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| PARIS is still rockin' [message #65679] |
Thu, 23 March 2006 18:59  |
DC
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Hey all,
Just finished a nearly all-day track replacement session for the live
album I am in the middle of.
I still love this system. With careful mixing and use of processors
you can still do just stellar work with PARIS. Everyone loves the
sound.
This should be done in a few more weeks and I should be able to
post some samples.
I'm stickin' with PARIS.
DC
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| Re: PARIS is still rockin' [message #65692 is a reply to message #65688] |
Fri, 24 March 2006 08:44  |
zmora
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For music sound is important, no "flowers%fontains".
Of course, there are much of limitations why for compositions,
recording and MIDI I use Traction.Then I export all waves to Paris for mix
and mixdown.In this point Paris is great.
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hey Don,
>I'm with you. You know, I've heard folks comment on how easy it is to mix
>in Paris. One reason is clearly the fact that the sonics are so good.
But
>I think the other may be the LACK of all kinds of features and options.
>I'm not knockin' features, or their ultimate utility in music making, but
>the limitations of the Paris seem to help me (force me) to stay focused
on
>the tones.
>Cheeers,
>MR
>
>
>"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44235265$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Just finished a nearly all-day track replacement session for the live
>> album I am in the middle of.
>>
>> I still love this system. With careful mixing and use of processors
>> you can still do just stellar work with PARIS. Everyone loves the
>> sound.
>>
>> This should be done in a few more weeks and I should be able to
>> post some samples.
>>
>> I'm stickin' with PARIS.
>>
>> DC
>>
>
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| Re: PARIS is still rockin' [message #65698 is a reply to message #65688] |
Fri, 24 March 2006 11:49 |
DC
Messages: 722
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I taught a class in mixing the other day, and I told them, about
5 times, that the MIX, meaning level, stereo placement, and EQ,
is *everything* and that FX should not even be considered until you
have a great mix and then hear the need for them and use them
with intent.
As a guy who learned on tape, mixer, patch bay and splicing block,
PARIS seems to have a milllion features, but I know there are apps
with way more out there.
I used to say: "there are 2 things in audio, cheap talk and what's
on tape" and it is still true. Anyone who can't make a great record
with PARIS, should go into some other line of work.
Actually we should all go into some other line of work... For the
number of skills any decent engineer possesses, we should make
a minimum of 100K a year.
grrrr
DC
"Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hey Don,
>I'm with you. You know, I've heard folks comment on how easy it is to mix
>in Paris. One reason is clearly the fact that the sonics are so good.
But
>I think the other may be the LACK of all kinds of features and options.
>I'm not knockin' features, or their ultimate utility in music making, but
>the limitations of the Paris seem to help me (force me) to stay focused
on
>the tones.
>Cheeers,
>MR
>
>
>"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44235265$1@linux...
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Just finished a nearly all-day track replacement session for the live
>> album I am in the middle of.
>>
>> I still love this system. With careful mixing and use of processors
>> you can still do just stellar work with PARIS. Everyone loves the
>> sound.
>>
>> This should be done in a few more weeks and I should be able to
>> post some samples.
>>
>> I'm stickin' with PARIS.
>>
>> DC
>>
>
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| Re: PARIS is still rockin' [message #65700 is a reply to message #65698] |
Fri, 24 March 2006 10:58 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
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Don,
One of the coolest things about Cubase SX is it's editor. You can do much,
very quickly and it's possible to easily mix by just fading tracks in and
out in the editor. Having said that, one of the coolest things about Paris
is the ability to assign tracks to groups and then fade them in and out in
inverse relation to each other. I'm still considering selling off most of my
SX rig and using the money for hardware FX. thing is, the UAD-1 plugins
really *are* awesome. Having lots of Pultecs and 1176's for drum tracks and
L-2A's for guitar and certain vocals along with the Fairchild for strapping
across a bass guitar is something I don't think I can ever live without now.
All in all, given the relative benefits of both programs vs the way I work
here, if Paris had PDC, I would not even be using SX at all except for midi.
;o)
"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44243f50$1@linux...
>
> I taught a class in mixing the other day, and I told them, about
> 5 times, that the MIX, meaning level, stereo placement, and EQ,
> is *everything* and that FX should not even be considered until you
> have a great mix and then hear the need for them and use them
> with intent.
>
> As a guy who learned on tape, mixer, patch bay and splicing block,
> PARIS seems to have a milllion features, but I know there are apps
> with way more out there.
>
> I used to say: "there are 2 things in audio, cheap talk and what's
> on tape" and it is still true. Anyone who can't make a great record
> with PARIS, should go into some other line of work.
>
> Actually we should all go into some other line of work... For the
> number of skills any decent engineer possesses, we should make
> a minimum of 100K a year.
>
> grrrr
>
> DC
>
>
> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >Hey Don,
> >I'm with you. You know, I've heard folks comment on how easy it is to
mix
> >in Paris. One reason is clearly the fact that the sonics are so good.
> But
> >I think the other may be the LACK of all kinds of features and options.
> >I'm not knockin' features, or their ultimate utility in music making, but
> >the limitations of the Paris seem to help me (force me) to stay focused
> on
> >the tones.
> >Cheeers,
> >MR
> >
> >
> >"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44235265$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> Just finished a nearly all-day track replacement session for the live
> >> album I am in the middle of.
> >>
> >> I still love this system. With careful mixing and use of processors
> >> you can still do just stellar work with PARIS. Everyone loves the
> >> sound.
> >>
> >> This should be done in a few more weeks and I should be able to
> >> post some samples.
> >>
> >> I'm stickin' with PARIS.
> >>
> >> DC
> >>
> >
> >
>
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| Re: PARIS is still rockin' [message #65702 is a reply to message #65698] |
Fri, 24 March 2006 11:08 |
justcron
Messages: 330
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you make a bare mix sound perfect before you add any effects to any
tracks???
"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44243f50$1@linux...
>
> I taught a class in mixing the other day, and I told them, about
> 5 times, that the MIX, meaning level, stereo placement, and EQ,
> is *everything* and that FX should not even be considered until you
> have a great mix and then hear the need for them and use them
> with intent.
>
> As a guy who learned on tape, mixer, patch bay and splicing block,
> PARIS seems to have a milllion features, but I know there are apps
> with way more out there.
>
> I used to say: "there are 2 things in audio, cheap talk and what's
> on tape" and it is still true. Anyone who can't make a great record
> with PARIS, should go into some other line of work.
>
> Actually we should all go into some other line of work... For the
> number of skills any decent engineer possesses, we should make
> a minimum of 100K a year.
>
> grrrr
>
> DC
>
>
> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Hey Don,
>>I'm with you. You know, I've heard folks comment on how easy it is to mix
>>in Paris. One reason is clearly the fact that the sonics are so good.
> But
>>I think the other may be the LACK of all kinds of features and options.
>>I'm not knockin' features, or their ultimate utility in music making, but
>>the limitations of the Paris seem to help me (force me) to stay focused
> on
>>the tones.
>>Cheeers,
>>MR
>>
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44235265$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Just finished a nearly all-day track replacement session for the live
>>> album I am in the middle of.
>>>
>>> I still love this system. With careful mixing and use of processors
>>> you can still do just stellar work with PARIS. Everyone loves the
>>> sound.
>>>
>>> This should be done in a few more weeks and I should be able to
>>> post some samples.
>>>
>>> I'm stickin' with PARIS.
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: PARIS is still rockin' [message #65703 is a reply to message #65702] |
Fri, 24 March 2006 12:20 |
DC
Messages: 722
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Not perfect. Just really good, so you can hear everything.
DC
"justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>you make a bare mix sound perfect before you add any effects to any
>tracks???
>
>"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44243f50$1@linux...
>>
>> I taught a class in mixing the other day, and I told them, about
>> 5 times, that the MIX, meaning level, stereo placement, and EQ,
>> is *everything* and that FX should not even be considered until you
>> have a great mix and then hear the need for them and use them
>> with intent.
>>
>> As a guy who learned on tape, mixer, patch bay and splicing block,
>> PARIS seems to have a milllion features, but I know there are apps
>> with way more out there.
>>
>> I used to say: "there are 2 things in audio, cheap talk and what's
>> on tape" and it is still true. Anyone who can't make a great record
>> with PARIS, should go into some other line of work.
>>
>> Actually we should all go into some other line of work... For the
>> number of skills any decent engineer possesses, we should make
>> a minimum of 100K a year.
>>
>> grrrr
>>
>> DC
>>
>>
>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Hey Don,
>>>I'm with you. You know, I've heard folks comment on how easy it is to
mix
>>>in Paris. One reason is clearly the fact that the sonics are so good.
>> But
>>>I think the other may be the LACK of all kinds of features and options.
>>>I'm not knockin' features, or their ultimate utility in music making,
but
>>>the limitations of the Paris seem to help me (force me) to stay focused
>> on
>>>the tones.
>>>Cheeers,
>>>MR
>>>
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44235265$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> Just finished a nearly all-day track replacement session for the live
>>>> album I am in the middle of.
>>>>
>>>> I still love this system. With careful mixing and use of processors
>>>> you can still do just stellar work with PARIS. Everyone loves the
>>>> sound.
>>>>
>>>> This should be done in a few more weeks and I should be able to
>>>> post some samples.
>>>>
>>>> I'm stickin' with PARIS.
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: PARIS is still rockin' [message #65708 is a reply to message #65700] |
Fri, 24 March 2006 17:01 |
emarenot
Messages: 345
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what's PDC?
MR
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:44244305$1@linux...
> Don,
>
> One of the coolest things about Cubase SX is it's editor. You can do much,
> very quickly and it's possible to easily mix by just fading tracks in and
> out in the editor. Having said that, one of the coolest things about Paris
> is the ability to assign tracks to groups and then fade them in and out in
> inverse relation to each other. I'm still considering selling off most of
my
> SX rig and using the money for hardware FX. thing is, the UAD-1 plugins
> really *are* awesome. Having lots of Pultecs and 1176's for drum tracks
and
> L-2A's for guitar and certain vocals along with the Fairchild for
strapping
> across a bass guitar is something I don't think I can ever live without
now.
>
> All in all, given the relative benefits of both programs vs the way I work
> here, if Paris had PDC, I would not even be using SX at all except for
midi.
>
> ;o)
>
> "DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44243f50$1@linux...
> >
> > I taught a class in mixing the other day, and I told them, about
> > 5 times, that the MIX, meaning level, stereo placement, and EQ,
> > is *everything* and that FX should not even be considered until you
> > have a great mix and then hear the need for them and use them
> > with intent.
> >
> > As a guy who learned on tape, mixer, patch bay and splicing block,
> > PARIS seems to have a milllion features, but I know there are apps
> > with way more out there.
> >
> > I used to say: "there are 2 things in audio, cheap talk and what's
> > on tape" and it is still true. Anyone who can't make a great record
> > with PARIS, should go into some other line of work.
> >
> > Actually we should all go into some other line of work... For the
> > number of skills any decent engineer possesses, we should make
> > a minimum of 100K a year.
> >
> > grrrr
> >
> > DC
> >
> >
> > "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >Hey Don,
> > >I'm with you. You know, I've heard folks comment on how easy it is to
> mix
> > >in Paris. One reason is clearly the fact that the sonics are so good.
> > But
> > >I think the other may be the LACK of all kinds of features and options.
> > >I'm not knockin' features, or their ultimate utility in music making,
but
> > >the limitations of the Paris seem to help me (force me) to stay focused
> > on
> > >the tones.
> > >Cheeers,
> > >MR
> > >
> > >
> > >"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44235265$1@linux...
> > >>
> > >> Hey all,
> > >>
> > >> Just finished a nearly all-day track replacement session for the live
> > >> album I am in the middle of.
> > >>
> > >> I still love this system. With careful mixing and use of processors
> > >> you can still do just stellar work with PARIS. Everyone loves the
> > >> sound.
> > >>
> > >> This should be done in a few more weeks and I should be able to
> > >> post some samples.
> > >>
> > >> I'm stickin' with PARIS.
> > >>
> > >> DC
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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| Re: PARIS is still rockin' [message #65709 is a reply to message #65703] |
Fri, 24 March 2006 14:07 |
justcron
Messages: 330
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I get the point you're going for, but maybe present it at a guideline, not a
hardfast rule. I mean whats the point of mixing raw if you know that the
vocal needs reverb or the bass needs compression, because it will affect the
mix from the get go, so why not dial it in as a starting point?
"DC" <dc@spamdigi.com> wrote in message news:4424467c$1@linux...
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> Not perfect. Just really good, so you can hear everything.
>
> DC
>
> "justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>>you make a bare mix sound perfect before you add any effects to any
>>tracks???
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44243f50$1@linux...
>>>
>>> I taught a class in mixing the other day, and I told them, about
>>> 5 times, that the MIX, meaning level, stereo placement, and EQ,
>>> is *everything* and that FX should not even be considered until you
>>> have a great mix and then hear the need for them and use them
>>> with intent.
>>>
>>> As a guy who learned on tape, mixer, patch bay and splicing block,
>>> PARIS seems to have a milllion features, but I know there are apps
>>> with way more out there.
>>>
>>> I used to say: "there are 2 things in audio, cheap talk and what's
>>> on tape" and it is still true. Anyone who can't make a great record
>>> with PARIS, should go into some other line of work.
>>>
>>> Actually we should all go into some other line of work... For the
>>> number of skills any decent engineer possesses, we should make
>>> a minimum of 100K a year.
>>>
>>> grrrr
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>>
>>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>Hey Don,
>>>>I'm with you. You know, I've heard folks comment on how easy it is to
> mix
>>>>in Paris. One reason is clearly the fact that the sonics are so good.
>>> But
>>>>I think the other may be the LACK of all kinds of features and options.
>>>>I'm not knockin' features, or their ultimate utility in music making,
> but
>>>>the limitations of the Paris seem to help me (force me) to stay focused
>>> on
>>>>the tones.
>>>>Cheeers,
>>>>MR
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44235265$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just finished a nearly all-day track replacement session for the live
>>>>> album I am in the middle of.
>>>>>
>>>>> I still love this system. With careful mixing and use of processors
>>>>> you can still do just stellar work with PARIS. Everyone loves the
>>>>> sound.
>>>>>
>>>>> This should be done in a few more weeks and I should be able to
>>>>> post some samples.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm stickin' with PARIS.
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: PARIS is still rockin' [message #65711 is a reply to message #65709] |
Fri, 24 March 2006 15:34 |
DC
Messages: 722
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"justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>I get the point you're going for, but maybe present it at a guideline, not
a
>hardfast rule. I mean whats the point of mixing raw if you know that the
>vocal needs reverb or the bass needs compression, because it will affect
the
>mix from the get go, so why not dial it in as a starting point?
Because you can always hear the need for reverb in a very pristine
dry mix, but often you cannot hear what is wrong with a wet one.
I go to the compressor (lightly) as soon as the basic EQ is dialed
in. The compressor will often affect the EQ needs, but I always get
the EQ right first, rather than trying to EQ through the compressor
artifacts which change with the settings.
I also tell the students to learn it my way and then improve on it
if they can. It gives them the opportunity to really hear stereo
placement, the impact of slight level changes on the overall mix
and complementary EQ curves before the FX can bugger these
things up. Remember, I do rock, not hip-hop (I did do one rap
record tho...) so your mileage may vary.
DC
>
>"DC" <dc@spamdigi.com> wrote in message news:4424467c$1@linux...
>>
>> Not perfect. Just really good, so you can hear everything.
>>
>> DC
>>
>> "justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>>>you make a bare mix sound perfect before you add any effects to any
>>>tracks???
>>>
>>>"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44243f50$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> I taught a class in mixing the other day, and I told them, about
>>>> 5 times, that the MIX, meaning level, stereo placement, and EQ,
>>>> is *everything* and that FX should not even be considered until you
>>>> have a great mix and then hear the need for them and use them
>>>> with intent.
>>>>
>>>> As a guy who learned on tape, mixer, patch bay and splicing block,
>>>> PARIS seems to have a milllion features, but I know there are apps
>>>> with way more out there.
>>>>
>>>> I used to say: "there are 2 things in audio, cheap talk and what's
>>>> on tape" and it is still true. Anyone who can't make a great record
>>>> with PARIS, should go into some other line of work.
>>>>
>>>> Actually we should all go into some other line of work... For the
>>>> number of skills any decent engineer possesses, we should make
>>>> a minimum of 100K a year.
>>>>
>>>> grrrr
>>>>
>>>> DC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>Hey Don,
>>>>>I'm with you. You know, I've heard folks comment on how easy it is
to
>> mix
>>>>>in Paris. One reason is clearly the fact that the sonics are so good.
>>>> But
>>>>>I think the other may be the LACK of all kinds of features and options.
>>>>>I'm not knockin' features, or their ultimate utility in music making,
>> but
>>>>>the limitations of the Paris seem to help me (force me) to stay focused
>>>> on
>>>>>the tones.
>>>>>Cheeers,
>>>>>MR
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44235265$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just finished a nearly all-day track replacement session for the live
>>>>>> album I am in the middle of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still love this system. With careful mixing and use of processors
>>>>>> you can still do just stellar work with PARIS. Everyone loves the
>>>>>> sound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This should be done in a few more weeks and I should be able to
>>>>>> post some samples.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm stickin' with PARIS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: PARIS is still rockin' [message #65712 is a reply to message #65711] |
Fri, 24 March 2006 14:30 |
justcron
Messages: 330
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that makes sense.
I've done a bunch of rock tracks too, but they probably are a bit on the
bombastic side.
Besides, I have no idea what I'm doing.
"DC" <dc@spamdigi.com> wrote in message news:44247408$1@linux...
>
> "justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>>I get the point you're going for, but maybe present it at a guideline, not
> a
>>hardfast rule. I mean whats the point of mixing raw if you know that the
>
>>vocal needs reverb or the bass needs compression, because it will affect
> the
>>mix from the get go, so why not dial it in as a starting point?
>
>
> Because you can always hear the need for reverb in a very pristine
> dry mix, but often you cannot hear what is wrong with a wet one.
>
> I go to the compressor (lightly) as soon as the basic EQ is dialed
> in. The compressor will often affect the EQ needs, but I always get
> the EQ right first, rather than trying to EQ through the compressor
> artifacts which change with the settings.
>
> I also tell the students to learn it my way and then improve on it
> if they can. It gives them the opportunity to really hear stereo
> placement, the impact of slight level changes on the overall mix
> and complementary EQ curves before the FX can bugger these
> things up. Remember, I do rock, not hip-hop (I did do one rap
> record tho...) so your mileage may vary.
>
> DC
>
>>
>>"DC" <dc@spamdigi.com> wrote in message news:4424467c$1@linux...
>>>
>>> Not perfect. Just really good, so you can hear everything.
>>>
>>> DC
>>>
>>> "justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>>>>you make a bare mix sound perfect before you add any effects to any
>>>>tracks???
>>>>
>>>>"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44243f50$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> I taught a class in mixing the other day, and I told them, about
>>>>> 5 times, that the MIX, meaning level, stereo placement, and EQ,
>>>>> is *everything* and that FX should not even be considered until you
>>>>> have a great mix and then hear the need for them and use them
>>>>> with intent.
>>>>>
>>>>> As a guy who learned on tape, mixer, patch bay and splicing block,
>>>>> PARIS seems to have a milllion features, but I know there are apps
>>>>> with way more out there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I used to say: "there are 2 things in audio, cheap talk and what's
>>>>> on tape" and it is still true. Anyone who can't make a great record
>>>>> with PARIS, should go into some other line of work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually we should all go into some other line of work... For the
>>>>> number of skills any decent engineer possesses, we should make
>>>>> a minimum of 100K a year.
>>>>>
>>>>> grrrr
>>>>>
>>>>> DC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>Hey Don,
>>>>>>I'm with you. You know, I've heard folks comment on how easy it is
> to
>>> mix
>>>>>>in Paris. One reason is clearly the fact that the sonics are so good.
>>>>> But
>>>>>>I think the other may be the LACK of all kinds of features and
>>>>>>options.
>>>>>>I'm not knockin' features, or their ultimate utility in music making,
>>> but
>>>>>>the limitations of the Paris seem to help me (force me) to stay
>>>>>>focused
>>>>> on
>>>>>>the tones.
>>>>>>Cheeers,
>>>>>>MR
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"DC" <dc@spamdigi.org> wrote in message news:44235265$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just finished a nearly all-day track replacement session for the
>>>>>>> live
>>>>>>> album I am in the middle of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still love this system. With careful mixing and use of
>>>>>>> processors
>>>>>>> you can still do just stellar work with PARIS. Everyone loves the
>>>>>>> sound.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This should be done in a few more weeks and I should be able to
>>>>>>> post some samples.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm stickin' with PARIS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DC
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| Re: PARIS is still rockin' [message #65718 is a reply to message #65714] |
Fri, 24 March 2006 17:35 |
DC
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Registered: July 2005
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"justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>Music for me occupies a
>place that has nothing to do with money. God bless you guys that make
a
>living at it though... obviously if thats your goal it definitely would
>result in higher quality product. I disagree there is no other measure
of
>success that matters.
Who makes a living?? Not me.. I make a living from system and
studio design and install. Very few people make a living recording
anymore.
As far as success goes, if an artist comes to me, their job is to
make the best music they can. To be the best Bob or whoever that
is possible. It is my job, as engineer or producer, to get the
art in as many hands as possible. There is no way to seperate
art from commerce. Once it leaves the musicians hands it is
all commerce. Musicians get themselves so buggered up over this
issue. Everyone, Fugazi included, wants to sell records because
commerce puts your art in the hands of those who love it.
Is there calculated music made solely for money with no soul?
Of course, but that's bad art and it shows eventually.
But every one of us, even the really super
non-commercial phonies sells a product; the only question is
whether it is any good.
Yeah, I guess you could do a great album that three people bought
and you could still call it a success, but what a tragedy that more
didn't hear it! And I would have to say that the producer and
engineer failed if no one bought it.
>you gotta let me listen to your rap tracks :)\
ahh I should've saved a copy. It was a Christian rap thing, no less
with three rappers and a really good DJ. They flew it in live, all
in the same room and then replaced a few tracks and fixed mistakes.
I think my style was too clean for rap, but the bottom was big,
the beats were cool, and the producer loved it. I still know one
of the guys, let me see if I can get a copy. I actually enjoyed that
project, they were good guys.
DC
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| Re: PARIS is still rockin' [message #65726 is a reply to message #65719] |
Fri, 24 March 2006 22:52 |
DC
Messages: 722
Registered: July 2005
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"justcron" <paris@hydrorecords.com> wrote:
>Well its a fact that the crappiest music sells the most, so to judge
>yourself successful doesn't mean the music is any good.. it just means you
>are good at business and have some good political connections.
It's not that simple. The Beatles, the Police, the Who, and lots of
other great artists sold lots of records. The measure of success
for the art is on the disc, the measure of success for the product,
and a product it is once it leaves their hands, is up to all of us
who produce and promote it, and that measure is sales.
I do not care how many crappy records sell. I DO care when a great
one does not.
>I dont know how many CDs your buddy sold that you've been posting about,
but
>wouldn't you consider his music a success? At least on a personal level?
Absolutely, and now he deserves to sell some CD's for doing such
bitchin' work.
DC
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