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| Re: Mac dual quads are here [message #82780 is a reply to message #82777] |
Fri, 06 April 2007 21:19   |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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I dunno, Deej. From what I hear, Macs suck; one of their board members
invented internet warming; Jobs doesn't give away enough Windows
computers and proprietary office suites to foreign governments; you
could build a 32GB RAM, 64bit 8 core MSWindows machine for around $150
INCLUDING a case with flashing neon lights, (well actually, that's just
for the empty case, but still); are you SURE you want to go with a MAC!?
(grin)
Yeah, the new box seems reasonably amazing. Logic should scream. I can
only imagine, as it's already blazing fast on my dual G5. The new
octo-Mac has almost five times the mhz plus other significant
optimizations.
And a new OSX is just around the corner with whatever updates are coming
to core audio and whatnot. Then there are the continued rumors about
Logic 8.
If your insanity persists and you end up with a shiny 8 core machine
running logic, I will have to hike to Durango on a pilgrimage just to
see the mighty Mac in one corner and stacks and stacks of old PC parts
in the back, collecting dust.
Around here the G5 is fast enough for Logic. But the octo-Mac is
tempting for video and animation rendering, and uber multitasking.
I'm looking forward to NAB (April 15th) to see what gets announced
there. Should be a new version of Final Cut Pro. Maybe Logic 8?
Fun times.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> ..dewd!!!!.........I'm just thinking about this a bit more........that's 8 x
> 3GHz cores. F*** ME!!! That's 24GHz with an OS and an audio app that's
> capable of utilizing all the cores........or am I dreaming? If not, I think
> the days of needing ASIO direct monitoring during tracking sessions are
> over, at least with the right low latency driver. What native audio hardware
> would work best with Logic/Core Audio at 1.5ms (or maybe less)?
>
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46170b76@linux...
>> Base model with 1G RAM and single OS drive-$4399.00
>>
>> That ain't bad......not at all. Actually getting close to the same price
>> as a PC that I could DIY.......well, little more, but not by much. Buy
>> cheaper 3rd party RAM and HD's and you have a smokin machine. I've never
>> used Logic, and though I'm getting my head around Cubase 4 pretty well,
>> I'm not totally married to it.
>>
>> How similar are Cubase and Logic? Does Logic have automatic delay
>> compensation? I think most of my VSTi's have Mac versions....I think. It
>> would be nice to have a ready made 64bit solution that was integrated
>> nicely with the OS. This is the one thing that really appeals to me about
>> what Apple has to offer with the Mac and Logic.........of course, I'd have
>> to sell my PCI cards and get PCIe cards or get some kind of conversion
>> chassis solution (that would cost more than the PCIe cards if I factor in
>> the resale of the PCI cards)
>>
>> Something to think about. Of course McCloskey is gonna jump in here and
>> start talkin' trash about Macs again and piss me off........... but
>> anyway.........
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Mac dual quads are here [message #82781 is a reply to message #82780] |
Fri, 06 April 2007 22:13 |
Deej [4]
Messages: 1292
Registered: January 2007
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I just want a machine that can run a resonable number of VSTi's (or whatever
the Mac equivalent of VST is) and 40 or so audio tracks at 1.5ms latencies
without having to jack around with buffers. I want to have all this stuff
running in real time while I'm tracking if need be and be able to have a *no
audible latency* ue mix during overdubs. Now stop and think about it. What
did Paris cost for a 24 I/O rig back around '99 or 2000? Add in the price of
a computer, a couple of MECs, a C-16 or two, 3 x A8iT's and 3 x A8oT's and
you had spent close to what??.... $8K?.maybe more? I can't even remember. I
doubt I'll jump on the Mac bandwagon just yet. I want to see what the new
AMD quads are capable of and it's tax time, but within the next 12 months I
can see me making the jump to a monster rig and as I continue to investigate
Vista, I'm not very impressed.......at least not yet. I still like the idea
of building my own DAW because I like the idea of being able to troubleshoot
it and tweak it so we'll see. I have to admit that I'm increasingly
impressed by what Apple is doing, now that Windows is starting to appear to
be restrictively proprietary.......which is exactly what I don't like about
Macs. If they both become *that* that similar, then Windows loses certain
advantages that I consider to be important for *my* particular way of
working. ......oh well.
;o)
"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46171ca3@linux...
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> I dunno, Deej. From what I hear, Macs suck; one of their board members
> invented internet warming; Jobs doesn't give away enough Windows computers
> and proprietary office suites to foreign governments; you could build a
> 32GB RAM, 64bit 8 core MSWindows machine for around $150 INCLUDING a case
> with flashing neon lights, (well actually, that's just for the empty case,
> but still); are you SURE you want to go with a MAC!?
>
> (grin)
>
> Yeah, the new box seems reasonably amazing. Logic should scream. I can
> only imagine, as it's already blazing fast on my dual G5. The new octo-Mac
> has almost five times the mhz plus other significant optimizations.
>
> And a new OSX is just around the corner with whatever updates are coming
> to core audio and whatnot. Then there are the continued rumors about Logic
> 8.
>
> If your insanity persists and you end up with a shiny 8 core machine
> running logic, I will have to hike to Durango on a pilgrimage just to see
> the mighty Mac in one corner and stacks and stacks of old PC parts in the
> back, collecting dust.
>
> Around here the G5 is fast enough for Logic. But the octo-Mac is tempting
> for video and animation rendering, and uber multitasking.
>
> I'm looking forward to NAB (April 15th) to see what gets announced there.
> Should be a new version of Final Cut Pro. Maybe Logic 8?
>
> Fun times.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> ..dewd!!!!.........I'm just thinking about this a bit more........that's
>> 8 x 3GHz cores. F*** ME!!! That's 24GHz with an OS and an audio app
>> that's capable of utilizing all the cores........or am I dreaming? If
>> not, I think the days of needing ASIO direct monitoring during tracking
>> sessions are over, at least with the right low latency driver. What
>> native audio hardware would work best with Logic/Core Audio at 1.5ms (or
>> maybe less)?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46170b76@linux...
>>> Base model with 1G RAM and single OS drive-$4399.00
>>>
>>> That ain't bad......not at all. Actually getting close to the same price
>>> as a PC that I could DIY.......well, little more, but not by much. Buy
>>> cheaper 3rd party RAM and HD's and you have a smokin machine. I've never
>>> used Logic, and though I'm getting my head around Cubase 4 pretty well,
>>> I'm not totally married to it.
>>>
>>> How similar are Cubase and Logic? Does Logic have automatic delay
>>> compensation? I think most of my VSTi's have Mac versions....I think. It
>>> would be nice to have a ready made 64bit solution that was integrated
>>> nicely with the OS. This is the one thing that really appeals to me
>>> about what Apple has to offer with the Mac and Logic.........of course,
>>> I'd have to sell my PCI cards and get PCIe cards or get some kind of
>>> conversion chassis solution (that would cost more than the PCIe cards if
>>> I factor in the resale of the PCI cards)
>>>
>>> Something to think about. Of course McCloskey is gonna jump in here and
>>> start talkin' trash about Macs again and piss me off........... but
>>> anyway.........
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Mac dual quads are here [message #82782 is a reply to message #82777] |
Fri, 06 April 2007 23:17 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Unless Intel has done some major overhauling to it's multi CPU handshaking,
you won't get anything near that kind of performance. To be honest I haven't
seen what the current specs are, but I doubt you'll seriously see '24 Ghz'
performance from it. That being said, it's still probably the fastest thing
you can get at the moment by a long shot.
AA
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46170d04$1@linux...
> ..dewd!!!!.........I'm just thinking about this a bit more........that's 8
> x 3GHz cores. F*** ME!!! That's 24GHz with an OS and an audio app that's
> capable of utilizing all the cores........or am I dreaming? If not, I
> think the days of needing ASIO direct monitoring during tracking sessions
> are over, at least with the right low latency driver. What native audio
> hardware would work best with Logic/Core Audio at 1.5ms (or maybe less)?
>
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46170b76@linux...
>> Base model with 1G RAM and single OS drive-$4399.00
>>
>> That ain't bad......not at all. Actually getting close to the same price
>> as a PC that I could DIY.......well, little more, but not by much. Buy
>> cheaper 3rd party RAM and HD's and you have a smokin machine. I've never
>> used Logic, and though I'm getting my head around Cubase 4 pretty well,
>> I'm not totally married to it.
>>
>> How similar are Cubase and Logic? Does Logic have automatic delay
>> compensation? I think most of my VSTi's have Mac versions....I think. It
>> would be nice to have a ready made 64bit solution that was integrated
>> nicely with the OS. This is the one thing that really appeals to me about
>> what Apple has to offer with the Mac and Logic.........of course, I'd
>> have to sell my PCI cards and get PCIe cards or get some kind of
>> conversion chassis solution (that would cost more than the PCIe cards if
>> I factor in the resale of the PCI cards)
>>
>> Something to think about. Of course McCloskey is gonna jump in here and
>> start talkin' trash about Macs again and piss me off........... but
>> anyway.........
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Re: Mac dual quads are here [message #82789 is a reply to message #82781] |
Sat, 07 April 2007 02:54 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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for logic it would be QU. DP does vst, mas. since i don't have DP5 i
don't know if they support QU or not.
on my dual core (older model of the core duo) i've had 48 trks of 88.2
with eq and comps on all tracks, 8 imp reverbs, 7 gates and 4
instrument trks. the cpu load was around 30% but the hd was maxing
out into the red zone...but it still played fine. what was weird is
when a prompt came up about the drives capacity and i hit the
okie-dokie button it's usage hit dropped to 50%. i really can't
imagine a project that would require 8 cpus...
On Fri, 6 Apr 2007 23:13:37 -0600, "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com>
wrote:
>I just want a machine that can run a resonable number of VSTi's (or whatever
>the Mac equivalent of VST is) and 40 or so audio tracks at 1.5ms latencies
>without having to jack around with buffers. I want to have all this stuff
>running in real time while I'm tracking if need be and be able to have a *no
>audible latency* ue mix during overdubs. Now stop and think about it. What
>did Paris cost for a 24 I/O rig back around '99 or 2000? Add in the price of
>a computer, a couple of MECs, a C-16 or two, 3 x A8iT's and 3 x A8oT's and
>you had spent close to what??.... $8K?.maybe more? I can't even remember. I
>doubt I'll jump on the Mac bandwagon just yet. I want to see what the new
>AMD quads are capable of and it's tax time, but within the next 12 months I
>can see me making the jump to a monster rig and as I continue to investigate
>Vista, I'm not very impressed.......at least not yet. I still like the idea
>of building my own DAW because I like the idea of being able to troubleshoot
>it and tweak it so we'll see. I have to admit that I'm increasingly
>impressed by what Apple is doing, now that Windows is starting to appear to
>be restrictively proprietary.......which is exactly what I don't like about
>Macs. If they both become *that* that similar, then Windows loses certain
>advantages that I consider to be important for *my* particular way of
>working. ......oh well.
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:46171ca3@linux...
>>
>> I dunno, Deej. From what I hear, Macs suck; one of their board members
>> invented internet warming; Jobs doesn't give away enough Windows computers
>> and proprietary office suites to foreign governments; you could build a
>> 32GB RAM, 64bit 8 core MSWindows machine for around $150 INCLUDING a case
>> with flashing neon lights, (well actually, that's just for the empty case,
>> but still); are you SURE you want to go with a MAC!?
>>
>> (grin)
>>
>> Yeah, the new box seems reasonably amazing. Logic should scream. I can
>> only imagine, as it's already blazing fast on my dual G5. The new octo-Mac
>> has almost five times the mhz plus other significant optimizations.
>>
>> And a new OSX is just around the corner with whatever updates are coming
>> to core audio and whatnot. Then there are the continued rumors about Logic
>> 8.
>>
>> If your insanity persists and you end up with a shiny 8 core machine
>> running logic, I will have to hike to Durango on a pilgrimage just to see
>> the mighty Mac in one corner and stacks and stacks of old PC parts in the
>> back, collecting dust.
>>
>> Around here the G5 is fast enough for Logic. But the octo-Mac is tempting
>> for video and animation rendering, and uber multitasking.
>>
>> I'm looking forward to NAB (April 15th) to see what gets announced there.
>> Should be a new version of Final Cut Pro. Maybe Logic 8?
>>
>> Fun times.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> ..dewd!!!!.........I'm just thinking about this a bit more........that's
>>> 8 x 3GHz cores. F*** ME!!! That's 24GHz with an OS and an audio app
>>> that's capable of utilizing all the cores........or am I dreaming? If
>>> not, I think the days of needing ASIO direct monitoring during tracking
>>> sessions are over, at least with the right low latency driver. What
>>> native audio hardware would work best with Logic/Core Audio at 1.5ms (or
>>> maybe less)?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote in message news:46170b76@linux...
>>>> Base model with 1G RAM and single OS drive-$4399.00
>>>>
>>>> That ain't bad......not at all. Actually getting close to the same price
>>>> as a PC that I could DIY.......well, little more, but not by much. Buy
>>>> cheaper 3rd party RAM and HD's and you have a smokin machine. I've never
>>>> used Logic, and though I'm getting my head around Cubase 4 pretty well,
>>>> I'm not totally married to it.
>>>>
>>>> How similar are Cubase and Logic? Does Logic have automatic delay
>>>> compensation? I think most of my VSTi's have Mac versions....I think. It
>>>> would be nice to have a ready made 64bit solution that was integrated
>>>> nicely with the OS. This is the one thing that really appeals to me
>>>> about what Apple has to offer with the Mac and Logic.........of course,
>>>> I'd have to sell my PCI cards and get PCIe cards or get some kind of
>>>> conversion chassis solution (that would cost more than the PCIe cards if
>>>> I factor in the resale of the PCI cards)
>>>>
>>>> Something to think about. Of course McCloskey is gonna jump in here and
>>>> start talkin' trash about Macs again and piss me off........... but
>>>> anyway.........
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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| Re: Mac dual quads are here [message #82799 is a reply to message #82776] |
Sat, 07 April 2007 07:58 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Hey DJ, as a former(PC) and current Logic owner, it's great for midi song
creation, sucks (right now) for hardcore audio recording , editing, and mixing..It's
a little dated.. Then, they have this advanced midi feature called "the Environment"
that's used to be a one stop midi patch bay router. most users finds its
a bit intimidating.
Everyone is waiting on this new version of Logic hat's supposed to address
the aforementioned issues.
Having said that, the beauty of having a Mac-Tel, is hat you can have a "true"
windows XP-pro partition. Thus, leting you run Cubase and you other PC apps..
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>Base model with 1G RAM and single OS drive-$4399.00
>
>That ain't bad......not at all. Actually getting close to the same price
as
>a PC that I could DIY.......well, little more, but not by much. Buy cheaper
>3rd party RAM and HD's and you have a smokin machine. I've never used Logic,
>and though I'm getting my head around Cubase 4 pretty well, I'm not totally
>married to it.
>
>How similar are Cubase and Logic? Does Logic have automatic delay
>compensation? I think most of my VSTi's have Mac versions....I think. It
>would be nice to have a ready made 64bit solution that was integrated nicely
>with the OS. This is the one thing that really appeals to me about what
>Apple has to offer with the Mac and Logic.........of course, I'd have to
>sell my PCI cards and get PCIe cards or get some kind of conversion chassis
>solution (that would cost more than the PCIe cards if I factor in the resale
>of the PCI cards)
>
>Something to think about. Of course McCloskey is gonna jump in here and
>start talkin' trash about Macs again and piss me off........... but
>anyway.........
>
>;o)
>
>
>
>
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| Re: Mac dual quads are here [message #82805 is a reply to message #82799] |
Sat, 07 April 2007 09:25 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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As a former PARIS owner and current Logic owner, the audio recording,
editing and mixing in Logic Pro is as good and in some cases better than
PARIS, from a capabilities and interface standpoint.
For example, free form isn't a separate "mode" in Logic, you can use a
similar feature for multiple comp takes at any time.
Logic lets you record as many tracks as your system can handle. Editing
in the Arrange window is similar to PARIS, drag the end handles; cut
with a scissors; add crossfades. You can draw or record automation data;
group tracks to automate together; automate every parameter including EQ
and plugins. You can have TONS of signal processing plugins. The
included ones are very good and you can run third party Audio Units.
The MIDI integration is way beyond PARIS...it actually works. Soft synth
support (again, automatable) is great. The included soft synths are
excellent and again you can add third party Audio Units.
So there's no way I'd agree that it "sucks" for recording, editing and
mixing. It works pretty well, actually. What is it that gives you that
opinion, LaMont? What is the "hardcore" part that you feel is missing?
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
LaMOnt wrote:
> Hey DJ, as a former(PC) and current Logic owner, it's great for midi song
> creation, sucks (right now) for hardcore audio recording , editing, and mixing..It's
> a little dated.. Then, they have this advanced midi feature called "the Environment"
> that's used to be a one stop midi patch bay router. most users finds its
> a bit intimidating.
>
> Everyone is waiting on this new version of Logic hat's supposed to address
> the aforementioned issues.
>
> Having said that, the beauty of having a Mac-Tel, is hat you can have a "true"
> windows XP-pro partition. Thus, leting you run Cubase and you other PC apps..
>
>
>
>
> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>> Base model with 1G RAM and single OS drive-$4399.00
>>
>> That ain't bad......not at all. Actually getting close to the same price
> as
>> a PC that I could DIY.......well, little more, but not by much. Buy cheaper
>
>> 3rd party RAM and HD's and you have a smokin machine. I've never used Logic,
>
>> and though I'm getting my head around Cubase 4 pretty well, I'm not totally
>
>> married to it.
>>
>> How similar are Cubase and Logic? Does Logic have automatic delay
>> compensation? I think most of my VSTi's have Mac versions....I think. It
>
>> would be nice to have a ready made 64bit solution that was integrated nicely
>
>> with the OS. This is the one thing that really appeals to me about what
>
>> Apple has to offer with the Mac and Logic.........of course, I'd have to
>
>> sell my PCI cards and get PCIe cards or get some kind of conversion chassis
>
>> solution (that would cost more than the PCIe cards if I factor in the resale
>
>> of the PCI cards)
>>
>> Something to think about. Of course McCloskey is gonna jump in here and
>
>> start talkin' trash about Macs again and piss me off........... but
>> anyway.........
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Re: Mac dual quads are here [message #82810 is a reply to message #82805] |
Sat, 07 April 2007 10:18 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Jamie,
Are you saying that Logics's editing in on par with Nuendo/Cubase, Pro Tools,
Samplitudes??
If you are, then you're not really familiar with the formentioned DAWs and
their Superior workflow. Nuendo's Audio recording , editing is a work of
art adn very powerful . As is Samplitude and yes, even Pro Tools editing
is Light-Years ahead of Logic's antiquated app.. It's not even p for discussion.
Apple and everybody knows that Logic,in it's current state is way behind.
I'm sorry.
From the rumors I hear, the new DAW from apple with not even contain the
name Logic..
And, I'm not comparing Logic to PAris. Paris never had a completed midi sequencer.
I'm comparing Logic to the Big 3(Nuendo, Pro Tools & Cubase)
I could run down a host featurs hat Logic Lacks, but you can search the forums
(Gearslutz,even Logic user forums)..
It's a fine midi sequencer, with audio..Where as, the others are fine audio
recorders,mixers...with midi..
Please stop comparing Logic with Paris..Paris is a fantastic Audio recorder/Mixer.
Where as Logic leavea lot to be desired in the big time tracking (audio)
department.. I and many others (Logic owners) would choose Logic to track
a band session.. No-way..
Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>
>As a former PARIS owner and current Logic owner, the audio recording,
>editing and mixing in Logic Pro is as good and in some cases better than
>PARIS, from a capabilities and interface standpoint.
>
>For example, free form isn't a separate "mode" in Logic, you can use a
>similar feature for multiple comp takes at any time.
>
>Logic lets you record as many tracks as your system can handle. Editing
>in the Arrange window is similar to PARIS, drag the end handles; cut
>with a scissors; add crossfades. You can draw or record automation data;
>group tracks to automate together; automate every parameter including EQ
>and plugins. You can have TONS of signal processing plugins. The
>included ones are very good and you can run third party Audio Units.
>
>The MIDI integration is way beyond PARIS...it actually works. Soft synth
>support (again, automatable) is great. The included soft synths are
>excellent and again you can add third party Audio Units.
>
>So there's no way I'd agree that it "sucks" for recording, editing and
>mixing. It works pretty well, actually. What is it that gives you that
>opinion, LaMont? What is the "hardcore" part that you feel is missing?
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>LaMOnt wrote:
>> Hey DJ, as a former(PC) and current Logic owner, it's great for midi song
>> creation, sucks (right now) for hardcore audio recording , editing, and
mixing..It's
>> a little dated.. Then, they have this advanced midi feature called "the
Environment"
>> that's used to be a one stop midi patch bay router. most users finds its
>> a bit intimidating.
>>
>> Everyone is waiting on this new version of Logic hat's supposed to address
>> the aforementioned issues.
>>
>> Having said that, the beauty of having a Mac-Tel, is hat you can have
a "true"
>> windows XP-pro partition. Thus, leting you run Cubase and you other PC
apps..
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>> Base model with 1G RAM and single OS drive-$4399.00
>>>
>>> That ain't bad......not at all. Actually getting close to the same price
>> as
>>> a PC that I could DIY.......well, little more, but not by much. Buy cheaper
>>
>>> 3rd party RAM and HD's and you have a smokin machine. I've never used
Logic,
>>
>>> and though I'm getting my head around Cubase 4 pretty well, I'm not totally
>>
>>> married to it.
>>>
>>> How similar are Cubase and Logic? Does Logic have automatic delay
>>> compensation? I think most of my VSTi's have Mac versions....I think.
It
>>
>>> would be nice to have a ready made 64bit solution that was integrated
nicely
>>
>>> with the OS. This is the one thing that really appeals to me about what
>>
>>> Apple has to offer with the Mac and Logic.........of course, I'd have
to
>>
>>> sell my PCI cards and get PCIe cards or get some kind of conversion chassis
>>
>>> solution (that would cost more than the PCIe cards if I factor in the
resale
>>
>>> of the PCI cards)
>>>
>>> Something to think about. Of course McCloskey is gonna jump in here and
>>
>>> start talkin' trash about Macs again and piss me off........... but
>>> anyway.........
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: Mac dual quads are here [message #82812 is a reply to message #82810] |
Sat, 07 April 2007 11:18 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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LaMont, I AM comparing Logic to PARIS, obviously. This is a PARIS board
and Deej has a lot of PARIS experience, as do I. And PARIS rocks for audio.
If it's too much trouble to run down the list of features you think
Logic lacks when compared to other programs, just list the top three
that YOU think make it somehow unusable.
I can tell you that there is nothing lacking that keeps me from
recording, mixing and editing in Logic Pro 7.2.3. I'm sure it could be
improved and streamlined, but it's already sufficiently powerful to get
work done, and sufficiently amazing to be rather happy with it.
For that matter, there was nothing critical missing in PARIS that kept
me from recording, mixing and editing. Although the MIDI/soft synth
integration, larger track counts and ability to automate everything were
big steps up when I moved to Logic.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
LaMont wrote:
> Jamie,
> Are you saying that Logics's editing in on par with Nuendo/Cubase, Pro Tools,
> Samplitudes??
>
> If you are, then you're not really familiar with the formentioned DAWs and
> their Superior workflow. Nuendo's Audio recording , editing is a work of
> art adn very powerful . As is Samplitude and yes, even Pro Tools editing
> is Light-Years ahead of Logic's antiquated app.. It's not even p for discussion.
> Apple and everybody knows that Logic,in it's current state is way behind.
> I'm sorry.
> From the rumors I hear, the new DAW from apple with not even contain the
> name Logic..
>
> And, I'm not comparing Logic to PAris. Paris never had a completed midi sequencer.
> I'm comparing Logic to the Big 3(Nuendo, Pro Tools & Cubase)
>
> I could run down a host featurs hat Logic Lacks, but you can search the forums
> (Gearslutz,even Logic user forums)..
>
> It's a fine midi sequencer, with audio..Where as, the others are fine audio
> recorders,mixers...with midi..
> Please stop comparing Logic with Paris..Paris is a fantastic Audio recorder/Mixer.
> Where as Logic leavea lot to be desired in the big time tracking (audio)
> department.. I and many others (Logic owners) would choose Logic to track
> a band session.. No-way..
>
> Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote:
>> As a former PARIS owner and current Logic owner, the audio recording,
>> editing and mixing in Logic Pro is as good and in some cases better than
>
>> PARIS, from a capabilities and interface standpoint.
>>
>> For example, free form isn't a separate "mode" in Logic, you can use a
>> similar feature for multiple comp takes at any time.
>>
>> Logic lets you record as many tracks as your system can handle. Editing
>
>> in the Arrange window is similar to PARIS, drag the end handles; cut
>> with a scissors; add crossfades. You can draw or record automation data;
>
>> group tracks to automate together; automate every parameter including EQ
>
>> and plugins. You can have TONS of signal processing plugins. The
>> included ones are very good and you can run third party Audio Units.
>>
>> The MIDI integration is way beyond PARIS...it actually works. Soft synth
>
>> support (again, automatable) is great. The included soft synths are
>> excellent and again you can add third party Audio Units.
>>
>> So there's no way I'd agree that it "sucks" for recording, editing and
>> mixing. It works pretty well, actually. What is it that gives you that
>> opinion, LaMont? What is the "hardcore" part that you feel is missing?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> LaMOnt wrote:
>>> Hey DJ, as a former(PC) and current Logic owner, it's great for midi song
>>> creation, sucks (right now) for hardcore audio recording , editing, and
> mixing..It's
>>> a little dated.. Then, they have this advanced midi feature called "the
> Environment"
>>> that's used to be a one stop midi patch bay router. most users finds its
>>> a bit intimidating.
>>>
>>> Everyone is waiting on this new version of Logic hat's supposed to address
>>> the aforementioned issues.
>>>
>>> Having said that, the beauty of having a Mac-Tel, is hat you can have
> a "true"
>>> windows XP-pro partition. Thus, leting you run Cubase and you other PC
> apps..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>> Base model with 1G RAM and single OS drive-$4399.00
>>>>
>>>> That ain't bad......not at all. Actually getting close to the same price
>>> as
>>>> a PC that I could DIY.......well, little more, but not by much. Buy cheaper
>>>> 3rd party RAM and HD's and you have a smokin machine. I've never used
> Logic,
>>>> and though I'm getting my head around Cubase 4 pretty well, I'm not totally
>>>> married to it.
>>>>
>>>> How similar are Cubase and Logic? Does Logic have automatic delay
>>>> compensation? I think most of my VSTi's have Mac versions....I think.
> It
>>>> would be nice to have a ready made 64bit solution that was integrated
> nicely
>>>> with the OS. This is the one thing that really appeals to me about what
>>>> Apple has to offer with the Mac and Logic.........of course, I'd have
> to
>>>> sell my PCI cards and get PCIe cards or get some kind of conversion chassis
>>>> solution (that would cost more than the PCIe cards if I factor in the
> resale
>>>> of the PCI cards)
>>>>
>>>> Something to think about. Of course McCloskey is gonna jump in here and
>>>> start talkin' trash about Macs again and piss me off........... but
>>>> anyway.........
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
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