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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66781 is a reply to message #66770] |
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jef knight[1]
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I use pintech/alesis here. but I'd like to get the Roland td-20 module.
it's very robust, accurate and sounds quite nice. beau coupe bucks
though, and as I'm not playing live with them, can't justify getting.
I also don't like the mesh heads. I have Even's Ambassador's on now,
with the underlying padding removed and the are remarkabley real in
feel. I found that the mesh heads "give back" too much and are very
fatiguing on the wrists after an while... don't want carpel tunnel
syndrome.
I actually only use the alesis modules, 2x pm-pro's - one for cym's and
snare one for kick and toms because of "voice-eating", I only use them
for monitoring. They go into the comp via the midi on the hdsp card and
are assigned to BFD drum software - which i might say is phenomenal
sounding.
sorry if i'm not being too helpful, just wanted to chime in.. ; )
jef
John wrote:
> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to get
> a new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great variety of
> drum sounds but it has no windows program to configure the midi parts
> of it and I have to use an external sound module (my motif keyboard)
> for the sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors fail every 2
> years. I've had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they want $200 for
> a new film pad.
>
> So...........
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> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
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> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library and
> be able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily switch
> drum sets. I want to be able to easily configure the pan/volumes of
> each drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can this be done?
> Easily? This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>
> Thanks.
> John
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66810 is a reply to message #66770] |
Sat, 15 April 2006 15:32 |
Jamie K
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For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads
which they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the kit
used on ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh heads which
I prefer to the standard drum heads, but you can use either with those
pads. This setup offers positional sensing.
For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive and
convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the time I
chose it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific Chameleon
kit (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try with DDrum
triggers. Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger kit.
For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger
Native Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets (you
can also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use additional
pads through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7 cymbal, plus a
few specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads out of Remo practice
pads, old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've been surprisingly long
lived.
If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to the
Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the DDrum4,
plus other useful extra features, at about the same price point. Doesn't
look as well built, though.
A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when we'll
see it.
The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
overpriced.
The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I like
my DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted on
standard hardware, plays like a regular kit.
Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto an
acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it wouldn't
have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or maybe someone
has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a general purpose
sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD for your actual
sound library.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
John wrote:
> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to get a
> new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great variety of drum
> sounds but it has no windows program to configure the midi parts of it
> and I have to use an external sound module (my motif keyboard) for the
> sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors fail every 2 years. I've
> had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they want $200 for a new film pad.
>
> So...........
>
> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>
> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library and be
> able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily switch drum
> sets. I want to be able to easily configure the pan/volumes of each
> drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can this be done? Easily?
> This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>
> Thanks.
> John
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66816 is a reply to message #66813] |
Sat, 15 April 2006 16:39 |
Jamie K
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Registered: July 2006
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I tried really hard to like the TD10 and spent time trying to get it to
sound good using the simplistic programming interface but I have to
agree about that box. The toms sucked, in particular.
I haven't spent much time with it but from limited exposure I think the
TD20 is improved. I wouldn't dismiss that one without trying it, if it's
within your budget. I can't say if it's as good as the DDrum4 or how it
compares to the Yamaha DTXtremeIIS.
BTW, I think the PODXTLive is better sounding than earlier PODs.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
Aaron Allen wrote:
> I think for me the Roland blows it on the plastic quality of the drums.. too
> processed for me, and I like processing. It's like that decision has already
> been made for you and you get no alternative and there is no backing out of
> it to a more natural state. Kind of like the POD versus a real amp. Is that
> what you're hearing Don?
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> AA
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> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:44415827$1@linux...
>> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> news:44413dee$1@linux...
>>> Clavis dDrums are supposed to be great stuff, and as I said, they can be
>>> mapped to BFD if you want ultimate realism, though I hear the sample sets
>>> for dDrums are reall great as well. I played around on a big Roland VDrum
>>> kit at GC in Phoenix last summer. I sounded *very* realistic......and I
>>> mean.......*very*.
>>>
>> That was my initial impression of the VDrums (TD10) until I actually had
>> to record with them
>>
>> the final verdict....Donkey Balls
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>> Great for practice or rehearsal.
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>> BDF or DKFH are a great way to go, but you'll need horsepower in your rig
>> for accurate triggering from what I hear...
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>> The ddrum module (from what I've heard) is probably the most realistic
>> module but the pads and # of inputs is limited.
>>
>> Don
>>
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>
> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
>
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66873 is a reply to message #66810] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 04:37 |
John [1]
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thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound
libraries? Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the box
using exactly the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to allow me
to easily assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume positions
easily. I played a roland at guitar center and thought the sounds were
hip hop oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
Thanks !!
Jamie K wrote:
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> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
> years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads
> which they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the kit
> used on ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh heads which
> I prefer to the standard drum heads, but you can use either with those
> pads. This setup offers positional sensing.
>
> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive and
> convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the time I
> chose it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific Chameleon
> kit (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try with DDrum
> triggers. Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger kit.
>
> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger
> Native Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets (you
> can also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use additional
> pads through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7 cymbal, plus a
> few specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads out of Remo practice
> pads, old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've been surprisingly long
> lived.
>
> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to the
> Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the DDrum4,
> plus other useful extra features, at about the same price point. Doesn't
> look as well built, though.
>
> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when we'll
> see it.
>
> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
> overpriced.
>
> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I like
> my DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted on
> standard hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>
> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto an
> acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it wouldn't
> have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or maybe someone
> has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a general purpose
> sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD for your actual
> sound library.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> John wrote:
>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to get
>> a new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great variety of
>> drum sounds but it has no windows program to configure the midi parts
>> of it and I have to use an external sound module (my motif keyboard)
>> for the sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors fail every 2
>> years. I've had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they want $200 for
>> a new film pad.
>>
>> So...........
>>
>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>
>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library and
>> be able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily switch
>> drum sets. I want to be able to easily configure the pan/volumes of
>> each drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can this be done?
>> Easily? This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>
>> Thanks.
>> John
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66874 is a reply to message #66873] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 04:57 |
Don Nafe
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I think the hihat is the weakest link in all E-kits...as for playability -
you can buy actual hihat pads that work with your existing pedal but the
sounds still suck.
As for several kits...unless you're happy with the existing sounds in a
module you're gonna have to go with a soft synth like
Don
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44422b32@linux...
> thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound libraries?
> Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the box using exactly
> the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to allow me to easily
> assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume positions easily. I
> played a roland at guitar center and thought the sounds were hip hop
> oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
>
> And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
>
> Thanks !!
>
> Jamie K wrote:
>>
>> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
>> years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads which
>> they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the kit used on
>> ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh heads which I prefer
>> to the standard drum heads, but you can use either with those pads. This
>> setup offers positional sensing.
>>
>> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive and
>> convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the time I chose
>> it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific Chameleon kit
>> (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try with DDrum triggers.
>> Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger kit.
>>
>> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger Native
>> Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets (you can
>> also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use additional pads
>> through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7 cymbal, plus a few
>> specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads out of Remo practice pads,
>> old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've been surprisingly long lived.
>>
>> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to the
>> Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the DDrum4, plus
>> other useful extra features, at about the same price point. Doesn't look
>> as well built, though.
>>
>> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when we'll
>> see it.
>>
>> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
>> overpriced.
>>
>> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I like my
>> DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted on standard
>> hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>>
>> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto an
>> acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it wouldn't
>> have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or maybe someone
>> has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a general purpose
>> sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD for your actual sound
>> library.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> John wrote:
>>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to get a
>>> new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great variety of drum
>>> sounds but it has no windows program to configure the midi parts of it
>>> and I have to use an external sound module (my motif keyboard) for the
>>> sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors fail every 2 years. I've
>>> had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they want $200 for a new film pad.
>>>
>>> So...........
>>>
>>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
>>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>>
>>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library and be
>>> able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily switch drum
>>> sets. I want to be able to easily configure the pan/volumes of each
>>> drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can this be done? Easily?
>>> This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> John
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66875 is a reply to message #66874] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 05:11 |
John [1]
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I really want to use a computer for drum sounds. Doesn't anyone make
drum module whose memory can be expanded to hold two dozen drum sets and
configed through a nice midi graphical interface to set relative
pan/volume positions? This is 2006 right?
Don Nafe wrote:
> I think the hihat is the weakest link in all E-kits...as for playability -
> you can buy actual hihat pads that work with your existing pedal but the
> sounds still suck.
>
> As for several kits...unless you're happy with the existing sounds in a
> module you're gonna have to go with a soft synth like
>
>
> Don
>
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44422b32@linux...
>> thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound libraries?
>> Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the box using exactly
>> the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to allow me to easily
>> assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume positions easily. I
>> played a roland at guitar center and thought the sounds were hip hop
>> oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
>>
>> And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
>>
>> Thanks !!
>>
>> Jamie K wrote:
>>> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
>>> years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads which
>>> they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the kit used on
>>> ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh heads which I prefer
>>> to the standard drum heads, but you can use either with those pads. This
>>> setup offers positional sensing.
>>>
>>> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive and
>>> convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the time I chose
>>> it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific Chameleon kit
>>> (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try with DDrum triggers.
>>> Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger kit.
>>>
>>> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger Native
>>> Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets (you can
>>> also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use additional pads
>>> through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7 cymbal, plus a few
>>> specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads out of Remo practice pads,
>>> old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've been surprisingly long lived.
>>>
>>> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to the
>>> Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the DDrum4, plus
>>> other useful extra features, at about the same price point. Doesn't look
>>> as well built, though.
>>>
>>> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when we'll
>>> see it.
>>>
>>> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
>>> overpriced.
>>>
>>> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I like my
>>> DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted on standard
>>> hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>>>
>>> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto an
>>> acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it wouldn't
>>> have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or maybe someone
>>> has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a general purpose
>>> sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD for your actual sound
>>> library.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> John wrote:
>>>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to get a
>>>> new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great variety of drum
>>>> sounds but it has no windows program to configure the midi parts of it
>>>> and I have to use an external sound module (my motif keyboard) for the
>>>> sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors fail every 2 years. I've
>>>> had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they want $200 for a new film pad.
>>>>
>>>> So...........
>>>>
>>>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
>>>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>>>
>>>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library and be
>>>> able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily switch drum
>>>> sets. I want to be able to easily configure the pan/volumes of each
>>>> drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can this be done? Easily?
>>>> This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> John
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66876 is a reply to message #66875] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 05:20 |
Don Nafe
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not with user loaded samples...although the AKAI MPC 2000 / 3000 might be
able to do this or the ddrum 4 module...you'd have to check out the specs to
be sure.
I think the module you buy will be nothing more than an interface between
the pads and the computer and all your drum kits would be loaded in the
computer
Although I may have my head totally up my ass I think this is today's
reality
Don
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4442332d@linux...
>I really want to use a computer for drum sounds. Doesn't anyone make drum
>module whose memory can be expanded to hold two dozen drum sets and
>configed through a nice midi graphical interface to set relative pan/volume
>positions? This is 2006 right?
>
> Don Nafe wrote:
>> I think the hihat is the weakest link in all E-kits...as for
>> playability - you can buy actual hihat pads that work with your existing
>> pedal but the sounds still suck.
>>
>> As for several kits...unless you're happy with the existing sounds in a
>> module you're gonna have to go with a soft synth like
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44422b32@linux...
>>> thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound
>>> libraries? Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the box
>>> using exactly the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to allow me
>>> to easily assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume positions
>>> easily. I played a roland at guitar center and thought the sounds were
>>> hip hop oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
>>>
>>> And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
>>>
>>> Thanks !!
>>>
>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
>>>> years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads
>>>> which they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the kit
>>>> used on ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh heads
>>>> which I prefer to the standard drum heads, but you can use either with
>>>> those pads. This setup offers positional sensing.
>>>>
>>>> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive and
>>>> convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the time I
>>>> chose it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific Chameleon
>>>> kit (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try with DDrum
>>>> triggers. Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger kit.
>>>>
>>>> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger
>>>> Native Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets
>>>> (you can also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use
>>>> additional pads through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7
>>>> cymbal, plus a few specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads out
>>>> of Remo practice pads, old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've been
>>>> surprisingly long lived.
>>>>
>>>> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to the
>>>> Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the DDrum4,
>>>> plus other useful extra features, at about the same price point.
>>>> Doesn't look as well built, though.
>>>>
>>>> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when we'll
>>>> see it.
>>>>
>>>> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
>>>> overpriced.
>>>>
>>>> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I like
>>>> my DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted on
>>>> standard hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>>>>
>>>> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto an
>>>> acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it wouldn't
>>>> have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or maybe
>>>> someone has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a general
>>>> purpose sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD for your
>>>> actual sound library.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John wrote:
>>>>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to get
>>>>> a new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great variety of
>>>>> drum sounds but it has no windows program to configure the midi parts
>>>>> of it and I have to use an external sound module (my motif keyboard)
>>>>> for the sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors fail every 2
>>>>> years. I've had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they want $200 for
>>>>> a new film pad.
>>>>>
>>>>> So...........
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
>>>>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library and
>>>>> be able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily switch
>>>>> drum sets. I want to be able to easily configure the pan/volumes of
>>>>> each drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can this be done?
>>>>> Easily? This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> John
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66907 is a reply to message #66875] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 11:58 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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Alesis DmPro has an 8 MB expansion for your own samples.
AA
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4442332d@linux...
>I really want to use a computer for drum sounds. Doesn't anyone make drum
>module whose memory can be expanded to hold two dozen drum sets and
>configed through a nice midi graphical interface to set relative pan/volume
>positions? This is 2006 right?
>
> Don Nafe wrote:
>> I think the hihat is the weakest link in all E-kits...as for
>> playability - you can buy actual hihat pads that work with your existing
>> pedal but the sounds still suck.
>>
>> As for several kits...unless you're happy with the existing sounds in a
>> module you're gonna have to go with a soft synth like
>>
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44422b32@linux...
>>> thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound
>>> libraries? Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the box
>>> using exactly the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to allow me
>>> to easily assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume positions
>>> easily. I played a roland at guitar center and thought the sounds were
>>> hip hop oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
>>>
>>> And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
>>>
>>> Thanks !!
>>>
>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
>>>> years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads
>>>> which they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the kit
>>>> used on ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh heads
>>>> which I prefer to the standard drum heads, but you can use either with
>>>> those pads. This setup offers positional sensing.
>>>>
>>>> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive and
>>>> convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the time I
>>>> chose it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific Chameleon
>>>> kit (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try with DDrum
>>>> triggers. Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger kit.
>>>>
>>>> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger
>>>> Native Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets
>>>> (you can also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use
>>>> additional pads through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7
>>>> cymbal, plus a few specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads out
>>>> of Remo practice pads, old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've been
>>>> surprisingly long lived.
>>>>
>>>> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to the
>>>> Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the DDrum4,
>>>> plus other useful extra features, at about the same price point.
>>>> Doesn't look as well built, though.
>>>>
>>>> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when we'll
>>>> see it.
>>>>
>>>> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
>>>> overpriced.
>>>>
>>>> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I like
>>>> my DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted on
>>>> standard hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>>>>
>>>> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto an
>>>> acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it wouldn't
>>>> have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or maybe
>>>> someone has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a general
>>>> purpose sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD for your
>>>> actual sound library.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John wrote:
>>>>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to get
>>>>> a new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great variety of
>>>>> drum sounds but it has no windows program to configure the midi parts
>>>>> of it and I have to use an external sound module (my motif keyboard)
>>>>> for the sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors fail every 2
>>>>> years. I've had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they want $200 for
>>>>> a new film pad.
>>>>>
>>>>> So...........
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
>>>>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library and
>>>>> be able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily switch
>>>>> drum sets. I want to be able to easily configure the pan/volumes of
>>>>> each drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can this be done?
>>>>> Easily? This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> John
>>
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66908 is a reply to message #66907] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 12:10 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Sounds like enough for one kick drum!!!!
n Allen wrote:
> Alesis DmPro has an 8 MB expansion for your own samples.
> AA
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4442332d@linux...
>> I really want to use a computer for drum sounds. Doesn't anyone make drum
>> module whose memory can be expanded to hold two dozen drum sets and
>> configed through a nice midi graphical interface to set relative pan/volume
>> positions? This is 2006 right?
>>
>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>> I think the hihat is the weakest link in all E-kits...as for
>>> playability - you can buy actual hihat pads that work with your existing
>>> pedal but the sounds still suck.
>>>
>>> As for several kits...unless you're happy with the existing sounds in a
>>> module you're gonna have to go with a soft synth like
>>>
>>>
>>> Don
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44422b32@linux...
>>>> thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound
>>>> libraries? Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the box
>>>> using exactly the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to allow me
>>>> to easily assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume positions
>>>> easily. I played a roland at guitar center and thought the sounds were
>>>> hip hop oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
>>>>
>>>> And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks !!
>>>>
>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
>>>>> years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads
>>>>> which they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the kit
>>>>> used on ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh heads
>>>>> which I prefer to the standard drum heads, but you can use either with
>>>>> those pads. This setup offers positional sensing.
>>>>>
>>>>> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive and
>>>>> convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the time I
>>>>> chose it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific Chameleon
>>>>> kit (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try with DDrum
>>>>> triggers. Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger kit.
>>>>>
>>>>> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger
>>>>> Native Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets
>>>>> (you can also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use
>>>>> additional pads through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7
>>>>> cymbal, plus a few specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads out
>>>>> of Remo practice pads, old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've been
>>>>> surprisingly long lived.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to the
>>>>> Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the DDrum4,
>>>>> plus other useful extra features, at about the same price point.
>>>>> Doesn't look as well built, though.
>>>>>
>>>>> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when we'll
>>>>> see it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
>>>>> overpriced.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I like
>>>>> my DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted on
>>>>> standard hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto an
>>>>> acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it wouldn't
>>>>> have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or maybe
>>>>> someone has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a general
>>>>> purpose sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD for your
>>>>> actual sound library.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> John wrote:
>>>>>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to get
>>>>>> a new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great variety of
>>>>>> drum sounds but it has no windows program to configure the midi parts
>>>>>> of it and I have to use an external sound module (my motif keyboard)
>>>>>> for the sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors fail every 2
>>>>>> years. I've had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they want $200 for
>>>>>> a new film pad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So...........
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
>>>>>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library and
>>>>>> be able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily switch
>>>>>> drum sets. I want to be able to easily configure the pan/volumes of
>>>>>> each drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can this be done?
>>>>>> Easily? This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> John
>
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66910 is a reply to message #66908] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 12:12 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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You shoulda been around for the Mirage... everything on a 1.44 floppy. Boy,
that was fun :P
AA
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44429562@linux...
> Sounds like enough for one kick drum!!!!
>
> n Allen wrote:
>> Alesis DmPro has an 8 MB expansion for your own samples.
>> AA
>>
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4442332d@linux...
>>> I really want to use a computer for drum sounds. Doesn't anyone make
>>> drum module whose memory can be expanded to hold two dozen drum sets and
>>> configed through a nice midi graphical interface to set relative
>>> pan/volume positions? This is 2006 right?
>>>
>>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>>> I think the hihat is the weakest link in all E-kits...as for
>>>> playability - you can buy actual hihat pads that work with your
>>>> existing pedal but the sounds still suck.
>>>>
>>>> As for several kits...unless you're happy with the existing sounds in a
>>>> module you're gonna have to go with a soft synth like
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44422b32@linux...
>>>>> thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound
>>>>> libraries? Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the box
>>>>> using exactly the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to allow
>>>>> me to easily assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume
>>>>> positions easily. I played a roland at guitar center and thought the
>>>>> sounds were hip hop oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
>>>>>
>>>>> And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks !!
>>>>>
>>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>>> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
>>>>>> years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads
>>>>>> which they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the
>>>>>> kit used on ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh
>>>>>> heads which I prefer to the standard drum heads, but you can use
>>>>>> either with those pads. This setup offers positional sensing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive
>>>>>> and convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the time
>>>>>> I chose it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific
>>>>>> Chameleon kit (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try
>>>>>> with DDrum triggers. Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger
>>>>>> kit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger
>>>>>> Native Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets
>>>>>> (you can also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use
>>>>>> additional pads through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7
>>>>>> cymbal, plus a few specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads out
>>>>>> of Remo practice pads, old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've been
>>>>>> surprisingly long lived.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to the
>>>>>> Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the DDrum4,
>>>>>> plus other useful extra features, at about the same price point.
>>>>>> Doesn't look as well built, though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when
>>>>>> we'll see it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
>>>>>> overpriced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I
>>>>>> like my DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted on
>>>>>> standard hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto
>>>>>> an acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it
>>>>>> wouldn't have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or
>>>>>> maybe someone has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a
>>>>>> general purpose sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD
>>>>>> for your actual sound library.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John wrote:
>>>>>>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to
>>>>>>> get a new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great
>>>>>>> variety of drum sounds but it has no windows program to configure
>>>>>>> the midi parts of it and I have to use an external sound module (my
>>>>>>> motif keyboard) for the sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors
>>>>>>> fail every 2 years. I've had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they
>>>>>>> want $200 for a new film pad.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So...........
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
>>>>>>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library
>>>>>>> and be able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily
>>>>>>> switch drum sets. I want to be able to easily configure the
>>>>>>> pan/volumes of each drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can
>>>>>>> this be done? Easily? This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> John
>>
>>
>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66912 is a reply to message #66873] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 12:23 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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Battery 2 lets you build drum kits in a straight forward multi-cell
interface. Each cell can contain multiple samples layered by velocity.
Each cell has its own level and pan.
You can combine cells into round robin groups to, for example, alternate
left and right hit sample sets as you play. You can combine cells for
multi-micing, so you have a cell for top snare, one for bottom snare,
one for OH snare, etc., all assigned to the same MIDI note to trigger
together.
You can save and load cells. You can save and load entire kits. Make as
many as you want. It does take a few seconds to load a big kit off the HD.
B2 can load any .wav sample, maybe some other formats. It comes with a
multi-miced kit and some other kits. You can add your own samples,
either purchased sample sets or drums recorded by you.
It is limited only by hard drive space and some reasonable minimum
amount of RAM.
So yes, right now I think Battery 2 comes the closest to doing what you
are asking. It's the closest I've seen to what I want in a DDrum 5. It
also has some other tricks like built-in compression and EQ on a per
cell basis, and the ability to modulate things (wav delay by velocity,
for example, to cut off the initial attack on softer hits).
HiHats are a matter of tuning a controller range to switch between
sample sets for closed, half open, open. In my setup, the DDrum hat pad
sends a controller signal for how "open" it is, and I've programmed
Battery 2 to respond by switching sample sets appropriately. The more
intermediate sample sets you have, the more realistic it can be. Battery
lets you group samples so that you can cut off all high hat sustain with
the hat foot. It works fairly well.
It may be that the latest Rolands and the new Yamaha, or maybe even the
newer Alesis boxes have a more controllable physical interface for that.
The DDrum range jumps rather quickly so playing half open to open is a
very narrow foot move, not quit realistic but not unusable. The DDrum
does have positonal sensing on the hat so if I were ambitious I could
record my acoustic hihats played on edge and near the center, record
those as multi-samples (by velocity) and assign them in B2 to different
MIDI notes coming off the DDrum hihat controller.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
John wrote:
> thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound
> libraries? Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the box
> using exactly the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to allow me
> to easily assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume positions
> easily. I played a roland at guitar center and thought the sounds were
> hip hop oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
>
> And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
>
> Thanks !!
>
> Jamie K wrote:
>>
>> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
>> years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads
>> which they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the kit
>> used on ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh heads
>> which I prefer to the standard drum heads, but you can use either with
>> those pads. This setup offers positional sensing.
>>
>> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive and
>> convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the time I
>> chose it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific Chameleon
>> kit (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try with DDrum
>> triggers. Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger kit.
>>
>> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger
>> Native Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets
>> (you can also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use
>> additional pads through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7
>> cymbal, plus a few specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads out
>> of Remo practice pads, old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've been
>> surprisingly long lived.
>>
>> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to the
>> Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the DDrum4,
>> plus other useful extra features, at about the same price point.
>> Doesn't look as well built, though.
>>
>> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when
>> we'll see it.
>>
>> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
>> overpriced.
>>
>> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I like
>> my DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted on
>> standard hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>>
>> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto
>> an acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it
>> wouldn't have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or
>> maybe someone has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a
>> general purpose sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD
>> for your actual sound library.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> John wrote:
>>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to get
>>> a new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great variety of
>>> drum sounds but it has no windows program to configure the midi parts
>>> of it and I have to use an external sound module (my motif keyboard)
>>> for the sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors fail every 2
>>> years. I've had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they want $200 for
>>> a new film pad.
>>>
>>> So...........
>>>
>>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
>>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>>
>>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library and
>>> be able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily switch
>>> drum sets. I want to be able to easily configure the pan/volumes of
>>> each drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can this be done?
>>> Easily? This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>> John
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66916 is a reply to message #66910] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 14:15 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Senior Member |
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WOW, that must have been impossible
Aaron Allen wrote:
> You shoulda been around for the Mirage... everything on a 1.44 floppy. Boy,
> that was fun :P
>
> AA
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44429562@linux...
>> Sounds like enough for one kick drum!!!!
>>
>> n Allen wrote:
>>> Alesis DmPro has an 8 MB expansion for your own samples.
>>> AA
>>>
>>>
>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4442332d@linux...
>>>> I really want to use a computer for drum sounds. Doesn't anyone make
>>>> drum module whose memory can be expanded to hold two dozen drum sets and
>>>> configed through a nice midi graphical interface to set relative
>>>> pan/volume positions? This is 2006 right?
>>>>
>>>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>> I think the hihat is the weakest link in all E-kits...as for
>>>>> playability - you can buy actual hihat pads that work with your
>>>>> existing pedal but the sounds still suck.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for several kits...unless you're happy with the existing sounds in a
>>>>> module you're gonna have to go with a soft synth like
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44422b32@linux...
>>>>>> thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound
>>>>>> libraries? Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the box
>>>>>> using exactly the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to allow
>>>>>> me to easily assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume
>>>>>> positions easily. I played a roland at guitar center and thought the
>>>>>> sounds were hip hop oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks !!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>>>> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
>>>>>>> years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads
>>>>>>> which they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the
>>>>>>> kit used on ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh
>>>>>>> heads which I prefer to the standard drum heads, but you can use
>>>>>>> either with those pads. This setup offers positional sensing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive
>>>>>>> and convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the time
>>>>>>> I chose it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific
>>>>>>> Chameleon kit (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try
>>>>>>> with DDrum triggers. Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger
>>>>>>> kit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger
>>>>>>> Native Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets
>>>>>>> (you can also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use
>>>>>>> additional pads through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7
>>>>>>> cymbal, plus a few specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads out
>>>>>>> of Remo practice pads, old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've been
>>>>>>> surprisingly long lived.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to the
>>>>>>> Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the DDrum4,
>>>>>>> plus other useful extra features, at about the same price point.
>>>>>>> Doesn't look as well built, though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when
>>>>>>> we'll see it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
>>>>>>> overpriced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I
>>>>>>> like my DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted on
>>>>>>> standard hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto
>>>>>>> an acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it
>>>>>>> wouldn't have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or
>>>>>>> maybe someone has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a
>>>>>>> general purpose sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD
>>>>>>> for your actual sound library.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> John wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to
>>>>>>>> get a new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great
>>>>>>>> variety of drum sounds but it has no windows program to configure
>>>>>>>> the midi parts of it and I have to use an external sound module (my
>>>>>>>> motif keyboard) for the sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors
>>>>>>>> fail every 2 years. I've had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they
>>>>>>>> want $200 for a new film pad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So...........
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
>>>>>>>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library
>>>>>>>> and be able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily
>>>>>>>> switch drum sets. I want to be able to easily configure the
>>>>>>>> pan/volumes of each drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can
>>>>>>>> this be done? Easily? This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> John
>>>
>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66917 is a reply to message #66912] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 14:23 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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Thanks for the info. Can Battery 2 run on my Paris rig and feed sound
from the app (that it gets from midi in from drum set?) to my onboard
sound card out to a Paris In on the MEC ? What could go wrong? hahahahaha
How best to set this thing up in a Paris world if I go that way?
Thanks,
John
Jamie K wrote:
>
> Battery 2 lets you build drum kits in a straight forward multi-cell
> interface. Each cell can contain multiple samples layered by velocity.
> Each cell has its own level and pan.
>
> You can combine cells into round robin groups to, for example, alternate
> left and right hit sample sets as you play. You can combine cells for
> multi-micing, so you have a cell for top snare, one for bottom snare,
> one for OH snare, etc., all assigned to the same MIDI note to trigger
> together.
>
> You can save and load cells. You can save and load entire kits. Make as
> many as you want. It does take a few seconds to load a big kit off the HD.
>
> B2 can load any .wav sample, maybe some other formats. It comes with a
> multi-miced kit and some other kits. You can add your own samples,
> either purchased sample sets or drums recorded by you.
>
> It is limited only by hard drive space and some reasonable minimum
> amount of RAM.
>
> So yes, right now I think Battery 2 comes the closest to doing what you
> are asking. It's the closest I've seen to what I want in a DDrum 5. It
> also has some other tricks like built-in compression and EQ on a per
> cell basis, and the ability to modulate things (wav delay by velocity,
> for example, to cut off the initial attack on softer hits).
>
> HiHats are a matter of tuning a controller range to switch between
> sample sets for closed, half open, open. In my setup, the DDrum hat pad
> sends a controller signal for how "open" it is, and I've programmed
> Battery 2 to respond by switching sample sets appropriately. The more
> intermediate sample sets you have, the more realistic it can be. Battery
> lets you group samples so that you can cut off all high hat sustain with
> the hat foot. It works fairly well.
>
> It may be that the latest Rolands and the new Yamaha, or maybe even the
> newer Alesis boxes have a more controllable physical interface for that.
> The DDrum range jumps rather quickly so playing half open to open is a
> very narrow foot move, not quit realistic but not unusable. The DDrum
> does have positonal sensing on the hat so if I were ambitious I could
> record my acoustic hihats played on edge and near the center, record
> those as multi-samples (by velocity) and assign them in B2 to different
> MIDI notes coming off the DDrum hihat controller.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> John wrote:
>> thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound
>> libraries? Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the
>> box using exactly the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to
>> allow me to easily assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume
>> positions easily. I played a roland at guitar center and thought the
>> sounds were hip hop oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
>>
>> And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
>>
>> Thanks !!
>>
>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>
>>> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
>>> years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads
>>> which they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the
>>> kit used on ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh
>>> heads which I prefer to the standard drum heads, but you can use
>>> either with those pads. This setup offers positional sensing.
>>>
>>> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive
>>> and convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the time
>>> I chose it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific
>>> Chameleon kit (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try
>>> with DDrum triggers. Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger kit.
>>>
>>> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger
>>> Native Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets
>>> (you can also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use
>>> additional pads through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7
>>> cymbal, plus a few specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads out
>>> of Remo practice pads, old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've been
>>> surprisingly long lived.
>>>
>>> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to the
>>> Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the DDrum4,
>>> plus other useful extra features, at about the same price point.
>>> Doesn't look as well built, though.
>>>
>>> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when
>>> we'll see it.
>>>
>>> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
>>> overpriced.
>>>
>>> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I
>>> like my DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted on
>>> standard hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>>>
>>> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto
>>> an acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it
>>> wouldn't have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or
>>> maybe someone has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a
>>> general purpose sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD
>>> for your actual sound library.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> John wrote:
>>>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to
>>>> get a new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great
>>>> variety of drum sounds but it has no windows program to configure
>>>> the midi parts of it and I have to use an external sound module (my
>>>> motif keyboard) for the sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors
>>>> fail every 2 years. I've had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they
>>>> want $200 for a new film pad.
>>>>
>>>> So...........
>>>>
>>>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
>>>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>>>
>>>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library
>>>> and be able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily
>>>> switch drum sets. I want to be able to easily configure the
>>>> pan/volumes of each drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can
>>>> this be done? Easily? This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> John
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66918 is a reply to message #66912] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 14:35 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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And it says it supports 16 outputs so what $ound card would you have to
use for that?
Jamie K wrote:
>
> Battery 2 lets you build drum kits in a straight forward multi-cell
> interface. Each cell can contain multiple samples layered by velocity.
> Each cell has its own level and pan.
>
> You can combine cells into round robin groups to, for example, alternate
> left and right hit sample sets as you play. You can combine cells for
> multi-micing, so you have a cell for top snare, one for bottom snare,
> one for OH snare, etc., all assigned to the same MIDI note to trigger
> together.
>
> You can save and load cells. You can save and load entire kits. Make as
> many as you want. It does take a few seconds to load a big kit off the HD.
>
> B2 can load any .wav sample, maybe some other formats. It comes with a
> multi-miced kit and some other kits. You can add your own samples,
> either purchased sample sets or drums recorded by you.
>
> It is limited only by hard drive space and some reasonable minimum
> amount of RAM.
>
> So yes, right now I think Battery 2 comes the closest to doing what you
> are asking. It's the closest I've seen to what I want in a DDrum 5. It
> also has some other tricks like built-in compression and EQ on a per
> cell basis, and the ability to modulate things (wav delay by velocity,
> for example, to cut off the initial attack on softer hits).
>
> HiHats are a matter of tuning a controller range to switch between
> sample sets for closed, half open, open. In my setup, the DDrum hat pad
> sends a controller signal for how "open" it is, and I've programmed
> Battery 2 to respond by switching sample sets appropriately. The more
> intermediate sample sets you have, the more realistic it can be. Battery
> lets you group samples so that you can cut off all high hat sustain with
> the hat foot. It works fairly well.
>
> It may be that the latest Rolands and the new Yamaha, or maybe even the
> newer Alesis boxes have a more controllable physical interface for that.
> The DDrum range jumps rather quickly so playing half open to open is a
> very narrow foot move, not quit realistic but not unusable. The DDrum
> does have positonal sensing on the hat so if I were ambitious I could
> record my acoustic hihats played on edge and near the center, record
> those as multi-samples (by velocity) and assign them in B2 to different
> MIDI notes coming off the DDrum hihat controller.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
> Cheers,
> -Jamie
> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>
>
> John wrote:
>> thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound
>> libraries? Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the
>> box using exactly the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to
>> allow me to easily assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume
>> positions easily. I played a roland at guitar center and thought the
>> sounds were hip hop oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
>>
>> And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
>>
>> Thanks !!
>>
>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>
>>> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
>>> years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads
>>> which they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the
>>> kit used on ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh
>>> heads which I prefer to the standard drum heads, but you can use
>>> either with those pads. This setup offers positional sensing.
>>>
>>> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive
>>> and convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the time
>>> I chose it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific
>>> Chameleon kit (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try
>>> with DDrum triggers. Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger kit.
>>>
>>> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger
>>> Native Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets
>>> (you can also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use
>>> additional pads through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7
>>> cymbal, plus a few specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads out
>>> of Remo practice pads, old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've been
>>> surprisingly long lived.
>>>
>>> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to the
>>> Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the DDrum4,
>>> plus other useful extra features, at about the same price point.
>>> Doesn't look as well built, though.
>>>
>>> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when
>>> we'll see it.
>>>
>>> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
>>> overpriced.
>>>
>>> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I
>>> like my DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted on
>>> standard hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>>>
>>> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto
>>> an acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it
>>> wouldn't have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or
>>> maybe someone has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a
>>> general purpose sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD
>>> for your actual sound library.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -Jamie
>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>
>>>
>>> John wrote:
>>>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to
>>>> get a new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great
>>>> variety of drum sounds but it has no windows program to configure
>>>> the midi parts of it and I have to use an external sound module (my
>>>> motif keyboard) for the sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors
>>>> fail every 2 years. I've had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they
>>>> want $200 for a new film pad.
>>>>
>>>> So...........
>>>>
>>>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
>>>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>>>
>>>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library
>>>> and be able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily
>>>> switch drum sets. I want to be able to easily configure the
>>>> pan/volumes of each drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can
>>>> this be done? Easily? This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> John
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66921 is a reply to message #66916] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 15:56 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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You learn to truncate and sample reaaal fast and clean. It's good for ya.
Besides, most percussive drum samples don't take up that much space in the
time continuum.
AA
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4442b2c8@linux...
> WOW, that must have been impossible
>
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> You shoulda been around for the Mirage... everything on a 1.44 floppy.
>> Boy, that was fun :P
>>
>> AA
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44429562@linux...
>>> Sounds like enough for one kick drum!!!!
>>>
>>> n Allen wrote:
>>>> Alesis DmPro has an 8 MB expansion for your own samples.
>>>> AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4442332d@linux...
>>>>> I really want to use a computer for drum sounds. Doesn't anyone make
>>>>> drum module whose memory can be expanded to hold two dozen drum sets
>>>>> and configed through a nice midi graphical interface to set relative
>>>>> pan/volume positions? This is 2006 right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don Nafe wrote:
>>>>>> I think the hihat is the weakest link in all E-kits...as for
>>>>>> playability - you can buy actual hihat pads that work with your
>>>>>> existing pedal but the sounds still suck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for several kits...unless you're happy with the existing sounds in
>>>>>> a module you're gonna have to go with a soft synth like
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:44422b32@linux...
>>>>>>> thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound
>>>>>>> libraries? Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the
>>>>>>> box using exactly the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to
>>>>>>> allow me to easily assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume
>>>>>>> positions easily. I played a roland at guitar center and thought
>>>>>>> the sounds were hip hop oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks !!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>>>>> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating
>>>>>>>> for years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision
>>>>>>>> pads which they don't make anymore but you can find that version of
>>>>>>>> the kit used on ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting
>>>>>>>> mesh heads which I prefer to the standard drum heads, but you can
>>>>>>>> use either with those pads. This setup offers positional sensing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive
>>>>>>>> and convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the
>>>>>>>> time I chose it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific
>>>>>>>> Chameleon kit (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try
>>>>>>>> with DDrum triggers. Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger
>>>>>>>> kit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger
>>>>>>>> Native Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets
>>>>>>>> (you can also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use
>>>>>>>> additional pads through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7
>>>>>>>> cymbal, plus a few specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads
>>>>>>>> out of Remo practice pads, old mouse pads and piezo pickups,
>>>>>>>> they've been surprisingly long lived.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to
>>>>>>>> the Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the
>>>>>>>> DDrum4, plus other useful extra features, at about the same price
>>>>>>>> point. Doesn't look as well built, though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when
>>>>>>>> we'll see it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
>>>>>>>> overpriced.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I
>>>>>>>> like my DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted
>>>>>>>> on standard hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers
>>>>>>>> onto an acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI
>>>>>>>> (it wouldn't have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or
>>>>>>>> Roland, or maybe someone has done it in software); and then use
>>>>>>>> Battery 2, a general purpose sampler or one of the preset drum
>>>>>>>> romplers like BFD for your actual sound library.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> -Jamie
>>>>>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> John wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to
>>>>>>>>> get a new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great
>>>>>>>>> variety of drum sounds but it has no windows program to configure
>>>>>>>>> the midi parts of it and I have to use an external sound module
>>>>>>>>> (my motif keyboard) for the sounds. To make matters worse, the
>>>>>>>>> sensors fail every 2 years. I've had it for 7 years. So every 2
>>>>>>>>> years they want $200 for a new film pad.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So...........
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is
>>>>>>>>> reliable?
>>>>>>>>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library
>>>>>>>>> and be able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily
>>>>>>>>> switch drum sets. I want to be able to easily configure the
>>>>>>>>> pan/volumes of each drum in the set through a windows midi app.
>>>>>>>>> Can this be done? Easily? This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>
>>>> I choose Polesoft Lockspam to fight spam, and you?
>>>> http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66922 is a reply to message #66918] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 15:57 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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a fast one :)
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:4442b774@linux...
> And it says it supports 16 outputs so what $ound card would you have to
> use for that?
>
> Jamie K wrote:
>>
>> Battery 2 lets you build drum kits in a straight forward multi-cell
>> interface. Each cell can contain multiple samples layered by velocity.
>> Each cell has its own level and pan.
>>
>> You can combine cells into round robin groups to, for example, alternate
>> left and right hit sample sets as you play. You can combine cells for
>> multi-micing, so you have a cell for top snare, one for bottom snare, one
>> for OH snare, etc., all assigned to the same MIDI note to trigger
>> together.
>>
>> You can save and load cells. You can save and load entire kits. Make as
>> many as you want. It does take a few seconds to load a big kit off the
>> HD.
>>
>> B2 can load any .wav sample, maybe some other formats. It comes with a
>> multi-miced kit and some other kits. You can add your own samples, either
>> purchased sample sets or drums recorded by you.
>>
>> It is limited only by hard drive space and some reasonable minimum amount
>> of RAM.
>>
>> So yes, right now I think Battery 2 comes the closest to doing what you
>> are asking. It's the closest I've seen to what I want in a DDrum 5. It
>> also has some other tricks like built-in compression and EQ on a per cell
>> basis, and the ability to modulate things (wav delay by velocity, for
>> example, to cut off the initial attack on softer hits).
>>
>> HiHats are a matter of tuning a controller range to switch between sample
>> sets for closed, half open, open. In my setup, the DDrum hat pad sends a
>> controller signal for how "open" it is, and I've programmed Battery 2 to
>> respond by switching sample sets appropriately. The more intermediate
>> sample sets you have, the more realistic it can be. Battery lets you
>> group samples so that you can cut off all high hat sustain with the hat
>> foot. It works fairly well.
>>
>> It may be that the latest Rolands and the new Yamaha, or maybe even the
>> newer Alesis boxes have a more controllable physical interface for that.
>> The DDrum range jumps rather quickly so playing half open to open is a
>> very narrow foot move, not quit realistic but not unusable. The DDrum
>> does have positonal sensing on the hat so if I were ambitious I could
>> record my acoustic hihats played on edge and near the center, record
>> those as multi-samples (by velocity) and assign them in B2 to different
>> MIDI notes coming off the DDrum hihat controller.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> John wrote:
>>> thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound
>>> libraries? Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the box
>>> using exactly the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to allow me
>>> to easily assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume positions
>>> easily. I played a roland at guitar center and thought the sounds were
>>> hip hop oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
>>>
>>> And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
>>>
>>> Thanks !!
>>>
>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
>>>> years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads
>>>> which they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the kit
>>>> used on ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh heads
>>>> which I prefer to the standard drum heads, but you can use either with
>>>> those pads. This setup offers positional sensing.
>>>>
>>>> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive and
>>>> convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the time I
>>>> chose it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific Chameleon
>>>> kit (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try with DDrum
>>>> triggers. Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger kit.
>>>>
>>>> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger
>>>> Native Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets
>>>> (you can also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use
>>>> additional pads through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7
>>>> cymbal, plus a few specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads out
>>>> of Remo practice pads, old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've been
>>>> surprisingly long lived.
>>>>
>>>> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to the
>>>> Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the DDrum4,
>>>> plus other useful extra features, at about the same price point.
>>>> Doesn't look as well built, though.
>>>>
>>>> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when we'll
>>>> see it.
>>>>
>>>> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
>>>> overpriced.
>>>>
>>>> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I like
>>>> my DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted on
>>>> standard hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>>>>
>>>> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto an
>>>> acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it wouldn't
>>>> have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or maybe
>>>> someone has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a general
>>>> purpose sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD for your
>>>> actual sound library.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John wrote:
>>>>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to get
>>>>> a new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great variety of
>>>>> drum sounds but it has no windows program to configure the midi parts
>>>>> of it and I have to use an external sound module (my motif keyboard)
>>>>> for the sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors fail every 2
>>>>> years. I've had it for 7 years. So every 2 years they want $200 for
>>>>> a new film pad.
>>>>>
>>>>> So...........
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
>>>>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library and
>>>>> be able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily switch
>>>>> drum sets. I want to be able to easily configure the pan/volumes of
>>>>> each drum in the set through a windows midi app. Can this be done?
>>>>> Easily? This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> John
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| Re: Any good Electronic Drum setups? [message #66925 is a reply to message #66917] |
Sun, 16 April 2006 16:21 |
Jamie K
Messages: 1115
Registered: July 2006
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I never had any luck with MIDI within PARIS. Wouldn't advise that.
Beyond that I'll have to defer to someone else's recommendations for
integration and sound card. I no longer have a PARIS system.
I run Battery 2 in Logic on a dual G5 Mac. Multi-out routing and
individual drum FX are all handled within Logic.
Battery does suffer from Logic's most famous bug, that of randomly
forgetting to play instrument plugins. When that happens I have to
restart the program. :^(
Other than that it's a very workable setup that does everything:
sequencing, FX, recording, and mixing within one app (plus integrated AU
plug-ins) all on a single computer, without breaking a sweat. I
currently use a trusty MOTU 828MII for i/o and monitoring. Mixes are all
done digitally inside Logic.
Cheers,
-Jamie
http://www.JamieKrutz.com
John wrote:
>And it says it supports 16 outputs so what $ound card would you have
to >use for that?
John wrote:
> Thanks for the info. Can Battery 2 run on my Paris rig and feed sound
> from the app (that it gets from midi in from drum set?) to my onboard
> sound card out to a Paris In on the MEC ? What could go wrong?
> hahahahaha
>
> How best to set this thing up in a Paris world if I go that way?
>
> Thanks,
> John
>
> Jamie K wrote:
>>
>> Battery 2 lets you build drum kits in a straight forward multi-cell
>> interface. Each cell can contain multiple samples layered by velocity.
>> Each cell has its own level and pan.
>>
>> You can combine cells into round robin groups to, for example,
>> alternate left and right hit sample sets as you play. You can combine
>> cells for multi-micing, so you have a cell for top snare, one for
>> bottom snare, one for OH snare, etc., all assigned to the same MIDI
>> note to trigger together.
>>
>> You can save and load cells. You can save and load entire kits. Make
>> as many as you want. It does take a few seconds to load a big kit off
>> the HD.
>>
>> B2 can load any .wav sample, maybe some other formats. It comes with a
>> multi-miced kit and some other kits. You can add your own samples,
>> either purchased sample sets or drums recorded by you.
>>
>> It is limited only by hard drive space and some reasonable minimum
>> amount of RAM.
>>
>> So yes, right now I think Battery 2 comes the closest to doing what
>> you are asking. It's the closest I've seen to what I want in a DDrum
>> 5. It also has some other tricks like built-in compression and EQ on a
>> per cell basis, and the ability to modulate things (wav delay by
>> velocity, for example, to cut off the initial attack on softer hits).
>>
>> HiHats are a matter of tuning a controller range to switch between
>> sample sets for closed, half open, open. In my setup, the DDrum hat
>> pad sends a controller signal for how "open" it is, and I've
>> programmed Battery 2 to respond by switching sample sets
>> appropriately. The more intermediate sample sets you have, the more
>> realistic it can be. Battery lets you group samples so that you can
>> cut off all high hat sustain with the hat foot. It works fairly well.
>>
>> It may be that the latest Rolands and the new Yamaha, or maybe even
>> the newer Alesis boxes have a more controllable physical interface for
>> that. The DDrum range jumps rather quickly so playing half open to
>> open is a very narrow foot move, not quit realistic but not unusable.
>> The DDrum does have positonal sensing on the hat so if I were
>> ambitious I could record my acoustic hihats played on edge and near
>> the center, record those as multi-samples (by velocity) and assign
>> them in B2 to different MIDI notes coming off the DDrum hihat controller.
>>
>> Hope that helps.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jamie
>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>
>>
>> John wrote:
>>> thanks for the info. Are any of them able to expand the sound
>>> libraries? Realistically I'd like about 20 drum sets stored in the
>>> box using exactly the drum samples I supply. Of course it needs to
>>> allow me to easily assign the samples to each pad and set pan/volume
>>> positions easily. I played a roland at guitar center and thought the
>>> sounds were hip hop oriented and sucked for rock/jazz.
>>>
>>> And do any of them have a highhat that works right?
>>>
>>> Thanks !!
>>>
>>> Jamie K wrote:
>>>>
>>>> For electronic drums: My DDrum 4 kit has taken a serious beating for
>>>> years without complaints or failure. I have the cast precision pads
>>>> which they don't make anymore but you can find that version of the
>>>> kit used on ebay. I've replaced the heads with long lasting mesh
>>>> heads which I prefer to the standard drum heads, but you can use
>>>> either with those pads. This setup offers positional sensing.
>>>>
>>>> For live I use the internal sounds which are reasonably responsive
>>>> and convincing. It was the most convincing electronic set at the
>>>> time I chose it. Still one of the best. I recently got a DW/Pacific
>>>> Chameleon kit (mesh on one side, regular head on the other) to try
>>>> with DDrum triggers. Can use it as an acoustic kit or as a trigger kit.
>>>>
>>>> For recording I sometimes use DDrum samples but more often trigger
>>>> Native Intruments' Battery 2 via MIDI to control bigger sample sets
>>>> (you can also sample your own sounds for Battery 2). I also use
>>>> additional pads through an Alesis D4 so I can trigger my 6 tom, 7
>>>> cymbal, plus a few specials, mondo kit. I built my own extra pads
>>>> out of Remo practice pads, old mouse pads and piezo pickups, they've
>>>> been surprisingly long lived.
>>>>
>>>> If I were buying a new electronic kit I'd give serious thought to
>>>> the Yamaha DTXtremeIIS since it has more trigger inputs than the
>>>> DDrum4, plus other useful extra features, at about the same price
>>>> point. Doesn't look as well built, though.
>>>>
>>>> A DDrum5 is said to be under development but who knows if or when
>>>> we'll see it.
>>>>
>>>> The Roland TD20 is an improvement over their previous efforts but
>>>> overpriced.
>>>>
>>>> The Trap Kat always seemed like a cool unit to me. Compact. But I
>>>> like my DDrum kit's layout. I ditched the rack and have it mounted
>>>> on standard hardware, plays like a regular kit.
>>>>
>>>> Another option: You could build your own pads or throw triggers onto
>>>> an acoustic kit; use whatever you want to get trigger-to-MIDI (it
>>>> wouldn't have to sound good internally, an old Alesis or Roland, or
>>>> maybe someone has done it in software); and then use Battery 2, a
>>>> general purpose sampler or one of the preset drum romplers like BFD
>>>> for your actual sound library.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> -Jamie
>>>> http://www.JamieKrutz.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> John wrote:
>>>>> I have a Trap Kat drum electronic drum set and think it's time to
>>>>> get a new set. This one has 24 pads which allows for a great
>>>>> variety of drum sounds but it has no windows program to configure
>>>>> the midi parts of it and I have to use an external sound module (my
>>>>> motif keyboard) for the sounds. To make matters worse, the sensors
>>>>> fail every 2 years. I've had it for 7 years. So every 2 years
>>>>> they want $200 for a new film pad.
>>>>>
>>>>> So...........
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there an electronic drum set with lots of pads that is reliable?
>>>>> Is there a windows midi interface program for it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideally I want to have a couple thousand drum sounds in a library
>>>>> and be able to EASILY build drum sets based on them, then easily
>>>>> switch drum sets. I want to be able to easily configure the
>>>>> pan/volumes of each drum in the set through a windows midi app.
>>>>> Can this be done? Easily? This is 2006 for crying out loud.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> John
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