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| Re: Question from reluctant engineer . . . [message #74462 is a reply to message #74456] |
Thu, 19 October 2006 16:19   |
Tyrone Corbett
Messages: 253
Registered: August 2006
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To provide an example:
After completing a project in Paris, I "print stems" of all the files as
a form of backing up data. I will first save the Paris project (PPJ), then
back that up to a secondary drive, finally "printing stems" with a zero starting
time
(PAF files)in stereo pairs by the way. This is saved to
CD/DVD.
In addition to this, I convert the PAF "stems" to 24 bit wav files (via the
PAFWAV conversion software) so that I can import them into any other software
app. other than Paris...Pro-Fools, Nuendo, Cubase, etc.
Tyrone
"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
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>I'm not sure this is the same thing that David was expressing, but in the
>circles I have worked in, we call "stem files" or "printing stems" the composite
>file from an edited track (one contiguous string...no breaks).
>
>Tyrone
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| Re: Question from reluctant engineer . . . [message #74481 is a reply to message #74462] |
Thu, 19 October 2006 22:14 |
Neil
Messages: 1645
Registered: April 2006
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OK, since we're elaborating here... the phrase "stems" is
actually borrowed from the film world. In that realm, "stems"
mean FINAL submixes ONLY... IOW, a music stem, a Foley stem, an
SFX stem, a dialogue stem, etc... in that world it does NOT
refer to any submix prior to those types of FINAL submixes. For
example, in the film world, if you were working on a film that
had an orchestral score, you would not have a strings stem, a
horns stem, a percussion stem,etc... it would be one music stem
which in that case would consist of the final stereo or
surround mix of all the music in the film.
Where the the term "stems" from, (pun intended) I don't know,
but I do know it was used as far back as multiple sync'ed
optical audio tracks were used in film (i.e. before magnetic
tape vehicles like Nagra decks were prevalant in film field
production). In the audio world it has started gaining
popularity since mastering houses have adopted DAW's or DAW-
type systems, and have since become able to accept submixes (as
opposed to only two-track mixes) for mastering (WOT!?!?!? You
can't give it to me on Sony PCM-1630!!!???" lol :) ).
OOPS! fucked up that vocal balance... that's OK, bring up the
vocal stem. Wow, those drums didn't sound as hot in my room as
they do here... better bring down the drum stem a bit. It's
almost as if you're doing a "mix after the mix" when mastering
like that; but apart from that, with regard to the term
"stems", I think we've all kind of bastardized it, because it's
now more or less interchangeable with a "submix" of any kind.
Neil
Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
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>To provide an example:
>
>After completing a project in Paris, I "print stems" of all the files as
>a form of backing up data. I will first save the Paris project (PPJ), then
>back that up to a secondary drive, finally "printing stems" with a zero
starting
>time
>(PAF files)in stereo pairs by the way. This is saved to
>CD/DVD.
>
>In addition to this, I convert the PAF "stems" to 24 bit wav files (via
the
>PAFWAV conversion software) so that I can import them into any other software
>app. other than Paris...Pro-Fools, Nuendo, Cubase, etc.
>
>Tyrone
>
>"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>I'm not sure this is the same thing that David was expressing, but in the
>>circles I have worked in, we call "stem files" or "printing stems" the
composite
>>file from an edited track (one contiguous string...no breaks).
>>
>>Tyrone
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| Re: Question from reluctant engineer . . . [message #74528 is a reply to message #74481] |
Fri, 20 October 2006 13:47 |
Tyrone Corbett
Messages: 253
Registered: August 2006
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Senior Member |
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Thanks Neil, much appreciated info!
Tyrone
"Neil" <OIUOIU@OIU.com> wrote:
>
>OK, since we're elaborating here... the phrase "stems" is
>actually borrowed from the film world. In that realm, "stems"
>mean FINAL submixes ONLY... IOW, a music stem, a Foley stem, an
>SFX stem, a dialogue stem, etc... in that world it does NOT
>refer to any submix prior to those types of FINAL submixes. For
>example, in the film world, if you were working on a film that
>had an orchestral score, you would not have a strings stem, a
>horns stem, a percussion stem,etc... it would be one music stem
>which in that case would consist of the final stereo or
>surround mix of all the music in the film.
>Where the the term "stems" from, (pun intended) I don't know,
>but I do know it was used as far back as multiple sync'ed
>optical audio tracks were used in film (i.e. before magnetic
>tape vehicles like Nagra decks were prevalant in film field
>production). In the audio world it has started gaining
>popularity since mastering houses have adopted DAW's or DAW-
>type systems, and have since become able to accept submixes (as
>opposed to only two-track mixes) for mastering (WOT!?!?!? You
>can't give it to me on Sony PCM-1630!!!???" lol :) ).
>OOPS! fucked up that vocal balance... that's OK, bring up the
>vocal stem. Wow, those drums didn't sound as hot in my room as
>they do here... better bring down the drum stem a bit. It's
>almost as if you're doing a "mix after the mix" when mastering
>like that; but apart from that, with regard to the term
>"stems", I think we've all kind of bastardized it, because it's
>now more or less interchangeable with a "submix" of any kind.
>
>Neil
>
>
>Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>To provide an example:
>>
>>After completing a project in Paris, I "print stems" of all the files as
>>a form of backing up data. I will first save the Paris project (PPJ), then
>>back that up to a secondary drive, finally "printing stems" with a zero
>starting
>>time
>>(PAF files)in stereo pairs by the way. This is saved to
>>CD/DVD.
>>
>>In addition to this, I convert the PAF "stems" to 24 bit wav files (via
>the
>>PAFWAV conversion software) so that I can import them into any other software
>>app. other than Paris...Pro-Fools, Nuendo, Cubase, etc.
>>
>>Tyrone
>>
>>"Tyrone Corbett" <tyronecorbett@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>I'm not sure this is the same thing that David was expressing, but in
the
>>>circles I have worked in, we call "stem files" or "printing stems" the
>composite
>>>file from an edited track (one contiguous string...no breaks).
>>>
>>>Tyrone
>>
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