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| Selling my Paris? [message #98923] |
Sat, 24 May 2008 19:16  |
Clifford Coulter
Messages: 6
Registered: January 2006
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I have two complete PARIS systems
#1 has Mac G4 750 with 2EDS 1000 cards
2 of the one rack space interfaces
I'm not sure what the model number is
but they only made two interfaces
the MEC and this one
#2 has a MAC G4 dual 1000 with 2EDS Cards
and 2 control 16 surface blue
2 MEC's
Ihave an extra control 16 black face
they both have the latest PARIS software installed
and they sync up
I'm just trying to see what I can get for this stuff
the gear is in San Jose CA.
I am in Beijing I will be going back home sometime in July
to sell somethings and move to China
I'm not completely sure that I will sell my PARIS gear
but if I get the right offer.
anyone interested please feel free to contact me
THX.
Clifford
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| Re: Selling my Paris? [message #98937 is a reply to message #98936] |
Sun, 25 May 2008 10:15  |
mike audet[3]
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Registered: June 2008
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Well, I've been adding effects as quickly as I can, and I'm going to fix up
the driver at some point. I'm personally happy with the PARIS software.
I'm just wondering what exactly causes people to bail.
All the best,
Mike
"Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
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>Mike,
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>In my case, the rig has just been collecting a lot of dust and to top it
>off I have had to re-arrange things due to space restrictions.
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>I'm afraid that by the time I have enough project space to get everything
>going again, the rig will just be more obsolete and worth zero. I've been
>out of the loop for a long time, what new development are you referring
to?
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>-Brian
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>"Mike Audet" <mike@..> wrote:
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>>Hi Guys,
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>>Do you mind if I ask why you guys are selling? I'm just trying to figure
>>out what the best next step is for me in terms of PARIS software development.
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>>All the best,
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>>Mike
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>>"Brian Milton" <bcmilton@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"John" <no@no.com> wrote:
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>>>>I'm not sure what the going rates are but my experience has been that
>it
>>>will
>>>>go much much quicker if you sell as separates.
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>>>I'm in the same boat, debating selling my whole Paris rig. I'm guessing
>>>that people are mostly wanting to grab up the EDS and i/o cards. You probably
>>>won't need a MEC unless you are wanting to start out from scratch with
>Paris.
>>> Will the MEC have any value at all if I part out the rig or will it just
>>>be a boat anchor?
>>>
>>>-Brian
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| Re: Selling my Paris? [message #98943 is a reply to message #98942] |
Sun, 25 May 2008 11:23 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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Old fashioned eh? I haven't seen anyone toss a Neve or API piece in the
garbage because it's not the new and improved whatever. :)
I mean, there are issues with staying with paris in certain situations, like
working in the video field or having to use midi that actually works or
virtual instruments. But I think you're right about the latency thing and it
'is' a big deal. However, you didn't mention the SCOPE stuff and the latency
on those is also pretty wicked low so PT is not the only alternative to the
working man. To be honest, I'm really rather amazed that Deej sold his SCOPE
gear. The only gotcha I've found is the control/interface GUI. It doth suck,
and is not easily understood. What will eventually kill Paris for every one
of us though is going to be the death of a usable PCI slot. Once that
happens it's over, really, .....but ..... hopefully by then someone will
have built a great DSP emulation of the EDS card (cough) that runs on a
native CPU.
AA
"Mike Audet" <mike@...> wrote in message news:4839aedc$1@linux...
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> Hi John,
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> I agree with all of this except I never crash in either OS. That part is
> weird.
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> I still feel that latency above 1.5 ms is too high, and the only other
> option
> for that is Pro Tools HD. I'm suspicious that the 1.5 ms setting in the
> RME stuff is for in or out, and a round trip is actually 3 ms. That's
> fine
> for some, but not for me.
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> As for latency, I'm going to try to make an eds effect send mixer thingy
> to be able to blend tracks with auxes with no latency between them. We'll
> see how it goes.
>
> Besides that, I like the PARIS application. I like the way the editing
> works.
> I like the mixed, and the C16.
>
> Maybe I'm just old fashioned. :)
>
> Mike
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| Re: Selling my Paris? [message #98949 is a reply to message #98945] |
Sun, 25 May 2008 13:55 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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Definitely a big step in the right direction, IMO. If my understanding of
the structures is correct, having the same 'vat' of headroom will be * key
to that paris sound, so there is likely to be some math involved on the
front and back end moving bitrates around. That would likely be the ticket
here, if we could emulate the mix bus and insert 'that' as a VST in the mix
bus of native DAWs. The next hurdle I'd see is getting it to work correctly
past 48k, which may or may not be a hurdle, but it's an important feature.
If Doug W can make that fader pack affordable and usable with both Paris and
Native-land it will also help greatly with the paris to native transitions.
Some folks aren't going to go easily, some have already left and some (like
myself) are using which ever tool best suits the situation at hand. Native
latency still stinks on the overall, IMO. You gotta spend lots to fix it,
although I'm hoping the Yamaha / Steiny thing will resolve much of that.
The reason I say the emulation is that you can load up an emulation device
(and use ASIO to address the unknown audio interface), fire the Paris
software to it, and load as many vitual EDS cards as you want or need (not
to be confused with the native mixes available.. those SUCK and I seriously
doubt there is any code addressing I/O options) up to 8 submixes. To me,
that makes sense, and why Doug's interface would be so important to the
package, and it addresses the dead/dying PCI slot issue completely. The cool
thing about approaching that way is that you can address a piece of hardware
acceleration if necessary to offload, like the EDS card would, tasking and
keep latency insanely low. Say, Affinity to a multi core CPU, because we
know that's where it's going. Or a Firewire interface. Or USB. Or PCIe. Or
whatever you want, really. Pretty open field.
Now, for the video folks it's pretty likely that they already have the app
of choice, in which the VST / mixbus plugs make sense. I'd guess what's
needed is a poll of which group folks reside in so you can figure on
priority once possibility has been determined? Plans are easy, it's time and
resources that are tough.
AA
* Key in that the alternative might result in how we have to tiptoe around
the UAD in paris on some plugs that make the KAK sound
"Mike Audet" <mike@..> wrote in message news:4839b93b$1@linux...
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>>have built a great DSP emulation of the EDS card (cough) that runs on a
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>>native CPU.
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> Would a port of all the effects to VST be close enough?
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| Re: Selling my Paris? [message #98951 is a reply to message #98949] |
Sun, 25 May 2008 15:26 |
mike audet[3]
Messages: 88
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Hi Aaron,
I can read the assembly language and translate that to c++ easily enough,
but I don't know the first thing about making an emulator. I think that's
just beyond me.
I suspect that the biggest thing about the PARIS sound is the quality of
the D/A and A/D converters and the effects. I can take a look at the mix
bus, but I can almost guarantee that there isn't much to see. It's probably
just adding the tracks together and dividing them by the number of tracks.
if I remember right, it drops the volume by 6 db before mixing them and
makes it up after. But, that's it. It's probably doing it at 48 bit integer
resolution (inside the MAC of the chips) before truncating. We could use
64 bits in the VST stuff.
The sound is probably a combination of the converters and the cumulative
effect of the eqs, compressors, reverbs, etc. When you blend it all together,
you have the PARIS sound. We'll get some of it by porting the effects, but
the sound of the converters will be lost to those who decide to move on to
other hardware, whether we make an emulator or not.
As for sample rate, all the effects have to take into account sample rate
for 44.1 and 48k. That math is already being done. It will be cool to hear
how the effects sound at 96k.
Personally, I'm not planning to move on ever anyway, though. :)
All the best,
Mike
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| Re: Selling my Paris? [message #99012 is a reply to message #99009] |
Thu, 29 May 2008 21:35 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
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Magma babee...!
.... assuming that a usable PCIe is available and a Magma works with it. I
can see a day when that could end, though. Even Digi sees the light on that
with the whole mBox series. It's all gonna go virtual on us man.
> How about an emulation of the ESP chip that runs on an FPGA?
I would love to see it man. Absolutely love to see it. I was kinda thinking
at least for now that 'old' graphics cards (UAD, cough cough) could be just
what the doc ordered. Real time 4 band per channel EQ just shouldn't be that
big a deal now with the VST Paris EQ available, and with CPU's what they are
these days, neither are plugs. However, by keeping it in EDS land for the
code, Mike is all but assured some kind of friendly dongle to stop pirating
without infecting our boxes with PACEware or it's equivalent. I love that
idea, personally. If you can do that on FPGA, dude... perfect. If it could
run on firewire w/o bandwidth issues, I'd say it's pretty well forseeable
futureproof. What kind of socket/slot would you think best fits?
AA
"Doug Wellington" <doug@parisfaqs.com> wrote in message
news:483f7b76@linux...
> Aaron Allen wrote:
>> What will eventually kill Paris for every one of us though
> > is going to be the death of a usable PCI slot.
>
> Magma babee...!
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>> hopefully by then someone will have built a great DSP
> > emulation of the EDS card (cough) that runs on a native CPU.
>
> How about an emulation of the ESP chip that runs on an FPGA?
>
> Doug
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> http://www.parisfaqs.com
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| Re: Selling my Paris? [message #99029 is a reply to message #99025] |
Sun, 01 June 2008 17:59 |
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That's great news, Deej, thanks.
I think the Magma chassis offers the most promising way forward for PARIS
folks. Looks like after the community sources a development rig the next
thing needed might be a development Magma chassis so the rig can be tested
with a variety of modern systems.
- Kerry
On 5/31/08 9:42 PM, in article 484228a1$1@linux, "Deej" <noway@jose.net>
wrote:
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> "Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
>> Magma babee...!
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>> ... assuming that a usable PCIe is available and a Magma works with it.
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> I am currently running 2 x 13 slot 32 bit Magma chassis, one of them with
> the new Magma PCIe host card that interfaces via the round SCSI type cable
> to a PCI host card in the Magma.
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> slots 1, 5, 7 and 11 in the 13 slot Magma will host PCI cards that share
> a common driver so they can all live on a single IRQ if the host card is
> interfaced with the proper MOBO slot.
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> in one magma I'm running 4 x UAD-1's (slots 1, 5, 7 & 11) and 2 x Powercore
> cards (slots 2 & 4) on IRQ 19 aand 20 of the new DAW and in the other Magma
> hat is interfacing via PCIe, I'm running an RME HDSP 9652, a MADI and an
> AES32 in slots 1, 5 and 11 of the Magma and these cards are populating IRQ
> 18 of the new DAW.
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> It runs like a bat outta' hell with 1.5ms latency so this would indicate
> to me that the new PCIe Host card for the recent generation of Magmas that
> use the round cable (can be had for around $500.00 on EBay) will definitely
> carry the EDS card (at least 6 x of them)into the future with PCIe based
> mobos.
>
> Worry about other things.....not this.
>
> ;o)
>
"... being bitter is like swallowing poison and waiting for the other guy to die..." - anon
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