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| Question on ADAT Card/Module [message #84052] |
Sun, 06 May 2007 11:02  |
Nei
Messages: 108
Registered: November 2006
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If I were to get one of those MOTU 8-Pre's, would there be
anything to stop me (other than good common sense LOL) from
using the lightpipe out of that unit to go into the lightpipe
in on the Paris ADAT module at either 44.1 or 48k, and using
Paris in "Live mode" to EQ & sum four Toms (each on their own
Paris channel) to a stereo mix, then going from Paris' analog
outs into 2 analog channels of my Multiface to get into
CubaseSX at 88.2k???
Neil
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| Re: Question on ADAT Card/Module [message #84054 is a reply to message #84053] |
Sun, 06 May 2007 11:22  |
Ne
Messages: 17
Registered: May 2007
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Hmmm... well, these would be Toms, going down at the same time
as the rest of the kit on the first pass (it's for an upcoming
demo project for a band I'm going to be recording, not for
separate toms OD's), so do you think there'd be any perceivable
delay between what's going straight into the Multifaces (such
as guitar amps, bass, the rest of the drum kit) and the Toms
themselves being routed through Paris this way?
If so, I suppose I could simply elect to not provide the two-
channel stereo Tom submix in the cans... there'll be plenty of
Toms in the overheads, anyway.
ALSO... is there anything to stop me from using two more
channels & sending them hard-panned to the monitor outs of my
MEC for kick & snare if I wanted to do the same thing? In this
case, I'd be using either the GR MP2NV or the Chandler TG2 as
the preamp, so I'd be going into Paris via Analog inputs.
Get what I'm after? I'm thinking about simply using Paris
in "Live Mode" as a small console to tweak things before I hit
the RME convertors to go into Cubase. EQ would be useable, but
I don't know if the Paris comps would be (lookahead latency?).
I might need an 8-out card, though... right now I only have
4 outs, the ones on the MEC. That would be enough for
kick/snare/stereo Tom mix, however.
Neil
"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
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>The combined delay could make any attempt to monitor against prerecorded
>tracks a little awkward. I love setups like this. Very DJ-esque!
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>Gene
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>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>If I were to get one of those MOTU 8-Pre's, would there be
>>anything to stop me (other than good common sense LOL) from
>>using the lightpipe out of that unit to go into the lightpipe
>>in on the Paris ADAT module at either 44.1 or 48k, and using
>>Paris in "Live mode" to EQ & sum four Toms (each on their own
>>Paris channel) to a stereo mix, then going from Paris' analog
>>outs into 2 analog channels of my Multiface to get into
>>CubaseSX at 88.2k???
>>
>>Neil
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| Re: Question on ADAT Card/Module [message #84057 is a reply to message #84054] |
Sun, 06 May 2007 19:37 |
Ted Gerber
Messages: 705
Registered: January 2009
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Just in case you were unaware, the outs on the MEC itself are 20 bit, whereas
the 8 In /Out cards are 24 bit.
Ted
"Neil" <IOUOIU@OI.com> wrote:
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>Hmmm... well, these would be Toms, going down at the same time
>as the rest of the kit on the first pass (it's for an upcoming
>demo project for a band I'm going to be recording, not for
>separate toms OD's), so do you think there'd be any perceivable
>delay between what's going straight into the Multifaces (such
>as guitar amps, bass, the rest of the drum kit) and the Toms
>themselves being routed through Paris this way?
>
>If so, I suppose I could simply elect to not provide the two-
>channel stereo Tom submix in the cans... there'll be plenty of
>Toms in the overheads, anyway.
>
>ALSO... is there anything to stop me from using two more
>channels & sending them hard-panned to the monitor outs of my
>case, I'd be using either the GR MP2NV or the Chandler TG2 as
>the preamp, so I'd be going into Paris via Analog inputs.
>
>Get what I'm after? I'm thinking about simply using Paris
>in "Live Mode" as a small console to tweak things before I hit
>the RME convertors to go into Cubase. EQ would be useable, but
>I don't know if the Paris comps would be (lookahead latency?).
>
>I might need an 8-out card, though... right now I only have
>4 outs, the ones on the MEC. That would be enough for
>kick/snare/stereo Tom mix, however.
>
>Neil
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>"Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
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>>
>>The combined delay could make any attempt to monitor against prerecorded
>>tracks a little awkward. I love setups like this. Very DJ-esque!
>>
>>Gene
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>>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>>If I were to get one of those MOTU 8-Pre's, would there be
>>>anything to stop me (other than good common sense LOL) from
>>>using the lightpipe out of that unit to go into the lightpipe
>>>in on the Paris ADAT module at either 44.1 or 48k, and using
>>>Paris in "Live mode" to EQ & sum four Toms (each on their own
>>>Paris channel) to a stereo mix, then going from Paris' analog
>>>outs into 2 analog channels of my Multiface to get into
>>>CubaseSX at 88.2k???
>>>
>>>Neil
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| Re: Question on ADAT Card/Module [message #84063 is a reply to message #84054] |
Sun, 06 May 2007 21:11 |
Aaron Allen
Messages: 1988
Registered: May 2008
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"Neil" <IOUOIU@OI.com> wrote in message news:463e1ce6$1@linux...
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> Hmmm... well, these would be Toms, going down at the same time
> as the rest of the kit on the first pass (it's for an upcoming
> demo project for a band I'm going to be recording, not for
> separate toms OD's), so do you think there'd be any perceivable
> delay between what's going straight into the Multifaces (such
> as guitar amps, bass, the rest of the drum kit) and the Toms
> themselves being routed through Paris this way?
>
Yup, I do think there will be timing problems.. Paris is 1.5 mS in to out,
including conversion. You'll be looking at I'd think at least 1/2 of that,
plus whatever delay is introduced in the A to D process. Gotta say, I think
you'll be in phase hell trying this. It can be corrected after the fact, but
playing live will have issues unless you delay using real time plugs on the
other drums tracks in Steiny. Sounds like a giant headache to me dude.
> If so, I suppose I could simply elect to not provide the two-
> channel stereo Tom submix in the cans... there'll be plenty of
> Toms in the overheads, anyway.
>
> ALSO... is there anything to stop me from using two more
> channels & sending them hard-panned to the monitor outs of my
> MEC for kick & snare if I wanted to do the same thing? In this
> case, I'd be using either the GR MP2NV or the Chandler TG2 as
> the preamp, so I'd be going into Paris via Analog inputs.
>
> Get what I'm after? I'm thinking about simply using Paris
> in "Live Mode" as a small console to tweak things before I hit
> the RME convertors to go into Cubase. EQ would be useable, but
> I don't know if the Paris comps would be (lookahead latency?).
>
> I might need an 8-out card, though... right now I only have
> 4 outs, the ones on the MEC. That would be enough for
> kick/snare/stereo Tom mix, however.
>
> Neil
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> "Gene Lennon" <glennon@NOSPmyrealbox.com> wrote:
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>>
>>The combined delay could make any attempt to monitor against prerecorded
>>tracks a little awkward. I love setups like this. Very DJ-esque!
>>
>>Gene
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>>"Neil" <OIUOI@OIU.com> wrote:
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>>>If I were to get one of those MOTU 8-Pre's, would there be
>>>anything to stop me (other than good common sense LOL) from
>>>using the lightpipe out of that unit to go into the lightpipe
>>>in on the Paris ADAT module at either 44.1 or 48k, and using
>>>Paris in "Live mode" to EQ & sum four Toms (each on their own
>>>Paris channel) to a stereo mix, then going from Paris' analog
>>>outs into 2 analog channels of my Multiface to get into
>>>CubaseSX at 88.2k???
>>>
>>>Neil
>>
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| Re: Question on ADAT Card/Module [message #84064 is a reply to message #84063] |
Sun, 06 May 2007 21:32 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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1.5ms ain't much - at worst, it might flange a bit with the
toms coming through the overheads if we're monitoring both
signals... I know if I were trying to play anything that was
completely delayed by that much it would throw me off, but
again we're talking about being able to hear the toms in the
cans via the OH's anyway. Delaying all the singals to match
would be a deal-breaker - no one can play like that.
I think I'm gonna give it a shot - I picked up an 8-pre today
at Guitar Center. Get this, though - I was asking the guy a
couple things about it & he didn't know the answers, so I asked
him if he wouldn't mind if we cracked open the manual & he
said "as long as my boss doesn't see us break the seal & open
it up - he wouldn't be happy with that". I told him: "Look, we
can do this one of two ways, we can open it now, or I can take
it home, discover it's not going to work, then bring it back
for a refund - either way the seal's gonna get broken" lol
Dorks.
Neil
"Aaron Allen" <know-spam@not_here.dude> wrote:
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>"Neil" <IOUOIU@OI.com> wrote in message news:463e1ce6$1@linux...
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>> Hmmm... well, these would be Toms, going down at the same time
>> as the rest of the kit on the first pass (it's for an upcoming
>> demo project for a band I'm going to be recording, not for
>> separate toms OD's), so do you think there'd be any perceivable
>> delay between what's going straight into the Multifaces (such
>> as guitar amps, bass, the rest of the drum kit) and the Toms
>> themselves being routed through Paris this way?
>>
>
>Yup, I do think there will be timing problems.. Paris is 1.5 mS in to out,
>including conversion. You'll be looking at I'd think at least 1/2 of that,
>plus whatever delay is introduced in the A to D process. Gotta say, I think
>you'll be in phase hell trying this. It can be corrected after the fact,
but
>playing live will have issues unless you delay using real time plugs on
the
>other drums tracks in Steiny. Sounds like a giant headache to me dude.
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