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| Re: Logic 8.0.1 update is out [message #93749 is a reply to message #93746] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 01:34   |
Jamie K
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After I installed the Logic update, the OSX security update, the
Quicktime update and the NeoOffice update, I had some strange behavior
including a rare crash of Final Cut and display problems in Logic (both
reported to Apple). After a reboot things seem to have settled down,
Logic is behaving, FCP is editing, and I'm working again. I also
installed today's Mainstage update.
BTW, I haven't upgraded to OSX 10.5 yet.
Anyway, Deej, fuggetabout it. You're not buying a Mac and neither is
Dedric. Just ain't gonna happen, and that's OK.
But if you just want to follow along, here's another Logic forum:
http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&si d=d70b7d3dc9b65497da200877dbd80458
And here's what changed in 8.0.1:
http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
DJ wrote:
> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b66fm3pb0bgkscobienmcl84a1bhl9gqev@4ax.com...
>> after visiting the logic discussions site
>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1296436&am p;tstart=0
>> i think i'll pass...oh well...what's a little longer wait for
>> something that hopefully works.
>
>
> this is the first time I've visited the Logic forum. I've had it in the back
> of my mind to move to a 8 core MAC running Logic........I think it may just
> stay in the back of my mind.....along with all of the other things there
> like ....well......you already know most of it and you don't want to know
> the rest.
>
> ;o)
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| Re: Logic 8.0.1 update is out [message #93750 is a reply to message #93749] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 01:56 |
rick
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i still may install it...afterall it's not useable for me in it's
present state. what really gets me is how logic does or doesn't work
on the various mac permutations...and even that isn't consistent.
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:34:25 -0700, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
wrote:
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>After I installed the Logic update, the OSX security update, the
>Quicktime update and the NeoOffice update, I had some strange behavior
>including a rare crash of Final Cut and display problems in Logic (both
>reported to Apple). After a reboot things seem to have settled down,
>Logic is behaving, FCP is editing, and I'm working again. I also
>installed today's Mainstage update.
>
>BTW, I haven't upgraded to OSX 10.5 yet.
>
>Anyway, Deej, fuggetabout it. You're not buying a Mac and neither is
>Dedric. Just ain't gonna happen, and that's OK.
>
>But if you just want to follow along, here's another Logic forum:
>
> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&si d=d70b7d3dc9b65497da200877dbd80458
>
>And here's what changed in 8.0.1:
>
>http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>DJ wrote:
>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b66fm3pb0bgkscobienmcl84a1bhl9gqev@4ax.com...
>>> after visiting the logic discussions site
>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1296436&am p;tstart=0
>>> i think i'll pass...oh well...what's a little longer wait for
>>> something that hopefully works.
>>
>>
>> this is the first time I've visited the Logic forum. I've had it in the back
>> of my mind to move to a 8 core MAC running Logic........I think it may just
>> stay in the back of my mind.....along with all of the other things there
>> like ....well......you already know most of it and you don't want to know
>> the rest.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>>
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| Re: Logic 8.0.1 update is out [message #93754 is a reply to message #93749] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 08:19 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4768e676$1@linux...
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> After I installed the Logic update, the OSX security update, the Quicktime
> update and the NeoOffice update, I had some strange behavior including a
> rare crash of Final Cut and display problems in Logic (both reported to
> Apple). After a reboot things seem to have settled down, Logic is
> behaving, FCP is editing, and I'm working again. I also installed today's
> Mainstage update.
>
That's weird. I never have to install updates to Windows, but I do get
constant notices from Apple about security updates,
Quicktime and iTunes updates. ;-)
I recently installed the Nuendo 4 update, a handful of new VSTi's, a new
library, and it all just works.
.....hmmm....where have I heard that? ;-) yukyukyuk... Maybe I should make
an add with two guys... nah...never mind. :-)))
> Anyway, Deej, fuggetabout it. You're not buying a Mac and neither is
> Dedric. Just ain't gonna happen, and that's OK.
LOL. Well, I'll have to get one for my wife. Today it started up with a
kernel crash... couldn't even wait until we tried to type and email or
search for a file. I don't think we'll be able to limp along with this one
much longer - this has to be the longest slowest death of a computer I've
ever seen.
I'm thinking an iMac would be great for her (24" models look really nice),
but we've also contemplated a MacBook with separate display, but a tower is
still an option. I've thought about getting a MacBook pro myself to replace
my laptop (which is only used for email, net, OpenOffice, etc) - also to
have a Mac in house, but too many other expenses taking precendence for the
next few months.
Sorry to hear Apple is falling down on Logic's stability recently. I know
it's frustrating. Maybe someone needs to kick Steve in the butt and tell
him he's starting to act like Macrosoft.
Regards,
Dedric
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> But if you just want to follow along, here's another Logic forum:
>
> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&si d=d70b7d3dc9b65497da200877dbd80458
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> And here's what changed in 8.0.1:
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> http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> DJ wrote:
>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:b66fm3pb0bgkscobienmcl84a1bhl9gqev@4ax.com...
>>> after visiting the logic discussions site
>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1296436&am p;tstart=0
>>> i think i'll pass...oh well...what's a little longer wait for
>>> something that hopefully works.
>>
>>
>> this is the first time I've visited the Logic forum. I've had it in the
>> back of my mind to move to a 8 core MAC running Logic........I think it
>> may just stay in the back of my mind.....along with all of the other
>> things there like ....well......you already know most of it and you don't
>> want to know the rest.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
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| Re: Logic 8.0.1 update is out [message #93755 is a reply to message #93750] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 09:33 |
excelav
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From experience, often it is the installation that gets fouled up. Often
the cure is a reinstall. The trick is to figure out what order to install
in and what other software is conflicting with the install. Everybody's
got a different setup with different hardware and software. Then again,
it could have bugs that have not been worked out yet.
It sucks that people are having problems, however, I'm sure it will get straitened
out soon.
James
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>i still may install it...afterall it's not useable for me in it's
>present state. what really gets me is how logic does or doesn't work
>on the various mac permutations...and even that isn't consistent.
>
>On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:34:25 -0700, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
>wrote:
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>>
>>After I installed the Logic update, the OSX security update, the
>>Quicktime update and the NeoOffice update, I had some strange behavior
>>including a rare crash of Final Cut and display problems in Logic (both
>>reported to Apple). After a reboot things seem to have settled down,
>>Logic is behaving, FCP is editing, and I'm working again. I also
>>installed today's Mainstage update.
>>
>>BTW, I haven't upgraded to OSX 10.5 yet.
>>
>>Anyway, Deej, fuggetabout it. You're not buying a Mac and neither is
>>Dedric. Just ain't gonna happen, and that's OK.
>>
>>But if you just want to follow along, here's another Logic forum:
>>
>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&si d=d70b7d3dc9b65497da200877dbd80458
>>
>>And here's what changed in 8.0.1:
>>
>>http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:b66fm3pb0bgkscobienmcl84a1bhl9gqev@4ax.com...
>>>> after visiting the logic discussions site
>>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1296436&am p;tstart=0
>>>> i think i'll pass...oh well...what's a little longer wait for
>>>> something that hopefully works.
>>>
>>>
>>> this is the first time I've visited the Logic forum. I've had it in the
back
>>> of my mind to move to a 8 core MAC running Logic........I think it may
just
>>> stay in the back of my mind.....along with all of the other things there
>>> like ....well......you already know most of it and you don't want to
know
>>> the rest.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Logic 8.0.1 update is out [message #93756 is a reply to message #93754] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 09:58 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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Hey Dedric,
Dedric Terry wrote:
> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4768e676$1@linux...
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>> After I installed the Logic update, the OSX security update, the
>> Quicktime update and the NeoOffice update, I had some strange behavior
>> including a rare crash of Final Cut and display problems in Logic
>> (both reported to Apple). After a reboot things seem to have settled
>> down, Logic is behaving, FCP is editing, and I'm working again. I also
>> installed today's Mainstage update.
>>
> That's weird. I never have to install updates to Windows, but I do get
> constant notices from Apple about security updates,
> Quicktime and iTunes updates. ;-)
You mean Apple has started fixing the problems in MSWindows? How
generous of them. ;^)
Apple isn't perfect but I wouldn't fault them for periodic security
updates, that's a huge plus IMO.
> I recently installed the Nuendo 4 update, a handful of new VSTi's, a new
> library, and it all just works.
> ....hmmm....where have I heard that? ;-) yukyukyuk... Maybe I should
> make an add with two guys... nah...never mind. :-)))
Heh. I did one of those for Sun, BTW. Tried to find you the youtube link
but it looks like they took it down.
But anyway, I'm sure you're not claiming you've never had bugs in
Nuendo. :^)
Here's a thread about Cubase to Logic switchers - due to bugs in Cubase.
http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41478&am p;sid=7692d585bb8d33984e14bd392346c3e5
Logic has been "just working" here since they fixed the AU playback
problem a few years ago.
Even Logic 8, except for yesterday's incident which appeared to be a
temporary systemic problem. Not sure what caused it, one of the updates
leaving things in an odd state; a power surge; a bug in Logic, OSX or
one of the other apps; or what? But rebooting (which BTW I rarely need
to do, this machine has great uptime) seems to have fixed it so far.
>> Anyway, Deej, fuggetabout it. You're not buying a Mac and neither is
>> Dedric. Just ain't gonna happen, and that's OK.
>
> LOL. Well, I'll have to get one for my wife. Today it started up with
> a kernel crash... couldn't even wait until we tried to type and email or
> search for a file. I don't think we'll be able to limp along with this
> one much longer - this has to be the longest slowest death of a computer
> I've ever seen.
When is the wake, should I bring a trombone? :^)
My G4 Power Book has a broken hinge (which I consider to be due to a
design fault, they have a beefier mono-hinge in newer Mac laptops).
Anyway, it's still kickin' otherwise, but I hope to replace it next
month, if a 17" HD version is announced that has LED backlighting or if
the rumored new flash-based ultra light laptop seems compelling.
My G5 has been a dependable cruiser.
> I'm thinking an iMac would be great for her (24" models look really
> nice), but we've also contemplated a MacBook with separate display, but
> a tower is still an option. I've thought about getting a MacBook pro
> myself to replace my laptop (which is only used for email, net,
> OpenOffice, etc) - also to have a Mac in house, but too many other
> expenses taking precendence for the next few months.
MacBook Pro is overkill for that. Heck, a MacBook is overkill for that.
Unless she intends to run MSWindows on it. ;^)
Whatever you do, wait until after the Macworld Expo keynote on January
15th. It's possible new laptops and towers will be announced.
> Sorry to hear Apple is falling down on Logic's stability recently. I
> know it's frustrating. Maybe someone needs to kick Steve in the butt
> and tell him he's starting to act like Macrosoft.
Maybe so. But AFAIK they still have some of the same development crew
for Logic from the old eMagic.
IMO Logic 8 is a big step up from Logic 7 in terms of work flow without
killing the power behind Logic. They obviously put some thought into it.
The newly included Mainstage is pretty cool, too, as is Waveburner. (The
bundling of Soundtrack Pro didn't add anything for me since it's also
included with Final Cut.)
There have been two Logic/Waveburner/Mainstage releases in the last four
months. Hopefully they will continue the development pace and increase
the stability for anyone having problems. From the Logic team's past
development performance, that's a reasonable expectation. Especially
since any wobbliness is entirely on Apple, they make the computer, the
OS and the app. Not much finger pointing can be done to excuse any
problems. :^)
This last Logic release included a couple of specific features users
have been requesting, so it's encouraging that the developers seem to be
listening to the users.
Oh hey, speaking of updates, I just got a notice that Battery 3 was
updated. Gotta go try that...
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
> Regards,
> Dedric
>>
>> But if you just want to follow along, here's another Logic forum:
>>
>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&si d=d70b7d3dc9b65497da200877dbd80458
>>
>>
>> And here's what changed in 8.0.1:
>>
>> http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:b66fm3pb0bgkscobienmcl84a1bhl9gqev@4ax.com...
>>>> after visiting the logic discussions site
>>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1296436&am p;tstart=0
>>>> i think i'll pass...oh well...what's a little longer wait for
>>>> something that hopefully works.
>>>
>>>
>>> this is the first time I've visited the Logic forum. I've had it in
>>> the back of my mind to move to a 8 core MAC running Logic........I
>>> think it may just stay in the back of my mind.....along with all of
>>> the other things there like ....well......you already know most of it
>>> and you don't want to know the rest.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
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| Re: Logic 8.0.1 update is out [message #93757 is a reply to message #93750] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 10:07 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
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I guess if you're not getting any use out of Logic 8 now, trying the
update is not a big risk. FWIW I didn't have any showstopper problems
with the original release of Logic 8.
The big differences between Logic 7 and 8 are UI/workflow refinements.
Logic 7 is still a powerful program so if the L8 update doesn't work for
you, you can report whatever problems you run into and keep using Logic
7 for the time being.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
rick wrote:
> i still may install it...afterall it's not useable for me in it's
> present state. what really gets me is how logic does or doesn't work
> on the various mac permutations...and even that isn't consistent.
>
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:34:25 -0700, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
> wrote:
>
>> After I installed the Logic update, the OSX security update, the
>> Quicktime update and the NeoOffice update, I had some strange behavior
>> including a rare crash of Final Cut and display problems in Logic (both
>> reported to Apple). After a reboot things seem to have settled down,
>> Logic is behaving, FCP is editing, and I'm working again. I also
>> installed today's Mainstage update.
>>
>> BTW, I haven't upgraded to OSX 10.5 yet.
>>
>> Anyway, Deej, fuggetabout it. You're not buying a Mac and neither is
>> Dedric. Just ain't gonna happen, and that's OK.
>>
>> But if you just want to follow along, here's another Logic forum:
>>
>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&si d=d70b7d3dc9b65497da200877dbd80458
>>
>> And here's what changed in 8.0.1:
>>
>> http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:b66fm3pb0bgkscobienmcl84a1bhl9gqev@4ax.com...
>>>> after visiting the logic discussions site
>>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1296436&am p;tstart=0
>>>> i think i'll pass...oh well...what's a little longer wait for
>>>> something that hopefully works.
>>>
>>> this is the first time I've visited the Logic forum. I've had it in the back
>>> of my mind to move to a 8 core MAC running Logic........I think it may just
>>> stay in the back of my mind.....along with all of the other things there
>>> like ....well......you already know most of it and you don't want to know
>>> the rest.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: Logic 8.0.1 update is out [message #93758 is a reply to message #93756] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 10:28 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
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"Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:47695c9e@linux...
> Hey Dedric,
>
> You mean Apple has started fixing the problems in MSWindows? How generous
> of them. ;^)
Not really - they just keep updating it so PC users don't know it's really
being crippled as
a marketing move. ;-) QT works okay, but it still can't run with
professional audio cards on
the PC side without stuttering audio - video is fine though (Nuendo now
supports H.264 which looks
great in Nuendo and really low cpu usage, which is nice).
>
> Heh. I did one of those for Sun, BTW. Tried to find you the youtube link
> but it looks like they took it down.
Let me know if you find it - I would like to see your work!
>
> But anyway, I'm sure you're not claiming you've never had bugs in Nuendo.
> :^)
>
What? Bugs in Nuendo/Cubase? Nah. Never. ;-) Actually N4 is running
great - the only problem I found
was loading older templates based on past version preferences. The new
routing, preferences fully xml compliant now, etc -
using an old template would cause weird issues. Once I rebuilt my templates
from a blank project in N4, it's working beautifully.
As far as the Cubase crowd (except those here) - never believe anything you
read from the Cubase forum,
or users there. Most of the bugs there lie between the chair and the mouse.
It would be funny if it weren't
somewhat bizarre.
> Logic has been "just working" here since they fixed the AU playback
> problem a few years ago.
That's good to hear - Logic is a great app. It deserves proper support and
development.
>
> Even Logic 8, except for yesterday's incident which appeared to be a
> temporary systemic problem. Not sure what caused it, one of the updates
> leaving things in an odd state; a power surge; a bug in Logic, OSX or one
> of the other apps; or what? But rebooting (which BTW I rarely need to do,
> this machine has great uptime) seems to have fixed it so far.
I was just giving you a hard time. That happens regardless of platform.
The problem isn't
Apple or Microsoft, it's that humans design this stuff, and well, it just
isn't always perfect.
> When is the wake, should I bring a trombone? :^)
Absolutely. It could be any day, but we're hoping to hold out a little
longer. Shame I can't buy a motherboard
on Newegg and fix it for $50 - $700 from a Mac shop just isn't worth it
compared to getting a much faster machine.
>
> My G4 Power Book has a broken hinge (which I consider to be due to a
> design fault, they have a beefier mono-hinge in newer Mac laptops).
> Anyway, it's still kickin' otherwise, but I hope to replace it next month,
> if a 17" HD version is announced that has LED backlighting or if the
> rumored new flash-based ultra light laptop seems compelling.
I've heard about that from a director I work with - he's chomping at the bit
to get one, assuming it could
be used for field video work.
> MacBook Pro is overkill for that. Heck, a MacBook is overkill for that.
> Unless she intends to run MSWindows on it. ;^)
Actually I'm the one only running email/net/ftp on my laptop - if I got a
MacBook Pro it would pull
double duty as a farm/fx system since with 2G and a true core2 duo it would
fly for that, and give me
some variety. It's low on the list though since I don't really need it.
My wife does graphic design/illustration, so the only real need for a faster
system and more RAM for her would
be just to have a faster system, and if she gets into using raw photos and
of course for larger design projects.
>
> Whatever you do, wait until after the Macworld Expo keynote on January
> 15th. It's possible new laptops and towers will be announced.
>
That's my thinking too - 1/15? Not too far off. I think your are right -
about time for new towers,
perhaps with the new Intel chips (45nm?).
>
> Oh hey, speaking of updates, I just got a notice that Battery 3 was
> updated. Gotta go try that...
Downloading it now.... I would take you up on Massive, but since I have it
in Komplete 5, I don't have a need for a standalone copy at the moment, and
only use Massive from time to time (seriously killer synth though).
Regards,
Dedric
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>>
>>> But if you just want to follow along, here's another Logic forum:
>>>
>>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&si d=d70b7d3dc9b65497da200877dbd80458
>>>
>>> And here's what changed in 8.0.1:
>>>
>>> http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:b66fm3pb0bgkscobienmcl84a1bhl9gqev@4ax.com...
>>>>> after visiting the logic discussions site
>>>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1296436&am p;tstart=0
>>>>> i think i'll pass...oh well...what's a little longer wait for
>>>>> something that hopefully works.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> this is the first time I've visited the Logic forum. I've had it in the
>>>> back of my mind to move to a 8 core MAC running Logic........I think it
>>>> may just stay in the back of my mind.....along with all of the other
>>>> things there like ....well......you already know most of it and you
>>>> don't want to know the rest.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
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| Re: Logic 8.0.1 update is out [message #93759 is a reply to message #93757] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 13:11 |
rick
Messages: 1976
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i'll let the others tell apple...i have several of the same problems.
7 works well enough for what's being done. i have 2 other friends
using logic and depending on the rig each has it's own logic quirks
(bugs).
since i don't really do this for a living like i once did it's not
that critical anymore
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:07:11 -0700, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
wrote:
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>I guess if you're not getting any use out of Logic 8 now, trying the
>update is not a big risk. FWIW I didn't have any showstopper problems
>with the original release of Logic 8.
>
>The big differences between Logic 7 and 8 are UI/workflow refinements.
>Logic 7 is still a powerful program so if the L8 update doesn't work for
>you, you can report whatever problems you run into and keep using Logic
>7 for the time being.
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>rick wrote:
>> i still may install it...afterall it's not useable for me in it's
>> present state. what really gets me is how logic does or doesn't work
>> on the various mac permutations...and even that isn't consistent.
>>
>> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:34:25 -0700, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> After I installed the Logic update, the OSX security update, the
>>> Quicktime update and the NeoOffice update, I had some strange behavior
>>> including a rare crash of Final Cut and display problems in Logic (both
>>> reported to Apple). After a reboot things seem to have settled down,
>>> Logic is behaving, FCP is editing, and I'm working again. I also
>>> installed today's Mainstage update.
>>>
>>> BTW, I haven't upgraded to OSX 10.5 yet.
>>>
>>> Anyway, Deej, fuggetabout it. You're not buying a Mac and neither is
>>> Dedric. Just ain't gonna happen, and that's OK.
>>>
>>> But if you just want to follow along, here's another Logic forum:
>>>
>>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&si d=d70b7d3dc9b65497da200877dbd80458
>>>
>>> And here's what changed in 8.0.1:
>>>
>>> http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:b66fm3pb0bgkscobienmcl84a1bhl9gqev@4ax.com...
>>>>> after visiting the logic discussions site
>>>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1296436&am p;tstart=0
>>>>> i think i'll pass...oh well...what's a little longer wait for
>>>>> something that hopefully works.
>>>>
>>>> this is the first time I've visited the Logic forum. I've had it in the back
>>>> of my mind to move to a 8 core MAC running Logic........I think it may just
>>>> stay in the back of my mind.....along with all of the other things there
>>>> like ....well......you already know most of it and you don't want to know
>>>> the rest.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: Logic 8.0.1 update is out [message #93760 is a reply to message #93756] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 13:14 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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|
it's kind of funny here that the "how superior leopard is to vista "
add ran for only one day. i guess that it must have dawned on them
that leopard and vista are sailing on the same rotting ship.
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:58:33 -0700, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
wrote:
>Hey Dedric,
>
>Dedric Terry wrote:
>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4768e676$1@linux...
>>>
>>> After I installed the Logic update, the OSX security update, the
>>> Quicktime update and the NeoOffice update, I had some strange behavior
>>> including a rare crash of Final Cut and display problems in Logic
>>> (both reported to Apple). After a reboot things seem to have settled
>>> down, Logic is behaving, FCP is editing, and I'm working again. I also
>>> installed today's Mainstage update.
>>>
>> That's weird. I never have to install updates to Windows, but I do get
>> constant notices from Apple about security updates,
>> Quicktime and iTunes updates. ;-)
>
>You mean Apple has started fixing the problems in MSWindows? How
>generous of them. ;^)
>
>Apple isn't perfect but I wouldn't fault them for periodic security
>updates, that's a huge plus IMO.
>
>
>> I recently installed the Nuendo 4 update, a handful of new VSTi's, a new
>> library, and it all just works.
>> ....hmmm....where have I heard that? ;-) yukyukyuk... Maybe I should
>> make an add with two guys... nah...never mind. :-)))
>
>Heh. I did one of those for Sun, BTW. Tried to find you the youtube link
>but it looks like they took it down.
>
>But anyway, I'm sure you're not claiming you've never had bugs in
>Nuendo. :^)
>
>Here's a thread about Cubase to Logic switchers - due to bugs in Cubase.
>
> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41478&am p;sid=7692d585bb8d33984e14bd392346c3e5
>
>Logic has been "just working" here since they fixed the AU playback
>problem a few years ago.
>
>Even Logic 8, except for yesterday's incident which appeared to be a
>temporary systemic problem. Not sure what caused it, one of the updates
>leaving things in an odd state; a power surge; a bug in Logic, OSX or
>one of the other apps; or what? But rebooting (which BTW I rarely need
>to do, this machine has great uptime) seems to have fixed it so far.
>
>
>>> Anyway, Deej, fuggetabout it. You're not buying a Mac and neither is
>>> Dedric. Just ain't gonna happen, and that's OK.
>>
>> LOL. Well, I'll have to get one for my wife. Today it started up with
>> a kernel crash... couldn't even wait until we tried to type and email or
>> search for a file. I don't think we'll be able to limp along with this
>> one much longer - this has to be the longest slowest death of a computer
>> I've ever seen.
>
>When is the wake, should I bring a trombone? :^)
>
>My G4 Power Book has a broken hinge (which I consider to be due to a
>design fault, they have a beefier mono-hinge in newer Mac laptops).
>Anyway, it's still kickin' otherwise, but I hope to replace it next
>month, if a 17" HD version is announced that has LED backlighting or if
>the rumored new flash-based ultra light laptop seems compelling.
>
>My G5 has been a dependable cruiser.
>
>
>> I'm thinking an iMac would be great for her (24" models look really
>> nice), but we've also contemplated a MacBook with separate display, but
>> a tower is still an option. I've thought about getting a MacBook pro
>> myself to replace my laptop (which is only used for email, net,
>> OpenOffice, etc) - also to have a Mac in house, but too many other
>> expenses taking precendence for the next few months.
>
>MacBook Pro is overkill for that. Heck, a MacBook is overkill for that.
>Unless she intends to run MSWindows on it. ;^)
>
>Whatever you do, wait until after the Macworld Expo keynote on January
>15th. It's possible new laptops and towers will be announced.
>
>
>> Sorry to hear Apple is falling down on Logic's stability recently. I
>> know it's frustrating. Maybe someone needs to kick Steve in the butt
>> and tell him he's starting to act like Macrosoft.
>
>Maybe so. But AFAIK they still have some of the same development crew
>for Logic from the old eMagic.
>
>IMO Logic 8 is a big step up from Logic 7 in terms of work flow without
>killing the power behind Logic. They obviously put some thought into it.
>The newly included Mainstage is pretty cool, too, as is Waveburner. (The
>bundling of Soundtrack Pro didn't add anything for me since it's also
>included with Final Cut.)
>
>There have been two Logic/Waveburner/Mainstage releases in the last four
>months. Hopefully they will continue the development pace and increase
>the stability for anyone having problems. From the Logic team's past
>development performance, that's a reasonable expectation. Especially
>since any wobbliness is entirely on Apple, they make the computer, the
>OS and the app. Not much finger pointing can be done to excuse any
>problems. :^)
>
>This last Logic release included a couple of specific features users
>have been requesting, so it's encouraging that the developers seem to be
>listening to the users.
>
>Oh hey, speaking of updates, I just got a notice that Battery 3 was
>updated. Gotta go try that...
>
>Cheers,
> -Jamie
> www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
>
>> Regards,
>> Dedric
>>>
>>> But if you just want to follow along, here's another Logic forum:
>>>
>>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&si d=d70b7d3dc9b65497da200877dbd80458
>>>
>>>
>>> And here's what changed in 8.0.1:
>>>
>>> http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> DJ wrote:
>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:b66fm3pb0bgkscobienmcl84a1bhl9gqev@4ax.com...
>>>>> after visiting the logic discussions site
>>>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1296436&am p;tstart=0
>>>>> i think i'll pass...oh well...what's a little longer wait for
>>>>> something that hopefully works.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> this is the first time I've visited the Logic forum. I've had it in
>>>> the back of my mind to move to a 8 core MAC running Logic........I
>>>> think it may just stay in the back of my mind.....along with all of
>>>> the other things there like ....well......you already know most of it
>>>> and you don't want to know the rest.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
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| Re: Logic 8.0.1 update is out [message #93761 is a reply to message #93760] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 14:32 |
excelav
Messages: 2130
Registered: July 2005
Location: Metro Detroit
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Senior Member |
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|
Oh boy! Here we go again! Ignorance is so blissful. Leopard and Vista are
not the same.
rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>it's kind of funny here that the "how superior leopard is to vista "
>add ran for only one day. i guess that it must have dawned on them
>that leopard and vista are sailing on the same rotting ship.
>
>On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:58:33 -0700, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Hey Dedric,
>>
>>Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4768e676$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>> After I installed the Logic update, the OSX security update, the
>>>> Quicktime update and the NeoOffice update, I had some strange behavior
>>>> including a rare crash of Final Cut and display problems in Logic
>>>> (both reported to Apple). After a reboot things seem to have settled
>>>> down, Logic is behaving, FCP is editing, and I'm working again. I also
>>>> installed today's Mainstage update.
>>>>
>>> That's weird. I never have to install updates to Windows, but I do get
>>> constant notices from Apple about security updates,
>>> Quicktime and iTunes updates. ;-)
>>
>>You mean Apple has started fixing the problems in MSWindows? How
>>generous of them. ;^)
>>
>>Apple isn't perfect but I wouldn't fault them for periodic security
>>updates, that's a huge plus IMO.
>>
>>
>>> I recently installed the Nuendo 4 update, a handful of new VSTi's, a
new
>>> library, and it all just works.
>>> ....hmmm....where have I heard that? ;-) yukyukyuk... Maybe I should
>>> make an add with two guys... nah...never mind. :-)))
>>
>>Heh. I did one of those for Sun, BTW. Tried to find you the youtube link
>>but it looks like they took it down.
>>
>>But anyway, I'm sure you're not claiming you've never had bugs in
>>Nuendo. :^)
>>
>>Here's a thread about Cubase to Logic switchers - due to bugs in Cubase.
>>
>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41478&am p;sid=7692d585bb8d33984e14bd392346c3e5
>>
>>Logic has been "just working" here since they fixed the AU playback
>>problem a few years ago.
>>
>>Even Logic 8, except for yesterday's incident which appeared to be a
>>temporary systemic problem. Not sure what caused it, one of the updates
>>leaving things in an odd state; a power surge; a bug in Logic, OSX or
>>one of the other apps; or what? But rebooting (which BTW I rarely need
>>to do, this machine has great uptime) seems to have fixed it so far.
>>
>>
>>>> Anyway, Deej, fuggetabout it. You're not buying a Mac and neither is
>>>> Dedric. Just ain't gonna happen, and that's OK.
>>>
>>> LOL. Well, I'll have to get one for my wife. Today it started up with
>>> a kernel crash... couldn't even wait until we tried to type and email
or
>>> search for a file. I don't think we'll be able to limp along with this
>>> one much longer - this has to be the longest slowest death of a computer
>>> I've ever seen.
>>
>>When is the wake, should I bring a trombone? :^)
>>
>>My G4 Power Book has a broken hinge (which I consider to be due to a
>>design fault, they have a beefier mono-hinge in newer Mac laptops).
>>Anyway, it's still kickin' otherwise, but I hope to replace it next
>>month, if a 17" HD version is announced that has LED backlighting or if
>>the rumored new flash-based ultra light laptop seems compelling.
>>
>>My G5 has been a dependable cruiser.
>>
>>
>>> I'm thinking an iMac would be great for her (24" models look really
>>> nice), but we've also contemplated a MacBook with separate display, but
>>> a tower is still an option. I've thought about getting a MacBook pro
>>> myself to replace my laptop (which is only used for email, net,
>>> OpenOffice, etc) - also to have a Mac in house, but too many other
>>> expenses taking precendence for the next few months.
>>
>>MacBook Pro is overkill for that. Heck, a MacBook is overkill for that.
>>Unless she intends to run MSWindows on it. ;^)
>>
>>Whatever you do, wait until after the Macworld Expo keynote on January
>>15th. It's possible new laptops and towers will be announced.
>>
>>
>>> Sorry to hear Apple is falling down on Logic's stability recently. I
>>> know it's frustrating. Maybe someone needs to kick Steve in the butt
>>> and tell him he's starting to act like Macrosoft.
>>
>>Maybe so. But AFAIK they still have some of the same development crew
>>for Logic from the old eMagic.
>>
>>IMO Logic 8 is a big step up from Logic 7 in terms of work flow without
>>killing the power behind Logic. They obviously put some thought into it.
>>The newly included Mainstage is pretty cool, too, as is Waveburner. (The
>>bundling of Soundtrack Pro didn't add anything for me since it's also
>>included with Final Cut.)
>>
>>There have been two Logic/Waveburner/Mainstage releases in the last four
>>months. Hopefully they will continue the development pace and increase
>>the stability for anyone having problems. From the Logic team's past
>>development performance, that's a reasonable expectation. Especially
>>since any wobbliness is entirely on Apple, they make the computer, the
>>OS and the app. Not much finger pointing can be done to excuse any
>>problems. :^)
>>
>>This last Logic release included a couple of specific features users
>>have been requesting, so it's encouraging that the developers seem to be
>>listening to the users.
>>
>>Oh hey, speaking of updates, I just got a notice that Battery 3 was
>>updated. Gotta go try that...
>>
>>Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>>
>>>> But if you just want to follow along, here's another Logic forum:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&si d=d70b7d3dc9b65497da200877dbd80458
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And here's what changed in 8.0.1:
>>>>
>>>> http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:b66fm3pb0bgkscobienmcl84a1bhl9gqev@4ax.com...
>>>>>> after visiting the logic discussions site
>>>>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1296436&am p;tstart=0
>>>>>> i think i'll pass...oh well...what's a little longer wait for
>>>>>> something that hopefully works.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> this is the first time I've visited the Logic forum. I've had it in
>>>>> the back of my mind to move to a 8 core MAC running Logic........I
>>>>> think it may just stay in the back of my mind.....along with all of
>>>>> the other things there like ....well......you already know most of
it
>>>>> and you don't want to know the rest.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>
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| Re: Logic 8.0.1 update is out [message #93762 is a reply to message #93760] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 13:31 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
|
Senior Member |
|
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I wouldn't put them in the same boat though.
Now that Native Instruments has updated a few more plugins for leapard
(as of yesterday), I just have to double check the update status of a
few other apps and then order leapard, although I'll probably finish a
few in-progress projects before actually installing it. If leapard sucks
here I'll let you know.
Cheers,
-Jamie
www.JamieKrutz.com
rick wrote:
> it's kind of funny here that the "how superior leopard is to vista "
> add ran for only one day. i guess that it must have dawned on them
> that leopard and vista are sailing on the same rotting ship.
>
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:58:33 -0700, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Dedric,
>>
>> Dedric Terry wrote:
>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4768e676$1@linux...
>>>> After I installed the Logic update, the OSX security update, the
>>>> Quicktime update and the NeoOffice update, I had some strange behavior
>>>> including a rare crash of Final Cut and display problems in Logic
>>>> (both reported to Apple). After a reboot things seem to have settled
>>>> down, Logic is behaving, FCP is editing, and I'm working again. I also
>>>> installed today's Mainstage update.
>>>>
>>> That's weird. I never have to install updates to Windows, but I do get
>>> constant notices from Apple about security updates,
>>> Quicktime and iTunes updates. ;-)
>> You mean Apple has started fixing the problems in MSWindows? How
>> generous of them. ;^)
>>
>> Apple isn't perfect but I wouldn't fault them for periodic security
>> updates, that's a huge plus IMO.
>>
>>
>>> I recently installed the Nuendo 4 update, a handful of new VSTi's, a new
>>> library, and it all just works.
>>> ....hmmm....where have I heard that? ;-) yukyukyuk... Maybe I should
>>> make an add with two guys... nah...never mind. :-)))
>> Heh. I did one of those for Sun, BTW. Tried to find you the youtube link
>> but it looks like they took it down.
>>
>> But anyway, I'm sure you're not claiming you've never had bugs in
>> Nuendo. :^)
>>
>> Here's a thread about Cubase to Logic switchers - due to bugs in Cubase.
>>
>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41478&am p;sid=7692d585bb8d33984e14bd392346c3e5
>>
>> Logic has been "just working" here since they fixed the AU playback
>> problem a few years ago.
>>
>> Even Logic 8, except for yesterday's incident which appeared to be a
>> temporary systemic problem. Not sure what caused it, one of the updates
>> leaving things in an odd state; a power surge; a bug in Logic, OSX or
>> one of the other apps; or what? But rebooting (which BTW I rarely need
>> to do, this machine has great uptime) seems to have fixed it so far.
>>
>>
>>>> Anyway, Deej, fuggetabout it. You're not buying a Mac and neither is
>>>> Dedric. Just ain't gonna happen, and that's OK.
>>> LOL. Well, I'll have to get one for my wife. Today it started up with
>>> a kernel crash... couldn't even wait until we tried to type and email or
>>> search for a file. I don't think we'll be able to limp along with this
>>> one much longer - this has to be the longest slowest death of a computer
>>> I've ever seen.
>> When is the wake, should I bring a trombone? :^)
>>
>> My G4 Power Book has a broken hinge (which I consider to be due to a
>> design fault, they have a beefier mono-hinge in newer Mac laptops).
>> Anyway, it's still kickin' otherwise, but I hope to replace it next
>> month, if a 17" HD version is announced that has LED backlighting or if
>> the rumored new flash-based ultra light laptop seems compelling.
>>
>> My G5 has been a dependable cruiser.
>>
>>
>>> I'm thinking an iMac would be great for her (24" models look really
>>> nice), but we've also contemplated a MacBook with separate display, but
>>> a tower is still an option. I've thought about getting a MacBook pro
>>> myself to replace my laptop (which is only used for email, net,
>>> OpenOffice, etc) - also to have a Mac in house, but too many other
>>> expenses taking precendence for the next few months.
>> MacBook Pro is overkill for that. Heck, a MacBook is overkill for that.
>> Unless she intends to run MSWindows on it. ;^)
>>
>> Whatever you do, wait until after the Macworld Expo keynote on January
>> 15th. It's possible new laptops and towers will be announced.
>>
>>
>>> Sorry to hear Apple is falling down on Logic's stability recently. I
>>> know it's frustrating. Maybe someone needs to kick Steve in the butt
>>> and tell him he's starting to act like Macrosoft.
>> Maybe so. But AFAIK they still have some of the same development crew
>> for Logic from the old eMagic.
>>
>> IMO Logic 8 is a big step up from Logic 7 in terms of work flow without
>> killing the power behind Logic. They obviously put some thought into it.
>> The newly included Mainstage is pretty cool, too, as is Waveburner. (The
>> bundling of Soundtrack Pro didn't add anything for me since it's also
>> included with Final Cut.)
>>
>> There have been two Logic/Waveburner/Mainstage releases in the last four
>> months. Hopefully they will continue the development pace and increase
>> the stability for anyone having problems. From the Logic team's past
>> development performance, that's a reasonable expectation. Especially
>> since any wobbliness is entirely on Apple, they make the computer, the
>> OS and the app. Not much finger pointing can be done to excuse any
>> problems. :^)
>>
>> This last Logic release included a couple of specific features users
>> have been requesting, so it's encouraging that the developers seem to be
>> listening to the users.
>>
>> Oh hey, speaking of updates, I just got a notice that Battery 3 was
>> updated. Gotta go try that...
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dedric
>>>> But if you just want to follow along, here's another Logic forum:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&si d=d70b7d3dc9b65497da200877dbd80458
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> And here's what changed in 8.0.1:
>>>>
>>>> http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:b66fm3pb0bgkscobienmcl84a1bhl9gqev@4ax.com...
>>>>>> after visiting the logic discussions site
>>>>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1296436&am p;tstart=0
>>>>>> i think i'll pass...oh well...what's a little longer wait for
>>>>>> something that hopefully works.
>>>>>
>>>>> this is the first time I've visited the Logic forum. I've had it in
>>>>> the back of my mind to move to a 8 core MAC running Logic........I
>>>>> think it may just stay in the back of my mind.....along with all of
>>>>> the other things there like ....well......you already know most of it
>>>>> and you don't want to know the rest.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>
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| Re: Logic 8.0.1 update is out [message #93764 is a reply to message #93761] |
Wed, 19 December 2007 14:22 |
Dedric Terry
Messages: 788
Registered: June 2007
|
Senior Member |
|
|
We aren't going down that road - well Rick can if he wants. ;-)
I'm not holding any hopes for Vista for pro audio. Most PC audio users I
know are sticking to XP (which of course can't last forever). Leopard does
in fact look like a nice upgrade. The last I heard from Nuendo/Mac users is
that the latest rev of Leopard actually improved low latency performance -
not sure exactly how much actual performance it would translate to for
most users, but it sounded promising for Mac users, or anyone considering a
Mac for audio. Since I'll be moving my East West
libraries to Play next year (when Symph. Orch is released), and it's been
updated for better 64 bit support than most apps,
a Mac with 8-16G of Ram is a distinct possibility for me - that's why I keep
an eye on threads like this to get an idea of what's
happening in the real world - the one not influenced by the ads and hype.
Apple holding the reigns of core audio bothers me a little, but it's really
no worse than Microsoft holding the reigns
of whether an application can actually function under its' OS. Apple is
strong with Final Cut, so I'm not any more worried about their committment
to audio than I am about Digi pirating the native realm to put everyone else
out of business (okay, that last part
is more of a concern at the moment).
As far as actual speed for audio, XP appears to be a little faster than
either Leopard or Vista. May not be enough to matter
to most, but in terms of the Apple ads, well, marketing by most companies is
just an attempt to convince buyers of their
version of the truth, regardless of the actual facts. :-) That said, Vista
and Leopard are more extensive OSs than XP, so a little droop in higher
demand performance tests is to be expected.
Found out something interesting when looking at Leopard at CompUSA last
week - Spaces does eat RAM for every instance - it's a cool idea, but for
all but average users, it's just like loading multiple apps - just cleaner
(which would be great for my wife who likes to keep 10 apps open on a Mac
with only 768M of RAM....sigh.... probably one reason the poor beast is
headed out to pasture).
Regards,
Dedric
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:47698dd0$1@linux...
>
> Oh boy! Here we go again! Ignorance is so blissful. Leopard and Vista
> are
> not the same.
>
> rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>it's kind of funny here that the "how superior leopard is to vista "
>>add ran for only one day. i guess that it must have dawned on them
>>that leopard and vista are sailing on the same rotting ship.
>>
>>On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:58:33 -0700, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Hey Dedric,
>>>
>>>Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4768e676$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> After I installed the Logic update, the OSX security update, the
>>>>> Quicktime update and the NeoOffice update, I had some strange behavior
>
>>>>> including a rare crash of Final Cut and display problems in Logic
>>>>> (both reported to Apple). After a reboot things seem to have settled
>
>>>>> down, Logic is behaving, FCP is editing, and I'm working again. I also
>
>>>>> installed today's Mainstage update.
>>>>>
>>>> That's weird. I never have to install updates to Windows, but I do get
>
>>>> constant notices from Apple about security updates,
>>>> Quicktime and iTunes updates. ;-)
>>>
>>>You mean Apple has started fixing the problems in MSWindows? How
>>>generous of them. ;^)
>>>
>>>Apple isn't perfect but I wouldn't fault them for periodic security
>>>updates, that's a huge plus IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I recently installed the Nuendo 4 update, a handful of new VSTi's, a
> new
>>>> library, and it all just works.
>>>> ....hmmm....where have I heard that? ;-) yukyukyuk... Maybe I should
>
>>>> make an add with two guys... nah...never mind. :-)))
>>>
>>>Heh. I did one of those for Sun, BTW. Tried to find you the youtube link
>
>>>but it looks like they took it down.
>>>
>>>But anyway, I'm sure you're not claiming you've never had bugs in
>>>Nuendo. :^)
>>>
>>>Here's a thread about Cubase to Logic switchers - due to bugs in Cubase.
>>>
>>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41478&am p;sid=7692d585bb8d33984e14bd392346c3e5
>>>
>>>Logic has been "just working" here since they fixed the AU playback
>>>problem a few years ago.
>>>
>>>Even Logic 8, except for yesterday's incident which appeared to be a
>>>temporary systemic problem. Not sure what caused it, one of the updates
>
>>>leaving things in an odd state; a power surge; a bug in Logic, OSX or
>>>one of the other apps; or what? But rebooting (which BTW I rarely need
>
>>>to do, this machine has great uptime) seems to have fixed it so far.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Anyway, Deej, fuggetabout it. You're not buying a Mac and neither is
>
>>>>> Dedric. Just ain't gonna happen, and that's OK.
>>>>
>>>> LOL. Well, I'll have to get one for my wife. Today it started up with
>
>>>> a kernel crash... couldn't even wait until we tried to type and email
> or
>>>> search for a file. I don't think we'll be able to limp along with this
>
>>>> one much longer - this has to be the longest slowest death of a
>>>> computer
>
>>>> I've ever seen.
>>>
>>>When is the wake, should I bring a trombone? :^)
>>>
>>>My G4 Power Book has a broken hinge (which I consider to be due to a
>>>design fault, they have a beefier mono-hinge in newer Mac laptops).
>>>Anyway, it's still kickin' otherwise, but I hope to replace it next
>>>month, if a 17" HD version is announced that has LED backlighting or if
>
>>>the rumored new flash-based ultra light laptop seems compelling.
>>>
>>>My G5 has been a dependable cruiser.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm thinking an iMac would be great for her (24" models look really
>>>> nice), but we've also contemplated a MacBook with separate display, but
>
>>>> a tower is still an option. I've thought about getting a MacBook pro
>
>>>> myself to replace my laptop (which is only used for email, net,
>>>> OpenOffice, etc) - also to have a Mac in house, but too many other
>>>> expenses taking precendence for the next few months.
>>>
>>>MacBook Pro is overkill for that. Heck, a MacBook is overkill for that.
>
>>>Unless she intends to run MSWindows on it. ;^)
>>>
>>>Whatever you do, wait until after the Macworld Expo keynote on January
>
>>>15th. It's possible new laptops and towers will be announced.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sorry to hear Apple is falling down on Logic's stability recently. I
>
>>>> know it's frustrating. Maybe someone needs to kick Steve in the butt
>
>>>> and tell him he's starting to act like Macrosoft.
>>>
>>>Maybe so. But AFAIK they still have some of the same development crew
>>>for Logic from the old eMagic.
>>>
>>>IMO Logic 8 is a big step up from Logic 7 in terms of work flow without
>
>>>killing the power behind Logic. They obviously put some thought into it.
>
>>>The newly included Mainstage is pretty cool, too, as is Waveburner. (The
>
>>>bundling of Soundtrack Pro didn't add anything for me since it's also
>>>included with Final Cut.)
>>>
>>>There have been two Logic/Waveburner/Mainstage releases in the last four
>
>>>months. Hopefully they will continue the development pace and increase
>
>>>the stability for anyone having problems. From the Logic team's past
>>>development performance, that's a reasonable expectation. Especially
>>>since any wobbliness is entirely on Apple, they make the computer, the
>
>>>OS and the app. Not much finger pointing can be done to excuse any
>>>problems. :^)
>>>
>>>This last Logic release included a couple of specific features users
>>>have been requesting, so it's encouraging that the developers seem to be
>
>>>listening to the users.
>>>
>>>Oh hey, speaking of updates, I just got a notice that Battery 3 was
>>>updated. Gotta go try that...
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> But if you just want to follow along, here's another Logic forum:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&si d=d70b7d3dc9b65497da200877dbd80458
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And here's what changed in 8.0.1:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:b66fm3pb0bgkscobienmcl84a1bhl9gqev@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> after visiting the logic discussions site
>>>>>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1296436&am p;tstart=0
>>>>>>> i think i'll pass...oh well...what's a little longer wait for
>>>>>>> something that hopefully works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this is the first time I've visited the Logic forum. I've had it in
>
>>>>>> the back of my mind to move to a 8 core MAC running Logic........I
>
>>>>>> think it may just stay in the back of my mind.....along with all of
>
>>>>>> the other things there like ....well......you already know most of
> it
>>>>>> and you don't want to know the rest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>
>
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| Re: Logic 8.0.1 update is out [message #93770 is a reply to message #93761] |
Thu, 20 December 2007 01:39 |
rick
Messages: 1976
Registered: February 2006
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Senior Member |
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you're absolutely right, they're not the same . they just both have
large areas a suckage. as for me, i'll wait for the suck factor to
ebb before i'll install 10.5 whatever...and probably never for vista.
relax and enjoy the upcoming season.
On 20 Dec 2007 08:32:00 +1000, "James McCloskey"
<excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Oh boy! Here we go again! Ignorance is so blissful. Leopard and Vista are
>not the same.
>
>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>it's kind of funny here that the "how superior leopard is to vista "
>>add ran for only one day. i guess that it must have dawned on them
>>that leopard and vista are sailing on the same rotting ship.
>>
>>On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:58:33 -0700, Jamie K <Meta@Dimensional.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Hey Dedric,
>>>
>>>Dedric Terry wrote:
>>>> "Jamie K" <Meta@Dimensional.com> wrote in message news:4768e676$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> After I installed the Logic update, the OSX security update, the
>>>>> Quicktime update and the NeoOffice update, I had some strange behavior
>
>>>>> including a rare crash of Final Cut and display problems in Logic
>>>>> (both reported to Apple). After a reboot things seem to have settled
>
>>>>> down, Logic is behaving, FCP is editing, and I'm working again. I also
>
>>>>> installed today's Mainstage update.
>>>>>
>>>> That's weird. I never have to install updates to Windows, but I do get
>
>>>> constant notices from Apple about security updates,
>>>> Quicktime and iTunes updates. ;-)
>>>
>>>You mean Apple has started fixing the problems in MSWindows? How
>>>generous of them. ;^)
>>>
>>>Apple isn't perfect but I wouldn't fault them for periodic security
>>>updates, that's a huge plus IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I recently installed the Nuendo 4 update, a handful of new VSTi's, a
>new
>>>> library, and it all just works.
>>>> ....hmmm....where have I heard that? ;-) yukyukyuk... Maybe I should
>
>>>> make an add with two guys... nah...never mind. :-)))
>>>
>>>Heh. I did one of those for Sun, BTW. Tried to find you the youtube link
>
>>>but it looks like they took it down.
>>>
>>>But anyway, I'm sure you're not claiming you've never had bugs in
>>>Nuendo. :^)
>>>
>>>Here's a thread about Cubase to Logic switchers - due to bugs in Cubase.
>>>
>>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=41478&am p;sid=7692d585bb8d33984e14bd392346c3e5
>>>
>>>Logic has been "just working" here since they fixed the AU playback
>>>problem a few years ago.
>>>
>>>Even Logic 8, except for yesterday's incident which appeared to be a
>>>temporary systemic problem. Not sure what caused it, one of the updates
>
>>>leaving things in an odd state; a power surge; a bug in Logic, OSX or
>>>one of the other apps; or what? But rebooting (which BTW I rarely need
>
>>>to do, this machine has great uptime) seems to have fixed it so far.
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Anyway, Deej, fuggetabout it. You're not buying a Mac and neither is
>
>>>>> Dedric. Just ain't gonna happen, and that's OK.
>>>>
>>>> LOL. Well, I'll have to get one for my wife. Today it started up with
>
>>>> a kernel crash... couldn't even wait until we tried to type and email
>or
>>>> search for a file. I don't think we'll be able to limp along with this
>
>>>> one much longer - this has to be the longest slowest death of a computer
>
>>>> I've ever seen.
>>>
>>>When is the wake, should I bring a trombone? :^)
>>>
>>>My G4 Power Book has a broken hinge (which I consider to be due to a
>>>design fault, they have a beefier mono-hinge in newer Mac laptops).
>>>Anyway, it's still kickin' otherwise, but I hope to replace it next
>>>month, if a 17" HD version is announced that has LED backlighting or if
>
>>>the rumored new flash-based ultra light laptop seems compelling.
>>>
>>>My G5 has been a dependable cruiser.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm thinking an iMac would be great for her (24" models look really
>>>> nice), but we've also contemplated a MacBook with separate display, but
>
>>>> a tower is still an option. I've thought about getting a MacBook pro
>
>>>> myself to replace my laptop (which is only used for email, net,
>>>> OpenOffice, etc) - also to have a Mac in house, but too many other
>>>> expenses taking precendence for the next few months.
>>>
>>>MacBook Pro is overkill for that. Heck, a MacBook is overkill for that.
>
>>>Unless she intends to run MSWindows on it. ;^)
>>>
>>>Whatever you do, wait until after the Macworld Expo keynote on January
>
>>>15th. It's possible new laptops and towers will be announced.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Sorry to hear Apple is falling down on Logic's stability recently. I
>
>>>> know it's frustrating. Maybe someone needs to kick Steve in the butt
>
>>>> and tell him he's starting to act like Macrosoft.
>>>
>>>Maybe so. But AFAIK they still have some of the same development crew
>>>for Logic from the old eMagic.
>>>
>>>IMO Logic 8 is a big step up from Logic 7 in terms of work flow without
>
>>>killing the power behind Logic. They obviously put some thought into it.
>
>>>The newly included Mainstage is pretty cool, too, as is Waveburner. (The
>
>>>bundling of Soundtrack Pro didn't add anything for me since it's also
>>>included with Final Cut.)
>>>
>>>There have been two Logic/Waveburner/Mainstage releases in the last four
>
>>>months. Hopefully they will continue the development pace and increase
>
>>>the stability for anyone having problems. From the Logic team's past
>>>development performance, that's a reasonable expectation. Especially
>>>since any wobbliness is entirely on Apple, they make the computer, the
>
>>>OS and the app. Not much finger pointing can be done to excuse any
>>>problems. :^)
>>>
>>>This last Logic release included a couple of specific features users
>>>have been requesting, so it's encouraging that the developers seem to be
>
>>>listening to the users.
>>>
>>>Oh hey, speaking of updates, I just got a notice that Battery 3 was
>>>updated. Gotta go try that...
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dedric
>>>>>
>>>>> But if you just want to follow along, here's another Logic forum:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.bigbluelounge.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=2&si d=d70b7d3dc9b65497da200877dbd80458
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And here's what changed in 8.0.1:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Logic_Pro_8.0_lbn_z.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>> "rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:b66fm3pb0bgkscobienmcl84a1bhl9gqev@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> after visiting the logic discussions site
>>>>>>> http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1296436&am p;tstart=0
>>>>>>> i think i'll pass...oh well...what's a little longer wait for
>>>>>>> something that hopefully works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this is the first time I've visited the Logic forum. I've had it in
>
>>>>>> the back of my mind to move to a 8 core MAC running Logic........I
>
>>>>>> think it may just stay in the back of my mind.....along with all of
>
>>>>>> the other things there like ....well......you already know most of
>it
>>>>>> and you don't want to know the rest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>>
>>
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