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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86852 is a reply to message #86843] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 19:45   |
LaMont
Messages: 828
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I don't know Bill, our Soundcraft Ghost 32/with 24 input side car sounds fabulous
at aocst of $4000/3000 respectiviley..
Heck, the Mackie Onyx mixers sounds great. To me , the Onyx pres sound better
than the Tridents pres. These days, it not all about cost..
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>$5100 for 24 channels of good pres and EQs would be pretty sweet. But
>that ain't a lot of dough so it's a little tough to believe it can have
>great sound.
>
>DJ wrote:
>> I tend to trust Fletcher's judgment when it comes to audio gear (probably
we
>> like and use a lot of the same words and expressions ;o), but he's
>> affiliated with Mercenary only as a "consultant" these days. Not sure
if
>> "consultant" means that the guy who is running the show there "consults"
>> with him and then goes ahead and does what he damn well pleases or not,
even
>> if Fletcher gives it a thumbs down. I sorta' doubt it. Fletcher seems
to be
>> a bit like SSC in some ways in that it doesn't appear that his opinion
can
>> be "bought" and so perhaps he wouldn't be a "consultant" to Mercenary
if he
>> thought they were pimping crap.
>>
>> Anyway.........as long as it took Mr. Toft to release this for retail
sale
>> (it think it was something like 3 or 4 years), I'd think that some care
was
>> taken to give it the mojo that he's known to impart to his circuitry.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> .
>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46759d1e$1@linux...
>>> I think you could more easily do all your automation in Cubase -
>>> you could use this board for EQ & summing on mixdown. Still
>>> haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like an analog one, so
>>> I guess that's what I'd like to have it for.
>>>
>>> In termsof the tracking phase of things, it'd be nice to have
>>> for monitor mixes, as with any console. I have enough pre's for
>>> most tasks, but I sure like that Trident sound... wonder if
>>> these boards really get you there?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>> I called PMI about 8 months ago about this board. No automation options.
>>>> What a POS.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46759699$1@linux...
>>>>> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
>>> says
>>>>> something to me. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>>>>>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>>>>>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>>>>>> potential.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86853 is a reply to message #86852] |
Sun, 17 June 2007 19:56 |
Bill L
Messages: 766
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Lamont, you are so right about that, but you have to admit that when you
do spend on a really nice piece, it has a little something extra good
usually.
OTOH, back in the day, we just used the board for mic ins. We never even
heard of outboard pres and if the *player* was good, you got a good sound.
LaMont wrote:
> I don't know Bill, our Soundcraft Ghost 32/with 24 input side car sounds fabulous
> at aocst of $4000/3000 respectiviley..
>
> Heck, the Mackie Onyx mixers sounds great. To me , the Onyx pres sound better
> than the Tridents pres. These days, it not all about cost..
>
> Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>> $5100 for 24 channels of good pres and EQs would be pretty sweet. But
>> that ain't a lot of dough so it's a little tough to believe it can have
>
>> great sound.
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>>> I tend to trust Fletcher's judgment when it comes to audio gear (probably
> we
>>> like and use a lot of the same words and expressions ;o), but he's
>>> affiliated with Mercenary only as a "consultant" these days. Not sure
> if
>>> "consultant" means that the guy who is running the show there "consults"
>
>>> with him and then goes ahead and does what he damn well pleases or not,
> even
>>> if Fletcher gives it a thumbs down. I sorta' doubt it. Fletcher seems
> to be
>>> a bit like SSC in some ways in that it doesn't appear that his opinion
> can
>>> be "bought" and so perhaps he wouldn't be a "consultant" to Mercenary
> if he
>>> thought they were pimping crap.
>>>
>>> Anyway.........as long as it took Mr. Toft to release this for retail
> sale
>>> (it think it was something like 3 or 4 years), I'd think that some care
> was
>>> taken to give it the mojo that he's known to impart to his circuitry.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> .
>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46759d1e$1@linux...
>>>> I think you could more easily do all your automation in Cubase -
>>>> you could use this board for EQ & summing on mixdown. Still
>>>> haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like an analog one, so
>>>> I guess that's what I'd like to have it for.
>>>>
>>>> In termsof the tracking phase of things, it'd be nice to have
>>>> for monitor mixes, as with any console. I have enough pre's for
>>>> most tasks, but I sure like that Trident sound... wonder if
>>>> these boards really get you there?
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>> I called PMI about 8 months ago about this board. No automation options.
>>>>> What a POS.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:46759699$1@linux...
>>>>>> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
>>>> says
>>>>>> something to me. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>>>>>>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>>>>>>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>>>>>>> potential.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86858 is a reply to message #86843] |
Mon, 18 June 2007 04:29 |
wireline[26]
Messages: 1
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I heard the working prototype at Summer NAMM in Austin a summer or two back...got
to audition the board a bit, talked with Alan Hyatt for a while, etc...
Althought it wasn't by any means a bad board, from what I heard 1st hand
regarding EQ, summing, bus assigns, etc, it is not even in the same league
as even the mid-higher grade boards from the 80s and 90s (Souncraft 200,
Soundtracs, MCI, etc...) It doesn't suck, but its not anywhere close to the
hype, regardless of who is saying it (and how much they are compensated for
saying it)...
From what I heard, the biggest advantage is that these Toft boards are ....
new.
IMO, $5-$6K will buy an awful lot more quality, character, and sonic mojo
than the Tofts...but that's just one opinion.
Oh - and the reason it took so long to get the board released: (this direct
from Alan Hyatt himself) was the continual quality control issues, manufacturing
snags, parts availablity in China, suppliers flaking, last minute design
changes (some major ones), mass shipping plans that fell through, etc...
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>$5100 for 24 channels of good pres and EQs would be pretty sweet. But
>that ain't a lot of dough so it's a little tough to believe it can have
>great sound.
>
>DJ wrote:
>> I tend to trust Fletcher's judgment when it comes to audio gear (probably
we
>> like and use a lot of the same words and expressions ;o), but he's
>> affiliated with Mercenary only as a "consultant" these days. Not sure
if
>> "consultant" means that the guy who is running the show there "consults"
>> with him and then goes ahead and does what he damn well pleases or not,
even
>> if Fletcher gives it a thumbs down. I sorta' doubt it. Fletcher seems
to be
>> a bit like SSC in some ways in that it doesn't appear that his opinion
can
>> be "bought" and so perhaps he wouldn't be a "consultant" to Mercenary
if he
>> thought they were pimping crap.
>>
>> Anyway.........as long as it took Mr. Toft to release this for retail
sale
>> (it think it was something like 3 or 4 years), I'd think that some care
was
>> taken to give it the mojo that he's known to impart to his circuitry.
>>
>> ;o)
>>
>> .
>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46759d1e$1@linux...
>>> I think you could more easily do all your automation in Cubase -
>>> you could use this board for EQ & summing on mixdown. Still
>>> haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like an analog one, so
>>> I guess that's what I'd like to have it for.
>>>
>>> In termsof the tracking phase of things, it'd be nice to have
>>> for monitor mixes, as with any console. I have enough pre's for
>>> most tasks, but I sure like that Trident sound... wonder if
>>> these boards really get you there?
>>>
>>> Neil
>>>
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>> I called PMI about 8 months ago about this board. No automation options.
>>>> What a POS.
>>>>
>>>> ;o)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:46759699$1@linux...
>>>>> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
>>> says
>>>>> something to me. ;)
>>>>>
>>>>> Graham
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>>>>>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>>>>>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>>>>>> potential.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>
>>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86864 is a reply to message #86777] |
Mon, 18 June 2007 07:51 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
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Well, here's my favorite example. Sitting IDLE, not doing anything, with no
applications running, the OS reports using half a gig or RAM. That's not
a problem in the sense that memory is cheap, but it's offensive to my computing
sensibilities. Presumably all of those processes that are making sure you
can't listen to your own music or install a driver take up that memory.
It's also just butt ugly.
TCB
Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>I'm not baiting you - just curious - why do you hate Vista so much? I
>really know little about it other than the fact that i won't be moving
>to it immediately.
>
>TCB wrote:
>> Well, you obviously have vastly greater processing needs than I do, but
one
>> thing in this post sent shivers down my spine. At some point in the future
>> I'm going to have to a) move to Vista or b) move to something else. I
despise
>> Vista, it is an evil, horrible, repulsive tool of corporate control disguised
>> as a very bad operating system. It makes you stupider just looking at
it
>> for a few hours. But at some point if I want to run Live 7 (or something
>> similar) I'll have no choice but to move off of XP, which means either
Vista
>> or whatever feline Apple is stuffing down the throats of their users.
>>
>> The horror.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>> I've been sitting around here frettin' about building another DAW. The
>>> reason for the chagrin is latency and resource limitations. I have resigned
>>
>>> myself to staying with my Opteron 185 (5.2GHz on two cores) system. I've
>>
>>> been doing a bit of experimentation with some things and I've decided
to
>>
>>> just "live with" ASIO driect monitoring instead of trying to go the route
>> of
>>> "real time" zero latency tracking. ADM with the HDSP cards works so
>>> flawlessly that I don't think I'm going to be needing to go to the server
>>
>>> level system right now as long as I've got the slave DAW running systemlink.
>>
>>> VStack sorta' sucks for my purposes though. I'm probably going to get
>>> another version of Cubase for the slave comp due to the bussing limitations
>>
>>> in VStack. Maybe in another year when Steinberg has their apps optomized
>> for
>>> dual socket Quad core systems and Vista is a bit further down the road.
>>> I've also been looking at the new Macs and I'm waiting to see what the
>>> newest incarnation of Logic will hold.
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86866 is a reply to message #86864] |
Mon, 18 June 2007 08:30 |
wireline[27]
Messages: 1
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Kinda OT, kinda not...Your report of Vista is consistent with others I've
heard...which makes me wonder why dedicated recording HD systems are not
more prevalent...
Even though it took 3 years to release after it was announced, I am DYING
to fully demo the Tascam X48...supposedly runs VSTs, DX, etc...and does not
rely on XP, Vista, anything...
FWIW: Radar (my favorite recording machine beyond ANY doubt) runs off BeOS...and
(get this!) the lowly Reaper DAW can import, manipulate, and export tracks
IN RADAR'S FORMAT!!! No format conversion necessary - all digital, still
played back thru Radar's DA is you wish...
To my thinking, this is HUGE...forward thinking at its finest, incorporating
a nearly free application with THE gold standard of ADDA and recording...
If only Samplitude would follow suit...but I digress...the X48 may have some
quirks yet to be worked out, but it does look very promising for those of
us who really do NOT want to hassle with standard Windows/Vista/OSX issues...
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>Well, here's my favorite example. Sitting IDLE, not doing anything, with
no
>applications running, the OS reports using half a gig or RAM. That's not
>a problem in the sense that memory is cheap, but it's offensive to my computing
>sensibilities. Presumably all of those processes that are making sure you
>can't listen to your own music or install a driver take up that memory.
>
>It's also just butt ugly.
>
>TCB
>
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>I'm not baiting you - just curious - why do you hate Vista so much? I
>>really know little about it other than the fact that i won't be moving
>>to it immediately.
>>
>>TCB wrote:
>>> Well, you obviously have vastly greater processing needs than I do, but
>one
>>> thing in this post sent shivers down my spine. At some point in the future
>>> I'm going to have to a) move to Vista or b) move to something else. I
>despise
>>> Vista, it is an evil, horrible, repulsive tool of corporate control disguised
>>> as a very bad operating system. It makes you stupider just looking at
>it
>>> for a few hours. But at some point if I want to run Live 7 (or something
>>> similar) I'll have no choice but to move off of XP, which means either
>Vista
>>> or whatever feline Apple is stuffing down the throats of their users.
>
>>>
>>> The horror.
>>>
>>> TCB
>>>
>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>> I've been sitting around here frettin' about building another DAW. The
>
>>>> reason for the chagrin is latency and resource limitations. I have resigned
>>>
>>>> myself to staying with my Opteron 185 (5.2GHz on two cores) system.
I've
>>>
>>>> been doing a bit of experimentation with some things and I've decided
>to
>>>
>>>> just "live with" ASIO driect monitoring instead of trying to go the
route
>>> of
>>>> "real time" zero latency tracking. ADM with the HDSP cards works so
>>>> flawlessly that I don't think I'm going to be needing to go to the server
>>>
>>>> level system right now as long as I've got the slave DAW running systemlink.
>>>
>>>> VStack sorta' sucks for my purposes though. I'm probably going to get
>
>>>> another version of Cubase for the slave comp due to the bussing limitations
>>>
>>>> in VStack. Maybe in another year when Steinberg has their apps optomized
>>> for
>>>> dual socket Quad core systems and Vista is a bit further down the road.
>>>> I've also been looking at the new Macs and I'm waiting to see what the
>
>>>> newest incarnation of Logic will hold.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86868 is a reply to message #86866] |
Mon, 18 June 2007 08:34 |
EK Sound
Messages: 939
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AND, the X48 has a built-in 80GB hard drive!!! What would you do with
"all that space"??? ;-)
David.
wireline wrote:
> Kinda OT, kinda not...Your report of Vista is consistent with others I've
> heard...which makes me wonder why dedicated recording HD systems are not
> more prevalent...
>
> Even though it took 3 years to release after it was announced, I am DYING
> to fully demo the Tascam X48...supposedly runs VSTs, DX, etc...and does not
> rely on XP, Vista, anything...
>
> FWIW: Radar (my favorite recording machine beyond ANY doubt) runs off BeOS...and
> (get this!) the lowly Reaper DAW can import, manipulate, and export tracks
> IN RADAR'S FORMAT!!! No format conversion necessary - all digital, still
> played back thru Radar's DA is you wish...
>
> To my thinking, this is HUGE...forward thinking at its finest, incorporating
> a nearly free application with THE gold standard of ADDA and recording...
>
> If only Samplitude would follow suit...but I digress...the X48 may have some
> quirks yet to be worked out, but it does look very promising for those of
> us who really do NOT want to hassle with standard Windows/Vista/OSX issues...
>
>
>
> "TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>>Well, here's my favorite example. Sitting IDLE, not doing anything, with
>
> no
>
>>applications running, the OS reports using half a gig or RAM. That's not
>>a problem in the sense that memory is cheap, but it's offensive to my computing
>>sensibilities. Presumably all of those processes that are making sure you
>>can't listen to your own music or install a driver take up that memory.
>
>
>>It's also just butt ugly.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I'm not baiting you - just curious - why do you hate Vista so much? I
>>>really know little about it other than the fact that i won't be moving
>
>
>>>to it immediately.
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>
>>>>Well, you obviously have vastly greater processing needs than I do, but
>>
>>one
>>
>>>>thing in this post sent shivers down my spine. At some point in the future
>>>>I'm going to have to a) move to Vista or b) move to something else. I
>>
>>despise
>>
>>>>Vista, it is an evil, horrible, repulsive tool of corporate control disguised
>>>>as a very bad operating system. It makes you stupider just looking at
>>
>>it
>>
>>>>for a few hours. But at some point if I want to run Live 7 (or something
>>>>similar) I'll have no choice but to move off of XP, which means either
>>
>>Vista
>>
>>>>or whatever feline Apple is stuffing down the throats of their users.
>>
>>>>The horror.
>>>>
>>>>TCB
>>>>
>>>>"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>I've been sitting around here frettin' about building another DAW. The
>>
>>>>>reason for the chagrin is latency and resource limitations. I have resigned
>>>>
>>>>>myself to staying with my Opteron 185 (5.2GHz on two cores) system.
>
> I've
>
>>>>>been doing a bit of experimentation with some things and I've decided
>>
>>to
>>
>>>>>just "live with" ASIO driect monitoring instead of trying to go the
>
> route
>
>>>>of
>>>>
>>>>>"real time" zero latency tracking. ADM with the HDSP cards works so
>
>
>>>>>flawlessly that I don't think I'm going to be needing to go to the server
>>>>
>>>>>level system right now as long as I've got the slave DAW running systemlink.
>>>>
>>>>>VStack sorta' sucks for my purposes though. I'm probably going to get
>>
>>>>>another version of Cubase for the slave comp due to the bussing limitations
>>>>
>>>>>in VStack. Maybe in another year when Steinberg has their apps optomized
>>>>
>>>>for
>>>>
>>>>>dual socket Quad core systems and Vista is a bit further down the road.
>>>>>I've also been looking at the new Macs and I'm waiting to see what the
>>
>>>>>newest incarnation of Logic will hold.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86870 is a reply to message #86866] |
Mon, 18 June 2007 09:18 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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I think there are lots of compelling reasons to use a computer for recording,
I just don't think there's ANYTHING compelling about Vista.
TCB
"wireline" <Wellarmed@2damendment.org> wrote:
>
>Kinda OT, kinda not...Your report of Vista is consistent with others I've
>heard...which makes me wonder why dedicated recording HD systems are not
>more prevalent...
>
>Even though it took 3 years to release after it was announced, I am DYING
>to fully demo the Tascam X48...supposedly runs VSTs, DX, etc...and does
not
>rely on XP, Vista, anything...
>
>FWIW: Radar (my favorite recording machine beyond ANY doubt) runs off BeOS...and
>(get this!) the lowly Reaper DAW can import, manipulate, and export tracks
>IN RADAR'S FORMAT!!! No format conversion necessary - all digital, still
>played back thru Radar's DA is you wish...
>
>To my thinking, this is HUGE...forward thinking at its finest, incorporating
>a nearly free application with THE gold standard of ADDA and recording...
>
>If only Samplitude would follow suit...but I digress...the X48 may have
some
>quirks yet to be worked out, but it does look very promising for those of
>us who really do NOT want to hassle with standard Windows/Vista/OSX issues...
>
>
>
>"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>>
>>Well, here's my favorite example. Sitting IDLE, not doing anything, with
>no
>>applications running, the OS reports using half a gig or RAM. That's not
>>a problem in the sense that memory is cheap, but it's offensive to my computing
>>sensibilities. Presumably all of those processes that are making sure you
>>can't listen to your own music or install a driver take up that memory.
>
>>
>>It's also just butt ugly.
>>
>>TCB
>>
>>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>>I'm not baiting you - just curious - why do you hate Vista so much? I
>>>really know little about it other than the fact that i won't be moving
>
>>>to it immediately.
>>>
>>>TCB wrote:
>>>> Well, you obviously have vastly greater processing needs than I do,
but
>>one
>>>> thing in this post sent shivers down my spine. At some point in the
future
>>>> I'm going to have to a) move to Vista or b) move to something else.
I
>>despise
>>>> Vista, it is an evil, horrible, repulsive tool of corporate control
disguised
>>>> as a very bad operating system. It makes you stupider just looking at
>>it
>>>> for a few hours. But at some point if I want to run Live 7 (or something
>>>> similar) I'll have no choice but to move off of XP, which means either
>>Vista
>>>> or whatever feline Apple is stuffing down the throats of their users.
>>
>>>>
>>>> The horror.
>>>>
>>>> TCB
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>> I've been sitting around here frettin' about building another DAW.
The
>>
>>>>> reason for the chagrin is latency and resource limitations. I have
resigned
>>>>
>>>>> myself to staying with my Opteron 185 (5.2GHz on two cores) system.
>I've
>>>>
>>>>> been doing a bit of experimentation with some things and I've decided
>>to
>>>>
>>>>> just "live with" ASIO driect monitoring instead of trying to go the
>route
>>>> of
>>>>> "real time" zero latency tracking. ADM with the HDSP cards works so
>
>>>>> flawlessly that I don't think I'm going to be needing to go to the
server
>>>>
>>>>> level system right now as long as I've got the slave DAW running systemlink.
>>>>
>>>>> VStack sorta' sucks for my purposes though. I'm probably going to get
>>
>>>>> another version of Cubase for the slave comp due to the bussing limitations
>>>>
>>>>> in VStack. Maybe in another year when Steinberg has their apps optomized
>>>> for
>>>>> dual socket Quad core systems and Vista is a bit further down the road.
>>>>> I've also been looking at the new Macs and I'm waiting to see what
the
>>
>>>>> newest incarnation of Logic will hold.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86879 is a reply to message #86839] |
Mon, 18 June 2007 14:20 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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Do you think Fletcher would hit on my date at the NAMM show? If so, he and
SSC might be cousins.
I think Fletcher can also be a little intolerant (like SSC could be) but
that said intolerance was never mean spirited, just opinionated, and in a
good way. Well, maybe except when it came to Lexicon . . .
Looks like a cool board, that Toft one,
TCB
"DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>I tend to trust Fletcher's judgment when it comes to audio gear (probably
we
>like and use a lot of the same words and expressions ;o), but he's
>affiliated with Mercenary only as a "consultant" these days. Not sure if
>"consultant" means that the guy who is running the show there "consults"
>with him and then goes ahead and does what he damn well pleases or not,
even
>if Fletcher gives it a thumbs down. I sorta' doubt it. Fletcher seems to
be
>a bit like SSC in some ways in that it doesn't appear that his opinion can
>be "bought" and so perhaps he wouldn't be a "consultant" to Mercenary if
he
>thought they were pimping crap.
>
>Anyway.........as long as it took Mr. Toft to release this for retail sale
>(it think it was something like 3 or 4 years), I'd think that some care
was
>taken to give it the mojo that he's known to impart to his circuitry.
>
>;o)
>
>.
>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46759d1e$1@linux...
>>
>> I think you could more easily do all your automation in Cubase -
>> you could use this board for EQ & summing on mixdown. Still
>> haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like an analog one, so
>> I guess that's what I'd like to have it for.
>>
>> In termsof the tracking phase of things, it'd be nice to have
>> for monitor mixes, as with any console. I have enough pre's for
>> most tasks, but I sure like that Trident sound... wonder if
>> these boards really get you there?
>>
>> Neil
>>
>>
>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>I called PMI about 8 months ago about this board. No automation options.
>>
>>>What a POS.
>>>
>>>;o)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>>news:46759699$1@linux...
>>>> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
>> says
>>>> something to me. ;)
>>>>
>>>> Graham
>>>>
>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>>
>>>>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>>>>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>>>>> potential.
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86891 is a reply to message #86882] |
Tue, 19 June 2007 08:56 |
Tom Bruhl
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RADAR was the only other consideration for me when I decided on Paris.
T.
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Cheers,
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| Re: I have made a major DAW decision [message #86926 is a reply to message #86858] |
Wed, 20 June 2007 08:33 |
excelav
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If you go look it up on gear slutz you will get a better idea of what went
on with the delays of this board. It had to do with the company that was
manufacturing the power supply, and other minor things. Design changes slowed
it up also, they wanted to get it right. They are on their second run of
this board. One of the cool things they did was, they asked the customers
what they wanted in the board. They made design changes to accommodate the
customers wishes. They talked to customers for almost a year before they
started manufacturing the board. The changes they made are geared to modern
recording with a DAW.
You can find audio samples from customers that now have the ATB. One guy
A-B it against a Studer console. Check it out.
They are going to make a A-Range, but it will be 30K up most likely.
"wireline" <ken@cheezeandcrackers.edu> wrote:
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>I heard the working prototype at Summer NAMM in Austin a summer or two back...got
>to audition the board a bit, talked with Alan Hyatt for a while, etc...
>
>Althought it wasn't by any means a bad board, from what I heard 1st hand
>regarding EQ, summing, bus assigns, etc, it is not even in the same league
>as even the mid-higher grade boards from the 80s and 90s (Souncraft 200,
>Soundtracs, MCI, etc...) It doesn't suck, but its not anywhere close to
the
>hype, regardless of who is saying it (and how much they are compensated
for
>saying it)...
>From what I heard, the biggest advantage is that these Toft boards are ....
>new.
>
>IMO, $5-$6K will buy an awful lot more quality, character, and sonic mojo
>than the Tofts...but that's just one opinion.
>
>Oh - and the reason it took so long to get the board released: (this direct
>from Alan Hyatt himself) was the continual quality control issues, manufacturing
>snags, parts availablity in China, suppliers flaking, last minute design
>changes (some major ones), mass shipping plans that fell through, etc...
>
>
>Bill L <bill@billlorentzen.com> wrote:
>>$5100 for 24 channels of good pres and EQs would be pretty sweet. But
>>that ain't a lot of dough so it's a little tough to believe it can have
>
>>great sound.
>>
>>DJ wrote:
>>> I tend to trust Fletcher's judgment when it comes to audio gear (probably
>we
>>> like and use a lot of the same words and expressions ;o), but he's
>>> affiliated with Mercenary only as a "consultant" these days. Not sure
>if
>>> "consultant" means that the guy who is running the show there "consults"
>
>>> with him and then goes ahead and does what he damn well pleases or not,
>even
>>> if Fletcher gives it a thumbs down. I sorta' doubt it. Fletcher seems
>to be
>>> a bit like SSC in some ways in that it doesn't appear that his opinion
>can
>>> be "bought" and so perhaps he wouldn't be a "consultant" to Mercenary
>if he
>>> thought they were pimping crap.
>>>
>>> Anyway.........as long as it took Mr. Toft to release this for retail
>sale
>>> (it think it was something like 3 or 4 years), I'd think that some care
>was
>>> taken to give it the mojo that he's known to impart to his circuitry.
>>>
>>> ;o)
>>>
>>> .
>>> "Neil" <IOUOIU@OIU.com> wrote in message news:46759d1e$1@linux...
>>>> I think you could more easily do all your automation in Cubase -
>>>> you could use this board for EQ & summing on mixdown. Still
>>>> haven't found a plugin EQ that sounds like an analog one, so
>>>> I guess that's what I'd like to have it for.
>>>>
>>>> In termsof the tracking phase of things, it'd be nice to have
>>>> for monitor mixes, as with any console. I have enough pre's for
>>>> most tasks, but I sure like that Trident sound... wonder if
>>>> these boards really get you there?
>>>>
>>>> Neil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "DJ" <www.aarrrrggghhh!!!.com> wrote:
>>>>> I called PMI about 8 months ago about this board. No automation options.
>>>>> What a POS.
>>>>>
>>>>> ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Graham Duncan" <graham@grahamduncan.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:46759699$1@linux...
>>>>>> Yeah, I'd like to hear one. If Fletcher AND Tchad Blake dig it, that
>>>> says
>>>>>> something to me. ;)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Graham
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris Ludwig wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Graham,
>>>>>>> Saw a prototype of this a couple AES shows ago and it was very cool.
>>>>>>> Haven't heard on off the show floor though to know how they sound.
>>>>>>> Supposedly future Firewire and digital I/O options. So it's got
>>>>>>> potential.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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