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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #59972 is a reply to message #59965] |
Mon, 07 November 2005 15:17   |
EK Sound
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spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
news:436fe1bc$1@linux...
> Ditto... Nuendo is a better choice.
>
> David.
>
> Martin Harrington wrote:
>
> > Yukkk,
> > Don't do it..PT I mean.
> > I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and I
> > have to say...I don't like it.
> > The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
> > Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
in
> > PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
the
> > Session 8 days, but not much else.
> > And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no,
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #59978 is a reply to message #59970] |
Mon, 07 November 2005 15:40 |
jef knight[1]
Messages: 201
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r />
>>> jef
>>
>>Sorry Dave, I haven't been well most of the year and I'm not thinking
clearly.
I haven't even tried to sync Paris adat to my Nuendo system via
Hammerfall9652. I don't have the energy to do two things at once anymore
so I have to wait untill this project is done before I can mess around
with that, which I don't think will be all that tough now that I'm
getting more familliar with Nuendo settings.
So, the problem is, the adat card is installed, the Nuendo (sync slave)
comp is turned off - not needed. I'm attempting to record 2 tracks but
there's no audio getting past the mec. If I yank the adat the audio
reappears. I don't yet have any plans to use the lightpipe on it.
I just attempted your suggestion but nothing showed up in the main
patchbay to connect to/from.
EK Sound wrote:
> Sync??? OK, need more info... What OS are you using and what are you
> trying to sync??
>
> David.
>
> jef knight wrote:
>
>> Does the adat card have to be set up for audio, even if I'm using it
>> just for sync?
>>
>> EK Sound wrote:
>>
>>> Have you loaded it into the patchbay properly? You have to actually
>>> drag the adat module into the "MEC Modules" config window. Double
>>> click on the "MEC Modules A" (assuming only one MEC) and you will
>>> open the selection window. This window has four "slots"... two for
>>> input, and two for output. Drag the adat card from the right to the
>>> desired position on the left. Then go back to the main patchbay
>>> window and connect the "Module inputs" to the desired mixer input
>>> channels. This is detailed on Page 34 of the Paris Pro Refernce Manual.
>>>
>>> Let me know if you have any further issues. If you do, give me a
>>> call at 403-291-9112 9 to 5 MST.
>>>
>>> David.
>>>
>>> jef knight wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey David,
>>>>
>>>> I'm still having trouble with my adat card. The manual wasn't much
>>>> help (or maybe I read it badly).
>>>>
>>>> When it's installed, set to 48khz, I'm still getting no audio. The
>>>> mec is getting signal but not the mixer.
>>>>
>>>> Could you please give me a hand at what settings I might be
>>>> overlooking?
>>>>
>>>> jef
>>>
>>>
>>>OK, what has happened is that the adat card has replaced your 8 in
card in the first configuration slot. You need to press "B" to open
up the patchbay. Next, drag the "MEC Modules A" object from the list
at the top right into the patchbay window. Next double click on the
object "MEC Modules A". This will open the configuration window. You
will see two rows of I/O blocks... I am assuming the top two will say
something like EDS-ADI-01. Drag these into the column at the right.
Then drag the A8it module back into the top left slot. Unfortunately,
Paris defaults to the aday module all the time, so you will have to
open this window every so often to reconfigure.
David.
jef knight wrote:
> Sorry Dave, I haven't been well most of the year and I'm not thinking
> clearly.
>
> I haven't even tried to sync Paris adat to my Nuendo system via
> Hammerfall9652. I don't have the energy to do two things at once anymore
> so I have to wait untill this project is done before I can mess around
> with that, which I don't think will be all that tough now that I'm
> getting more familliar with Nuendo settings.
> So, the problem is, the adat card is installed, the Nuendo (sync slave)
> comp is turned off - not needed. I'm attempting to record 2 tracks but
> there's no audio getting past the mec. If I yank the adat the audio
> reappears. I don't yet have any plans to use the lightpipe on it.
>
> I just attempted your suggestion but nothing showed up in the main
> patchbay to connect to/from.
>
>
>
>
> EK Sound wrote:
>
>> Sync??? OK, need more info... What OS are you using and what are you
>> trying to sync??
>>
>> David.
>>
>> jef knight wrote:
>>
>>> Does the adat card have to be set up for audio, even if I'm using it
>>> just for sync?
>>>
>>> EK Sound wrote:
>>>
>>>> Have you loaded it into the patchbay properly? You have to actually
>>>> drag the adat module into the "MEC Modules" config window. Double
>>>> click on the "MEC Modules A" (assuming only one MEC) and you will
>>>> open the selection window. This window has four "slots"... two for
>>>> input, and two for output. Drag the adat card from the right to the
>>>> desired position on the left. Then go back to the main patchbay
>>>> window and connect the "Module inputs" to the desired mixer input
>>>> channels. This is detailed on Page 34 of the Paris Pro Refernce Manual.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you have any further issues. If you do, give me a
>>>> call at 403-291-9112 9 to 5 MST.
>>>>
>>>> David.
>>>>
>>>> jef knight wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey David,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still having trouble with my adat card. The manual wasn't much
>>>>> help (or maybe I read it badly).
>>>>>
>>>>> When it's installed, set to 48khz, I'm still getting no audio. The
>>>>> mec is getting signal but not the mixer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you please give me a hand at what settings I might be
>>>>> overlooking?
>>>>>
>>>>> jef
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>99.9 percent of potential DAW owners are drinking that kool-aid.
They don't even have a grid of understanding even want anything else. PT
is all over the mags...it's got the exposure. Most people havn't even heard
anything else.
Listen to Martin...Don't go there. I am involved wit
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #59983 is a reply to message #59967] |
Mon, 07 November 2005 17:37 |
Rod Lincoln
Messages: 883
Registered: September 2005
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t;
>Reboot.
>
>Go to your Paris.exe file in your EMU folder and launch Paris from that.
Set
>your project sync source to Word Clock with whatever sample rate you prefer.
>
>Save this project to your EMU folder as defaultproject.ppj. You can create
a
>shortcut to this project on your desktop.
>
>Now launch Paris from this shortcut and see if your 2nd MEC locks up.
>
>As for syncing to Cubase......I do it with a Paris ADAT module. You can
run
>a sync cable from the Paris ADAT module to the ADAT sync input of the
>Digiface, set your RME control panel and Cubase SX and you're good to go.
>
>
>
>"David" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message news:436c29ee$1@linux...
>>
>> I can tell, this is obviously a question that DJ will probably know the
>answer
>> to quick...
>>
>> I'm still having issues with my Paris system routing audio from my AD
>cards
>> into the mixer on Submix 2....This is a pain in the ass..meanwhile i have
>> to work, so...
>>
>> I can use the first 16 tracks just fine on my Paris rig, and i'm having
to
>> record the last 8 tracks to my Cubase/RME/Digimax LT setup. I WC
>everything
>> together with mr Ben and i just hit record and get all 24 tracks...the
>last
>> two times i've done this i've sent the snare track to both setups so I
can
>> lock them together when mixing. I really don't know if this is going to
>give
>> me good results or not, but it almost doesn't matter, the last 6-8 tracks
>> are room (I do live recordings, 1-16 are the stage, 17-24 are the room,
>etc)
>>
>> My question is, can i lock these together somehow? is SMPTE my answer?
or
>> should I just fukkin fix the paris rig and shut up about it.
>>
>> It is curious to me though, i'd like to kn
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #60005 is a reply to message #59974] |
Mon, 07 November 2005 23:59 |
erlilo
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>>
>>I demo'ed it & bought it, and I must say, it can behave in a
>>VERY Distressor-like fashion... I don't necessarily think
>>that's what he was going for, but on certain settings (and I
>>will be happy to send any of you a saved preset file as an
>>example if you want to demo it), it can sound EXACTLY like a
>>Distressor - at least on Vocals.
>>
>>And it's only $59.95, too!
>>
>>Neil
>
>As well as the Delta 1010, I also have the 2 channel version of the Emu
card, the 0404.
I can't speak highly enough of it.
I assume the 1820 is all that and more, plus higher sample rate, (I think).
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43706393@linux...
> Take a look at EMU 1820M too, with build in DSP-effects, as in Paris. It
> have ADAT in/outs too and is working like a charm for my use in the
> learning curve with Cubase SX3. Havn't tryed syncing it with Paris yet but
> it comes with an extra wordclock card so I think it would be no problems.
> Here you can find a manual to see what it can do:
> http://www.emu.com/support/files/download2.asp?Centric=759&a mp;Platform=1
>
> Erling
>
> "Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> skrev i melding
> news:437040aa$1@linux...
>>
>> Ok,So I've just been doing the PARIS thing until now.I'm ready to
>> check out SX now maybe syncing to PARIS maybe not.
>>
>> I'm a little confused as to what hardware to look at.I see the
>> H
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #60013 is a reply to message #59978] |
Tue, 08 November 2005 04:37 |
Sandy Tipping
Messages: 54
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if I'm using
>>>> it just for sync?
>>>>
>>>> EK Sound wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Have you loaded it into the patchbay properly? You have to
>>>>> actually drag the adat module into the "MEC Modules" config
>>>>> window. Double click on the "MEC Modules A" (assuming only one
>>>>> MEC) and you will open the selection window. This window has four
>>>>> "slots"... two for input, and two for output. Drag the adat card
>>>>> from the right to the desired position on the left. Then go back
>>>>> to the main patchbay window and connect the "Module inputs" to the
>>>>> desired mixer input channels. This is detailed on Page 34 of the
>>>>> Paris Pro Refernce Manual.
>>>>>
>>>>> Let me know if you have any further issues. If you do, give me a
>>>>> call at 403-291-9112 9 to 5 MST.
>>>>>
>>>>> David.
>>>>>
>>>>> jef knight wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey David,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm still having trouble with my adat card. The manual wasn't
>>>>>> much help (or maybe I read it badly).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When it's installed, set to 48khz, I'm still getting no audio.
>>>>>> The mec is getting signal but not the mixer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you please give me a hand at what settings I might be
>>>>>> overlooking?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> jef
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I also have a Delta 1010 and it's not to bad. I think that a nice i/o
box on the front of an HDSP9652 would work well.
Martin Harrington wrote:
>As well as the Delta 1010, I also have the 2 channel version of the Emu
>card, the 0404.
>I can't speak highly enough of it.
>I assume the 1820 is all that and more, plus higher sample rate, (I think).
>
>
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Thanks Aaron. (You guys are really great!) I did find a Fast5E cable =
at Wal-mart (the primary store/hangout here in Redneckville), a Belkin =
brand. Now if I can just find that demo project for Paris beginners. . =
.. .
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:43704147@linux...
If you've got a credit card, just have it delivered. I'll track down =
the right part for you.......... and...
Here you go:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681211 7412
This is a generic branded CAT5e cable in 25 foot length - you may want =
something shorter, I don't know your situation but holla back if you do.
Stay clear of anything marked CROSSOVER as Deej said, it'll fry =
components and get expensive quick.=20
AA
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:436ffa74@linux...
Cool! Very nice website! I bet you guys have a lot of fun! I =
train and race Thoroughbreds in OK/TX/AR area. =20
Anyway, to try and stay OT, thanks again for the information and I =
do have the 68 pin SCSI cable. (The only cable I got with Paris was a =
clock cable, and I also got one diskette - Wavelab Lite). Edna =20
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:436fe113$1@linux...
A horse farm????? Oh dear!!!!! ........................
http://www.graphicresultsofdurango.com/index.html
Notice that once you enter the link to the recording studio, my =
wife still manages to bring horses into the conversation.
Is there a 12 step program for this?
;o)
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:436fbab3@linux...
Thanks much. I live in the sticks on a horse farm, so will go =
to the big city (about 19 miles) to get one. I'm not sure what a =
"crossover cable" is (multi-purpose?), but I will avoid anything with =
that name. I have a SCSI cable I will use with the MEC - anything =
special here?
Edna
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:436fb716$1@linux...
Edna,
This is a standard CAT5 LAN cable, not a telephone cable. =
Also, make sure you do ****NOT**** use a crossover cable........I =
repeat........... do ****NOT**** use a crossover =
cable.......errrrr.....and make sure that whatever you do, ****NOT**** =
use a crossover cable. Using a crossover cable *will* fry your =
MEC..........no kiddin'. It's one of the wonderful little omissions in =
the Paris manual.
;Do
Deej
Here's a link to cables:
=
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=3Dlist& amp;SubCategory=3D=
132&CMP=3DKNC-GoogleAdwords&ATT=3DCables
Or if you live in a city like most people, you can buy these =
at Office Depot/Best Buy, etc. I always have to order my stuff online =
because I live in a cave in the wilderness.
;o)
"Edna Sloan" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:436fb3fd@linux...
Hi, is the C-16 cable just an ordinary telephone cable? =
Wired the same? Also, anyone know where I might obtain the sample =
project disk?
Many thanks,
Edna
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #60019 is a reply to message #60013] |
Tue, 08 November 2005 07:38 |
jef knight[1]
Messages: 201
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Pete
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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>Ok,So I've just been doing the PARIS thing until now.I'm ready to
>check out SX now maybe syncing to PARIS maybe not.
>
> I'm a little confused as to what hardware to look at.I see the
>HDSP 9652 is popular and I can see how that would work between
>PARIS-SX.What if I just wanted to record into SX?What would I be
>looking at hardware wise from mic pre to SX?
>
> I apologize if this is a very basic question,but my brain is
>fried right now and I don't want to have to think.
>
>TIA,
>Pete
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Thanks Rod, you're right about "the error exists between the chair and
the keyboard"....lol
I'm not too well and haven't much enery some days, yet much to do, so I
sometimes get frazzled and forget things.
Actually, I'm a THE manual reader guy in my circle...but I haven't
brought them back into the studio yet after the reno....outa sight outa
mind I guess....lol
I also think you're correct about Nuendo being a good choice. I use it
now for midi and such but I think it's time I made it work a bit harder,
which I've deigned from doing with the current, mid-grade, comp.
The new comps arrived this week and they should make life with audio a
bit smoother - a pair of quad xeon 2.8's we 4g of ram, scsi 360 host
drives and a fiber channel array.
My comp guru wants to run Paris under Win2003 server. That'll probably
work, huh?
jef
Rod Lincoln wrote:
>99.9 percent of potential DAW owners are drinking that kool-aid.
>They don't even have a grid of understanding even want anything else. PT
>is all over the mags...it's got the exposure. Most people havn't even heard
>anything else.
>Listen to Martin...Don't go there. I am involved with PT and PTHD at least
>a couple times a week.(at other studio's, as a sideman) I've heard it. Not
>that great. I have to keep my mouth shut a lot.
>I suspect (from reading your posts) that your problems are operator error,
>and a little more study of the manual my help.
>If you do decide to jump ship though....do your self a favor and go the Nuendo,
>or Cubase SX3 route.
>just my 2 cents.
>rod
>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>
>
>>lol...thanks Martin....
>>I guess I'm just a tad frustrated with my system. Did a nice overhaul
>>recently so now I have to learn too much too fast and some of it is like
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>crawling over broken glass to get happening.
>>The guys I deal with down at Saved By Technology are constantly
>>genuflecting droolingly over PT which has kind of hyp-mo-tized me....
>>
>>
>>
>>Martin Harrington wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Yukkk,
>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
>>>
>>>
>I
>
>
>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>>>
>>>
>in
>
>
>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>>>
>>>
>the
>
>
>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>>>
>>>
>full
>
>
>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled), it
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Thanks Rod, you're right about "the error exists between the chair and
the keyboard"....lol<br>
<br>
I'm not too well and haven't much enery some days, yet much to do, so I
sometimes get frazzled and forget things. <br>
Actually, I'm a THE manual reader guy in my circle...but I haven't
brought them back into the studio yet after the reno....outa sight outa
mind I guess....lol<br>
<br>
I also think you're correct about Nuendo being a good choice. I use it
now for midi and such but I think it's time I made it work a bit
harder, which I've deigned from doing with the current, mid-grade,
comp.<br>
The new comps arrived this week and they should make life with audio a
bit smoother - a pair of quad xeon 2.8's we 4g of ram, scsi 360 host
drives and a fiber channel array.<br>
<br>
My comp guru wants to run Paris under Win2003 server. That'll probably
work, huh?<br>
<br>
jef<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Rod Lincoln wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="mid436ff352$1@linux" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">99.9 percent of potential DAW owners are drinking that kool-aid.
They don't even have a grid of understanding even want anything else. PT
is all over the mags...it's got the exposure. Most people havn't even heard
anything else.
Listen to Martin...Don't go there. I am involved with PT and PTHD at least
a couple times a week.(at other studio's, as a sideman) I've heard it. Not
that great. I have to keep my mouth shut a lot.
I suspect (from reading your posts) that your problems are operator error,
and a little more study of the manual my help.
If you do decide to jump ship though....do your self a favor and go the Nuendo,
or Cubase SX3 route.
just my 2 cents.
rod
jef knight <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com"><thestudio@allknightmusic.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">lol...thanks Martin....
I guess I'm just a tad frustrated with my system. Did a nice overhaul
recently so now I have to learn too much too fast and some of it is like
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">crawling over broken glass to get happening.
The guys I deal with down at Saved By Technology are constantly
genuflecting droolingly over PT which has kind of hyp-mo-tized me....
Martin Harrington wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Yukkk,
Don't do it..PT I mean.
I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
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<pre wrap="">have to say...I don't like it.
The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
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<pre wrap="">PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
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<pre wrap="">Session 8 days, but not much else.
And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the<
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #60022 is a reply to message #59983] |
Tue, 08 November 2005 08:25 |
jef knight[1]
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Do you ever make it up to the Fairgrounds in Tulsa?=20
AA
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:4370c37f@linux...
So sorry to hear of your wife's back! I have heard the Lippezan and =
Thoroughbred don't cross well. "hot" or high-strung horses can have =
chemical imbalances. This happens a lot with race horses due to their =
breeding. 1-1/2 ccs of fluphenazine shot under the skin every 3 weeks =
can calm them down. I worked with Lippezans when I went to Prof Berry's =
School of Horsemanship in Pittsburg some years ago. They were difficult =
to train as they were somewhat stubborn. But few horses can do what =
they can do. I have had a number of breeds: Mustang, QH, Paint, =
Andalusian, etc. Their personalities vary much like people's, and =
attitudes are very much shaped by the way they were raised. I've been =
around them all my life and, fortunately, have never been really injured =
by them, although I have been thrown pretty hard years ago when I used =
to rodeo (broncs and bulls). I have used "imprinting" in some of my =
newborn foals with good success. I have also had to retrain a number of =
problem horses which does require much patience. The "naturally' best =
dispositioned horses I have had were the Impressive line of QH. =20
A dirt farm. . .hmmm. Whereabouts in OK? I'm in OK about half a =
mile from lake Texoma at the OK/TX border.
=20
Thanks again for cable info,
Edna
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:43701dca@linux...
We bought Punkin off an Oklahoma dirt lot. He's a long legged 1/2 =
quarterhorse/TB and a real sweetheart. We've also got a Lippezan/TB =
here. He's pretty hot. Flipped and broke my wife's back about a year and =
a half ago. I never can get comfortable around thoroughbreds, but I =
guess that's true of any horse. I've been beat up pretty good by a few =
horses. Goes with the territory I guess.
Our Percheron/paint mare is a 1500 lb *lap horse* and loves to have =
her belly scratched. If she could climb up in your lap, she would.
Sounds like you've got the cable thing sussed.=20
Good luck.
;o)
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:436ffa74@linux...
Cool! Very nice website! I bet you guys have a lot of fun! I =
train and race Thoroughbreds in OK/TX/AR area. =20
Anyway, to try and stay OT, thanks again for the information and I =
do have the 68 pin SCSI cable. (The only cable I got with Paris was a =
clock cable, and I also got one diskette - Wavelab Lite). Edna =20
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:436fe113$1@linux...
A horse farm????? Oh dear!!!!! ........................
http://www.graphicresultsofdurango.com/index.html
Notice that once you enter the link to the recording studio, my =
wife still manages to bring horses into the conversation.
Is there a 12 step program for this?
;o)
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:436fbab3@linux...
Thanks much. I live in the sticks on a horse farm, so will go =
to the big city (about 19 miles) to get one. I'm not sure what a =
"crossover cable" is (multi-purpose?), but I will avoid anything with =
that name. I have a SCSI cable I will use with the MEC - anything =
special here?
Edna
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:436fb716$1@linux...
Edna,
This is a standard CAT5 LAN cable, not a telephone cable. =
Also, make sure you do ****NOT**** use a crossover cable........I =
repeat........... do ****NOT**** use a crossover =
cable.......errrrr.....and make sure that whatever you do, ****NOT**** =
use a crossover cable. Using a crossover cable *will* fry your =
MEC..........no kiddin'. It's one of the wonderful little omissions in =
the Paris manual.
;Do
Deej
Here's a link to cables:
=
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=3Dlist& amp;SubCategory=3D=
132&CMP=3DKNC-GoogleAdwords&ATT=3DCables
Or if you live in a city like most people, you can buy these =
at Office Depot/Best Buy, etc. I always have to order my stuff online =
because I live in a cave in the wilderness.
;o)
"Edna Sloan" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:436fb3fd@linux...
Hi, is the C-16 cable just an ordinary telephone cable? =
Wired the same? Also, anyone know where I might obtain the sample =
project disk?
Many thanks,
Edna
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back! I=20
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or=20
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lot with=20
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shot under=20
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Lippezans when=20
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ago. They were difficult to train as they were somewhat=20
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had a=20
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shaped by=20
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fortunately, have never been really injured by them, although I have =
been=20
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bulls). I=20
have used "imprinting" in some of my newborn foals with good =
success. I=20
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had=20
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..=20
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lake=20
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Tue, 08 November 2005 09:31 |
Mike Audet
Messages: 294
Registered: December 2008
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cards_W0QQitemZ7" target="_blank"> http://cgi.ebay.com/Mytek-8x96-Converters-ADC-DAC-with-ADAT- cards_W0QQitemZ7
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Hook them up to your Paris ADAT I/O and you will be making me extremely
jealous.
;op
"Pete" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:4370cc22$1@linux...
>
> SO if I wanted to be able to record up to 16 or 24 tracks into
> SX I guess then I would start looking at the various high end
> A to D boxes to work with a PCI card,is that right?
>
> Pete
>
> "Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >Ok,So I've just been doing the PARIS thing until now.I'm ready to
> >check out SX now maybe syncing to PARIS maybe not.
> >
> > I'm a little confused as to what hardware to look at.I see the
> >HDSP 9652 is popular and I can see how that would work between
> >PARIS-SX.What if I just wanted to record into SX?What would I be
> >looking at hardware wise from mic pre to SX?
> >
> > I apologize if this is a very basic question,but my brain is
> >fried right now and I don't want to have to think.
> >
> >TIA,
> >Pete
> >
>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
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I've got both of them here.......the one from 1997 and the one form =
2000. My e-mail is animix@animas.net. Shoot me a PM with your address =
and I'll burn you copies of these and send them to you.
I don't remember the name of the place where we got Punkin. A friend of =
ours named Drew Horn had a friend named George who's health was failing. =
George lived somewhere close to Tulsa. George was a trainer and had =
three paints that he couldn't afford to keep any more. We had Punkin =
delivered and Drew fopund homes for the other two. Best $500.00 I ever =
spent on a horse...........come to think of it..........the only time =
I've ever paid $500.00 for a horse.=20
As for the Lippezan/TB, after the blowup and after Amy's back started to =
heal, he started boot camp and he's now an amazing horse. Amy's a good =
trainer. We just got a call from a family that wants to buy him for =
their daughter for a show horse.......either hunter jumper or dressage. =
He could go either way. He's 5 years old. We bought him when he was 1 =
year old and we've had him here since the was three. If we get a good =
price for him, I might actually make enough back to pay for his room, =
board and vetting.
;o)
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:4370ae6e@linux...
Thanks Aaron. (You guys are really great!) I did find a Fast5E =
cable at Wal-mart (the primary store/hangout here in Redneckville), a =
Belkin brand. Now if I can just find that demo project for Paris =
beginners. . . .
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:43704147@linux...
If you've got a credit card, just have it delivered. I'll track down =
the right part for you.......... and...
Here you go:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681211 7412
This is a generic branded CAT5e cable in 25 foot length - you may =
want something shorter, I don't know your situation but holla back if =
you do.
Stay clear of anything marked CROSSOVER as Deej said, it'll fry =
components and get expensive quick.=20
AA
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:436ffa74@linux...
Cool! Very nice website! I bet you guys have a lot of fun! I =
train and race Thoroughbreds in OK/TX/AR area. =20
Anyway, to try and stay OT, thanks again for the information and I =
do have the 68 pin SCSI cable. (The only cable I got with Paris was a =
clock cable, and I also got one diskette - Wavelab Lite). Edna =20
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:436fe113$1@linux...
A horse farm????? Oh dear!!!!! ........................
http://www.graphicresultsofdurango.com/index.html
Notice that once you enter the link to the recording studio, my =
wife still manages to bring horses into the conversation.
Is there a 12 step program for this?
;o)
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:436fbab3@linux...
Thanks much. I live in the sticks on a horse farm, so will go =
to the big city (about 19 miles) to get one. I'm not sure what a =
"crossover cable" is (multi-purpose?), but I will avoid anything with =
that name. I have a SCSI cable I will use with the MEC - anything =
special here?
Edna
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:436fb716$1@linux...
Edna,
This is a standard CAT5 LAN cable, not a telephone cable. =
Also, make sure you do ****NOT**** use a crossover cable........I =
repeat........... do ****NOT**** use a crossover =
cable.......errrrr.....and make sure that whatever you do, ****NOT**** =
use a crossover cable. Using a crossover cable *will* fry your =
MEC..........no kiddin'. It's one of the wonderful little omissions in =
the Paris manual.
;Do
Deej
Here's a link to cables:
=
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=3Dlist& amp;SubCategory=3D=
132&CMP=3DKNC-GoogleAdwords&ATT=3DCables
Or if you live in a city like most people, you can buy these =
at Office Depot/Best Buy, etc. I always have to order my stuff online =
because I live in a cave in the wilderness.
;o)
"Edna Sloan" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:Report message to a moderator
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Tue, 08 November 2005 11:55 |
Sandy Tipping
Messages: 54
Registered: June 2007
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board was running XP
The Asus board is currently running both XP and ME, using a removable system
drive. This is my normal Paris computer. I usually run it with XP. I use
ME to sync to Adats (not very often these days) or syncing to smpte with
a opcode 2portSE.
Rod
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>
>Thanks for shared info...
>Was these setups XP ?
>Regards,
>Dimitrios
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>sorry you're having problems with this. For me it just worked.
>>I also tested the magma with a Gigabyte K8ns ultra 939 board with an AMD64
>>3500+ cpu (2 gig of samsung ram) and it was VERY stable also. This was
>a
>>cubase rig I was building for a friend, but I tested Paris in it for future
>>upgrade possibilities befor I gave it to him ;-)
>>Rod
>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>
>>>Thanks Rod,
>>>I will keep that combi in mind.
>>>I gett only noise with some sound syncopated and finally making Paris
look
>>>like it is gonna freeze any time soon.
>>>I tried this with several pci slots ( the magma pci card) inside my motherboard.
>>>Only slot 1 was powering PC and slot 5 which shares IRQ anyway.
>>>My motherboard is Asus P4B-E (raid not engaged) and Intel P4 2.6 ghz.
>>>3 x 512 MB Kingston Valueram and Magma 7 pci chassis expansion.
>>>Inside expansion though UAD1 and powercore (before I sold this) plus a
>lan
>>>card work ok.
>>>I would like though to make a very stable system with eds card inside
Magma.
>>>Any suggestions with Intel based system ?
>>>Or maybe be able to use these SDRAM 133 Kingston memory sticks ?
>>>Regards,
>>>Dimitrios
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>OH yea...it's a 13 slot magma.
>>>>rod
>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@kc.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Dimitrois...with a Magma, I was under the impression that it was a no
>>brainer,
>>>>>no matter what you used. But here is my set up, if it helps. I have
zero
>>>>>hassles with this and it was incrediably easy to set up.
>>>>>
>>>>>Asus A7S333 Mobo
>>>>>Athlon XP 2400 CPU
>>>>>1024 of Crucial Ram
>>>>>I run both XP and ME systems, using a removable system drive.
>>>>>Magma works equaly well with both, although the irq's change depending
>>>on
>>>>>which system I use.
>>>>>I have 7 eds cards and 2 UAD cards in the Magma, and a Lynx one card
>in
>>>>the
>>>>>computer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>I would like to know, if possible, your exact working PC that uses
magma
>>>>>>chassis with multiple eds cards inside chassis.
>>>>>>What motherboard, cpu memory type, XP or Me ,etc.
>>>>>>thank you
>>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>>Dimitrios
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>Erling.......that may or may not work to allow the syncing of the clock
signal between the two systems. I have heard that the EMU card does not
output standard ADAT sync and is somewhat unreliable for clocking due to
this. I heard this on the RME user's forum though, so it could be FUD.
However, if you desire to sync the timelines of the two systems so that the
system running the EMU card will slave to the Paris transport, you will need
to use either MTC or SMPTE between the two DAWs because the EMU card doesn
no have the capability to attach a 9 pin serial cable from the Paris ADAT
sync output.
Regards,
Deej
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:4370ea9e$1@linux...
> Doug, I don't know more than what it's standing in the manual about ADAT
> since I havn't tested anything about it. So here it comes:
>
> "The ADAT optical connectors transmit and receive 8 channels of 24-bit
audio
> using the
> ADAT type 1 & 2 formats (at 44.1kHz or 48kHz). The word clock contained in
> the input data
> stream can be used as a word clock source. The ADAT optical ports can also
> be switched to
> carry optical S/PDIF.
> ADAT can also be transmitted and received at 96kHz or 192kHz using the
S/MUX
> standard
> which encodes the extra data onto multiple channels."
>
> Erling
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> skrev i melding
> news:4370d490@linux...
> > Erling,
> >
> > If you are syncing this to Paris you will be needing to use midi time
> > code.
> > The EMU interfaces do not have a 9 pin ADAT sync input port.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Deej
> >
> > "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43706393@linux...
> >> Take a look at EMU 1820M too, with build in DSP-effects, as in Paris.
It
> >> have ADAT in/outs too and is working like a charm for my use in the
> > learning
> >> curve with Cubase SX3. Havn't tryed syncing it with Paris yet but it
> >> comes
> >> with an extra wordclock card so I think it would be no problems.
> >> Here you can find a manual to see what it can do:
> >> http://www.emu.com/support/files/download2.asp?Centric=759&a mp;Platform=1
> >>
> >> Erling
> >>
> >> "Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> skrev i melding
> >> news:437040aa$1@linux...
> >> >
> >> > Ok,So I've just been doing the PARIS thing until now.I'm ready to
> >> > check out SX now maybe syncing to PARIS maybe not.
> >> >
> >> > I'm a little confused as to what hardware to look at.I see the
> >> > HDSP 9652 is popular and I can see how that would work between
> >> > PARIS-SX.What if I just wanted to record into SX?What would I be
> >> > looking at hardware wise from mic pre to SX?
> >> >
> >> > I apologize if this is a very basic question,but my brain is
> >> > fried right now and I don't want to have to think.
> >> >
> >> > TIA,
> >> > Pete
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>Dimitrios,
I'm running paris a stock Gateway E4100. Info is as follows:
P4 3.0Ghz
512 MB PC3200 RAM
Windows XP
Magma 7 slot
3 EDS cards in the magma. 1 IDE card and a hard drive as well.
It's been pretty much trouble free since I put it into service 6 months
ago.
JH
Dimitrios wrote:
> Hi,
> I would like to know, if possible, your exact working PC that uses magma
> chassis with multiple eds cards inside chassis.
> What motherboard, cpu memory type, XP or Me ,etc.
> thank you
> Regards,
> DimitriosHi Dimitrios,
Intel D865PERL MB
P4 2.6HT chip (HT disabled)
Win XP-sp1
1GB DDR400 Kingston VS Ram
13 Slot Magma w/5 EDS cards.
Works great.
David.
Dimitrios wrote:
> Hi,
> I would like to know, if possible, your exact working PC that uses magma
> chassis with multiple eds cards inside chassis.
> What motherboard, cpu memory type, XP or Me ,etc.
> thank you
> Regards,
> DimitriosI live in Orangeville and am downtown quite a bit. Also have been to
Little Britain. I think Jef you and I traded emails a few years back? There
is another active Paris user in Cambridge, David (can't remember his last
name).
: )
SBT pushes out the "We are the Champions" attitude for sure. But it's as
much a
function of needing to sell what they carry as anything else, Hmmm, that's
profound.
N
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Tue, 08 November 2005 15:53 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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Senior Member |
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ould definitely check
>>>this thing out:
>>>
>>>http://www.voxengo.com/product/voxformer/
>>>
>>>I demo'ed it & bought it, and I must say, it can behave in a
>>>VERY Distressor-like fashion... I don't necessarily think
>>>that's what he was going for, but on certain settings (and I
>>>will be happy to send any of you a saved preset file as an
>>>example if you want to demo it), it can sound EXACTLY like a
>>>Distressor - at least on Vocals.
>>>
>>>And it's only $59.95, too!
>>>
>>>Neil
>>
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AA, the racetrack in Sallisaw is about as far North as I go these days.
John, no, I don't have an ftp site (just horse sales), but thanks.=20
DJ, I am glad to hear your wife's back is healed/healing (and she still =
likes horses). I did PM you with my address and thank you very much. I =
will be running Paris 2.2 version to start with, so whatever is best. =
My reference manual is version 1.80, 1998.=20
PS I noticed in one of the posts a reference to a "distressor." I am =
not familiar with this item and am wondering what it is/does? Some kind =
of exciter? Harmonic enhancer?
Edna
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:4370d8d8@linux...
I've got both of them here.......the one from 1997 and the one form =
2000. My e-mail is animix@animas.net. Shoot me a PM with your address =
and I'll burn you copies of these and send them to you.
I don't remember the name of the place where we got Punkin. A friend =
of ours named Drew Horn had a friend named George who's health was =
failing. George lived somewhere close to Tulsa. George was a trainer and =
had three paints that he couldn't afford to keep any more. We had Punkin =
delivered and Drew fopund homes for the other two. Best $500.00 I ever =
spent on a horse...........come to think of it..........the only time =
I've ever paid $500.00 for a horse.=20
As for the Lippezan/TB, after the blowup and after Amy's back started =
to heal, he started boot camp and he's now an amazing horse. Amy's a =
good trainer. We just got a call from a family that wants to buy him for =
their daughter for a show horse.......either hunter jumper or dressage. =
He could go either way. He's 5 years old. We bought him when he was 1 =
year old and we've had him here since the was three. If we get a good =
price for him, I might actually make enough back to pay for his room, =
board and vetting.
;o)
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:4370ae6e@linux...
Thanks Aaron. (You guys are really great!) I did find a Fast5E =
cable at Wal-mart (the primary store/hangout here in Redneckville), a =
Belkin brand. Now if I can just find that demo project for Paris =
beginners. . . .
"Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message =
news:43704147@linux...
If you've got a credit card, just have it delivered. I'll track =
down the right part for you.......... and...
Here you go:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=3DN82E1681211 7412
This is a generic branded CAT5e cable in 25 foot length - you may =
want something shorter, I don't know your situation but holla back if =
you do.
Stay clear of anything marked CROSSOVER as Deej said, it'll fry =
components and get expensive quick.=20
AA
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:436ffa74@linux...
Cool! Very nice website! I bet you guys have a lot of fun! I =
train and race Thoroughbreds in OK/TX/AR area. =20
Anyway, to try and stay OT, thanks again for the information and =
I do have the 68 pin SCSI cable. (The only cable I got with Paris was a =
clock cable, and I also got one diskette - Wavelab Lite). Edna =20
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:436fe113$1@linux...
A horse farm????? Oh dear!!!!! ........................
http://www.graphicresultsofdurango.com/index.html
Notice that once you enter the link to the recording studio, =
my wife still manages to bring horses into the conversation.
Is there a 12 step program for this?
;o)
"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
news:436fbab3@linux...
Thanks much. I live in the sticks on a horse farm, so will =
go to the big city (about 19 miles) to get one. I'm not sure what a =
"crossover cable" is (multi-purpose?), but I will avoid anything with =
that name. I have a SCSI cable I will use with the MEC - anything =
special here?
Edna
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message =
news:436fb716$1@linux...
Edna,
This is a standard CAT5 LAN cable, not a telephone cable. =
Also, make sure you do ****NOT**** use a crossover cable........I =
repeat........... do ****NOT**** use a crossover =
cable.......errrrr.....and make sure that whatever you do, ****NOT**** =
use a crossover cable. Using a crossover cable *will* fry your =
MEC..........no kiddin'. It's one of the wonderful little omissions in =
the Paris manual.
;Do
Deej
Here's a link to cables:
=
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=3Dlist& amp;SubCategory=3D=
132&CMP=3DKNC-GoogleAdwords&ATT=3DCables
Or if you live in a city like most people, you can buy =
these at Office Depot/Best Buy, etc. I always have to order my stuff =
online because I live in a cave in the wilderness.
;o)
"Edna Sloan" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message =
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Hi, is the C-16 cable just an ordinary telephone cable? =
Wired the same? Also, anyone know where I might obtain the sample =
project disk?
Many thanks,
Edna
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Hence the server will be moving in the next week or so, probably over the
weekend.
I'll keep you guys up to date, but at this stage I'm thinking I might be
able to keep the newsgroup running through out the move, but limited to web
interface only for probably half a day or so.
I'll keep you up to date.
Cheers,
Kim.Thanks to all,
Dear David the only motherboards close to your I can find on internet is
D865PERC PGA478 ATX AGP8X
This has 6 PCI's as opposed to your having 5 pci's.
Are these motherboards the same ?
Would I have same results ?
Regards,
Dimitrios
EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>Hi Dimitrios,
>
>Intel D865PERL MB
>P4 2.6HT chip (HT disabled)
>Win XP-sp1
>1GB DDR400 Kingston VS Ram
>13 Slot Magma w/5 EDS cards.
>
>Works great.
>
>David.
>
>Dimitrios wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I would like to know, if possible, your exact working PC that uses magma
>> chassis with multiple eds cards inside chassis.
>> What motherboard, cpu memory type, XP or Me ,etc.
>> thank you
>> Regards,
>> DimitriosFrontier Designs Tango24.
can anyone say anything about the AD/DA conversion?
thanks
jeremyProgrammable analog distortion/warmth - helpful in the pristine but
unforgiving digital world. Three audio modes providing user
programmable, warm harmonic distortion. Emphasized tube-like, 2nd
harmonic in clean and Distort 2 mode. In Distort 3 mode, the
distortion becomes dominated by 3rd harmonic, more similar to tape.
Distortion indicator lights - A 1% LED and a "Redline" (3%) LED. No
hard clipping until a few dB past "Redline".
Advanced built-in sidechain EQ - High mid band emphasis prevents
harsh, edgy guitars or vocals from hurting innocent ears. Low cut
keeps the low "sum & difference" frequencies from pumping the upper
frequencies of source material.
Fool proof operation - Even though there are 384 possible settings
(not counting knob settings), it's almost impossible to get a bad
sound. Keep all knobs on 5 or 6 (around middle) with ratio at 6:1 and
you won't go wrong.
Eight unique curves - From the 1:1 mode that simply warms up signal
with low order harmonics without intentional compression, to the
"Nuke" setting - a brick wall limiting curve that shines on live drum
room mics. Each curve has its own personality, and release shape. Most
exceptional is the 10:1 "Opto" ratio which uses separate circuitry to
emulate the oldest (and valued) "light controlled" devices, such as
the LA2A etc. See manual to emulate other compressors of old.
On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:02:19 -0600, "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com>
wrote:
>AA, the racetrack in Sallisaw is about as far North as I go these days.
>John, no, I don't have an ftp site (just horse sales), but thanks.
>DJ, I am glad to hear your wife's back is healed/healing (and she still likes horses). I did PM you with my address and thank you very much. I will be running Paris 2.2 version to start with, so whatever is best. My reference manual is version 1.80, 1998.
>
>PS I noticed in one of the posts a reference to a "distressor." I am not familiar with this item and am wondering what it is/does? Some kind of exciter? Harmonic enhancer?
>Edna
>
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message news:4370d8d8@linux...
> I've got both of them here.......the one from 1997 and the one form 2000. My e-mail is animix@animas.net. Shoot me a PM with your address and I'll burn you copies of these and send them to you.
>
> I don't remember the name of the place where we got Punkin. A friend of ours named Drew Horn had a friend named George who's health was failing. George lived somewhere close to Tulsa. George was a trainer and had three paints that he couldn't afford to keep any more. We had Punkin delivered and Drew fopund homes for the other two. Best $500.00 I ever spent on a horse...........come to think of it..........the only time I've ever paid $500.00 for a horse.
>
> As for the Lippezan/TB, after the blowup and after Amy's back started to heal, he started boot camp and he's now an amazing horse. Amy's a good trainer. We just got a call from a family that wants to buy him for their daughter for a show horse.......either hunter jumper or dressage. He could go either way. He's 5 years old. We bought him when he was 1 year old and we've had him here since the was three. If we get a good price for him, I might actually make enough back to pay for his room, board and vetting.
>
> ;o)
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:4370ae6e@linux...
> Thanks Aaron. (You guys are really great!) I did find a Fast5E cable at Wal-mart (the primary store/hangout here in Redneckville), a Belkin brand. Now if I can just find that demo project for Paris beginners. . . .
> "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message news:43704147@linux...
> If you've got a credit card, just have it delivered. I'll track down the right part for you.......... and...
>
> Here you go:
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168121174 12
>
> This is a generic branded CAT5e cable in 25 foot length - you may want something shorter, I don't know your situation but holla back if you do.
>
> Stay clear of anything marked CROSSOVER as Deej said, it'll fry components and get expensive quick.
>
> AA
>
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:436ffa74@linux...
> Cool! Very nice website! I bet you guys have a lot of fun! I train and race Thoroughbreds in OK/TX/AR area.
>
> Anyway, to try and stay OT, thanks again for the information and I do have the 68 pin SCSI cable. (The only cable I got with Paris was a clock cable, and I also got one diskette - Wavelab Lite). Edna
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message news:436fe113$1@linux...
> A horse farm????? Oh dear!!!!! ........................
>
> http://www.graphicresultsofdurango.com/index.html
>
> Notice that once you enter the link to the recording studio, my wife still manages to bring horses into the conversation.
>
> Is there a 12 step program for this?
>
> ;o)
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:436fbab3@linux...
> Thanks much. I live in the sticks on a horse farm, so will go to the big city (about 19 miles) to get one. I'm not sure what a "crossover cable" is (multi-purpose?), but I will avoid anything with that name. I have a SCSI cable I will use with the MEC - anything special here?
> Edna
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message news:436fb716$1@linux...
> Edna,
>
> This is a standard CAT5 LAN cable, not a telephone cable. Also, make sure you do ****NOT**** use a crossover cable........I repeat........... do ****NOT**** use a crossover cable.......errrrr.....and make sure that whatever you do, ****NOT**** use a crossover cable. Using a crossover cable *will* fry your MEC..........no kiddin'. It's one of the wonderful little omissions in the Paris manual.
>
> ;Do
>
> Deej
>
> Here's a link to cables:
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=list&am p;SubCategory=132&CMP=KNC-GoogleAdwords&ATT=Cables
>
> Or if you live in a city like most people, you can buy these at Office Depot/Best Buy, etc. I always have to order my stuff online because I live in a cave in the wilderness.
>
> ;o)
>
> "Edna Sloan" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message news:436fb3fd@linux...
> Hi, is the C-16 cable just
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studio@allknightmusic.com"><thestudio@allknightmusic.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">lol...thanks Martin....
I guess I'm just a tad frustrated with my system. Did a nice overhaul
recently so now I have to learn too much too fast and some of it is like
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">crawling over broken glass to get happening.
The guys I deal with down at Saved By Technology are constantly
genuflecting droolingly over PT which has kind of hyp-mo-tized me....
Martin Harrington wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Yukkk,
Don't do it..PT I mean.
I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->I
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">have to say...I don't like it.
The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->in
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->the
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Session 8 days, but not much else.
And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->full
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled), it
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap=""><!---->
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
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on xp,but I have no native effects??what did I do wrong or what didnt I do??
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Nashville huh? Pretty cool. Did you marry a United Statesian? I did but
she couldn't wait to move here.
Sandy Tipping wrote:
> Well, now I'm in Nashville, TN (not Nashville near Bolton / Brampton).
> Mostly big band, jazz and other small scale projects.
>
> Sandy
>
> "jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com
> <mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com>> wrote in message
> news:4370c761@linux...
> LOL....so true about the attitude.....
>
> I'm up by Lindsay on the west side of lake scuggog, just north of
> pt perry.
>
> We almost were living in your area but the deal fell through so
> now we're in the boonies, sorta...
>
> What do you do over there with your studio? Gig much?
>
> jef
>
>
>
> Sandy Tipping wrote:
>
>> Where is Little Britain? I used to live in Tottenham (which is
>> around Alliston / Newmarket)
>>
>> SBT has always (IMHO) had a "we only sell the best and your stuff
>> is probably crap" attitude.
>>
>> Sandy
>>
>> "jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com
>> <mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com>> wrote in message
>> news:436fe6c4@linux...
>> I'm just N of TO in a place called Little Britain
>>
>> Mike Audet wrote:
>>
>>>Are you in Toronto, Jeff, or are there Saved By Technologies everywhere?
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>jef knight <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> <mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>lol...thanks Martin....
>>>>I guess I'm just a tad frustrated with my system. Did a nice overhaul
>>>>recently so now I have to learn too much too fast and some of it is like
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>crawling over broken glass to get happening.
>>>>The guys I deal with down at Saved By Technology are constantly
>>>>genuflecting droolingly over PT which has kind of hyp-mo-tized me....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Martin Harrington wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Yukkk,
>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>full
>>>
>>>
>>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled), it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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Nashville huh? Pretty cool. Did you marry a United Statesian? I did but
she couldn't wait to move here.<br>
<br>
Sandy Tipping wrote:<br>
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Well, now I'm in Nashville, TN (not
Nashville near Bolton / Brampton).</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Mostly big band, jazz and other
small scale projects.</font></div>
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<div>"jef knight" <<a href="mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com">thestudio@allknightmusic.com</a>>
wrote in message <a href="news:4370c761@linux">news:4370c761@linux</a>...</div>
LOL....so true about the attitude.....<br>
<br>
I'm up by Lindsay on the west side of lake scuggog, just north of pt
perry.<br>
<br>
We almost were living in your area but the deal fell through so now
we're in the boonies, sorta...<br>
<br>
What do you do over there with your studio? Gig much?<br>
<br>
jef <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Sandy Tipping wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="mid43709ce1@linux" type="cite">
<meta http-equiv="Context-Type" content="text/html; ">
<div>Where is Little Britain? I used to live in Tottenham (which
is around Alliston / Newmarket) </div>
<div> </div>
<div>SBT has always (IMHO) had a "we only sell the best and your
stuff is probably crap" attitude. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Sandy </div>
<blockquote>
<div>"jef knight" <<a
href="mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com">thestudio@allknightmusic.com</a>>
wrote in message <a href="news:436fe6c4@linux">news:436fe6c4@linux</a>...</div>
I'm just N of TO in a place called Little Britain<br>
<br>
Mike Audet wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="mid436fe141$1@linux" type="cite">
<pre>Are you in Toronto, Jeff, or are there Saved By Technologies everywhere?
Cheers,
Mike
jef knight <a href="mailto:thestudio@allknightmusic.com"><thestudio@allknightmusic.com></a> wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>lol...thanks Martin....
I guess I'm just a tad frustrated with my system. Did a
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/pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>crawling over broken glass to get happening.
The guys I deal with down at Saved By Technology are constantly
genuflecting droolingly over PT which has kind of hyp-mo-tized me....
Martin Harrington wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>Yukkk,
Don't do it..PT I mean.
I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre>I
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>have to say...I don't like it.
The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre>in
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre>the
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>Session 8 days, but not much else.
And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre>full
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled), it
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<pre> </pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
</pre>
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--------------000603020908080603050709--I just checked out Fletcher's forum at prosoundweb. Man, those guys sure
love protools over there.I didn't know you were so smart. Can you show me which end of this wire
thing I need to stick in the hole in this here metal box?
;op
"rick" <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:3ai3n15m5fdb63108dnolndscvukvvj3o9@4ax.com...
> Programmable analog distortion/warmth - helpful in the pristine but
> unforgiving digital world. Three audio modes providing user
> programmable, warm harmonic distortion. Emphasized tube-like, 2nd
> harmonic in clean and Distort 2 mode. In Distort 3 mode, the
> distortion becomes dominated by 3rd harmonic, more similar to tape.
>
> Distortion indicator lights - A 1% LED and a "Redline" (3%) LED. No
> hard clipping until a few dB past "Redline".
>
> Advanced built-in sidechain EQ - High mid band emphasis prevents
> harsh, edgy guitars or vocals from hurting innocent ears. Low cut
> keeps the low "sum & difference" frequencies from pumping the upper
> frequencies of source material.
>
> Fool proof operation - Even though there are 384 possible settings
> (not counting knob settings), it's almost impossible to get a bad
> sound. Keep all knobs on 5 or 6 (around middle) with ratio at 6:1 and
> you won't go wrong.
>
> Eight unique curves - From the 1:1 mode that simply warms up signal
> with low order harmonics without intentional compression, to the
> "Nuke" setting - a brick wall limiting curve that shines on live drum
> room mics. Each curve has its own personality, and release shape. Most
> exceptional is the 10:1 "Opto" ratio which uses separate circuitry to
> emulate the oldest (and valued) "light controlled" devices, such as
> the LA2A etc. See manual to emulate other compressors of old.
>
>
> On Wed, 9 Nov 2005 09:02:19 -0600, "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com>
> wrote:
>
> >AA, the racetrack in Sallisaw is about as far North as I go these days.
> >John, no, I don't have an ftp site (just horse sales), but thanks.
> >DJ, I am glad to hear your wife's back is healed/healing (and she still
likes horses). I did PM you with my address and thank you very much. I
will be running Paris 2.2 version to start with, so whatever is best. My
reference manual is version 1.80, 1998.
> >
> >PS I noticed in one of the posts a reference to a "distressor." I am
not familiar with this item and am wondering what it is/does? Some kind of
exciter? Harmonic enhancer?
> >Edna
> >
> >"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:4370d8d8@linux...
> > I've got both of them here.......the one from 1997 and the one form
2000. My e-mail is animix@animas.net. Shoot me a PM with your address and
I'll burn you copies of these and send them to you.
> >
> > I don't remember the name of the place where we got Punkin. A friend of
ours named Drew Horn had a friend named George who's health was failing.
George lived somewhere close to Tulsa. George was a trainer and had three
paints that he couldn't afford to keep any more. We had Punkin delivered and
Drew fopund homes for the other two. Best $500.00 I ever spent on a
horse...........come to think of it..........the only time I've ever paid
$500.00 for a horse.
> >
> > As for the Lippezan/TB, after the blowup and after Amy's back started
to heal, he started boot camp and he's now an amazing horse. Amy's a good
trainer. We just got a call from a family that wants to buy him for their
daughter for a show horse.......either hunter jumper or dressage. He could
go either way. He's 5 years old. We bought him when he was 1 year old and
we've had him here since the was three. If we get a good price for him, I
might actually make enough back to pay for his room, board and vetting.
> >
> > ;o)
> > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message
news:4370ae6e@linux...
> > Thanks Aaron. (You guys are really great!) I did find a Fast5E
cable at Wal-mart (the primary store/hangout here in Redneckville), a Belkin
brand. Now if I can just find that demo project for Paris beginners. . . .
> > "Aaron Allen" <nospam@not_here.dude> wrote in message
news:43704147@linux...
> > If you've got a credit card, just have it delivered. I'll track
down the right part for you.......... and...
> >
> > Here you go:
> >
> > http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E168121174 12
> >
> > This is a generic branded CAT5e cable in 25 foot length - you may
want something shorter, I don't know your situation but holla back if you
do.
> >
> > Stay clear of anything marked CROSSOVER as Deej said, it'll fry
components and get expensive quick.
> >
> > AA
> >
> >
> > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message
news:436ffa74@linux...
> > Cool! Very nice website! I bet you guys have a lot of fun! I
train and race Thoroughbreds in OK/TX/AR area.
> >
> > Anyway, to try and stay OT, thanks again for the information and
I do have the 68 pin SCSI cable. (The only cable I got with Paris was a
clock cable, and I also got one diskette - Wavelab Lite). Edna
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:436fe113$1@linux...
> > A horse farm????? Oh dear!!!!! ........................
> >
> > http://www.graphicresultsofdurango.com/index.html
> >
> > Notice that once you enter the link to the recording studio, my
wife still manages to bring horses into the conversation.
> >
> > Is there a 12 step program for this?
> >
> > ;o)
> > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message
news:436fbab3@linux...
> > Thanks much. I live in the sticks on a horse farm, so will
go to the big city (about 19 miles) to get one. I'm not sure what a
"crossover cable" is (multi-purpose?), but I will avoid anything with that
name. I have a SCSI cable I will use with the MEC - anything special here?
> > Edna
> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:436fb716$1@linux...
> > Edna,
> >
> > This is a standard CAT5 LAN cable, not a telephone cable.
Also, make sure you do ****NOT**** use a crossover cable........I
repeat........... do ****NOT**** use a crossover cable.......errrrr.....and
make sure that whatever you do, ****NOT**** use a crossover cable. Using a
crossover cable *will* fry your MEC..........no kiddin'. It's one of the
wonderful little omissions in the Paris manual.
> >
> > ;Do
> >
> > Deej
> >
> > Here's a link to cables:
> >
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=list&am p;SubCategory=132&CM
P=KNC-GoogleAdwords&ATT=Cables
> >
> > Or if you live in a city like most people, you can buy
these at Office Depot/Best Buy, etc. I always have to order my stuff online
because I live in a cave in the wilderness.
> >
> > ;o)
> >
> > "Edna Sloan" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote in message
news:436fb3fd@linux...
> > Hi, is the C-16 cable just an ordinary telephone cable?
Wired the same? Also, anyone know where I might obtain the sample project
disk?
> > Many thanks,
> > Edna
>Protools "Zombies"!! ;-)
David.
jef knight wrote:
> I just checked out
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>>>>Paris
>>>>
>>>>>since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
>>
>>into
>>
>>>>>all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I
>>
>>learn,
>>
>>>>>Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you
>
> use
>
>>>>Paris
>>>>
>>>>>for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
>>
>>much
>>
>>>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland
>>
>>system.
>>
>>>>> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>>>>
>>>>files/channels
>>>>
>>>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try
>
> the
>
>>>>normalize
>>>>
>>>>>funtion... ~ Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>>>>
>>>>either,
>>>>
>>>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
>>
>>Paris.
>>
>>>>>>But its on my list.
>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but
>
> was
>
>>>>unsure
>>>>
>>>>>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>>>>
>>>>ago...
>>>>
>>>>>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster
>>
>>some
>>
>>>>>>older
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>>>>
>>>>adjust
>>>>
>>>>>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them
>
> up
>
>>>or
>>>
>>>>>>down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>>>>
>>>>channel
>>>>
>>>>>>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>>>>
>>>>brings
>>>>
>>>>>>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>>>>>
>&g
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Tue, 03 January 2006 09:16 |
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>>>>>down.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused channel
>>>>>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
brings
>>>>>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>>>>
>>>>>normalize
>>>>>
>>>>>>>to 10.)
>>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users.
>>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>>>>mainly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>levels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>>>>
>>>>all
>>>>
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>individually.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active meaning
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? Another
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>words,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring them
>>>>>
>>>>>all
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same
>>>>>
>>>>>time
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>>>>
>>>>by
>>>>
>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>There
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>>>>
>>>>it
>>>>
>>>>>>out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>>>>
>>>>>learning
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic recording,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>mixing....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks in advance... and Happy New Year (2006)!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>Hey John,
I don't really know if LE has PDC, HD does. You can get 16 i/os in LE with
the Follwoing Products:
-Digi 002(Rack)or not
-M-Audio Project Mix I/O
-FireWire 1814
All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you can add
8 channels of I/O of your choice.
LaMont
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16 I/Os
>for ?
>
>LaMont wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with assessments
>> on Pro Tools sound quality.
>>
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Tue, 03 January 2006 10:38 |
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>>> >I got Paris for the sound. I prefer analog, and Paris was touted as
>the
>>> >nearest to that. It certainly wipes the floor with the Roland, IMHO.
> And
>>> I
>>> >love the editing features. At the moment I am experimenting with
>>mixdowns,
>>> >trying to get the exported stereo files to sound as good as the original
>>> mix
>>> >and as loud as comm cds - when I bring the stereo wav back to the project
>>> >and a/b with the original, it doesn't sound quite as open and clear.
>>> >Edna
>>> > "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
>>> >>
>>> >> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>>> >everytime
>>> >> I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't
>>figured
>>> >> out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using
>my
>>> >Paris
>>> >> since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
>>into
>>> >> all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I
>>learn,
>>> >> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you
>use
>>> >Paris
>>> >> for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
>>much
>>> >> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
>>> and
>>> >> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland
>>system.
>>> >> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>>> >files/channels
>>> >> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try
>the
>>> >normalize
>>> >> funtion... ~ Ed
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >> >You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could
just
>>> >> >normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
>>> >either,
>>> >> >except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
>>Paris.
>>> >> >But its on my list.
>>> >> >Edna
>>> >> >
>>> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but
>was
>>> >unsure
>>> >> >> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>>> >ago...
>>> >> >> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster
>>some
>>> >> >older
>>> >> >> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>>> >adjust
>>> >> >> each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>> >> >> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them
>up
>>> or
>>> >> >down.
>>> >> >> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
>>> >channel
>>> >> >> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>>> >brings
>>> >> >> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>> >> >normalize
>>> >> >> >to 10.)
>>> >> >> >Edna
>>> >> >> >
>>> >> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>> >> >> >>
>>> >> >> >> Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power
>>users.
>>> >> I
>>> >> >> >mainly
>>> >> >> >> use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and
>>such.
>>> >> >> >Anyway,
>>> >> >> >> I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
>>> the
>>> >> >> >levels
>>> >> >> >> of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back
>>through
>>> >> all
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Tue, 03 January 2006 10:06 |
John [1]
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> >> P.S
> >> Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
> floating
> >> point mixer..
> >>
> >> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Yukkk,
> >>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
> >>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
> I
> >>
> >>
> >>>have to say...I don't like it.
> >>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
> >>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
tiresome
> >>
> >> in
> >>
> >>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
> the
> >>
> >>
> >>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
> >>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
> full
> >>
> >>
> >>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
> >>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
> it
> >>
> >>
> >>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
> >>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
> >>>--
> >>>Martin Harrington
> >>>www.lendanear-sound.com
> >>>
> >>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
> >>>
> >>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>
> >>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
> >>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
one.
> >>
> >> At
> >>
> >>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
> >>>>
> >>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
> >>
> >> I'm
> >>
> >>>>considering switching to protools.
> >>>>
> >>>>jef
> >>>>
> >>>>DJ wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
> >>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel
has,
> >>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these
channels
> >>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>
> >>>>>feeling
> >>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems
seem
> >>
> >> to
> >>
> >>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43baa442$1@linux...
>
> Well, it doesn't work for me. Imagine a song with faders currently all
over
> the place for adjustment. Most are below the zero. When I select
"Normalize"
> from the function menu in the Mixer, it asks for the Db level (with a zero
> default).
It moves the faders relative to the fader you have with the greatest value.
The other faders will move the same relative amount.
I experimented on one song and I put in a -3.0. Once I hit return,
> ALL my faders did move.. but they moved way UP!
For your faders to have moved up by 3db means that your maximum value fader
must have been at -6db (unless you have fader grouping set up, make sure it
is off).
So that function in Paris
> 3.0 is not what I want. I was wanting a way to physically move one fader
> and the rest of the faders follow suit.
Sorry, I guess I misunderstood. For "physical" locking you can use fader
grouping function. In, mixer select Settings and Show Groupings. A new
section will pop up below the EQs where you can select the channels to group
together. Then select Relative. Do this for each channel of interest. Now
the group will all move "physically" together. (The normalize mix function
doesn't seem to be predictable when used with grouping ?)
thought there was a feature in
> Paris to do that, but I guess not. Thanks for you help tho.....
>
>
> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >Normalize Mix is the correct function. The Maximum DB level is what you
> >will set to move the faders - this is the value your highest level fader
> >will be increased to, and this amount of increase will be the amount all
> >faders are changed by. As an experiment, set all your faders a 0 db.
Now,
> >lets say you would like to raise the entire mix by 5 db. Select
Normalize
> >Mix and enter 5db for the maximum db level. Now all your faders will
move
> >up to 5db. If this worked for you, then take one of your actual mixes
you
> >would like to increase. Lets say you want to move the faders all up by
> 3 db
> >and they are all at different levels. Find the fader with the highest
level
> >(make sure your unused faders are below this value). Lets say it is at
> 2db.
> >Now select Normalize Mix and set the maximum db gain at 5db (its 2db
level
> +
> >your 3d increase). Now this fader moves u
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Tue, 03 January 2006 10:04 |
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p 3db to reach the max 5db
value
> >you chose. At the same time the other faders will move up 3db as well.
> >
> >If you wanted to lower the levels, just set the maximum level of the
highest
> >fader down by however many db you want. Lets say the 3db above was too
> >much and you would like to reduce it by a db. Same procedure, just set
> the
> >maxumum db level to 4db. This reduces your max level fader from 5db to
> >4db - a one db change for all faders.
> >
> >Hope this helps. I use it a lot and it works for well for me.
> >Edna
> >
> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9a83a$1@linux...
> >>
> >> Ummm... I am afraid your advice didn't work Edna. I failed to mention
> >that
> >> I am using Paris 3.0. I only see the "normalize mix" option in the
> >Functions
> >> section on the Mixer. When I select it, it wants me to adjust the
total
> >> mix by maximun Db. I'll have to play with it I suppose. But I could
> have
> >> sworn there was a way to control all faders at the same time....
> >>
> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >> >Well I just got into Paris a couple months ago. Its my first DAW. I
> am
> >> >amazed at what all it can do. I did try out a Roland unit one time
but
> >> was
> >> >disappointed with the sound - dead, cold, etc. I am using Paris to
track
> >> >vocals and synth mainly for church related things, BG tracks, CDs,
etc.
> >> >Also for writing my own stuff - I play kybds/sing. Used to play in
> >bands.
> >> >I got Paris for the sound. I prefer analog, and Paris was touted as
> the
> >> >nearest to that. It certainly wipes the floor with the Roland, IMHO.
> And
> >> I
> >> >love the editing features. At the moment I am experimenting with
> >mixdowns,
> >> >trying to get the exported stereo files to sound as good as the
original
> >> mix
> >> >and as loud as comm cds - when I bring the stereo wav back to the
project
> >> >and a/b with the original, it doesn't sound quite as open and clear.
> >> >Edna
> >> > "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9713f$1@linux...
> >> >>
> >> >> The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
> >> >everytime
> >> >> I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't
> >figured
> >> >> out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using
> my
> >> >Paris
> >> >> since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
> >into
> >> >> all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I
> >learn,
> >> >> Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you
> use
> >> >Paris
> >> >> for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
> >much
> >> >> (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my
hobby
> >> and
> >> >> my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland
> >system.
> >> >> But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit
single
> >> >files/channels
> >> >> on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try
> the
> >> >normalize
> >> >> funtion... ~ Ed
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >> >> >You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could
just
> >> >> >normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
> >> >either,
> >> >> >except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
> >Paris.
> >> >> >But its on my list.
> >> >> >Edna
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but
> was
> >> >unsure
> >> >> >> how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few
days
> >> >ago...
> >> >> >> would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster
> >some
> >> >> >older
> >> >> >> projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to
individually
> >> >adjust
> >> >> >> each channel. Thanks again... :)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them
> up
> >> or
> >> >> >down.
> >> >> >> >For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
> >> >channel
> >> >> >> >move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7.
This
> >> >brings
> >> >> >> >down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they
were,
> >> >> >normalize
> >> >> >> >to 10.)
> >> >> >> >Edna
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$
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Tue, 03 January 2006 13:50 |
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to disagree with
>assessments
>> >> on Pro Tools sound quality.
>> >>
>> >> First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
>> Gospel
>> >> Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
>> ITB
>> >> (in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>> >>
>> >> At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's
>elequent
>> >> editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major
pain
>> in
>> >> !@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
>> same
>> >> mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after
30
>> tracks,
>> >> things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
>> or
>> >> they don't sit right.
>> >>
>> >> However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
>intacked,
>> >> and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in
>Paris..
>> >>
>> >> Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
>discussions
>> >> about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
>Opinions
>> >> varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult
it
>> was
>> >> to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what
i/o
>> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>> >> RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in
>SX/Nuendo..Where
>> >> as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
>> >> Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>> >>
>> >> P.S
>> >> Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
>> floating
>> >> point mixer..
>> >>
>> >> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Yukkk,
>> >>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>> >>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010,
and
>> I
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>have to say...I don't like it.
>> >>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>> >>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
>tiresome
>> >>
>> >> in
>> >>
>> >>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>> the
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>> >>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>> full
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>> >>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
>> it
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>> >>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>> >>>--
>> >>>Martin Harrington
>> >>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>> >>>
>> >>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>> >>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>> >>>
>> >>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>
>> >>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>> >>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
>one.
>> >>
>> >> At
>> >>
>> >>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>> >>
>> >> I'm
>> >>
>> >>>>considering switching to protools.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>jef
>> >>>>
>> >>>>DJ wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>> >>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel
>has,
>> >>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these
>channels
>> >>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>
>> >>>>>feeling
>> >>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems
>seem
>> >>
>> >> to
>> >>
>> >>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>>
>
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Hey John,
In the Automation Editor select track/tracks to be gain changed.
Hit 'Control e' and a dialog will ask for a gain raise-lower amount.
It can be typed in in decimals + or -. If you want 1.7 db higher
type 1.7. If you want 2.5 lower type -2.5. All selected automated
levels will change. Fairly simple compared to magnifying the screen.
Rod prefers Control Drag which I am not accustomed to but will try
it tonight to learn a new trick.
Tom
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43bad80b@linux...
I just learned Ctrl-R (Set Record Path, cuz it seems to love to have =
it=20
set regularly).
Tom Bruhl wrote:
> John,
> I've been a Control E user for years.
> Tom
> =20
>=20
> "John" <no@no.com <mailto:no@no.com>> wrote in message
> news:
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Tue, 03 January 2006 13:56 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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et="_blank">43ba69b5@linux...
> Editing automation is easy. It's also in the manual. Basically =
you
> turn on the display data buttons for either volume, pan or mute =
and
> then
> turn on the edit data button for the same. Then you pick the =
tool at
> the top to select, move, draw lines, freeform draw, erase. You =
can use
> interpolate or simplify to add more values or reduce the number =
of
> values easily. Reply if this doesn't make sense. 10 minutes in =
the
> manual and you'll have it. I'll repost my automation notes soon =
for
> recording automation cuz the ones on my site are wrong at the =
last step.
>=20
> John
>=20
> Ed wrote:
> > The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from =
it
> cause everytime
> > I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I =
haven't
> figured
> > out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I =
been
> using my Paris
> > since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I =
never
> got into
> > all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the =
time I
> learn,
> > Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what =
do
> you use Paris
> > for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't =
go
> out much
> > (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is =
my
> hobby and
> > my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a =
Roland
> system.
> > But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to =
edit
> single files/channels
> > on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and =
I'll
> try the normalize
> > funtion... ~ Ed
> >
> >
> > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com <mailto:edna@texomaonline.com>> =
wrote:
> >
> >>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You =
could just
> >>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
> >>
> >>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation =
editor
> yet either,
> >>except to just make sure the automation worked after my =
install
> of Paris.
> >>But its on my list.
> >>Edna
> >>
> >>"Ed" <askme@email.com <mailto:askme@email.com>> wrote in =
message
> news:43b9652e$1@linux...
> >>
> >>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, =
but
> was unsure
> >>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a =
few
> days ago...
> >>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to
> remix/remaster some
> >>
> >>older
> >>
> >>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to
> individually adjust
> >>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com =
<mailto:edna@texomaonline.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring =
them
> up or
> >>
> >>down.
> >>
> >>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an
> unused channel
> >>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. =
> This brings
> >>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they =
were,
> >>
> >>normalize
> >>
> >>>>to 10.)
> >>>>Edna
> >>>>
> >>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com <mailto:askme@email.com>> wrote in
> message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris =
power
> users.
> >
> > I
> >
> >>>>mainly
> >>>>
> >>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) =
and such.
> >>>>
> >>>>Anyway,
> >>>>
> >>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically
> liked the
> >>>>
> >>>>levels
> >>>>
> >>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back =
through
> >
> > all
> >
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each =
channel fader
> >>>>
> >>>>individually.
> >>>>
> >>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active
> (active meaning
> >>>>
> >>>>there
> >>>>
> >>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same =
time?=20
> Another
> >>>>
> >>>>words,
> >>>>
> >>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to
> bring them
> >>
> >>all
> >>
> >>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at =
the
> same
> >>
> >>time
> >>
> >>>>>without doing them individually?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be =
effected
> >
> > by
> >
> >>>>this.
> >>>>
> >>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of =
this
> reason.
> >>>>
> >>>>There
> >>>>
> >>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't =
figured
> >
> > it
> >
> >>>out.
> >>>
> >>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve =
into that
> >>
> >>learning
> >>
> >>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for =
basic
> recording,
>
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #62292 is a reply to message #62274] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 14:45 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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ut the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it
> was
> >to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
> >RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
> >as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
> >Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
> >
> >P.S
> >Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
> floating
> >point mixer..
> >
> >"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>Yukkk,
> >>Don't do it..PT I mean.
> >>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
> I
> >
> >>have to say...I don't like it.
> >>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
> >>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
> >in
> >>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
> the
> >
> >>Session 8 days, but not much else.
> >>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
> full
> >
> >>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
> >>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled), it
> >
> >>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
> >>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
> >>--
> >>Martin Harrington
> >>www.lendanear-sound.com
> >>
> >>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
> >>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
> >>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>
> >>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
> >>> I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
one.
> >At
> >>> what track count would they sonically crap out?
> >>>
> >>> If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
> >I'm
> >>> considering switching to protools.
> >>>
> >>> jef
> >>>
> >>> DJ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
> >>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel
has,
> >>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these
channels
> >>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
> >>>>feeling
> >>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems
seem
> >to
> >>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>Anyone else run into the issue that automation on the c-16 appears to
work only on the submix the c-16 is hardwired to? Switch to other
submixes the faders change on the screen, but automation is not
recorded. With a mouse, it is.
Jeff
Tom Bruhl wrote:
> Hey John,
> In the Automation Editor select track/tracks to be gain changed.
> Hit 'Control e' and a dialog will ask for a gain raise-lower amount.
> It can be typed in in decimals + or -. If you want 1.7 db higher
> type 1.7. If you want 2.5 lower type -2.5. All selected automated
> levels will change. Fairly simple compared to magnifying the screen.
> Rod prefers Control Drag which I am not accustomed to but will try
> it tonight to learn a new trick.
> Tom
>
>
> "John" <no@no.com <mailto:no@no.com>> wrote in message
> news:43bad80b@linux...
> I just learned Ctrl-R (Set Record Path, cuz it seems to love to
> have it
> set regularly).
>
> Tom Bruhl wrote:
> > John,
> > I've been a Control E user for years.
> > Tom
> >
> >
> > "John" <no@no.com <mailto:no@no.com> <mailto:no@no.com>>
> wrote in message
> > news:43ba69b5@linux...
> > Editing automation is easy. It's also in the manual.
> Basically you
> > turn on the display data buttons for either volume, pan or
> mute and
> > then
> > turn on the edit data button for the same. Then you pick the
> tool at
> > the top to select, move, draw lines, freeform draw, erase.
> You can use
> > interpolate or simplify to add mo
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #62293 is a reply to message #62292] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 13:50 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
|
Senior Member |
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re values or reduce the
> number of
> > values easily. Reply if this doesn't make sense. 10 minutes
> in the
> > manual and you'll have it. I'll repost my automation notes
> soon for
> > recording automation cuz the ones on my site are wrong at the
> last step.
> >
> > John
> >
> > Ed wrote:
> > > The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it
> > cause everytime
> > > I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I
> haven't
> > figured
> > > out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been
> > using my Paris
> > > since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I
> never
> > got into
> > > all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the
> time I
> > learn,
> > > Paris will be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So,
> what do
> > you use Paris
> > > for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I
> don't go
> > out much
> > > (not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this
> is my
> > hobby and
> > > my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a
> Roland
> > system.
> > > But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to
> edit
> > single files/channels
> > > on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and
> I'll
> > try the normalize
> > > funtion... ~ Ed
> > >
> > >
> > > "Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com
> <mailto:edna@texomaonline.com> <mailto:edna@texomaonline.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You
> could just
> > >>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
> > >>
> > >>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor
> > yet either,
> > >>except to just make sure the automation worked after my
> install
> > of Paris.
> > >>But its on my list.
> > >>Edna
> > >>
> > >>"Ed" <askme@email.com <mailto:askme@email.com>
> <mailto:askme@email.com>> wrote in message
> > news:43b9652e$1@linux...
> > >>
> > >>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize
> button, but
> > was unsure
> > >>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few
> > days ago...
> > >>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to
> > remix/remaster some
> > >>
> > >>older
> > >>
> > >>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to
> > individually adjust
> > >>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com
> <mailto:edna@texomaonline.com> <mailto:edna@texomaonline.com>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this -
> bring them
> > up or
> > >>
> > >>down.
> > >>
> > >>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an
> > unused channel
> > >>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7.
> > This brings
> > >>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where
> they were,
> > >>
> > >>normalize
> > >>
> > >>>>to 10.)
> > >>>>Edna
> > >>>>
> > >>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com <mailto:askme@email.com>
> <mailto:askme@email.com>> wrote in
> > message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris
> power
> > users.
> > >
> > > I
> > >
> > >>>>mainly
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the
> mixer(s) and such.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Anyway,
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically
> > liked the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>levels
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going
> back through
> > >
> > > all
> > >
> > >>>the
> > >>>
> > >>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each
> channel fader
> > >>>>
> > >>>>individually.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active
> > (active meaning
> > >>>>
> > >>>>there
> > >>>>
>
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #62295 is a reply to message #62292] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 15:01 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
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Senior Member |
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f 30+ tracks in SX and
>think
>> they sound quite nice.
>>
>> TCB
>>
>> "LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >Hey guys,
>> >
>> >I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with
>assessments
>> >on Pro Tools sound quality.
>> >
>> >First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
>> Gospel
>> >Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
ITB
>> >(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>> >
>> >At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's
>elequent
>> >editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
>> in
>> >!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
>> same
>> >mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
>tracks,
>> >things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
or
>> >they don't sit right.
>> >
>> >However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
>intacked,
>> >and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>> >
>> >Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
>discussions
>> >about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
>Opinions
>> >varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult
it
>> was
>> >to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
>> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>> >RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
>> >as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
>> >Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>> >
>> >P.S
>> >Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
>> floating
>> >point mixer..
>> >
>> >"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> >>Yukkk,
>> >>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>> >>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
>> I
>> >
>> >>have to say...I don't like it.
>> >>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>> >>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>> >in
>> >>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>> the
>> >
>> >>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>> >>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>> full
>> >
>> >>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>> >>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
it
>> >
>> >>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>> >>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>> >>--
>> >>Martin Harrington
>> >>www.lendanear-sound.com
>> >>
>> >>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>> >>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>
>> >>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>> >>> I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
>one.
>> >At
>> >>> what track count would they sonically crap out?
>> >>>
>> >>> If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>> >I'm
>> >>> considering switching to protools.
>> >>>
>> >>> jef
>> >>>
>> >>> DJ wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>> >>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel
>has,
>> >>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these
>channels
>> >>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>> >>>>feeling
>> >>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems
>seem
>> >to
>> >>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>
>FWIW I heard that many sounded the same, but some were noticably different
to me and Paris was one. Wasn't as different as I expected, but I could tell
it was different...
....FWIW.
Cheers,
Kim.
"TCB" <nobody@ishere.com> wrote:
>
>I did the DAW summing CD thingy from what's his name in Nashville and could
>find basically zero difference in anything. Maybe I'm deaf, but if you were
>to double blind me I don't think I could pick out individual mixes consistently.
>Since that was (if I recall) a 24 track mix that was big and loud and R&B/rock/gospel
>I would think that would argue against this idea. However, it's a little
>like the audiophile world sometimes where when the tests seem to disprove
>personal experience the test is faulted instead of the experience. That's
>fine, ears are very fine instruments and some are just better than others.
>
>
>That said, I now work a good bit of my time in the finance world where fortunes
>are made and lost according to the certitude of people in th
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #62296 is a reply to message #62293] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 15:06 |
LaMont
Messages: 828
Registered: October 2005
|
Senior Member |
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eir experiences
>or mathmatical models. Over time this has lead me to believe more in emperical
>results than my experience. So if I do my own blind tests with the Nashville
>CD and can't generate statistically significant data that DAWs sound different
>then *I* will believe they sound the same. This could mean a flawed test
>or flawed ears but that's my belief until someone can present me with more
>convincing data.
>
>But hey, that's just me. I've also done mixes of 30+ tracks in SX and think
>they sound quite nice.
>
>TCB
>
>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>Hey guys,
>>
>>I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with assessments
>>on Pro Tools sound quality.
>>
>>First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
>Gospel
>>Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and ITB
>>(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>>
>>At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's elequent
>>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
>in
>>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
>same
>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30 tracks,
>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost or
>>they don't sit right.
>>
>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay intacked,
>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>>
>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in discussions
>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not. Opinions
>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it
>was
>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
>converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
>>Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>>
>>P.S
>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
>floating
>>point mixer..
>>
>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>Yukkk,
>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
>I
>>
>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>>in
>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>the
>>
>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>full
>>
>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
it
>>
>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>--
>>>Martin Harrington
>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>
>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>
>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>> I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with one.
>>At
>>>> what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>
>>>> If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>>I'm
>>>> considering switching to protools.
>>>>
>>>> jef
>>>>
>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel has,
>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these channels
>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>>>>feeling
>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems seem
>>to
>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>Oh, I like it, I like it a lot! I wish I had this one years ago,
Tanks
"Dale" <dalebradleycello@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>Cujo,
>
>Re your original question:
>
>"The automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I could type in values.
>For instance on bringing an entire track with automation up by .5 db."
>
>You can--first select the automation points you want moved (on a single
track
>or multiple tracks) and under "Functions" menu, it's "Change Value..." (command-E
>shortcut on a Mac)
>
>You can move values up or down (entering negative value lowers volume) by
>as little as .1 db
>
>dale
>
>
>
>
>"cujo" <chris@nospamapplemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Thanks EK, I know about all of that but I was talking about when you select
>>a whole tracks fader automation and want to put it up say .2 db sometimes
>>it will only go up .5 or so. The shift drag thinkg does not seem to work
>>for me at least.
>>
>>
>>EK Sound <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote:
>>>Hey Cujo
>>>
>>>You *can* "shift" to get smaller values when moving the automation
>>>points. Also, if you click on the track number in the editor, all of
>>>that tracks auto points turn red allowing you to move them all at
>>>once. Further, you can "shift select" additional tracks... all 16 of
>>>them actually, and move the whole shebang up or down.
>>>
>>>David.
>>>
>>>cujo wrote:
>>>> The automation editor is pretty cool. I only wish I could type in values.
>>>> For instance on bringing an entire track with automation up by .5 db.
>>>> Also, the shift/ fader for .1 db tweaks trick would be nice in the automation
>>>> editor,
>>>> Check it out though
>>>>
>>>> "Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The automation is a great feature, but I too stay away from it cause
>everytime
>>>>>I sit through mixing.. I end up changing things... and I haven't figured
>>>>>out how to "edit" the automation either. Funny thing.. I been using
>my
>>>>
>>>> Paris
>>>>
>>>>>since 2001 and I just use it for basic tracking/mixing. I never got
>into
>>>>>all the features... but it's on my list too.. lol. By the time I learn,
>>>>>Paris will
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Tue, 03 January 2006 15:11 |
Kim
Messages: 1246
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be obsolete. Oh! it IS obsolete... lol. So, what do you
use
>>>>
>>>> Paris
>>>>
>>>>>for? You got a band, or just play with it, like me? I don't go out
>much
>>>>>(not too many places to go in southern MD.. lol.) So this is my hobby
>>and
>>>>>my little get-away. It's been fun. I started out with a Roland system.
>>>>>But I knew I had to move to a DAW since it wasn't easy to edit single
>>files/channels
>>>>>on the Roland. Ok.. I bored ya enough... Thanks again and I'll try
the
>>>>
>>>> normalize
>>>>
>>>>>funtion... ~ Ed
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>You bet! Actually, you don't have to do it that way. You could just
>>>>>>normalize down/up from the highest fader value in the mix.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I haven't gotten in to the automation or the automation editor yet
either,
>>>>>>except to just make sure the automation worked after my install of
Paris.
>>>>>>But its on my list.
>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b9652e$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks Edna... I'll try that. I seen the normalize button, but was
>>unsure
>>>>>>>how it operated. In fact, I wished I known this option a few days
>ago...
>>>>>>>would have saved me lots of time. I was trying to remix/remaster
some
>>>>>>
>>>>>>older
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>projects and songs.. and it was very time consuming to individually
>>adjust
>>>>>>>each channel. Thanks again... :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Edna" <edna@texomaonline.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, you can use the normalize function to do this - bring them up
>>or
>>>>>>
>>>>>>down.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>For example say you want to lower them all by 3db. On an unused
channel
>>>>>>>>move its fader to 10 and then normalize with highest at 7. This
>brings
>>>>>>>>down all faders by 3. (To bring them back up to where they were,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>normalize
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>to 10.)
>>>>>>>>Edna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Ed" <askme@email.com> wrote in message news:43b952d0$1@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi All. Perhaps a quick n' easy question for you Paris power users.
>>>>>
>>>>>I
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>mainly
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>use the mouse for controlling everything on the mixer(s) and such.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Anyway,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I was working on a few projects and found that I sonically liked
>the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>levels
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>of one of the projects. It is very frustrating going back through
>>>>>
>>>>>all
>>>>>
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>other songs in the other projects to bring down each channel fader
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>individually.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My question is... is there a way to control all active (active
meaning
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>there
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>is something on the channel) channel faders at the same time? Another
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>words,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have all the channel faders set properly, but I want to bring
them
>>>>>>
>>>>>>all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>down a few db's. Is there a way to bring them all down at the same
>>>>>>
>>>>>>time
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>without doing them individually?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Lastly, I don't have any automation set, so that won't be effected
>>>>>
>>>>>by
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In fact, I try to stay away from automation because of this reason.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>There
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>may be an easy way to "edit" the automation, but I haven't figured
>>>>>
>>>>>it
>>>>>
>>>>>>>out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just try to stay away from it. Some day I may delve into that
>>>>>>
>>>>>>learning
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>process... lol. I am old school. Just use Paris for basic recording,
>>>>>>&
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Tue, 03 January 2006 15:35 |
Martin Harrington
Messages: 560
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DAW summing CD thingy from what's his name in Nashville and
>>
>>could
>>
>>>find basically zero difference in anything. Maybe I'm deaf, but if you
>>
>>were
>>
>>>to double blind me I don't think I could pick out individual mixes
>>
>>consistently.
>>
>>>Since that was (if I recall) a 24 track mix that was big and loud and
>>
>>R&B/rock/gospel
>>
>>>I would think that would argue against this idea. However, it's a little
>>>like the audiophile world sometimes where when the tests seem to disprove
>>>personal experience the test is faulted instead of the experience. That's
>>>fine, ears are very fine instruments and some are just better than others.
>>>
>>>
>>>That said, I now work a good bit of my time in the finance world where
>>
>>fortunes
>>
>>>are made and lost according to the certitude of people in their
>>
>>experiences
>>
>>>or mathmatical models. Over time this has lead me to believe more in
>>
>>emperical
>>
>>>results than my experience. So if I do my own blind tests with the
>>
>>Nashville
>>
>>>CD and can't generate statistically significant data that DAWs sound
>>
>>different
>>
>>>then *I* will believe they sound the same. This could mean a flawed test
>>>or flawed ears but that's my belief until someone can present me with
>
> more
>
>>>convincing data.
>>>
>>>But hey, that's just me. I've also done mixes of 30+ tracks in SX and
>>
>>think
>>
>>>they sound quite nice.
>>>
>>>TCB
>>>
>>>"LaMont" <jjdpro@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>>I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with
>>
>>assessments
>>
>>>>on Pro Tools sound quality.
>>>>
>>>>First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
>>>
>>>Gospel
>>>
>>>>Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
>
> ITB
>
>>>>(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>>>>
>>>>At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's
>>
>>elequent
>>
>>>>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
>>>
>>>same
>>>
>>>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
>>
>>tracks,
>>
>>>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
>
> or
>
>>>>they don't sit right.
>>>>
>>>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
>>
>>intacked,
>>
>>>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>>>>
>>>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
>>
>>discussions
>>
>>>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
>>
>>Opinions
>>
>>>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult
>
> it
>
>>>was
>>>
>>>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
>>>
>>>converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>>>
>>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
>>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not..
>>>>Hey,Just one Engineer's opinon.
>>>>
>>>>P.S
>>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
>>>
>>>floating
>>>
>>>>point mixer..
>>>>
>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Yukkk,
>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are tiresome
>>>>
>>>>in
>>>>
>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>>>
>>>full
>>>
>>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
>
> it
>
>>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>>>--
>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>
>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>>
>>>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
>>
>>one.
>>
>>>>At
>>>>
>>>>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>>>>
>>>>I'm
>>>>
>>>>>>considering switching to protools.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>jef
>>>>>>
>>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel
>>
>>has,
>>
>>>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these
>>
>>channels
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #62301 is a reply to message #62296] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 16:00 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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gt;>
>>>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems
>>
>>seem
>>
>>>>to
>>>>
>>>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>very nice, it looks like the 8 control surface is about $1200 also
Martin Harrington wrote:
> John,Look on the B&H site,
>
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=search& ;Q=&b=1315&shs=&ci=9576&ac=&Submit.x=17& amp;Submit.y=12
>
> They have all the cards you'll need plus all the software.
> Buying any M-Audio product means you can buy PT M-Powered for around $300
> Martin Harrington
> www.lendanear-sound.com
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43babdce@linux...
>
>>But how much money is it? And can it use VSTs ?
>>
>>LaMont wrote:
>>
>>>Hey John,
>>>
>>>I don't really know if LE has PDC, HD does. You can get 16 i/os in LE
>>>with
>>>the Follwoing Products:
>>>
>>>-Digi 002(Rack)or not
>>>-M-Audio Project Mix I/O
>>>-FireWire 1814
>>>
>>>All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you can add
>>>8 channels of I/O of your choice.
>>>LaMont
>>>
>>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16 I/Os
>>>
>>>
>>>>for ?
>>>>
>>>>LaMont wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Hey guys,
>>>>>
>>>>>I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with
>>>>>assessments
>>>>>on Pro Tools sound quality.
>>>>>
>>>>>First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major release
>>>
>>>Gospel
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
>>>
>>>ITB
>>>
>>>
>>>>>(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>>>>>
>>>>>At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's
>>>>>elequent
>>>>>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major pain
>>>
>>>in
>>>
>>>
>>>>>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand, those
>>>
>>>same
>>>
>>>
>>>>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
>>>
>>>tracks,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
>>>
>>>or
>>>
>>>
>>>>>they don't sit right.
>>>>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
>>>>>intacked,
>>>>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in Paris..
>>>>>
>>>>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
>>>>>discussions
>>>>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
>>>>>Opinions
>>>>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult it
>>>
>>>was
>>>
>>>
>>>>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what i/o
>>>
>>>converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in SX/Nuendo..Where
>>>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not.. Hey,Just one Engineer's
>>>>>opinon.
>>>>>P.S
>>>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to 32bit
>>>
>>>floating
>>>
>>>
>>>>>point mixer..
>>>>>
>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Yukkk,
>>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010, and
>>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
>>>>>>tiresome
>>>>>
>>>>>in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right from
>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no, (the
>>>
>>>full
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo, (reassembled),
>>>
>>>it
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Martin Harrington
>>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is quite
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>>>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
>>>>>>>one.
>>>>>
>>>>>At
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris resolved
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>considering switching to protools.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>jef
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>>>>>bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the channel
>>>>>>>>has,
>>>>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these
>>>>>>>>channels
>>>>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get this
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>feeling
>>>>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems
>>>>>>>>seem
>>>>>
>>>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>
>Oh and Pro Tools LE doesn't support automatic delay compensation. That
would be a deal breaker for me. I wonder what NAMM will bring this month.
John wrote:
> very nice, it looks like the 8 control surface is about $1200 also
>
> Martin Harrington wrote:
>
>> John,Look on the B&H site,
>>
>> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=search& ;Q=&b=1315&shs=&ci=9576&ac=&
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| Re: Pro tools summing bus revealed? [message #62302 is a reply to message #62300] |
Tue, 03 January 2006 16:08 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
Registered: September 2005
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;Submit.x=17& amp;Submit.y=12
>>
>>
>> They have all the cards you'll need plus all the software.
>> Buying any M-Audio product means you can buy PT M-Powered for around $300
>> Martin Harrington
>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>
>> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43babdce@linux...
>>
>>> But how much money is it? And can it use VSTs ?
>>>
>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey John,
>>>>
>>>> I don't really know if LE has PDC, HD does. You can get 16 i/os in
>>>> LE with
>>>> the Follwoing Products:
>>>>
>>>> -Digi 002(Rack)or not
>>>> -M-Audio Project Mix I/O
>>>> -FireWire 1814
>>>>
>>>> All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you
>>>> can add
>>>> 8 channels of I/O of your choice.
>>>> LaMont
>>>>
>>>> John <no@no.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16
>>>>> I/Os
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> for ?
>>>>>
>>>>> LaMont wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with
>>>>>> assessments
>>>>>> on Pro Tools sound quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major
>>>>>> release
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gospel
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ITB
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> (in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's
>>>>>> elequent
>>>>>> editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major
>>>>>> pain
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> !@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand,
>>>>>> those
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> same
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> tracks,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> or
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> they don't sit right.
>>>>>> However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels
>>>>>> stay intacked,
>>>>>> and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in
>>>>>> Paris..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
>>>>>> discussions
>>>>>> about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
>>>>>> Opinions
>>>>>> varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how
>>>>>> dificult it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> was
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter
>>>>>> what i/o
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in
>>>>>> SX/Nuendo..Where
>>>>>> as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not.. Hey,Just one Engineer's
>>>>>> opinon.
>>>>>> P.S
>>>>>> Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to
>>>>>> 32bit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> floating
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> point mixer..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yukkk,
>>>>>>> Don't do it..PT I mean.
>>>>>>> I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta
>>>>>>> 1010, and
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> have to say...I don't like it.
>>>>>>> The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
>>>>>>> Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
>>>>>>> tiresome
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right
>>>>>>> from
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> Session 8 days, but not much else.
>>>>>>> And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no,
>>>>>>> (the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> full
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
>>>>>>> To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo,
>>>>>>> (reassembled),
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>> didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
>>>>>>> I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Martin Harrington
>>>>>>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:436fce7a$1@linux...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is
>>>>>>>> quite
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>> interesting and just as much is confusing.
>>>>>>>> I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked
>>>>>>>> with one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what track count would they sonically crap out?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris
>>>>>>>> resolved
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> considering switching to protools.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jef
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> DJ wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Report message to a moderator
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Tue, 03 January 2006 16:15 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMixer.pdf" target="_blank"> http://akwww.digidesign.com/support/docs/WhitePaper_48BitMix er.pdf
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any comments? It appears to me that the signals are recorded at 24
>>>>>>>>> bit, then processed at whatever bit rate the plugin on the
>>>>>>>>> channel has,
>>>>>>>>> including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then
>>>>>>>>> these channels
>>>>>>>>> are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> feeling
>>>>>>>>> that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM
>>>>>>>>> systems seem
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>
>>So I got the two cards hooked up (I don't necessarily need 32 channels, but
want extra FX resources) and I want to load FX up on the global inserts
(card A) and record on card B (with various compressors, FX, etc. and lots
of resource room.) I understand the global FX are assigned to card A, but
then I can't record to card B (sumbix 2 where my per channel compression
is.) If I assign the submix to different cards, it doesn't matter because
now submix two is card A and there are no resources left for the global
inserts. Of course, now submix one has all kinds of resources, but I can't
record to it. Is this a Catch-22? Am I just an idiot? (ok, don't answer
that!)
Do you have to be happy with the resources on the card you are recording
with (both mixer and global inserts) as there is no sharing of resources?
Thanks
KentIt's not just a control surface...it's also got (unnecessary for me)
preamps. I've been considering moving on from my Houston controller to
something a bit more functional, but I don't need the preamps. For $1200.00,
this looks like a lot more in the way of a controller...
http://www.tascam.com/Products/US-2400.html
;o)
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43bb11a2@linux...
> very nice, it looks like the 8 control surface is about $1200 also
>
> Martin Harrington wrote:
> > John,Look on the B&H site,
> >
> >
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=search& ;Q=&b=1315&shs=&ci=9
576&ac=&Submit.x=17&Submit.y=12
> >
> > They have all the cards you'll need plus all the software.
> > Buying any M-Audio product means you can buy PT M-Powered for around
$300
> > Martin Harrington
> > www.lendanear-sound.com
> >
> > "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43babdce@linux...
> >
> >>But how much money is it? And can it use VSTs ?
> >>
> >>LaMont wrote:
> >>
> >>>Hey John,
> >>>
> >>>I don't really know if LE has PDC, HD does. You can get 16 i/os in LE
> >>>with
> >>>the Follwoing Products:
> >>>
> >>>-Digi 002(Rack)or not
> >>>-M-Audio Project Mix I/O
> >>>-FireWire 1814
> >>>
> >>>All of the above units have a additional Adat ports. That way you can
add
> >>>8 channels of I/O of your choice.
> >>>LaMont
> >>>
> >>>John <no@no.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Does PT LE have autocompensation for plugs? How much can I get 16
I/Os
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>for ?
> >>>>
> >>>>LaMont wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hey guys,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I know that this is an old thread, but I have to disagree with
> >>>>>assessments
> >>>>>on Pro Tools sound quality.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>First, I mix with Pro Tools HD at our Church's studio for major
release
> >>>
> >>>Gospel
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>Cds. Pro Tools HD sounds wonderful with low and high track counts and
> >>>
> >>>ITB
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>(in the Box) or summed to the SSL,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>At my home studio, I have PT LE & Nuendo and while I love Nuendo's
> >>>>>elequent
> >>>>>editing and nice soft sound, it's 32 bit floating mixer in a major
pain
> >>>
> >>>in
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>!@# to mix aggresive Rock, R &B, Hip hop with. Onthe other hand,
those
> >>>
> >>>same
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>mixes done in PT LE, have that sparkle and width. In Nuendo, after 30
> >>>
> >>>tracks,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>things start's getting "smearded" and tracks levels tends to get lost
> >>>
> >>>or
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>they don't sit right.
> >>>>>However, in PT Le, (same songs, tracks are not smeared, levels stay
> >>>>>intacked,
> >>>>>and the overall mix sounds very professional, just like mixes in
Paris..
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Some local Engineer friends in the area( Motown), have been in
> >>>>>discussions
> >>>>>about the state of current DAWs and what's working and what's not.
> >>>>>Opinions
> >>>>>varied,but the one constant opinion that was stated was how dificult
it
> >>>
> >>>was
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>to mix in Cubase and Nuendo on mixes over 30 tracks. No matter what
i/o
> >>>
> >>>converters(Apogee,Lucid,Motu,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>RME) mixing Rock , R&B, Hip-Hop is a dificult chore in
SX/Nuendo..Where
> >>>>>as mixing in Paris and Pro Tools is not.. Hey,Just one Engineer's
> >>>>>opinon.
> >>>>>P.S
> >>>>>Jsut for geekdum sakes, the new Sonar 5 uses a newly coded 64 to
32bit
> >>>
> >>>floating
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>point mixer..
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Yukkk,
> >>>>>>Don't do it..PT I mean.
> >>>>>>I've just been playing with PT M-Powered 6.8, using my Delta 1010,
and
> >>>
> >>>I
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>have to say...I don't like it.
> >>>>>>The interface is (IMNSHO), horrible, confusing, and convoluted.
> >>>>>>Moves that come easily in Paris, and more easily in Nuendo, are
> >>>>>>tiresome
> >>>>>
> >>>>>in
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>PT, apart from the reagon tool...taht has always been good, right
from
> >>>
> >>>the
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>Session 8 days, but not much else.
> >>>>>>And..it only plays .MOV video files, which in my case is a no-no,
(the
> >>>
> >>>full
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>TDM version may play the others but I don't think so).
> >>>>>>To top it off, playing one of my projects from Nuendo,
(reassembled),
> >>>
> >>>it
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>didn't have the "life" that the original had, by a long shot.
> >>>>>>I repeat...don't go there, Jeff......
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>Martin Harrington
> >>>>>>www.lendanear-sound.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>>news:436fce7a$1@linux...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I just read the doc, thanks for posting the link. Much of it is
quite
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>interesting and just as much is confusing.
> >>>>>>>I didn't know tdm systems sounded gnarly, never having worked with
> >>>>>>>one.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>At
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>what track count would they sonically crap out?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>If I can't get some of my tedious little troubles with paris
resolved
> >>>>>
> >>>
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Tue, 03 January 2006 16:36 |
Deej [1]
Messages: 2149
Registered: January 2006
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lugin on the channel
> >>>>>>>>has,
> >>>>>>>>including dither, or not, then reprocessed to 24 bit, then these
> >>>>>>>>channels
> >>>>>>>>are summed. I'm no guru when it comes to this stuff, but I get
this
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>>feeling
> >>>>>>>>that this reprocessing *per channel* is the reason the TDM systems
> >>>>>>>>seem
> >>>>>
> >>>>>to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>start sounding gnarly as more and more tracks are summed.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >
> >Anyone ever get this working? This is all the notes I have:
Attack=1.5ms Release=150ms. Knee behaviour MUST be operated by the EQ
(max 2 Bands) forcing the compressor to behave in "vintage" mode.You
just have to figure out the ratio and the frequencies in the EQ.
The compressors behaviour WILL get it's character form the Eq curves.You need 1 mec per submix, otherwise you have to swap them around for
recording. Also use Virtual submixes if you need to playback more
submixes than you have EDS cards.
Throw that MEC around. This is a REALLY QUICK way to throw your MEC and
Patchbay from submix to submix. With practice you can do it in less
than 10 seconds. Need 16 more tracks? Throw that MEC around.
How to move your MEC from submix to submix for a 2 card system.
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------
In this example, the MEC is tied to EDS card 1 and is assigned to submix
1 with EDS card 2 assigned to submix 2.
Open Master Mixer.
Assign submix 1 card A to virtual ***. This disconnects EDS card 1 from
submix 1
Assign submix 2 card B to card A. This assigns the MEC and EDS card 1
to submix 2.
Assign submix 1 to card B.
This allows 1 to be fully functional and tied to EDS card 2. Make sure
to turn CARD back on from Virtual.
To revert to the default setup.
Assign submix 1 card B to virtual ***. This disconnects EDS card 2 from
submix 1
Assign submix 2 card A to card B. This assigns the MEC and EDS card 2
to submix 2.
Assign submix 1 to card A.
This puts submix 1 back on card A. Make sure to turn CARD back on from
Virtual.
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------
How to move your MEC from submix to submix for a 1 card system.
------------------------------------------------------------ ----------------------------------
In this example, the MEC is tied to EDS card 1 and is assigned to submix 1.
Open Master Mixer.
Assign submix 1 card A to virtual. This disconnects EDS card 1 from
submix 1
Assign submix 2 card A. This assigns the MEC and EDS card 1 to
submix 2.
To revert to the default setup.
Assign submix 2 to virtual. This disconnects EDS card 2 from submix 1
Assign submix 1 to card A. This assigns the MEC and EDS card 1 back
to submix 1.
Make sure to turn CARD back on from Virtual.
RK wrote:
> So I got the two cards hooked up (I don't necessarily need 32 channels, but
> want extra FX resources) and I want to load FX up on the global inserts
> (card A) and record on card B (with various compressors, FX, etc. and lots
> of resource room.) I understand the global FX are assigned to card A, but
> then I can't record to card B (sumbix 2 where my per channel compression
> is.) If I assign the submix to different cards, it doesn't matter because
> now submix two is card A and there are no resources left for the global
> inserts. Of course, now submix one has all kinds of resources, but I can't
> record to it. Is this a Catch-22? Am I just an idiot? (ok, don't answer
> that!)
>
> Do you have to be happy with the resources on the card you are recording
> with (both mixer and global inserts) as there is no sharing of resources?
>
> Thanks
>
> Kent
>
>
>I've been using this "swap", but I lose the global inserts when I switch
card A to a different submix. I guess you just have to redo the global
inserts.
Can I hook my old 442 to the second card?
Thanks John.
Kent
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43bb1b28@linux...
> You need 1 mec per submix, otherwise you have to swap them around for
> recording. Also use Virtual submixes if you need to playback more
> submixes than you have EDS cards.
>
>
> Throw that MEC around. This is a REALLY QUICK way to throw your MEC and
> Patchbay from submix to submix. With practice you can do it in less
> than 10 seconds. Need 16 more tracks? Throw that MEC around.
>
> How to move your MEC from submix to submix for a 2 card system.
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------
--------------------
> In this example, the MEC is tied to EDS card 1 and is assigned to submix
> 1 with EDS card 2 assigned to submix 2.
>
> Open Master Mixer.
> Assign submix 1 card A to virtual ***. This disconnects EDS card 1 from
> submix 1
> Assign submix 2 card B to card A. This assigns the MEC and EDS card 1
> to submix 2.
> Assign submix 1 to card B.
>
> This allows 1 to be fully functional and tied to EDS card 2. Make sure
> to turn CARD back on from Virtual.
>
> To revert to the default setup.
> Assign submix 1 card B to virtual ***. This disconnects EDS card 2 from
> submix 1
> Assign submix 2 card A to card B. This assigns the MEC and EDS card 2
> to submix 2.
> Assign submix 1 to card A.
>
> This puts submix 1 back on card A. Make sure to turn CARD back on from
> Virtual.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------
--------------------
> How to move your MEC from submix to submix for a 1 card system.
> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------
--------------------
> In this example, the MEC is tied to EDS card 1 and is assigned to submix
1.
>
> Open Master Mixer.
> Assign submix 1 card A to virtual. This disconnects EDS card 1 from
> submix 1
> Assign submix 2 card A. This assigns the MEC and EDS card 1 to
> submix 2.
>
> To revert to the default setup.
> Assign submix 2 to virtual. This disconnects EDS card 2 from submix 1
> Assign submix 1 to card A. This assigns the MEC and EDS card 1 back
> to submix 1.
>
> Make sure to turn CARD back on from Virtual.
>
>
> RK wrote:
> > So I got the two cards hooked up (I don't necessarily need 32 channels,
but
> > want extra FX resources) and I want to load FX up on the global inserts
> > (card A) and record on card B (with various compressors, FX, etc. and
lots
> > of resource room.) I understand the global FX are assigned to card A,
but
> > then I can't record to card B (sumbix 2 where my per channel compression
> > is.) If I assign the submix to different cards, it doesn't matter
because
> > now submix two is card A and there are no resources left for the global
> > inserts. Of course, now submix one has all kinds of resources, but I
can't
> > record to it. Is this a Catch-22? Am I just an idiot? (ok, don't
answer
> > that!)
> >
> > Do you have to be happy with the resources on the card you are recording
> > with (both mixer and global inserts) as there is no sharing of
resources?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Kent
> >
> >
> >Can anyone add or clarify my new list of Paris no nos ?
Things to keep you from crashing.
In STOP mode
DON'T
* select a new Native Effect if the current one is open
* enter record mode without first setting your record path (Ctrl-R)
* use the name of the project for your recording path
* save with looping enabled
During Playback or Recording
DON'T
* change inserts (native or eds)
* move loop or punch points
* enable or disable loop or punch
Rendering
DON'T
* render tracks with different lengths
NoLimit
DON'T
* use 0 or 50 valuesI don't know that answer. Hopefully the guru's will chime in. I don't
see a copy in the Master Mixer window either.
RK wrote:
> I've been using this "swap", but I lose the global inserts when I switch
> card A to a different submix. I guess you just have to redo the global
> inserts.
>
> Can I hook my old 442 to the second card?
>
> Thanks John.
>
> Kent
>
> "John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43bb1b28@linux...
>
>>You need 1 mec per submix, otherwise you have to swap them around for
>>recording. Also use Virtual submixes if you need to playback more
>>submixes than you have EDS cards.
>>
>>
>>Throw that MEC around. This is a REALLY QUICK way to throw your MEC and
>>Patchbay from submix to submix. With practice you can do it in less
>>than 10 seconds. Need 16 more tracks? Throw that MEC around.
>>
>>How to move your MEC from submix to submix for a 2 card system.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------
>
> --------------------
>
>>In this example, the MEC is tied to EDS card 1 and is assigned to submix
>>1 with EDS card 2 assigned to submix 2.
>>
>>Open Master Mixer.
>>Assign submix 1 card A to virtual ***. This disconnec
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Tue, 03 January 2006 19:45 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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listen and comment (especially regarding my screw ups with
PARIS or whatever that upset your ears!).
This CD was mastered by a professional at his mastering studio.
Thank you very much.
Best regards,
Jim
Athlon 1.2MHz
1 MEC, 16 in, 16 out
2 EDS cards
UAD
VST
Jim Romanow
Box 676
Storrs, CT 06268
balhat@earthlink.netTry uping your cache.
"jef knight" <thestudio@allknightmusic.com> wrote in message
news:43bb23ef@linux...
> sometimes, when playing, if I hit play again it locks up.
>
> John wrote:
>
>> Can anyone add or clarify my new list of Paris no nos ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Things to keep you from crashing.
>>
>>
>> In STOP mode
>>
>> DON'T
>> * select a new Native Effect if the current one is open
>> * enter record mode without first setting your record path
>> (Ctrl-R)
>> * use the name of the project for your recording path
>> * save with looping enabled
>>
>> During Playback or Recording
>>
>> DON'T
>> * change inserts (native or eds)
>> * move loop or punch points
>> * enable or disable loop or punch
>>
>> Rendering
>> DON'T
>> * render tracks with different lengths
>>
>> NoLimit
>>
>> DON'T
>> * use 0 or 50 valuesfor some reason messing with the audio window browse slider seems to really
tick off Paris most of the time.
AA
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43bb2108@linux...
> Can anyone add or clarify my new list of Paris no nos ?
>
>
>
> Things to keep you from crashing.
>
>
> In STOP mode
>
> DON'T
> * select a new Native Effect if the current one is open
> * enter record mode without first setting your record path (Ctrl-R)
> * use the name of the project for your recording path
> * save with looping enabled
>
> During Playback or Recording
>
> DON'T
> * change inserts (native or eds)
> * move loop or punch points
> * enable or disable loop or punch
>
> Rendering
>
> DON'T
> * render tracks with different lengths
>
> NoLimit
>
> DON'T
> * use 0 or 50 valuesHate to say it pete but MP3.. I've been burned by the 'oh, we don't support
that codec/format' thing too many times, and MP3 is not going anywhere
anytime soon. If I want the better res version I put the real thing in the
CD/DVD player. I'm pretty much on the go these days though, and I don't need
hassles.
YMMV
AA
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:43b5ecc4$1@linux...
>
> Just got a 60gig Ipod and I'm going to start importing my cd
> collection tonight.Just wondering which formats are used most and
> which bit rates.Seems like AAC might be the way to go.I could
> also see doing a mixture of AAC and Wavs or Apple Lossless.
> One thing that confused me;it says Apple Lossless gives you the
> same quality as AIFF and Wav,but is half the size.Can it really
> be the same quality in half the size?
>
> Anyway,this looks to be a really fun toy and putting mixes on
> it versus the whole cd burning thing will be quite cool.
>
> Happy Holidays,
> PeteKeep notes bro, every time you build. Funny how those little snags are
always the ones that kick us in the sack for days until we cry like Homer
"DOH" and realize just what we forgot.
AA
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
news:43b985f7$1@linux...
> Found the problem. Didn't have the "allow users to change my files"
> settings
> clicked on the SX computer so though I could transfer from the SX DAw to
> the
> Paris DAW (backasswards from what I need to be doing), I couldn't transfer
> from the Paris DAw to the Cubase DAW. Pilot error .......as usual.
>
> Seems like I need to build a DAW a week just to keep my syanpses firing
> properly. When I go for a couple of years, I forget one of the
> 327443333333337892 simple little things that are necessary to make this
> happen.
>
> I did talk to Chris Ludwig earlier today. It ws gratifying to know that
> 99.9% of the wierdness I've experienced while building this DAW has also
> been encountered by others.
>
> OK.......now where was I????
>
> ;o)
>
> "EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
> news:43b97979$1@linux...
>> That was the issue here... sometimes it would work, other times... not
>> so much.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> DJ wrote:
>> > Nope......didn't work after all.........Grrrrrrrr ...........;o(
>> >
>> > "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote in message
>> > news:43b972eb$1@linux...
>> >
>> >>I fixed this by going into my ME networking and setting up a the drives
> to
>> >>access using a password. I have no idea why it should need this now,
>> >>but
>> >>it's just a small thing and it's working now so I'm not gonna worry
> about
>> >>it. pita though.
>> >>
>> >>Deej
>> >>
>> >>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>> >>news:43b95eb1@linux...
>> >>
>> >>>Our networking guys for the office shudder everytime they hear "ME"...
>> >>> we actually had to remove ME from all our office machines because
>> >>>they were so unstable with the new network we installed recently.
>> >>>
>> >>>David.
>> >>>
>> >>>DJ wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>What's strange about this is that it was workig perfectly with my
>> >
>> > other
>> >
>> >>DAW.
>> >>
>> >>>>I hven't made any changes at all to any settings on the Paris DAW
>> >>
>> >>running
>> >>
>> >>>>ME.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"EK Sound" <spamnot.info@eksoundNO.com> wrote in message
>> >>>>news:43b952b4$1@linux...
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>ME does NOT play nice with NT/2000/XP for networking. You may want
> to
>> >>>>>look at going back to 98SE instead as this is way more network
>> >
>> > friendly.
>> >
>> >>>>>David.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>DJ wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>I just set up my network connections between both my DAWs. They are
>> >>>>
>> >>>>seeing
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>>each other's HD's and I have unrestricted sharing set. However, I
>> >
>> > can't
>> >
>> >>>>>>transfer files from my Paris DAW anymore. For some reason, even
>> >
>> > though
>> >
>> >>>>the
>>
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Wed, 04 January 2006 08:54 |
TCB
Messages: 1261
Registered: July 2007
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r />
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> skrev i melding news:43bbc437$1@linux...
> And after all the things we did for that schmuck...made him the EA he is
> today....sheesh!
>
> Don
>
> ;-)
>
>Curious as to what he moved to from Paris. From what I've read of his older
posts, and the fact he made an instructional video, seemed like he was
pretty happy with Paris.
Edna
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43bbf0ce@linux...
> Maybe that was the problem. I think the man BrianT just wanted a real
life,
> not only breathing here with his pen, year after year ;-)
>
> Erling
>
> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> skrev i melding news:43bbc437$1@linux...
> > And after all the things we did for that schmuck...made him the EA he is
> > today....sheesh!
> >
> > Don
> >
> > ;-)
> >
> >
>
>Man this thing needs Autotune!
....and if anyone ever tried it I'd personally break their fucking legs.
Nice stuff indeed...love the whole vibe
Don
"Jim Romanow" <balhat@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:43bb4608$1@linux...
>
> Hello and Happy New Year!
> I recently released a CD that was recorded completely in PARIS. It was
> mixed
> in PARIS too but Distressors and a Rane MOJO compressor were enlisted
> mainly
> to process the bass, snare and kick on a few occasions. MP3 samples of all
> the songs are available at www.imaginaryfreds.com
>
> I have worked on many local musicians' projects but am hardly a seasoned
> recording engineer like many of you. This is a great newsgroup and I have
> followed your threads for years in an effort to improve my knowledge of
> PARIS.
> Although I have nothing useful to offer in return, I would be grateful if
> some of you could listen and comment (especially regarding my screw ups
> with
> PARIS or whatever that upset your ears!).
>
> This CD was mastered by a professional at his mastering studio.
>
> Thank you very much.
> Best regards,
> Jim
>
> Athlon 1.2MHz
> 1 MEC, 16 in, 16 out
> 2 EDS cards
> UAD
> VST
>
>
> Jim Romanow
> Box 676
> Storrs, CT 06268
> balhat@earthlink.netYeah, he and Edmund told us how great it was and then bailed on us.
Right? Tell me if I'm wrong.
Edna wrote:
> Curious as to what he moved to from Paris. From what I've read of his older
> posts, and the fact he made an instructional video, seemed like he was
> pretty happy with Paris.
> Edna
>
> "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43bbf0ce@linux...
>
>>Maybe that was the problem. I think the man BrianT just wanted a real
>
> life,
>
>>not only breathing here with his pen, year after year ;-)
>>
>>Erling
>>
>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> skrev i melding news:43bbc437$1@linux...
>>
>>>And after all the things we did for that schmuck...made him the EA he is
>>>today....sheesh!
>>>
>>>Don
>>>
>>>;-)
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>DJ sent me some new SE mic example files and they're up on the PARIS File
Vault site:
http://www.mercysakes.com/paris/Doug%20Joyce/More%20SE%20Exa mples/
Enjoy!
TonyDon't "undo record" while Paris is in the middle of creating overviews
for 32 audio tracks 1.5 hours long.... BOOM! ;-)
David.
John wrote:
> Can anyone add or clarify my new list of Paris no nos ?
>
>
>
> Things to keep you from crashing.
>
>
> In STOP mode
>
> DON'T
> * select a new Native Effect if the current one is open
> * enter record mode without first setting your record path (Ctrl-R)
> * use the name of the project for your recording path
> * save with looping enabled
>
> During Playback or Recording
>
> DON'T
> * change inserts (native or eds)
> * move loop or punch points
> * enable or disable loop or punch
>
> Rendering
>
> DON'T
> * render tracks with different lengths
>
> NoLimit
>
> DON'T
> * use 0 or 50 valuesAny chance some company might pick up Paris? A shame to waste. Curious
that EMU bailed as well.
"John" <no@no.com> wrote in message news:43bbf7e6@linux...
> Yeah, he and Edmund told us how great it was and then bailed on us.
> Right? Tell me if I'm wrong.
>
> Edna wrote:
> > Curious as to what he moved to from Paris. From what I've read of his
older
> > posts, and the fact he made an instructional video, seemed like he was
> > pretty happy with Paris.
> > Edna
> >
> > "erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote in message news:43bbf0ce@linux...
> >
> >>Maybe that was the problem. I think the man BrianT just wanted a real
> >
> > life,
> >
> >>not only breathing here with his pen, year after year ;-)
> >>
> >>Erling
> >>
> >>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> skrev i melding news:43bbc437$1@linux...
> >>
> >>>And after all the things we did for that schmuck...made him the EA he
is
> >>>today....sheesh!
> >>>
> >>>Don
> >>>
> >>>;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >The last I heard, Brian was still using Nuendo and possibly still doing some
mixing in PARIS. Aaron Allen might know for sure though. Actually, Brian T
was here a while after Edmund left. I wouldn't exactly say he bailed either.
He just had to face the truth like the rest of us. PARIS is a "dead" system.
It doesn't mean we still can't make good use of it. I think the majority of
people here have moved on to other software completely, or in conjunction
somehow
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