get you started by just being willing to give you a shot, then you can
network from there.
Let me know if I can help in any way. Feel free to email me offline.
Regards,
Dedric
On 12/6/07 10:10 PM, in article 4758c7a4$1@linux, "Gantt Kushner"
<ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I'd love to get into composing and post production work but I don't have any
> idea how to go about it. Any suggestions?
>
> Gantt
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> "Dedric Terry" <dterry@keyofd.net> wrote:
>> I'm doing fulltime composing, sound design and audio post, but that's a
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>> pretty different market from
>> a commercial studio. I have mostly corporate clients, with a mix of a few
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>> other
>> things as well to supplement the main business. So far it's growing and
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>> doing
>> well, thankfully.
>>
>> I have a friend going the recording route - it's tough. He and his wife
> are
>> young so they
>> can survive on a little less, but it won't last long. He's already looking
>
>> for ways
>> to expand what he does.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93392 is a reply to message #93368] |
Thu, 06 December 2007 22:29 |
scott h
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odd thing... I am trying to get more into recording... and less into the day
job...
I recent left (well... got canned) an ops mngr position at a radio cluster
here in detroit, and i have been doing independent projects to get by....
i have a couple of irons in the fire for possible day gigs, but times are
tough...
a couple suggestions for ya...
if you absolutely need cash, radio CAN provide decent cash for people with
SOLID production skills. . . it also helps to have a decent voice, but someone
who truly knows how to make things sound amazing is a true find now days...
call all your local stations and tell them you are available for any production
overflow they have. branch out to others in the general area ... offer a
competitive rate .. and you will pick up some folding money.
another thing I am doing that is similar to what DJ suggested is offering
to local bands free recording of their shows, and on site duplication of
them on CD... I have 3- 10 tray duplicators that can churn out 200 in a half
an hour... just plug into the club board, record into your favorite 2 track..
light mastering/normalize... and by the time people are lining up to buy
the disk (which the band has to heavily promote on stage) the first 30 are
done....like getting a bootleg... but is actually audible.
also... I am offering to school bands a fund raiser package ... we take care
of the licensing, duplication and recording... they sell the disks... all
pre sale. after the concert, bring home the recording, master it... and burn
the appropriate number of copies. full color disks with a color insert. we
are selling them for between $15 and $20 a piece(depending on various factors)
and giving the band fund a VERY good percentage. I have even sweetened the
pot for schools by adding a free Ipod shuffle to the kid who sells the most
disks(minimum 10), and $100 to the art student who creates the cover art.
this is starting to take off pretty well. the big selling point is the licensing.
. . the band directors love not having to deal with it, and frankly... it
isn't that bad.
I totally understand the kids thing... I have for girls ..13,9,4,and 2...
and we have number 5 on the way... gotta bring the cash in somehow...
scott h
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93400 is a reply to message #93368] |
Fri, 07 December 2007 01:49 |
Sarah
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I kept myself going for 12 years or so doing commercial music projects for
local studios and production houses, arrangements and demo production for
songwriters, and giving private lessons. I got tired of composing to other
peoples specifications and making other people's creative visions real. I
wound up with a backlog of about 300 songs of my own that I never had the
creative energy left to work on. I've been making a lot more and I think a
lot better music since I quit needing to do it for an income. I went back
to school so I could do something rewarding for a good, predictable income,
and make music purely because that's what I love to do.
I would probably enjoy doing film scores, but I'm not going to scramble to
break into that at this point in my life. Besides, deadlines and I don't
get along.
The other members of Sarahtonin all teach, but the eldest of them (32)
recently asked me how long it would take to get a radiology degree and how
much money he'd make. I guess I've been a bad influence. :)
Good luck,
Sarah
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:47585052$1@linux...
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> ..How many of you nice folks actually record music (with or without Paris)
> for your livings? About 13 - 14 years ago my studio began to out-earn my
> gigs playing guitar in local bands and it's been my primary source of
> income
> all this time. The problem is it's not working very well anymore. I
> hardly
> do any demo work for bands these days. The last demo project I thought I
> had lined up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's house -
> a lawyer with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? Nothing. I
> couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any jingle work in years. All
> the jingle writer/producers seem to have their own setups and use the big
> impressive studios for clients who want to see receptionists and 30 foot
> long consoles.
>
> So I'm looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school our
> 10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once she has a
> groove
> going) and I can't support my family on what my studio makes. Which, at
> the moment, is almost nothing. I've thought about marketing myself as a
> "recording consultant" to help people build and use their home studios but
> I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I've also thought about
> marketing
> my guitar playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get mix
> work.
>
> Sorry - I don't much know what I'm looking for here. I guess I'm just
> whining
> and venting a bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time to
> go sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school bus!
> I'm told our county school system has great benefits. I'm about to turn
> 56. Seems a little old to be trying to figure out what I'm going to be
> when
> I grow up!
>
> Thanks for listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me over
> the last 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every day.
>
> Gantt
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93409 is a reply to message #93405] |
Fri, 07 December 2007 11:41 |
Tom Bruhl
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Hi Gantt,
My situation is similar to Rod's. I have been nothing but a performer
and studio owner since 1990 for income. My main income has always been
performance based. The studio has had some good years where it made =
half=20
as much as performance. If I were to compete for full time business I'd =
have to
hustle the work by attending live shows, giving reduced rates and =
advertising.
I do none of those things and still have more than enough work to keep =
me
busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. It would be a scary prospect to rely
totally on the studio for income with my mid level room. I have friends =
with
higher and lower level rooms none of which are able to make a living =
from it.
It's a tough business but I love it when I'm caught in the act!
Tom
"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
news:47598db5$1@linux...
I've been doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life. =
Right
now it's probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my =
drumming
is recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so =
far.
We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do if it =
dries
up).
I've been lucky in that I have several corperate clients that I do =
engineering,
drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot of jingle work =
(drumming)
but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of years. I'm almost =
48, so
I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure out something else if =
I
have to.
Rod Lincoln
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
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>..How many of you nice folks actually record music (with or without =
Paris)
>for your livings? About 13 - 14 years ago my studio began to =
out-earn my
>gigs playing guitar in local bands and it's been my primary source of =
income
>all this time. The problem is it's not working very well anymore. I =
hardly
>do any demo work for bands these days. The last demo project I =
thought
I
>had lined up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's =
house -
>a lawyer with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
Nothing.=20
I
>couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any jingle work in years. =
All
>the jingle writer/producers seem to have their own setups and use the =
big
>impressive studios for clients who want to see receptionists and 30 =
foot
>long consoles. =20
>
>So I'm looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school =
our
>10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once she has a =
groove
>going) and I can't support my family on what my studio makes. =
Which, at
>the moment, is almost nothing. I've thought about marketing myself =
as a
>"recording consultant" to help people build and use their home =
studios but
>I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I've also thought about =
marketing
>my guitar playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get =
mix
>work. =20
>
>Sorry - I don't much know what I'm looking for here. I guess I'm =
just whining
>and venting a bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time =
to
>go sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school =
bus!
> I'm told our county school system has great benefits. I'm about to =
turn
>56. Seems a little old to be trying to figure out what I'm going to =
be
when
>I grow up!
>
>Thanks for listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me =
over
>the last 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every =
day.=20
>
>Gantt
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My situation is similar to Rod's. =
I have been=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and studio owner since 1990 for =
income. My=20
main income has always been</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>performance based. The studio has =
had some=20
good years where it </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>made half =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as much as performance. If I were =
to compete=20
for full time business I'd have to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hustle the work by attending live =
shows, giving=20
reduced rates and advertising.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do none of those things and still =
have more than=20
enough work to keep me</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. =
It would be=20
a scary prospect to rely</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>totally on the studio for income with =
my mid level=20
room. I have friends with</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>higher and lower level rooms none of =
which are able=20
to make a living from it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's a tough business but I love it =
when I'm caught=20
in the act!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
t;=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:47598db5$1@linux">news:47598db5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>I've=
been=20
doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life. =
Right<BR>now it's=20
probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my =
drumming<BR>is=20
recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so=20
far.<BR>We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do =
if it=20
dries<BR>up).<BR>I've been lucky in that I have several corperate =
clients that=20
I do engineering,<BR>drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot of =
jingle=20
work (drumming)<BR>but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of =
years.=20
I'm almost 48, so<BR>I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure =
out=20
something else if I<BR>have to.<BR>Rod Lincoln<BR>"Gantt Kushner" =
<<A=20
href=3D"mailto:ganttmann@comcast.net">ganttmann@comcast.net</A>>=20
wrote:<BR>><BR>>..How many of you nice folks actually record =
music (with=20
or without Paris)<BR>>for your livings? About 13 - 14 years =
ago my=20
studio began to out-earn my<BR>>gigs playing guitar in local bands =
and it's=20
been my primary source of income<BR>>all this time. The =
problem is=20
it's not working very well anymore. I hardly<BR>>do any demo =
work for=20
bands these days. The last demo project I =
thought<BR>I<BR>>had lined=20
up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's house =
-<BR>>a lawyer=20
with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
Nothing.=20
<BR>I<BR>>couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any =
jingle work=20
in years. All<BR>>the jingle writer/producers seem to have =
their own=20
setups and use the big<BR>>impressive studios for clients who want =
to see=20
receptionists and 30 foot<BR>>long consoles. =
<BR>><BR>>So I'm=20
looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school=20
our<BR>>10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once =
she has=20
a groove<BR>>going) and I can't support my family on what my =
studio=20
makes. Which, at<BR>>the moment, is almost nothing. =
I've=20
thought about marketing myself as a<BR>>"recording consultant" to =
help=20
people build and use their home studios but<BR>>I'm not sure how to =
go=20
about doing that. I've also thought about marketing<BR>>my =
guitar=20
playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get=20
mix<BR>>work. <BR>><BR>>Sorry - I don't much know what =
I'm=20
looking for here. I guess I'm just whining<BR>>and venting a=20
bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time =
to<BR>>go=20
sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school=20
bus!<BR>> I'm told our county school system has great =
benefits. I'm=20
about to turn<BR>>56. Seems a little old to be trying to =
figure out=20
what I'm going to be<BR>when<BR>>I grow up!<BR>><BR>>Thanks =
for=20
listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me =
over<BR>>the last=20
5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every day.=20
<BR><BR>><BR>>Gantt<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93411 is a reply to message #93409] |
Fri, 07 December 2007 13:24 |
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What kind of gigs do you guys play? Clubs around the Washington, DC area pay
$80 - $100 unless it's a jazz gig in which case it could be as low as $50
a night. "Society" gigs pay union scale which is around $200 - $250 for
a typical Saturday night gig. Established wedding/event bands pay $250 -
$300 for sidemen. Even if I could work 7 nights a week I'd still go broke
trying to support my family but the sad fact of life around here is that
there are very few gigs and many, many musicians chasing after them. My
friend and neighbor Mike Auldridge just came off the road from a tour with
Emmy Lou Harris. If I could start working at that level things might be
different around here!
Gantt
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Hi Gantt,
>My situation is similar to Rod's. I have been nothing but a performer
>and studio owner since 1990 for income. My main income has always been
>performance based. The studio has had some good years where it made =
>half=20
>as much as performance. If I were to compete for full time business I'd
=
>have to
>hustle the work by attending live shows, giving reduced rates and =
>advertising.
>I do none of those things and still have more than enough work to keep =
>me
>busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. It would be a scary prospect to rely
>totally on the studio for income with my mid level room. I have friends
=
>with
>higher and lower level rooms none of which are able to make a living =
>from it.
>
>It's a tough business but I love it when I'm caught in the act!
>Tom
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
>news:47598db5$1@linux...
>
> I've been doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life. =
>Right
> now it's probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my =
>drumming
> is recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so
=
>far.
> We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do if it =
>dries
> up).
> I've been lucky in that I have several corperate clients that I do =
>engineering,
> drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot of jingle work =
>(drumming)
> but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of years. I'm almost =
>48, so
> I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure out something else if
=
>I
> have to.
> Rod Lincoln
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >..How many of you nice folks actually record music (with or without =
>Paris)
> >for your livings? About 13 - 14 years ago my studio began to =
>out-earn my
> >gigs playing guitar in local bands and it's been my primary source of
=
>income
> >all this time. The problem is it's not working very well anymore. I
=
>hardly
> >do any demo work for bands these days. The last demo project I =
>thought
> I
> >had lined up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's =
>house -
> >a lawyer with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
>Nothing.=20
> I
> >couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any jingle work in years.
=
> All
> >the jingle writer/producers seem to have their own setups and use the
=
>big
> >impressive studios for clients who want to see receptionists and 30 =
>foot
> >long consoles. =20
> >
> >So I'm looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school
=
>our
> >10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once she has a
=
>groove
> >going) and I can't support my family on what my studio makes. =
>Which, at
> >the moment, is almost nothing. I've thought about marketing myself =
>as a
> >"recording consultant" to help people build and use their home =
>studios but
> >I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I've also thought about =
>marketing
> >my guitar playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get
=
>mix
> >work. =20
> >
> >Sorry - I don't much know what I'm looking for here. I guess I'm =
>just whining
> >and venting a bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time
=
>to
> >go sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school =
>bus!
> > I'm told our county school system has great benefits. I'm about to
=
>turn
> >56. Seems a little old to be trying to figure out what I'm going to
=
>be
> when
> >I grow up!
> >
> >Thanks for listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me =
>over
> >the last 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every =
>day.=20
>
> >
> >Gantt
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Gantt,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My situation is similar to Rod's. =
>I have been=20
>nothing but a performer</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and studio owner since 1990 for =
>income. My=20
>main income has always been</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>performance based. The studio has =
>had some=20
>good years where it </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>made half =
></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as much as performance. If I were =
>to compete=20
>for full time business I'd have to</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hustle the work by attending live =
>shows, giving=20
>reduced rates and advertising.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do none of those things and still =
>have more than=20
>enough work to keep me</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. =
>It would be=20
>a scary prospect to rely</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>totally on the studio for income with =
>my mid level=20
>room. I have friends with</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>higher and lower level rooms none of =
>which are able=20
>to make a living from it.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's a tough business but I love it =
>when I'm caught=20
>in the act!</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
>t;=20
> wrote in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:47598db5$1@linux">news:47598db5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>I've=
> been=20
> doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life. =
>Right<BR>now it's=20
> probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my =
>drumming<BR>is=20
> recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so=20
> far.<BR>We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do =
>if it=20
> dries<BR>up).<BR>I've been lucky in that I have several corperate =
>clients that=20
> I do engineering,<BR>drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot of
=
>jingle=20
> work (drumming)<BR>but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of =
>years.=20
> I'm almost 48, so<BR>I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure
=
>out=20
> something else if I<BR>have to.<BR>Rod Lincoln<BR>"Gantt Kushner" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:ganttmann@comcast.net">ganttmann@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>>..How many of you nice folks actually record =
>music (with=20
> or without Paris)<BR>>for your livings? About 13 - 14 years =
>ago my=20
> studio began to out-earn my<BR>>gigs playing guitar in local bands =
>and it's=20
> been my primary source of income<BR>>all this time. The =
>problem is=20
> it's not working very well anymore. I hardly<BR>>do any demo =
>work for=20
> bands these days. The last demo project I =
>thought<BR>I<BR>>had lined=20
> up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's house =
>-<BR>>a lawyer=20
> with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
>Nothing.=20
> <BR>I<BR>>couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any =
>jingle work=20
> in years. All<BR>>the jingle writer/producers seem to have =
>their own=20
> setups and use the big<BR>>impressive studios for clients who want =
>to see=20
> receptionists and 30 foot<BR>>long consoles. =
><BR>><BR>>So I'm=20
> looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school=20
> our<BR>>10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once =
>she has=20
> a groove<BR>>going) and I can't support my family on what my =
>studio=20
> makes. Which, at<BR>>the moment, is almost nothing. =
>I've=20
> thought about marketing myself as a<BR>>"recording consultant" to =
>help=20
> people build and use their home studios but<BR>>I'm not sure how to =
>go=20
> about doing that. I've also thought about marketing<BR>>my =
>guitar=20
> playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get=20
> mix<BR>>work. <BR>><BR>>Sorry - I don't much know what =
>I'm=20
> looking for here. I guess I'm just whining<BR>>and venting a=20
> bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time =
>to<BR>>go=20
> sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school=20
> bus!<BR>> I'm told our county school system has great =
>benefits. I'm=20
> about to turn<BR>>56. Seems a little old to be trying to =
>figure out=20
> what I'm going to be<BR>when<BR>>I grow up!<BR>><BR>>Thanks =
>for=20
> listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me =
>over<BR>>the last=20
> 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every day.=20
> <BR><BR>><BR>>Gantt<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
>and=20
>you?<BR><A=20
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>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>
>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93412 is a reply to message #93409] |
Fri, 07 December 2007 14:28 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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So what are you guys making playing out these days? I have a friend that
keeps trying to get me to play in a top 40 rock band. It pays $100.00 a
night, so i tell him no. If I played every friday and saturday all your
long that's only $10,400.00 a year before taxes, and I would have to give
up all my weekends.
James
"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>Hi Gantt,
>My situation is similar to Rod's. I have been nothing but a performer
>and studio owner since 1990 for income. My main income has always been
>performance based. The studio has had some good years where it made =
>half=20
>as much as performance. If I were to compete for full time business I'd
=
>have to
>hustle the work by attending live shows, giving reduced rates and =
>advertising.
>I do none of those things and still have more than enough work to keep =
>me
>busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. It would be a scary prospect to rely
>totally on the studio for income with my mid level room. I have friends
=
>with
>higher and lower level rooms none of which are able to make a living =
>from it.
>
>It's a tough business but I love it when I'm caught in the act!
>Tom
>
> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
>news:47598db5$1@linux...
>
> I've been doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life. =
>Right
> now it's probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my =
>drumming
> is recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so
=
>far.
> We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do if it =
>dries
> up).
> I've been lucky in that I have several corperate clients that I do =
>engineering,
> drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot of jingle work =
>(drumming)
> but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of years. I'm almost =
>48, so
> I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure out something else if
=
>I
> have to.
> Rod Lincoln
> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >..How many of you nice folks actually record music (with or without =
>Paris)
> >for your livings? About 13 - 14 years ago my studio began to =
>out-earn my
> >gigs playing guitar in local bands and it's been my primary source of
=
>income
> >all this time. The problem is it's not working very well anymore. I
=
>hardly
> >do any demo work for bands these days. The last demo project I =
>thought
> I
> >had lined up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's =
>house -
> >a lawyer with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
>Nothing.=20
> I
> >couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any jingle work in years.
=
> All
> >the jingle writer/producers seem to have their own setups and use the
=
>big
> >impressive studios for clients who want to see receptionists and 30 =
>foot
> >long consoles. =20
> >
> >So I'm looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school
=
>our
> >10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once she has a
=
>groove
> >going) and I can't support my family on what my studio makes. =
>Which, at
> >the moment, is almost nothing. I've thought about marketing myself =
>as a
> >"recording consultant" to help people build and use their home =
>studios but
> >I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I've also thought about =
>marketing
> >my guitar playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get
=
>mix
> >work. =20
> >
> >Sorry - I don't much know what I'm looking for here. I guess I'm =
>just whining
> >and venting a bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time
=
>to
> >go sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school =
>bus!
> > I'm told our county school system has great benefits. I'm about to
=
>turn
> >56. Seems a little old to be trying to figure out what I'm going to
=
>be
> when
> >I grow up!
> >
> >Thanks for listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me =
>over
> >the last 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every =
>day.=20
>
> >
> >Gantt
>
>
>
>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
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><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Gantt,</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My situation is similar to Rod's. =
>I have been=20
>nothing but a performer</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and studio owner since 1990 for =
>income. My=20
>main income has always been</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>performance based. The studio has =
>had some=20
>good years where it </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>made half =
></FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as much as performance. If I were =
>to compete=20
>for full time business I'd have to</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hustle the work by attending live =
>shows, giving=20
>reduced rates and advertising.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do none of those things and still =
>have more than=20
>enough work to keep me</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. =
>It would be=20
>a scary prospect to rely</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>totally on the studio for income with =
>my mid level=20
>room. I have friends with</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>higher and lower level rooms none of =
>which are able=20
>to make a living from it.</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's a tough business but I love it =
>when I'm caught=20
>in the act!</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
> =
>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
>t;=20
> wrote in message <A=20
> =
>href=3D"news:47598db5$1@linux">news:47598db5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>I've=
> been=20
> doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life. =
>Right<BR>now it's=20
> probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my =
>drumming<BR>is=20
> recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so=20
> far.<BR>We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do =
>if it=20
> dries<BR>up).<BR>I've been lucky in that I have several corperate =
>clients that=20
> I do engineering,<BR>drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot of
=
>jingle=20
> work (drumming)<BR>but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of =
>years.=20
> I'm almost 48, so<BR>I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure
=
>out=20
> something else if I<BR>have to.<BR>Rod Lincoln<BR>"Gantt Kushner" =
><<A=20
> href=3D"mailto:ganttmann@comcast.net">ganttmann@comcast.net</A>>=20
> wrote:<BR>><BR>>..How many of you nice folks actually record =
>music (with=20
> or without Paris)<BR>>for your livings? About 13 - 14 years =
>ago my=20
> studio began to out-earn my<BR>>gigs playing guitar in local bands =
>and it's=20
> been my primary source of income<BR>>all this time. The =
>problem is=20
> it's not working very well anymore. I hardly<BR>>do any demo =
>work for=20
> bands these days. The last demo project I =
>thought<BR>I<BR>>had lined=20
> up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's house =
>-<BR>>a lawyer=20
> with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
>Nothing.=20
> <BR>I<BR>>couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any =
>jingle work=20
> in years. All<BR>>the jingle writer/producers seem to have =
>their own=20
> setups and use the big<BR>>impressive studios for clients who want =
>to see=20
> receptionists and 30 foot<BR>>long consoles. =
><BR>><BR>>So I'm=20
> looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school=20
> our<BR>>10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once =
>she has=20
> a groove<BR>>going) and I can't support my family on what my =
>studio=20
> makes. Which, at<BR>>the moment, is almost nothing. =
>I've=20
> thought about marketing myself as a<BR>>"recording consultant" to =
>help=20
> people build and use their home studios but<BR>>I'm not sure how to =
>go=20
> about doing that. I've also thought about marketing<BR>>my =
>guitar=20
> playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get=20
> mix<BR>>work. <BR>><BR>>Sorry - I don't much know what =
>I'm=20
> looking for here. I guess I'm just whining<BR>>and venting a=20
> bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time =
>to<BR>>go=20
> sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school=20
> bus!<BR>> I'm told our county school system has great =
>benefits. I'm=20
> about to turn<BR>>56. Seems a little old to be trying to =
>figure out=20
> what I'm going to be<BR>when<BR>>I grow up!<BR>><BR>>Thanks =
>for=20
> listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me =
>over<BR>>the last=20
> 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every day.=20
> <BR><BR>><BR>>Gantt<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
>and=20
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93413 is a reply to message #93412] |
Fri, 07 December 2007 14:49 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>So what are you guys making playing out these days? I have a friend that
>keeps trying to get me to play in a top 40 rock band. It pays $100.00 a
>night, so i tell him no. If I played every friday and saturday all year
>long that's only $10,400.00 a year before taxes, and I would have to give
>up all my weekends.
>
>James
>
>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hi Gantt,
>>My situation is similar to Rod's. I have been nothing but a performer
>>and studio owner since 1990 for income. My main income has always been
>>performance based. The studio has had some good years where it made =
>>half=20
>>as much as performance. If I were to compete for full time business I'd
>=
>>have to
>>hustle the work by attending live shows, giving reduced rates and =
>>advertising.
>>I do none of those things and still have more than enough work to keep
=
>>me
>>busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. It would be a scary prospect to rely
>>totally on the studio for income with my mid level room. I have friends
>=
>>with
>>higher and lower level rooms none of which are able to make a living =
>>from it.
>>
>>It's a tough business but I love it when I'm caught in the act!
>>Tom
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
>>news:47598db5$1@linux...
>>
>> I've been doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life.
=
>>Right
>> now it's probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my =
>>drumming
>> is recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so
>=
>>far.
>> We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do if it =
>>dries
>> up).
>> I've been lucky in that I have several corperate clients that I do =
>>engineering,
>> drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot of jingle work =
>>(drumming)
>> but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of years. I'm almost =
>>48, so
>> I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure out something else if
>=
>>I
>> have to.
>> Rod Lincoln
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >..How many of you nice folks actually record music (with or without
=
>>Paris)
>> >for your livings? About 13 - 14 years ago my studio began to =
>>out-earn my
>> >gigs playing guitar in local bands and it's been my primary source of
>=
>>income
>> >all this time. The problem is it's not working very well anymore.
I
>=
>>hardly
>> >do any demo work for bands these days. The last demo project I =
>>thought
>> I
>> >had lined up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's =
>>house -
>> >a lawyer with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
>>Nothing.=20
>> I
>> >couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any jingle work in years.
>=
>> All
>> >the jingle writer/producers seem to have their own setups and use the
>=
>>big
>> >impressive studios for clients who want to see receptionists and 30
=
>>foot
>> >long consoles. =20
>> >
>> >So I'm looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school
>=
>>our
>> >10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once she has a
>=
>>groove
>> >going) and I can't support my family on what my studio makes. =
>>Which, at
>> >the moment, is almost nothing. I've thought about marketing myself
=
>>as a
>> >"recording consultant" to help people build and use their home =
>>studios but
>> >I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I've also thought about =
>>marketing
>> >my guitar playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get
>=
>>mix
>> >work. =20
>> >
>> >Sorry - I don't much know what I'm looking for here. I guess I'm =
>>just whining
>> >and venting a bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time
>=
>>to
>> >go sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school
=
>>bus!
>> > I'm told our county school system has great benefits. I'm about to
>=
>>turn
>> >56. Seems a little old to be trying to figure out what I'm going to
>=
>>be
>> when
>> >I grow up!
>> >
>> >Thanks for listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me
=
>>over
>> >the last 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every =
>>day.=20
>>
>> >
>> >Gantt
>>
>>
>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>><HTML><HEAD>
>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>><STYLE></STYLE>
>></HEAD>
>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Gantt,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My situation is similar to Rod's. =
>>I have been=20
>>nothing but a performer</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and studio owner since 1990 for =
>>income. My=20
>>main income has always been</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>performance based. The studio has =
>>had some=20
>>good years where it </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>made half =
>></FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as much as performance. If I were =
>>to compete=20
>>for full time business I'd have to</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hustle the work by attending live =
>>shows, giving=20
>>reduced rates and advertising.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do none of those things and still =
>>have more than=20
>>enough work to keep me</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. =
>>It would be=20
>>a scary prospect to rely</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>totally on the studio for income with
=
>>my mid level=20
>>room. I have friends with</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>higher and lower level rooms none of =
>>which are able=20
>>to make a living from it.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's a tough business but I love it =
>>when I'm caught=20
>>in the act!</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
>>t;=20
>> wrote in message <A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"news:47598db5$1@linux">news:47598db5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>I've=
>> been=20
>> doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life. =
>>Right<BR>now it's=20
>> probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my =
>>drumming<BR>is=20
>> recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so=20
>> far.<BR>We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do
=
>>if it=20
>> dries<BR>up).<BR>I've been lucky in that I have several corperate =
>>clients that=20
>> I do engineering,<BR>drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot of
>=
>>jingle=20
>> work (drumming)<BR>but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of
=
>>years.=20
>> I'm almost 48, so<BR>I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure
>=
>>out=20
>> something else if I<BR>have to.<BR>Rod Lincoln<BR>"Gantt Kushner" =
>><<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:ganttmann@comcast.net">ganttmann@comcast.net</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>..How many of you nice folks actually record =
>>music (with=20
>> or without Paris)<BR>>for your livings? About 13 - 14 years =
>>ago my=20
>> studio began to out-earn my<BR>>gigs playing guitar in local bands =
>>and it's=20
>> been my primary source of income<BR>>all this time. The =
>>problem is=20
>> it's not working very well anymore. I hardly<BR>>do any demo =
>>work for=20
>> bands these days. The last demo project I =
>>thought<BR>I<BR>>had lined=20
>> up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's house =
>>-<BR>>a lawyer=20
>> with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
>>Nothing.=20
>> <BR>I<BR>>couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any =
>>jingle work=20
>> in years. All<BR>>the jingle writer/producers seem to have =
>>their own=20
>> setups and use the big<BR>>impressive studios for clients who want =
>>to see=20
>> receptionists and 30 foot<BR>>long consoles. =
>><BR>><BR>>So I'm=20
>> looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school=20
>> our<BR>>10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once =
>>she has=20
>> a groove<BR>>going) and I can't support my family on what my =
>>studio=20
>> makes. Which, at<BR>>the moment, is almost nothing. =
>>I've=20
>> thought about marketing myself as a<BR>>"recording consultant" to =
>>help=20
>> people build and use their home studios but<BR>>I'm not sure how to =
>>go=20
>> about doing that. I've also thought about marketing<BR>>my =
>>guitar=20
>> playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get=20
>> mix<BR>>work. <BR>><BR>>Sorry - I don't much know what =
>>I'm=20
>> looking for here. I guess I'm just whining<BR>>and venting a=20
>> bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time =
>>to<BR>>go=20
>> sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school=20
>> bus!<BR>> I'm told our county school system has great =
>>benefits. I'm=20
>> about to turn<BR>>56. Seems a little old to be trying to =
>>figure out=20
>> what I'm going to be<BR>when<BR>>I grow up!<BR>><BR>>Thanks =
>>for=20
>> listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me =
>>over<BR>>the last=20
>> 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every day.=20
>> <BR><BR>><BR>>Gantt<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
>>and=20
>>you?<BR><A=20
>>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93416 is a reply to message #93412] |
Fri, 07 December 2007 18:08 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Senior Member |
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If you want to be in pop, forget your chops, buy a lot of fog and lights,
sequence and hire pretty boys and girls on contract to surround you. Be
creative with visuals, because the 'music' part of that is dead in local pop
bands and ppl listen with their eyes.
Make it loud and thumping, and make it an event, or no one will show up/come
back. remember the golden rule: boobs sell beers. Advertise, push push push
and sell it. If anyone in your band forgets that, remind once then replace
because there is absolutely no forgiveness in local/regional band pop. Do
this and you'll likely quadruple your income figures or greater. Keep it up
and you might become a decent touring act. Put money away, because there is
no insurance, no retirement and no promises in that field.
AA
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:4759bb14$1@linux...
>
> So what are you guys making playing out these days? I have a friend that
> keeps trying to get me to play in a top 40 rock band. It pays $100.00 a
> night, so i tell him no. If I played every friday and saturday all your
> long that's only $10,400.00 a year before taxes, and I would have to give
> up all my weekends.
>
> James
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Hi Gantt,
>>My situation is similar to Rod's. I have been nothing but a performer
>>and studio owner since 1990 for income. My main income has always been
>>performance based. The studio has had some good years where it made =
>>half=20
>>as much as performance. If I were to compete for full time business I'd
> =
>>have to
>>hustle the work by attending live shows, giving reduced rates and =
>>advertising.
>>I do none of those things and still have more than enough work to keep =
>>me
>>busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. It would be a scary prospect to rely
>>totally on the studio for income with my mid level room. I have friends
> =
>>with
>>higher and lower level rooms none of which are able to make a living =
>>from it.
>>
>>It's a tough business but I love it when I'm caught in the act!
>>Tom
>>
>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
>>news:47598db5$1@linux...
>>
>> I've been doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life. =
>>Right
>> now it's probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my =
>>drumming
>> is recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so
> =
>>far.
>> We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do if it =
>>dries
>> up).
>> I've been lucky in that I have several corperate clients that I do =
>>engineering,
>> drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot of jingle work =
>>(drumming)
>> but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of years. I'm almost =
>>48, so
>> I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure out something else if
> =
>>I
>> have to.
>> Rod Lincoln
>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >..How many of you nice folks actually record music (with or without =
>>Paris)
>> >for your livings? About 13 - 14 years ago my studio began to =
>>out-earn my
>> >gigs playing guitar in local bands and it's been my primary source of
> =
>>income
>> >all this time. The problem is it's not working very well anymore. I
> =
>>hardly
>> >do any demo work for bands these days. The last demo project I =
>>thought
>> I
>> >had lined up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's =
>>house -
>> >a lawyer with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
>>Nothing.=20
>> I
>> >couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any jingle work in years.
> =
>> All
>> >the jingle writer/producers seem to have their own setups and use the
> =
>>big
>> >impressive studios for clients who want to see receptionists and 30 =
>>foot
>> >long consoles. =20
>> >
>> >So I'm looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school
> =
>>our
>> >10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once she has a
> =
>>groove
>> >going) and I can't support my family on what my studio makes. =
>>Which, at
>> >the moment, is almost nothing. I've thought about marketing myself =
>>as a
>> >"recording consultant" to help people build and use their home =
>>studios but
>> >I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I've also thought about =
>>marketing
>> >my guitar playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get
> =
>>mix
>> >work. =20
>> >
>> >Sorry - I don't much know what I'm looking for here. I guess I'm =
>>just whining
>> >and venting a bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time
> =
>>to
>> >go sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school =
>>bus!
>> > I'm told our county school system has great benefits. I'm about to
> =
>>turn
>> >56. Seems a little old to be trying to figure out what I'm going to
> =
>>be
>> when
>> >I grow up!
>> >
>> >Thanks for listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me =
>>over
>> >the last 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every =
>>day.=20
>>
>> >
>> >Gantt
>>
>>
>>
>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>
>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>><HTML><HEAD>
>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>><STYLE></STYLE>
>></HEAD>
>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Gantt,</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My situation is similar to Rod's. =
>>I have been=20
>>nothing but a performer</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and studio owner since 1990 for =
>>income. My=20
>>main income has always been</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>performance based. The studio has =
>>had some=20
>>good years where it </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>made half =
>></FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as much as performance. If I were =
>>to compete=20
>>for full time business I'd have to</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hustle the work by attending live =
>>shows, giving=20
>>reduced rates and advertising.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do none of those things and still =
>>have more than=20
>>enough work to keep me</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. =
>>It would be=20
>>a scary prospect to rely</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>totally on the studio for income with =
>>my mid level=20
>>room. I have friends with</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>higher and lower level rooms none of =
>>which are able=20
>>to make a living from it.</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's a tough business but I love it =
>>when I'm caught=20
>>in the act!</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
>>t;=20
>> wrote in message <A=20
>> =
>>href=3D"news:47598db5$1@linux">news:47598db5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>I've=
>> been=20
>> doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life. =
>>Right<BR>now it's=20
>> probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my =
>>drumming<BR>is=20
>> recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so=20
>> far.<BR>We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do =
>>if it=20
>> dries<BR>up).<BR>I've been lucky in that I have several corperate =
>>clients that=20
>> I do engineering,<BR>drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot of
> =
>>jingle=20
>> work (drumming)<BR>but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of =
>>years.=20
>> I'm almost 48, so<BR>I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure
> =
>>out=20
>> something else if I<BR>have to.<BR>Rod Lincoln<BR>"Gantt Kushner" =
>><<A=20
>> href=3D"mailto:ganttmann@comcast.net">ganttmann@comcast.net</A>>=20
>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>..How many of you nice folks actually record =
>>music (with=20
>> or without Paris)<BR>>for your livings? About 13 - 14 years =
>>ago my=20
>> studio began to out-earn my<BR>>gigs playing guitar in local bands =
>>and it's=20
>> been my primary source of income<BR>>all this time. The =
>>problem is=20
>> it's not working very well anymore. I hardly<BR>>do any demo =
>>work for=20
>> bands these days. The last demo project I =
>>thought<BR>I<BR>>had lined=20
>> up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's house =
>>-<BR>>a lawyer=20
>> with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
>>Nothing.=20
>> <BR>I<BR>>couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any =
>>jingle work=20
>> in years. All<BR>>the jingle writer/producers seem to have =
>>their own=20
>> setups and use the big<BR>>impressive studios for clients who want =
>>to see=20
>> receptionists and 30 foot<BR>>long consoles. =
>><BR>><BR>>So I'm=20
>> looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school=20
>> our<BR>>10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once =
>>she has=20
>> a groove<BR>>going) and I can't support my family on what my =
>>studio=20
>> makes. Which, at<BR>>the moment, is almost nothing. =
>>I've=20
>> thought about marketing myself as a<BR>>"recording consultant" to =
>>help=20
>> people build and use their home studios but<BR>>I'm not sure how to =
>>go=20
>> about doing that. I've also thought about marketing<BR>>my =
>>guitar=20
>> playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get=20
>> mix<BR>>work. <BR>><BR>>Sorry - I don't much know what =
>>I'm=20
>> looking for here. I guess I'm just whining<BR>>and venting a=20
>> bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time =
>>to<BR>>go=20
>> sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school=20
>> bus!<BR>> I'm told our county school system has great =
>>benefits. I'm=20
>> about to turn<BR>>56. Seems a little old to be trying to =
>>figure out=20
>> what I'm going to be<BR>when<BR>>I grow up!<BR>><BR>>Thanks =
>>for=20
>> listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me =
>>over<BR>>the last=20
>> 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every day.=20
>> <BR><BR>><BR>>Gantt<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
>>and=20
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>>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93422 is a reply to message #93416] |
Fri, 07 December 2007 22:25 |
John Macy
Messages: 242
Registered: April 2006
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"Put money away, because there is
no insurance, no retirement and no promises in that field."
Gee, Aaron, NOW you tell me...
:)
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>If you want to be in pop, forget your chops, buy a lot of fog and lights,
>sequence and hire pretty boys and girls on contract to surround you. Be
>creative with visuals, because the 'music' part of that is dead in local
pop
>bands and ppl listen with their eyes.
>Make it loud and thumping, and make it an event, or no one will show up/come
>back. remember the golden rule: boobs sell beers. Advertise, push push push
>and sell it. If anyone in your band forgets that, remind once then replace
>because there is absolutely no forgiveness in local/regional band pop. Do
>this and you'll likely quadruple your income figures or greater. Keep it
up
>and you might become a decent touring act. Put money away, because there
is
>no insurance, no retirement and no promises in that field.
>
>AA
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:4759bb14$1@linux...
>>
>> So what are you guys making playing out these days? I have a friend
that
>> keeps trying to get me to play in a top 40 rock band. It pays $100.00
a
>> night, so i tell him no. If I played every friday and saturday all your
>> long that's only $10,400.00 a year before taxes, and I would have to give
>> up all my weekends.
>>
>> James
>>
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Gantt,
>>>My situation is similar to Rod's. I have been nothing but a performer
>>>and studio owner since 1990 for income. My main income has always been
>>>performance based. The studio has had some good years where it made =
>>>half=20
>>>as much as performance. If I were to compete for full time business I'd
>> =
>>>have to
>>>hustle the work by attending live shows, giving reduced rates and =
>>>advertising.
>>>I do none of those things and still have more than enough work to keep
=
>>>me
>>>busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. It would be a scary prospect to rely
>>>totally on the studio for income with my mid level room. I have friends
>> =
>>>with
>>>higher and lower level rooms none of which are able to make a living =
>>>from it.
>>>
>>>It's a tough business but I love it when I'm caught in the act!
>>>Tom
>>>
>>> "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
>>>news:47598db5$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I've been doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life.
=
>>>Right
>>> now it's probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my
=
>>>drumming
>>> is recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so
>> =
>>>far.
>>> We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do if it =
>>>dries
>>> up).
>>> I've been lucky in that I have several corperate clients that I do =
>>>engineering,
>>> drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot of jingle work =
>>>(drumming)
>>> but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of years. I'm almost
=
>>>48, so
>>> I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure out something else
if
>> =
>>>I
>>> have to.
>>> Rod Lincoln
>>> "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >..How many of you nice folks actually record music (with or without
=
>>>Paris)
>>> >for your livings? About 13 - 14 years ago my studio began to =
>>>out-earn my
>>> >gigs playing guitar in local bands and it's been my primary source
of
>> =
>>>income
>>> >all this time. The problem is it's not working very well anymore.
I
>> =
>>>hardly
>>> >do any demo work for bands these days. The last demo project I =
>>>thought
>>> I
>>> >had lined up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's =
>>>house -
>>> >a lawyer with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
>>>Nothing.=20
>>> I
>>> >couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any jingle work in years.
>> =
>>> All
>>> >the jingle writer/producers seem to have their own setups and use the
>> =
>>>big
>>> >impressive studios for clients who want to see receptionists and 30
=
>>>foot
>>> >long consoles. =20
>>> >
>>> >So I'm looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school
>> =
>>>our
>>> >10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once she has
a
>> =
>>>groove
>>> >going) and I can't support my family on what my studio makes. =
>>>Which, at
>>> >the moment, is almost nothing. I've thought about marketing myself
=
>>>as a
>>> >"recording consultant" to help people build and use their home =
>>>studios but
>>> >I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I've also thought about =
>>>marketing
>>> >my guitar playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get
>> =
>>>mix
>>> >work. =20
>>> >
>>> >Sorry - I don't much know what I'm looking for here. I guess I'm =
>>>just whining
>>> >and venting a bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time
>> =
>>>to
>>> >go sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school
=
>>>bus!
>>> > I'm told our county school system has great benefits. I'm about to
>> =
>>>turn
>>> >56. Seems a little old to be trying to figure out what I'm going to
>> =
>>>be
>>> when
>>> >I grow up!
>>> >
>>> >Thanks for listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me
=
>>>over
>>> >the last 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every =
>>>day.=20
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Gantt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>>>
>>><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
>>><HTML><HEAD>
>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
>>>charset=3Diso-8859-1">
>>><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
>>><STYLE></STYLE>
>>></HEAD>
>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Gantt,</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My situation is similar to Rod's. =
>>>I have been=20
>>>nothing but a performer</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and studio owner since 1990 for =
>>>income. My=20
>>>main income has always been</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>performance based. The studio has =
>>>had some=20
>>>good years where it </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>made half =
>>></FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as much as performance. If I were =
>>>to compete=20
>>>for full time business I'd have to</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hustle the work by attending live =
>>>shows, giving=20
>>>reduced rates and advertising.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do none of those things and still =
>>>have more than=20
>>>enough work to keep me</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. =
>>>It would be=20
>>>a scary prospect to rely</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>totally on the studio for income with
=
>>>my mid level=20
>>>room. I have friends with</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>higher and lower level rooms none of
=
>>>which are able=20
>>>to make a living from it.</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's a tough business but I love it =
>>>when I'm caught=20
>>>in the act!</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
>>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>> <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
>>>t;=20
>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>> =
>>>href=3D"news:47598db5$1@linux">news:47598db5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>I've=
>>> been=20
>>> doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life. =
>>>Right<BR>now it's=20
>>> probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my =
>>>drumming<BR>is=20
>>> recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so=20
>>> far.<BR>We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do
=
>>>if it=20
>>> dries<BR>up).<BR>I've been lucky in that I have several corperate =
>>>clients that=20
>>> I do engineering,<BR>drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot
of
>> =
>>>jingle=20
>>> work (drumming)<BR>but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of
=
>>>years.=20
>>> I'm almost 48, so<BR>I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure
>> =
>>>out=20
>>> something else if I<BR>have to.<BR>Rod Lincoln<BR>"Gantt Kushner" =
>>><<A=20
>>> href=3D"mailto:ganttmann@comcast.net">ganttmann@comcast.net</A>>=20
>>> wrote:<BR>><BR>>..How many of you nice folks actually record =
>>>music (with=20
>>> or without Paris)<BR>>for your livings? About 13 - 14 years =
>>>ago my=20
>>> studio began to out-earn my<BR>>gigs playing guitar in local bands =
>>>and it's=20
>>> been my primary source of income<BR>>all this time. The =
>>>problem is=20
>>> it's not working very well anymore. I hardly<BR>>do any demo =
>>>work for=20
>>> bands these days. The last demo project I =
>>>thought<BR>I<BR>>had lined=20
>>> up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's house =
>>>-<BR>>a lawyer=20
>>> with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
>>>Nothing.=20
>>> <BR>I<BR>>couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any =
>>>jingle work=20
>>> in years. All<BR>>the jingle writer/producers seem to have =
>>>their own=20
>>> setups and use the big<BR>>impressive studios for clients who want =
>>>to see=20
>>> receptionists and 30 foot<BR>>long consoles. =
>>><BR>><BR>>So I'm=20
>>> looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school=20
>>> our<BR>>10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once =
>>>she has=20
>>> a groove<BR>>going) and I can't support my family on what my =
>>>studio=20
>>> makes. Which, at<BR>>the moment, is almost nothing. =
>>>I've=20
>>> thought about marketing myself as a<BR>>"recording consultant" to =
>>>help=20
>>> people build and use their home studios but<BR>>I'm not sure how to
=
>>>go=20
>>> about doing that. I've also thought about marketing<BR>>my =
>>>guitar=20
>>> playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get=20
>>> mix<BR>>work. <BR>><BR>>Sorry - I don't much know what =
>>>I'm=20
>>> looking for here. I guess I'm just whining<BR>>and venting a=20
>>> bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time =
>>>to<BR>>go=20
>>> sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school=20
>>> bus!<BR>> I'm told our county school system has great =
>>>benefits. I'm=20
>>> about to turn<BR>>56. Seems a little old to be trying to =
>>>figure out=20
>>> what I'm going to be<BR>when<BR>>I grow up!<BR>><BR>>Thanks =
>>>for=20
>>> listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me =
>>>over<BR>>the last=20
>>> 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every day.=20
>>> <BR><BR>><BR>>Gantt<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
>>><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam,
=
>>>and=20
>>>you?<BR><A=20
>>>href=3D"http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html">http://www.polesoft.com/refer=
>>>.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
>>>
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93523 is a reply to message #93411] |
Tue, 11 December 2007 20:25 |
tonehouse
Messages: 184
Registered: July 2006
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Senior Member |
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Hi Gantt...I know exactly how you feel..I have just been doing "Vanity
Projects" for local,semi-pro, singer-songwriters the past few years...Some
of it is very good...alot of it is pretty boring. I was touring all the time
in the 90's ,but the past few years it has not been worth it ,because the
expenses have gone up so much .You DO have to be on a "national " level to
draw any audience...the small,and mid-level pros are being cut out. Good for
you that you are "venting" your concerns. I just became a grandfather in
August ! Take care,and good luck finding a "real job"...you should be
playing ,you're a great player..., Zan
"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:4759ac00$1@linux...
>
> What kind of gigs do you guys play? Clubs around the Washington, DC area
pay
> $80 - $100 unless it's a jazz gig in which case it could be as low as $50
> a night. "Society" gigs pay union scale which is around $200 - $250 for
> a typical Saturday night gig. Established wedding/event bands pay $250 -
> $300 for sidemen. Even if I could work 7 nights a week I'd still go broke
> trying to support my family but the sad fact of life around here is that
> there are very few gigs and many, many musicians chasing after them. My
> friend and neighbor Mike Auldridge just came off the road from a tour with
> Emmy Lou Harris. If I could start working at that level things might be
> different around here!
>
> Gantt
>
> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >Hi Gantt,
> >My situation is similar to Rod's. I have been nothing but a performer
> >and studio owner since 1990 for income. My main income has always been
> >performance based. The studio has had some good years where it made =
> >half=20
> >as much as performance. If I were to compete for full time business I'd
> =
> >have to
> >hustle the work by attending live shows, giving reduced rates and =
> >advertising.
> >I do none of those things and still have more than enough work to keep =
> >me
> >busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. It would be a scary prospect to rely
> >totally on the studio for income with my mid level room. I have friends
> =
> >with
> >higher and lower level rooms none of which are able to make a living =
> >from it.
> >
> >It's a tough business but I love it when I'm caught in the act!
> >Tom
> >
> > "Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message =
> >news:47598db5$1@linux...
> >
> > I've been doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life. =
> >Right
> > now it's probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my =
> >drumming
> > is recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so
> =
> >far.
> > We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do if it =
> >dries
> > up).
> > I've been lucky in that I have several corperate clients that I do =
> >engineering,
> > drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot of jingle work =
> >(drumming)
> > but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of years. I'm almost =
> >48, so
> > I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure out something else if
> =
> >I
> > have to.
> > Rod Lincoln
> > "Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >..How many of you nice folks actually record music (with or without =
> >Paris)
> > >for your livings? About 13 - 14 years ago my studio began to =
> >out-earn my
> > >gigs playing guitar in local bands and it's been my primary source of
> =
> >income
> > >all this time. The problem is it's not working very well anymore. I
> =
> >hardly
> > >do any demo work for bands these days. The last demo project I =
> >thought
> > I
> > >had lined up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's =
> >house -
> > >a lawyer with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
> >Nothing.=20
> > I
> > >couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any jingle work in years.
> =
> > All
> > >the jingle writer/producers seem to have their own setups and use the
> =
> >big
> > >impressive studios for clients who want to see receptionists and 30 =
> >foot
> > >long consoles. =20
> > >
> > >So I'm looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school
> =
> >our
> > >10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once she has a
> =
> >groove
> > >going) and I can't support my family on what my studio makes. =
> >Which, at
> > >the moment, is almost nothing. I've thought about marketing myself =
> >as a
> > >"recording consultant" to help people build and use their home =
> >studios but
> > >I'm not sure how to go about doing that. I've also thought about =
> >marketing
> > >my guitar playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get
> =
> >mix
> > >work. =20
> > >
> > >Sorry - I don't much know what I'm looking for here. I guess I'm =
> >just whining
> > >and venting a bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time
> =
> >to
> > >go sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school =
> >bus!
> > > I'm told our county school system has great benefits. I'm about to
> =
> >turn
> > >56. Seems a little old to be trying to figure out what I'm going to
> =
> >be
> > when
> > >I grow up!
> > >
> > >Thanks for listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me =
> >over
> > >the last 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every =
> >day.=20
> >
> > >
> > >Gantt
> >
> >
> >
> >I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> >http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
> >
> ><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
> ><HTML><HEAD>
> ><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
> >charset=3Diso-8859-1">
> ><META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2800.1400" name=3DGENERATOR>
> ><STYLE></STYLE>
> ></HEAD>
> ><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Gantt,</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My situation is similar to Rod's. =
> >I have been=20
> >nothing but a performer</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and studio owner since 1990 for =
> >income. My=20
> >main income has always been</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>performance based. The studio has =
> >had some=20
> >good years where it </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>made half =
> ></FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>as much as performance. If I were =
> >to compete=20
> >for full time business I'd have to</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hustle the work by attending live =
> >shows, giving=20
> >reduced rates and advertising.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I do none of those things and still =
> >have more than=20
> >enough work to keep me</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>busy 2-3 days/week in the studio. =
> >It would be=20
> >a scary prospect to rely</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>totally on the studio for income with =
> >my mid level=20
> >room. I have friends with</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>higher and lower level rooms none of =
> >which are able=20
> >to make a living from it.</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's a tough business but I love it =
> >when I'm caught=20
> >in the act!</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
> ><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
> ><BLOCKQUOTE=20
> >style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
> >BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
> > <DIV>"Rod Lincoln" <<A=20
> > =
>
>href=3D"mailto:rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com">rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com</A>&g=
> >t;=20
> > wrote in message <A=20
> > =
>
>href=3D"news:47598db5$1@linux">news:47598db5$1@linux</A>...</DIV><BR>I've=
> > been=20
> > doing nothing else but playing and recording my hole life. =
> >Right<BR>now it's=20
> > probably 60% playing drums and 40% engineering. Most of my =
> >drumming<BR>is=20
> > recording drum tracks, but I play gigs too. I've had a good run so=20
> > far.<BR>We'll see. I always think about things like that (what to do =
> >if it=20
> > dries<BR>up).<BR>I've been lucky in that I have several corperate =
> >clients that=20
> > I do engineering,<BR>drumming, and producing for. I use to do a lot of
> =
> >jingle=20
> > work (drumming)<BR>but that's kind of dried up in the last couple of =
> >years.=20
> > I'm almost 48, so<BR>I hope it continues for a while, or I can figure
> =
> >out=20
> > something else if I<BR>have to.<BR>Rod Lincoln<BR>"Gantt Kushner" =
> ><<A=20
> > href=3D"mailto:ganttmann@comcast.net">ganttmann@comcast.net</A>>=20
> > wrote:<BR>><BR>>..How many of you nice folks actually record =
> >music (with=20
> > or without Paris)<BR>>for your livings? About 13 - 14 years =
> >ago my=20
> > studio began to out-earn my<BR>>gigs playing guitar in local bands =
> >and it's=20
> > been my primary source of income<BR>>all this time. The =
> >problem is=20
> > it's not working very well anymore. I hardly<BR>>do any demo =
> >work for=20
> > bands these days. The last demo project I =
> >thought<BR>I<BR>>had lined=20
> > up ended up going to a friend of their guitar player's house =
> >-<BR>>a lawyer=20
> > with a Protools studio in his basement. The price? =
> >Nothing.=20
> > <BR>I<BR>>couldn't compete with that! I haven't done any =
> >jingle work=20
> > in years. All<BR>>the jingle writer/producers seem to have =
> >their own=20
> > setups and use the big<BR>>impressive studios for clients who want =
> >to see=20
> > receptionists and 30 foot<BR>>long consoles. =
> ><BR>><BR>>So I'm=20
> > looking for a "real" job. My wife quit her job to home school=20
> > our<BR>>10 year old son (and probably our 8 year old daughter once =
> >she has=20
> > a groove<BR>>going) and I can't support my family on what my =
> >studio=20
> > makes. Which, at<BR>>the moment, is almost nothing. =
> >I've=20
> > thought about marketing myself as a<BR>>"recording consultant" to =
> >help=20
> > people build and use their home studios but<BR>>I'm not sure how to =
> >go=20
> > about doing that. I've also thought about marketing<BR>>my =
> >guitar=20
> > playing skills for home recordists and maybe trying to get=20
> > mix<BR>>work. <BR>><BR>>Sorry - I don't much know what =
> >I'm=20
> > looking for here. I guess I'm just whining<BR>>and venting a=20
> > bit. I suppose I had a pretty good run. Now it's time =
> >to<BR>>go=20
> > sell video systems for the local music store. Or drive a school=20
> > bus!<BR>> I'm told our county school system has great =
> >benefits. I'm=20
> > about to turn<BR>>56. Seems a little old to be trying to =
> >figure out=20
> > what I'm going to be<BR>when<BR>>I grow up!<BR>><BR>>Thanks =
> >for=20
> > listening. You people have felt a lot like friends to me =
> >over<BR>>the last=20
> > 5 - 6 years that I've been hanging out here almost every day.=20
> > <BR><BR>><BR>>Gantt<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
> ><DIV><FONT size=3D2><BR><BR>I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, =
> >and=20
> >you?<BR><A=20
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> >.html</A> </FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93534 is a reply to message #93523] |
Wed, 12 December 2007 06:18 |
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Hey Zan,
Congratulations on achieving Grand Fatherhood! Mine are young enough to
be grandchildren, but... I guess we're just Late Bloomers. It's too bad
you aren't able to make a better living playing out - you're a great player!
Maybe we should start a band and be unemployed together...
Gantt
"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
>Hi Gantt...I know exactly how you feel..I have just been doing "Vanity
>Projects" for local,semi-pro, singer-songwriters the past few years...Some
>of it is very good...alot of it is pretty boring. I was touring all the
time
>in the 90's ,but the past few years it has not been worth it ,because the
>expenses have gone up so much .You DO have to be on a "national " level
to
>draw any audience...the small,and mid-level pros are being cut out. Good
for
>you that you are "venting" your concerns. I just became a grandfather in
>August ! Take care,and good luck finding a "real job"...you should be
>playing ,you're a great player..., Zan
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93544 is a reply to message #93511] |
Wed, 12 December 2007 16:02 |
tonehouse
Messages: 184
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It all depends on your location,and supply/demand.There are alot of venues
of all types here in the Washington D.C vicinity,and alot opf competition
for your "entertainment dollar" The fellow who said "Boobs Sell Beer" is
really right....The best venues actually have more out of town/touring acts
than local acts. All the places that offer weeknight gigs are drying up..it
really is becoming "weekend only" more and more,to actually make any
money....Also on the recording biz side,there are a few good "professional"
studios here such as Bias,Cue, and Omega. I have worked at all of these many
times...but less and less the past few years...partly because of my own
equipment,but mostly because that the people who used to hire me for
sessions,either playing guitar or producing, now have their own
studios...The pro places are struggling. Gantts studio is very nice,and it's
too bad he is not doing really well...Everybody has Pro Tools now...Also,no
one has a record budget anymore...or money to pay a producer,and alot of
times a Mastering engineer...so you "do it your self"
"David L" <david@revealaudio.com> wrote in message news:475eeb9f$1@linux...
> I've been doing what I do full time since around 2000. I'm a little
> different from a regular recording studio in that I provide musical
services
> (bass, guitar, keys, computer based percussion & orchestration),
> mixing/engineering, and mastering for my clients. The reason I get my
> repeat work is mainly due to the musical services I offer. Except for a
> very few years, I've always been a self-employed full-time working
musician.
>
>
> That being said, the main thing on my mind these days is to try and peer a
> little into the future to find out how the people who've spent money
> recording a project with me can recoup their investment and actually turn
a
> profit. I feel as long as there is a way for someone to earn their money
> back, it can justify the need to spend money with me to create something
> new.
>
> David L
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93550 is a reply to message #93544] |
Wed, 12 December 2007 18:32 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
>Also,no one has a record budget anymore...or money to pay a
>producer,and alot of times a Mastering engineer.
That's because musicians don't believe in sacrifice for their
art any more - back in my day (lol) musicians had recording
budgets, but not a car payment... we'd buy whatever used car we
could pay cash for because we had to have money for a decent
guitar (or a couple) & amp, and to chip in for the PA, and we
had to set some aside to build up a.... (wait for it) RECORDING
BUDGET. We'd have seven of us of us rooming in a two-bedroom
apartment, two in each bedroom with particle board partitions
down the middle & three gys who called themsleves our "roadies"
splitting the living room... ON SLEEPING BAGS! We didn't even
care if they ever picked up a piece of gear (although they most
of the time did), we just wanted them for the additional rent
& food & utility splits! Nowadays musicians don't have a
recording budget, but they drive a brand-new Mustang & they
each have their OWN apartment and let their girlfriends live
there with them FOR FREE!!! I mean, come ON, you're a MUSICIAN!
The girlfriend's supposed to support YOU!!! They gig with
Squier Strats & Behringer amps, but they have an apartment full
of leather furniture & they'll spend $60 for a t-shirt from
Abercrombie & Fitch... A FUCKING T-SHIRT!!! So, no WONDER they
don't have a recording budget!!! Oh, but they ALLLllllLLL have
iPods & cellphones, though, don't they! Back in MY DAY,
musicians had the worst stereos of ANYONE - never mind anything
as new & high-tech like an iPod; and if we needed to make a
phone call we walked next door & asked the neighbor if we could
use theirs & promised it wouldn't be long distance like the
last time - no that wasn't me, that was Bob, the drummer, we
fired him over that! Honest!
Kids these days, they just don't take this music stuff seriously
anymore, like WE used to.
lol, ok - that was just bullshitting for fun, but some of it's
true, you gotta admit!
;)
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93554 is a reply to message #93550] |
Wed, 12 December 2007 19:33 |
tonehouse
Messages: 184
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I ate my share of oatmeal and peanut butter...slept on alot of floors....or
didn't sleep at all.,didn't even have a car at times..invested in the "band
van"..What do you call a musician without a girlfriend.."Homeless"...that
was SO TRUE in the 70's,and 80's...happy holidaze
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:47608bc7$1@linux...
>
> "tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Also,no one has a record budget anymore...or money to pay a
> >producer,and alot of times a Mastering engineer.
>
> That's because musicians don't believe in sacrifice for their
> art any more - back in my day (lol) musicians had recording
> budgets, but not a car payment... we'd buy whatever used car we
> could pay cash for because we had to have money for a decent
> guitar (or a couple) & amp, and to chip in for the PA, and we
> had to set some aside to build up a.... (wait for it) RECORDING
> BUDGET. We'd have seven of us of us rooming in a two-bedroom
> apartment, two in each bedroom with particle board partitions
> down the middle & three gys who called themsleves our "roadies"
> splitting the living room... ON SLEEPING BAGS! We didn't even
> care if they ever picked up a piece of gear (although they most
> of the time did), we just wanted them for the additional rent
> & food & utility splits! Nowadays musicians don't have a
> recording budget, but they drive a brand-new Mustang & they
> each have their OWN apartment and let their girlfriends live
> there with them FOR FREE!!! I mean, come ON, you're a MUSICIAN!
> The girlfriend's supposed to support YOU!!! They gig with
> Squier Strats & Behringer amps, but they have an apartment full
> of leather furniture & they'll spend $60 for a t-shirt from
> Abercrombie & Fitch... A FUCKING T-SHIRT!!! So, no WONDER they
> don't have a recording budget!!! Oh, but they ALLLllllLLL have
> iPods & cellphones, though, don't they! Back in MY DAY,
> musicians had the worst stereos of ANYONE - never mind anything
> as new & high-tech like an iPod; and if we needed to make a
> phone call we walked next door & asked the neighbor if we could
> use theirs & promised it wouldn't be long distance like the
> last time - no that wasn't me, that was Bob, the drummer, we
> fired him over that! Honest!
>
> Kids these days, they just don't take this music stuff seriously
> anymore, like WE used to.
>
>
> lol, ok - that was just bullshitting for fun, but some of it's
> true, you gotta admit!
>
> ;)
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93555 is a reply to message #93550] |
Wed, 12 December 2007 21:11 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
Registered: June 2007
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Yes, I agree to some extent, I have good friends that still live the bohemian
life style. I ate raman noodles and lived off 2.50 six packs or bartender
friend for a long time..Toured England in a deathtrap van..all got sick as
dogs from not eating...
However, the Ipod and Cellphone actually help out. With a cell phone you
don't have to worry about your roomates running up the bill and not paying...and,
with an Ipod..you can travel or move around alot without carrying all those
vinyl records. More room for beat up guitars in the shit box van.
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>Also,no one has a record budget anymore...or money to pay a
>>producer,and alot of times a Mastering engineer.
>
>That's because musicians don't believe in sacrifice for their
>art any more - back in my day (lol) musicians had recording
>budgets, but not a car payment... we'd buy whatever used car we
>could pay cash for because we had to have money for a decent
>guitar (or a couple) & amp, and to chip in for the PA, and we
>had to set some aside to build up a.... (wait for it) RECORDING
>BUDGET. We'd have seven of us of us rooming in a two-bedroom
>apartment, two in each bedroom with particle board partitions
>down the middle & three gys who called themsleves our "roadies"
>splitting the living room... ON SLEEPING BAGS! We didn't even
>care if they ever picked up a piece of gear (although they most
>of the time did), we just wanted them for the additional rent
>& food & utility splits! Nowadays musicians don't have a
>recording budget, but they drive a brand-new Mustang & they
>each have their OWN apartment and let their girlfriends live
>there with them FOR FREE!!! I mean, come ON, you're a MUSICIAN!
>The girlfriend's supposed to support YOU!!! They gig with
>Squier Strats & Behringer amps, but they have an apartment full
>of leather furniture & they'll spend $60 for a t-shirt from
>Abercrombie & Fitch... A FUCKING T-SHIRT!!! So, no WONDER they
>don't have a recording budget!!! Oh, but they ALLLllllLLL have
>iPods & cellphones, though, don't they! Back in MY DAY,
>musicians had the worst stereos of ANYONE - never mind anything
>as new & high-tech like an iPod; and if we needed to make a
>phone call we walked next door & asked the neighbor if we could
>use theirs & promised it wouldn't be long distance like the
>last time - no that wasn't me, that was Bob, the drummer, we
>fired him over that! Honest!
>
>Kids these days, they just don't take this music stuff seriously
>anymore, like WE used to.
>
>
>lol, ok - that was just bullshitting for fun, but some of it's
>true, you gotta admit!
>
>;)
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93557 is a reply to message #93550] |
Wed, 12 December 2007 23:45 |
Brian the Folksinger[1]
Messages: 4
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"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
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>"tonehouse" <zmcleod@comcast.net> wrote:
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>That's because musicians don't believe in sacrifice for their
>art any more -
yeah, its hard keeping up the old standards and traditions but someone has
to do it! Sometimes I think I'm just trapped in living a dream of a mystic
american character like the cowboy or those ren-fair celtic folks. I've got
over 30 years playing the street (pays better than gigs and is steady work,
if a tough venue) though inside gigs are nice when you can get 'em (is a
festival gig "inside"?). Never tried to get rich or famous, just a working-class
singer, making a living, getting by, and well, maybe unwilling to compromise
my music to please venues need for the latest pop genres or styles..acoustic
folk/rock/blues/traditional hasn't been terribly "pop" for hmmm 30 years..
though it is coming back full circle to the vocal-acoustic style music I
do, pretty cool.. though I'm a fogey now, well, I'm not the only one! Though
the people have always loved what I do, that's been soooo cool, who cares
what managers etc think, its the people that count. I'm still living in an
old van tho I just scored a 80' toyota corolla for free (was sitting out
in a field for 5 years or so).. better on gas at least for local around here!
A little work and it Runs! I make $5K-$8K on an ok year, its enough, never
had to do anything else.. fests and coffeehouses, camping out in the wild
woods, follow the seasons Alaska to Florida each year, living the life, all
for the music.. hmm never found a girl who could deal with it though.. no
hard feelings, its a hard life, can't recommend it unless you just can't
live without playing..though certainly recommend the day job, even if i never
went for it.. too busy playing..(or tuning?)
Only practical solution to "leaving a record" of my music was DIY (though
I did a couple CDs in a studio, hey they'd never seen an instrument like
mine in their lives and well, maybe I just wasn't "up" at 4 pm thursday,
and i couldn't afford to spend much time..I saw digital arrive and new it
was the answer to affordable recording (Appropriate Technology!!!!) So saved
up and bought a couple Paris cards at auction, built a Daw when the latest
greatest processor was an athlon K7550, and it still works just fine. good
enough to do the job, running PARIS of course, which makes all the difference!
Though I'd be the first to say that what you pay for isn't the studio, it
is the engineer.. I depend on the sound person on stage, its their art and
they know it way better than me.. I do the best I can as a recording engineer,
but I'm definitely not one.. PARIS is way better than I am at using it, which
really helps! Lucky my music is pretty uncomplicated, and I take notes from
the sound folks who mix me well on any fest stage. Hard to go wrong with
a simple mix, a couple great microphones and PARIS.
peace (love, freedom, justice)
Brian
Folksinger
www.pan.com/folksinger
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| Re: I was just wondering... [message #93577 is a reply to message #93569] |
Thu, 13 December 2007 13:25 |
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I prefer to think of it as "under-employed"
"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
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>No, because then you'd actually REALIZE you were unemployed!
> lol
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>"Gantt Kushner" <ganttmann@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>Think it'd work without the drugs?
>>
>>"Neil" <OIOI@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>>People already tried that, remember? (It was called "Haight-
>>>Ashbury")
>>>
>>>:D
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>
Gantt Kushner
Gizmo Recording Company
Silver Spring, MD
www.gizmorecording.com
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