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Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106149] Fri, 18 March 2011 16:09 Go to next message
Doug Wellington is currently offline  Doug Wellington   UNITED STATES
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I posted a couple polls in the PARIS: Projects section, but so far only four people have responded, and that's not critical mass yet. Please let me know if you're interested in having me work on any of the old projects again...

Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106150 is a reply to message #106149] Fri, 18 March 2011 16:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Ted Gerber is currently offline  Ted Gerber   CANADA
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Voting yes again. Does that count for 2?
Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106151 is a reply to message #106150] Fri, 18 March 2011 16:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Jim Drago[2] is currently offline  Jim Drago[2]   
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Interested in the line-lump option Kerry mentioned, probably won't ever be able to go for the motorized faders because of the $$$. I only do this for fun...and as a hobby.

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Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106167 is a reply to message #106149] Mon, 21 March 2011 13:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Doug,

I'm voting yes! And, I'm offering to help any way I can.

Let's talk.

Mike
Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106410 is a reply to message #106167] Sun, 15 May 2011 14:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
uptown jimmy is currently offline  uptown jimmy   UNITED STATES
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Would the motorized fader box include transport controls and such? How would it behave across multiple submixes?

Jimmy
Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106436 is a reply to message #106410] Wed, 18 May 2011 15:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Will The Weirdo is currently offline  Will The Weirdo   
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Yes to the ADAT first.
Yes to the C-16 second.
Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106437 is a reply to message #106151] Wed, 18 May 2011 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jim Drago[2
wrote on Fri, 18 March 2011 16:35]Interested in the line-lump option Kerry mentioned,



What is the line lump option?
Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106438 is a reply to message #106437] Wed, 18 May 2011 16:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doug Wellington is currently offline  Doug Wellington   UNITED STATES
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The line lump is basically a box that sits between the C-16 and the computer. It converts from the serial protocol that the C-16 speaks to MIDI so that the C-16 can be used with other programs besides PARIS...

Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106439 is a reply to message #106438] Wed, 18 May 2011 16:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Now that's interesting indeed.

And what would it take to get a couple of those made?

I'm assuming the C16s would interface with the computer via a midi input?

One really dumb question is would any of the other controls, i.e. transport, solo, mute etc be usable?

Could you make one Reaper Specific?

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Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106440 is a reply to message #106439] Wed, 18 May 2011 16:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
Doug Wellington is currently offline  Doug Wellington   UNITED STATES
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dnafe wrote on Wed, 18 May 2011 16:43
And what would it take to get a couple of those made?

Time...

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I'm assuming the C16s would interface with the computer via a midi input?

Yes...

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One really dumb question is would any of the other controls, i.e. transport, solo, mute etc be usable?

Could you make one Reaper Specific?

All the controls would be available. At some level, they are just button presses, so you'd need to map them for specific functions in your application. I don't use Reaper, but I'm sure the buttons could be mapped for that...


Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106441 is a reply to message #106440] Thu, 19 May 2011 02:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Check your PMs
Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106483 is a reply to message #106149] Sun, 29 May 2011 02:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yay from Dubya
Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106486 is a reply to message #106483] Mon, 30 May 2011 10:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I vote yes...I really need to come here and keep up with what's going on more ofter.
Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106488 is a reply to message #106149] Mon, 30 May 2011 15:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The line lump project would be very useful to me. Especially interfacing with Reaper.
Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106492 is a reply to message #106488] Tue, 31 May 2011 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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YES
Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106519 is a reply to message #106149] Tue, 14 June 2011 00:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes to the line lump and the ADAT IF.

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Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106520 is a reply to message #106149] Tue, 14 June 2011 08:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Me too for the line lump and the 24-bit ADAT interface.
Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106540 is a reply to message #106520] Thu, 23 June 2011 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hi Doug,

I am totally into having at least three C-16s motorized with the line lump. A fellow Paris user may also be interested in 3-5 C-16s being converted. Will they still work as always using the Cat5 with Paris too ? The 24bit ADAT rack is also a strong possibility for me.

If cash up front is needed please advise. I'd be happy to send you a C-16 and be your guinea pig.

Regards,
Tom
Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106543 is a reply to message #106540] Thu, 23 June 2011 15:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The line lump solution wouldn't motorize a C16 - it'd turn the C16 into a MIDI control surface so you could mix in other DAWs with it.

The way I'd always imagined it at its most basic is a little box with three sockets - Cat5 input and output plus MIDI out - and a couple of switches. You'd plug from the C16 to this little box's "in" and then from the box's "out" to the EDS. Then you'd take a MIDI cable and connect the box to your DAW's MIDI in.

One switch on the box would toggle between EDS and MIDI operation (it'd need to be buffered in some way so as to prevent the motherboard-frying issues that can arise from "hot swapping" a c16). The other (say dip switches on the underside) would be to set the box to channelize the MIDI info it translates to a discrete MIDI channel so you could theoretically have up to sixteen C16s, each one set to a different channel.

Once again, just speculation about what it could look like, I have no idea if it'll wind up being feasible. But it'd be a pretty popular item if it were - assuming the price was in the "guitar stomp-box" range, I'd pre-purchase two on the spot the moment they were announced and I know I wouldn't be alone.


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Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106544 is a reply to message #106543] Thu, 23 June 2011 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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kerryg wrote on Thu, 23 June 2011 15:49
The way I'd always imagined it at its most basic is a little box with three sockets - Cat5 input and output plus MIDI out - and a couple of switches.

Well, *my* idea Wink was to have three connectors, two RJ45s and a USB. The USB would provide power as well as communication to and from the computer. When you do something on the C-16, the signal would be sent out via both the RJ-45 (CAT5) and the USB at the same time, no mode change necessary...


Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106545 is a reply to message #106544] Thu, 23 June 2011 16:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You mean it'd have a *built-in* USB interface? Awesome! That doesn't have to mean it'd require drivers, right?

The reason I thought it would be good to have the C16 switchable between "EDS" and "MIDI" modes is for those people who want to run their DAW in tandem with their PARIS rig. Without that switchability, moving a fader will also change their mix in PARIS.

Awesome that you're looking at doing this! You're welcome to do pre-sales here if you want to, by the way. About how many units do you figure will make it worthwhile?


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Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106546 is a reply to message #106545] Thu, 23 June 2011 17:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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kerryg wrote on Thu, 23 June 2011 16:19
You mean it'd have a *built-in* USB interface? Awesome! That doesn't have to mean it'd require drivers, right?

The USB chip I used before uses a driver that creates a virtual serial port, so we'd have to convert from that to MIDI (or OSC even). I'll see what else is available...

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The reason I thought it would be good to have the C16 switchable between "EDS" and "MIDI" modes is for those people who want to run their DAW in tandem with their PARIS rig. Without that switchability, moving a fader will also change their mix in PARIS.

Yes, good point. Let me think about that...

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Awesome that you're looking at doing this! You're welcome to do pre-sales here if you want to, by the way. About how many units do you figure will make it worthwhile?

Partly depends on how big the pcb ends up being and what kind of box I find to house it.


Re: Should I resurrect the old skunkworks hardware projects? [message #106576 is a reply to message #106546] Mon, 04 July 2011 03:09 Go to previous message
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Hi Doug.
Count me in for the controller.
Glad you are still considering development of this "Holy Grail"
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