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| Re: sticking with paris ( More Mac Paris info) [message #86516 is a reply to message #86504] |
Tue, 12 June 2007 17:36   |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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put it on master BUT make sure to remove any IDE devices on that same cable.
:)
AA
"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:466efdee$1@linux...
>
> Try putting the jumper on Master and see if it shows up. If that doesn't
> work, you could also try moving the jumper around.
>
> "jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>
>>James--
>>yeah, the thing seems to whine a bit at times,
>>but it was always quieter than the HD that came with the mac--
>>i took off the jumper (j50), which was supposed to allow the Maxotr
>>to turn into a slave, and then the Maxtor didn't show up
>>at all!! not even in the system profiler.
>>
>>i regret that i don't understand this stuff more.
>>but thanks to you--
>>jp
>>
>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>I think a FireWire case would be a better bet. Those old G3s only had
> the
>>>slower USB v1.
>>>
>>>Back to the question, does the drive make any noise?
>>>
>>>James
>>>
>>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>Hey JP.. I have another idea. Buy a cheap USB case and stick the drive
>>in
>>>
>>>>it. Boot another computer and plug it in. See if you get the same
>>>>results.
>>>
>>>>This eliminates completely it being your mac IDE bus. Also, I don't
>>>>know,
>>>
>>>>but is it possible to boot that machine from USB? Might be something
>>>>else
>>>to
>>>>try and having a USB removable IDE-> USB is really not a bad thing.
>>>>
>>>>AA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote in message news:466aed12$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>> the technical answer to this is a little beyond me--
>>>>> i seem to remember an enginner, while describing
>>>>> thie bake (no shake) technique, saying that it had to do
>>>>> with removing any accumulated humidity and getting
>>>>> those little particles to stand up straight.
>>>>> a "real" engineer could give you the straight dope on
>>>>> this. i am sure that you can only bake your tape once,
>>>>> and you'd better have a way to store the data immediately-- curiously
>>>
>>>>> again,
>>>>> just like freeze drying a hard disc.
>>>>> jp
>>>>>
>>>>> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>>>>>>To bake a cake, sorry, a tape;-), wasn't it to get rid of the copy
>>>>>>effect
>>>>> we
>>>>>>often heard before the tune started?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>news:46690c43@linux...
>>>>>>> What is funny, is that you "freeze"drives to get the data from it,
>>but
>>>>> you
>>>>>>> '"bake" audio tapes to get the data from them.....
>>>>>>> Who woulda thought??
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Martin Harrington
>>>>>>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>> 0414 913 247
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote in message news:466780ea@linux...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> oh, and no--
>>>>>>>> the maxor doesn't show up under "start up disks"--
>>>>>>>> it's curious that no driver is listed in the system profiler for
>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maxtor,
>>>>>>>> though it's worked for a number of years and only recently started
>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> flake
>>>>>>>> out--
>>>>>>>> i'm thinking of going with the freezer suggestions next, though
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>> no
>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>> what this means, how cold to get it,when to take it out,
>>>>>>>> or what the condensation factor will have....
>>>>>>>> or, for that matter, how to cook it later and whether a marinade
> is
>>>>>>>> appropriate
>>>>>>>> or a simple
>>>>>>>> searing in a hot pan with a little olive oil...
>>>>>>>> the whole thing is getting pretty funny in a sorta frustrating way
>>>>>>>> thanks again again
>>>>>>>> jp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>James, one more time--
>>>>>>>>>okay
>>>>>>>>>system profiler finds:
>>>>>>>>>"internal ATA 1 ID=O Hard Drive no volumes mounted"
>>>>>>>>>this is the maxtor, but don't know where to go from here.
>>>>>>>>>also, profiler says the unformatted size is 27.54 gig, though the
>>
>>>>>>>>>maxtor
>>>>>>>>>is 40???
>>>>>>>>>jp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Was the Maxtor a boot able drive? If so, see if you can go under
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Start
>>>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>>>>disk" and see if it's in there? Is the drive making any noise
> like
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>spin
>>>>>>>>>>up and spin down. The head arm might be stuck. You might want
> to
>>>try
>>>>>>>> tapping
>>>>>>>>>>on the side of the drive lightly. Beware you could damage the
>>>>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>doing
>>>>>>>>>>this how ever, what do you have to lose. I'd have a drive ready
>>>to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>transfer
>>>>>>>>>>files to.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The drive might be shot. Here are a few suggestions:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Call Apple, they have ways of retrieving data. I had a HD head
> crash
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>the drive died. They told me they could transfer my data to the
> new
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>>>>they were replacing on my ibook.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Disk Savers, this would cost some money though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Last you could send the drive to me and I will see if I can get
> your
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>data
>>>>>>>>>>back, when I have spare time to work on it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What ever you decide to do, good luck!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I'll catch you tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Hey again James--
>>>>>>>>>>>yeah, i did all that and
>>>>>>>>>>>ran Disk Warrior, all the stuff--
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>i figure i'm totally fubarred at this point--
>>>>>>>>>>>got to get real, buy a new system, forget my old audio files
>>>>>>>>>>>and start over.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>but thank YOU particularly for the help
>>>>>>>>>>>jp
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you try disk first aid? If not, try to run Disk First Aid
>>from
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>OS
>>>>>>>>>>>>9 installer CD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>oh, great--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>now a lot more considerations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>i'm at my wits end(not a far walk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and can't figure out how to proceed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>my G3 doesn't respond to the maxtor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>my lacie cd writer only gets it right 20% of the time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>my audio files are unavailable thanks to the maxor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>and my latest CD release is totally fubar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>(thanks-- sincerely-- James McCloskey)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>jp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>One more thing. Be aware that the firewire buss on blue and
>>white
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>G3's did not like more than one thing plugged into it...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dumb huh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't know when they fixed that, and it may apply to G4's
> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A FW hub solves it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh, also, B&W G3's will not run a current mac KB and Mouse!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They only run the original leetle KB and the silly round mouse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that came with them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Use a USB hub and the current KB's and mice work fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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| Re: sticking with paris ( More Mac Paris info) [message #86616 is a reply to message #86516] |
Thu, 14 June 2007 12:13 |
jp
Messages: 65
Registered: June 2005
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the maxtor is the audio HD-- if I remove the (mac)startup HD,
then what?
(mac G3 beige)
thanks AA
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>put it on master BUT make sure to remove any IDE devices on that same cable.
>
>:)
>
>AA
>
>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:466efdee$1@linux...
>>
>> Try putting the jumper on Master and see if it shows up. If that doesn't
>> work, you could also try moving the jumper around.
>>
>> "jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>James--
>>>yeah, the thing seems to whine a bit at times,
>>>but it was always quieter than the HD that came with the mac--
>>>i took off the jumper (j50), which was supposed to allow the Maxotr
>>>to turn into a slave, and then the Maxtor didn't show up
>>>at all!! not even in the system profiler.
>>>
>>>i regret that i don't understand this stuff more.
>>>but thanks to you--
>>>jp
>>>
>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>I think a FireWire case would be a better bet. Those old G3s only had
>> the
>>>>slower USB v1.
>>>>
>>>>Back to the question, does the drive make any noise?
>>>>
>>>>James
>>>>
>>>>"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>>>>>Hey JP.. I have another idea. Buy a cheap USB case and stick the drive
>>>in
>>>>
>>>>>it. Boot another computer and plug it in. See if you get the same
>>>>>results.
>>>>
>>>>>This eliminates completely it being your mac IDE bus. Also, I don't
>>>>>know,
>>>>
>>>>>but is it possible to boot that machine from USB? Might be something
>>>>>else
>>>>to
>>>>>try and having a USB removable IDE-> USB is really not a bad thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>AA
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote in message news:466aed12$1@linux...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the technical answer to this is a little beyond me--
>>>>>> i seem to remember an enginner, while describing
>>>>>> thie bake (no shake) technique, saying that it had to do
>>>>>> with removing any accumulated humidity and getting
>>>>>> those little particles to stand up straight.
>>>>>> a "real" engineer could give you the straight dope on
>>>>>> this. i am sure that you can only bake your tape once,
>>>>>> and you'd better have a way to store the data immediately-- curiously
>>>>
>>>>>> again,
>>>>>> just like freeze drying a hard disc.
>>>>>> jp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "erlilo" <erlingl@tdcadsl.dk> wrote:
>>>>>>>To bake a cake, sorry, a tape;-), wasn't it to get rid of the copy
>>>>>>>effect
>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>often heard before the tune started?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Erling
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> skrev i en meddelelse
>>>>>>>news:46690c43@linux...
>>>>>>>> What is funny, is that you "freeze"drives to get the data from it,
>>>but
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> '"bake" audio tapes to get the data from them.....
>>>>>>>> Who woulda thought??
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Martin Harrington
>>>>>>>> www.lendanear-sound.com
>>>>>>>> 0414 913 247
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote in message news:466780ea@linux...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> oh, and no--
>>>>>>>>> the maxor doesn't show up under "start up disks"--
>>>>>>>>> it's curious that no driver is listed in the system profiler for
>>>the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> maxtor,
>>>>>>>>> though it's worked for a number of years and only recently started
>>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> flake
>>>>>>>>> out--
>>>>>>>>> i'm thinking of going with the freezer suggestions next, though
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> idea
>>>>>>>>> what this means, how cold to get it,when to take it out,
>>>>>>>>> or what the condensation factor will have....
>>>>>>>>> or, for that matter, how to cook it later and whether a marinade
>> is
>>>>>>>>> appropriate
>>>>>>>>> or a simple
>>>>>>>>> searing in a hot pan with a little olive oil...
>>>>>>>>> the whole thing is getting pretty funny in a sorta frustrating
way
>>>>>>>>> thanks again again
>>>>>>>>> jp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>James, one more time--
>>>>>>>>>>okay
>>>>>>>>>>system profiler finds:
>>>>>>>>>>"internal ATA 1 ID=O Hard Drive no volumes mounted"
>>>>>>>>>>this is the maxtor, but don't know where to go from here.
>>>>>>>>>>also, profiler says the unformatted size is 27.54 gig, though the
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>maxtor
>>>>>>>>>>is 40???
>>>>>>>>>>jp
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Was the Maxtor a boot able drive? If so, see if you can go under
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Start
>>>>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>>>>>disk" and see if it's in there? Is the drive making any noise
>> like
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>spin
>>>>>>>>>>>up and spin down. The head arm might be stuck. You might want
>> to
>>>>try
>>>>>>>>> tapping
>>>>>>>>>>>on the side of the drive lightly. Beware you could damage the
>>>>>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>doing
>>>>>>>>>>>this how ever, what do you have to lose. I'd have a drive ready
>>>>to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>transfer
>>>>>>>>>>>files to.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>The drive might be shot. Here are a few suggestions:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Call Apple, they have ways of retrieving data. I had a HD head
>> crash
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>the drive died. They told me they could transfer my data to the
>> new
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>drive
>>>>>>>>>>>they were replacing on my ibook.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Disk Savers, this would cost some money though.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Last you could send the drive to me and I will see if I can get
>> your
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>data
>>>>>>>>>>>back, when I have spare time to work on it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>What ever you decide to do, good luck!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I'll catch you tomorrow.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hey again James--
>>>>>>>>>>>>yeah, i did all that and
>>>>>>>>>>>>ran Disk Warrior, all the stuff--
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>i figure i'm totally fubarred at this point--
>>>>>>>>>>>>got to get real, buy a new system, forget my old audio files
>>>>>>>>>>>>and start over.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>but thank YOU particularly for the help
>>>>>>>>>>>>jp
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"James McCloskey" <excelsm@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you try disk first aid? If not, try to run Disk First Aid
>>>from
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>OS
>>>>>>>>>>>>>9 installer CD.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"jp" <jpj@jpjones.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>oh, great--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>now a lot more considerations
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>i'm at my wits end(not a far walk)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and can't figure out how to proceed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my G3 doesn't respond to the maxtor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my lacie cd writer only gets it right 20% of the time,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>my audio files are unavailable thanks to the maxor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and my latest CD release is totally fubar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>help!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(thanks-- sincerely-- James McCloskey)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>jp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"DC" <dc@spammersinhell.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>One more thing. Be aware that the firewire buss on blue and
>>>white
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>G3's did not like more than one thing plugged into it...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dumb huh?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I don't know when they fixed that, and it may apply to G4's
>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>A FW hub solves it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh, also, B&W G3's will not run a current mac KB and Mouse!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They only run the original leetle KB and the silly round mouse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that came with them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Use a USB hub and the current KB's and mice work fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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