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| Re: Any tricks in Automation [message #58214 is a reply to message #58208] |
Thu, 15 September 2005 08:43   |
Don Nafe
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DBX
376/386 (these sound very sweet with Telefunken ECC82 tubes)
The M5 Avalon has the biggest sound of all...
It is extremely fast and aggresive sounding and it has the most "forward"
character" of all.
I encourage to rent the Avalon M5 or AD2022 , the Great River NV and FMR
Real nice preamps.
Regards,
Dimitrios
" Gary Flanigan" <gary_flanigan@ce9.uscourts.gov> wrote in message
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> >> "uptown jimmy" <johnson314@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> >I have found the Avalon stuff to be seriously unimpressive.
> >> >
> >> >One man's opinion, FWIW!
> >> >
> >> >Jimmy
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> But is a great bit of industrial design. One of the nicest looking
designs
> around.
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> >> >
> >> >"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote in message
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> >> >> Hi,
> >> >> I advise if you want forward for the Avalon M5.
> >> >> This is the most forwarding preamp to my eras, aggresive and in
front
> >> not
> >> >> brilliant but in your face with great great bottom.
> >> >> I have Great River (not the NV) with Lundahl transformers.
> >> >> I only use Great river for electric instruments especially bass and
> el
> >> >> guitars.
> >> >> I never use it for vocals, doesn't compliment vocals , thats my
> >oppinion
> >> >of
> >> >> course.
> >> >> The best allarouind preamp is the Amek 9098 with newer (lower
> >distortion)
> >> >> opa's, really really fanatstic.
> >> >> But if you are looking for that "special" right in your face sound"
> >with
> >> >> great bottom and not extra harmonics (like 9098) but with great
bottom
> >> >then
> >> >> Avalon is what I would go for.
> >> >> Anyway , rent one and try before you buy.
> >> >> Don't buy before trying anything based on what we say.
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >> Dimitrios
> >> >>
> >> >> "cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:43282c17$1@linux...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yeah API's on the list for next year! I just need one pre right
now
> >> to
> >> >> augment
> >> >> > the AM-16's. I am looking for something more "forward" with some
> >sheen
> >> >btu
> >> >> > can also get some funk. Sound like the GR may do that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "PN" <pnl@nospam.com> wrote:
> >> >> > >I have the 2NV and I've been really pleased with it.
> >> >> > >You can get a nearly transparent sound out of it or dial in one
> with
> >> >some
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >attitude.
> >> >> > >Having an output control is really helpful and the 'iron' button
> is
> >> >quite
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >useful.
> >> >> > >For an overall pre, you can not go wrong with the GR NV
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >My main preamps are GR and API.
> >> >> > >I find for some E. Gits, Kick, Snare, Toms, Bass and about 75% of
> >the
> >> >> vocals
> >> >> >
> >> >> > >I do (mostly rock, pop) I mostly use the APIs.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >And OMG, for Bass, an API into a DBX 160vu is the dream team come
> >true.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > >"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote in message
> >> >> news:4326d8ce$1@linux...
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> Anyone using the great River NV edition?
> >> >> > >>
> >> >> > >> I am looking
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| Re: Any tricks in Automation [message #58218 is a reply to message #58214] |
Thu, 15 September 2005 09:49 |
EK Sound
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s about PARIS that I've either never
> tried or didn't even realize existed. How about you? What's
> your PARIS proficiency level? How many features do you
> use on a regular basis, and how much do you think you don't
> know or use?
>Speaking of bios, find the reset jumper pins on the MB and short them together.
This resets the bios. I've had to do that to one of my pc's several times.
"erlilo" <erlilo@online.no> wrote:
>If there's no beep at all anymore and the monitor is totally black, it seems
>more that the bios isn't working at all to get things started. It's the
bios
>that's first of all is taking care of what shall be started up first with
a
>computer and sending this information to the chipset and most of the things
>to start up or not you can automatic or manually set up in the bios.
>So, the first thing the bios need is power. If the power is OK, than the
>next is a healthy Graphic card and RAM. If that's OK too, it's a bad
>motherboard left. If you can't come into the bios at all with the delete
>button when starting up, the problem must be in one of those 4 things. You
>don't need a harddisk at all to start a PC, you can start it from a floppy
>too, with a startup disk in DOS mode if things are OK.
>
>Erling
>
>"Brandon" <brandon_goodwin@REMOVETHISsbcglobal.net> skrev i en meddelelse
>news:43289baa@linux...
>> Do you have a floppy in the A: drive????
>>
>> Remove it!!!!
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| Re: Any tricks in Automation [message #58219 is a reply to message #58218] |
Thu, 15 September 2005 10:08 |
Don Nafe
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>> "Mike R." <emarenot@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:43288c38$1@linux...
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>>> Hey Pete,
>>> I'm wondering if it might help to try a new mobo battery. I had a
>>> similar,
>>> can't recall if the exact, problem you're having. A new battery cleared
>>> it up.
>>> MR
>>>
>>> "Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> SO I turn on my PC and everything comes on,fans,lights,but
>>>>nothing comes on the monitor.It doesn't sound like the computer
>>>>is going through its normal boot sequence either.I tried the
>>>>reset button,nothing happens.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not too PC savvy as this is my first PC.
>>>>
>>>>Any help PLEASE?!
>>>>
>>>>Pete
>>>
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>
>Hi,
Can some one tel me please how can used Waves Plug-ins with Paris Pro?
Thanks!!!It's ugly. Started having *lots* of clocking problems. Traced it to an IF-2
that had started going south, it seems. If you start having unexplained
wierdness and have IF-2's hooked up to you MEC, try unplugging them and see
if that fixes the problem.
Deejnudging 1 ms in Paris is 80 samples whether it's 44.1 or 48.
the .001 ms look ahead doesn't directly corespond to 80 samples.
If your doing tracks that aren't phase dependent, then .001= 1ms is close
enough. If your doing live drums, stereo mic'd anything, or are copying a
track and applying comression to the copy only, then your going to need to
get more exact.
Rod
"Dimitrios" <musurgio@otenet.gr> wrote:
>So we have to clarify one main point here because some are saying that 0.001
>lookahead is just 1ms nudge and the real data is 50 samples ( 1 nudge is
80
>samples)
>So it is not the lookahead directly expressed in Paris ms, right ?
>Or is
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| Re: Any tricks in Automation [message #58220 is a reply to message #58215] |
Thu, 15 September 2005 10:09 |
Don Nafe
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it because 1 ms nudge in Paris is 80 samples under 48khz and 50
>samples under 44.1 khz ?
>Anyone can clarify here ?
>regards,
>Dimitrios
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:432995ff$1@linux...
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>> NO Limit
>> with no look ahead 2 samples=nudge back 1ms and apply 78 samples with
>sampleslide
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>> .001 look ahead 50 samples latency= nudge back 1ms and apply 30 samples
>> with sample slide
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>> .025 look ahead...nudge back 27ms (25+1+1)and apply 78 samples with sample
>> slide
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>> that's all I use. either the .001 or the .025
>> hope that helps
>>
>> Rod
>> "Jeremy Luzier" <j.luzier@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >anyone know the latency on the lookahead settings... 0.01 - 0.050.
>> >
>> >thanks!
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>Using "delete time" will get rid of the audio and move the audio that's after
the deleted portion forward (or back depending on what you call it)so it
butts up to the audio that was before the part you took out (which is what
you want) and the EXACT same thing happens to the automation. It's way cool.
In other words, if you want to delete 8 bars from the chours, turn your grid
and snap on, set it to bars. Shift click on the time line so the now line
snaps to EXACTLY beat 1 of the first bar you want to take out, select delete
time, select bars, type in 4, select all tracks and all submixes, and hit
enter. The 4 bars will be gone and your tracks AND automation will be exactly
where you want them. This is WAY easier than it sounds once you get your
head around it.
Rod
"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>Will the automation edits after the time delete move forward?
>
>This could be handy if they do
>
>Don
>
>
>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:43299788$1@linux...
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>> using "delete time", in the editor will delete the parts of the song you
>> want
>> and also delete the automation. Very slick. Not undo-able, so save as
a
>> different
>> name. As for adding parts, Go with Tom's method. Not too difficult at
all.
>> I have to do this all the time with corperate stuff I do.
>> Rod
>> "Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Don,
>>>I would choose your edit point and place a marker there.
>>>Select and cut all objects and automation data at this point.
>>>Now cut and paste should work for everything except mutes
>>>that cross that line. It has worked for me in the past. Surprisingly
>>>simple if you don't forget where you are in the process.=20
>>>Tom
>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4329864e$1@linux...
>>> Hi All
>>>
>>> I've got a song that the band wants to edit in a major way ie: Cutting
>> =
>>>out=20
>>> and Adding sections. The problem is that the song has some major =
>>>automation=20
>>> going on and the automations edits will have to be moved, cut or =
>>>added.
>>>
>>> Are there any tricks to doing this ie: "snap to object end" like in
=
>>>the edit=20
>>> window ?
>>>
>>> If not I'm looking at one major cluster f-ck
>>>
>>> Don=20
>>>
>>>
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| Re: Any tricks in Automation [message #58226 is a reply to message #58220] |
Thu, 15 September 2005 13:37 |
Rod Lincoln
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>Last time I was here people were talking about using PARIS as a mix buss
>for Native DAWs. Are there people still doing this? Is it worth it?
>
>Thanks!
>Bill
Bill,
Not too long ago I bought a little Paris rig to do this very thing. Haven't
really had time to experiment with it though, hopefully I can in the near
future.
For me part of the sound was the converters and the effects. Still not totaly
convinced of the mixbuss difference but there could be something to it.
JesseWhat are your favourite mastering plugins.
I have the waves gold and uad studio pak
and all the plugs in logic most of the paris plugs.Never trust the cans. Never. Use them like your car stereo, as
a comparison, but they are not for evaluating, and making final
decisions on a mix. Try some different speakers, or a friend's studio
just to see what is going on.
Having said that, my favorite cans are these:
http://www.ultrasone.com/htdocs/08_frameset/proline_index.ph p
I use the 650's Wonderful
DC
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I've been using AKG K240 (600 ohm Gold series) for years.I primarily use
>them just for double checking relative levels of tracks and reverb sends.
>Since I seldom use them and don't recall ever having used them when mixing
>bluegrass projects, something wierd has come to my attention.
>
>I've noticed a huge discrepancy between these and what I'm hearing on my
>reference monitors as far as levels go when mixing dobro and mandolin. It's
>really strange that it would be just the frequencies in these two
>instruments. The dobro sounds *much louder* in the cans than it does in
the
>speaker and the mandolin sounds *much softer*.
>
>I'm wondering if it's a wierd anomalie in my room and I should be trusting
>more in the cans as far as relative levels are concerned.
>
>I'm also wondering if there is a set of cans out there that is recommended
>or better regarded than the K240's for this kind of job.
>
>Deej
>
>I use Beyer DT880's when I absolutely have to use headphones. My ears don't
tolerate that close coupling anymore.
Sennheiser 600's and Beyer DT770's are also nice, IMO.
"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>I've been using AKG K240 (600 ohm Gold series) for years.I primarily use
>them just for double checking relative levels of tracks and reverb sends.
>Since I seldom use them and don't recall ever having used them when mixing
>bluegrass projects, something wierd has come to my attention.
>
>I've noticed a huge discrepancy between these and what I'm hearing on my
>reference monitors as far as levels go when mixing dobro and mandolin. It's
>really strange that it would be just the frequencies in these two
>instruments. The dobro sounds *much louder* in the cans than it does in
the
>speaker and the mandolin sounds *much softer*.
>
>I'm wondering if it's a wierd anomalie in my room and I should be trusting
>more in the cans as far as relative levels are concerned.
>
>I'm also wondering if there is a set of cans out there that is recommended
>or better regarded than the K240's for this kind of job.
>
>Deej
>
>The standard Paris compressor and Freak Q.
rod
"Eugene B." <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>What are your favourite mastering plugins.
>I have the waves gold and uad studio pak
>and all the plugs in logic most of the paris plugs."Eugene B." <martinlancer@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>What are your favourite mastering plugins.
>I have the waves gold and uad studio pak
>and all the plugs in logic most of the paris plugs.
Hydratone, Creamware Optimaster and Vinco, SAW Leveliser.
Everything but Hydratone is platform specific though.So I stripped it down to CPU,mobo(no pci,video cards or ram).I
was still getting no beeps,just fans and lights.
I got an Antec 480w Neo.I was going to get a 500w Antec,but I
was told this delivered stronger consistent power.Installed it
and I get the same thing,lights and fans.This is still stripped
down to cpu,mobo.
So what to try next?I'm guessing it could only be the cpu or
mobo now,correct?
At least I'm getting to know my PC more intimately now;yeah
great!
PeteJust threw in the ram chips seperately to check,no change.Also
tried without drives connected the same.Looks like I'm heading
to the local comp shop tommorrow to test the cpu and mobo.
Thanks to Jeff Hoover too for advice and a late night call.
AAAAARRRRRGH!
Pete
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> So I stripped it down to CPU,mobo(no pci,video cards or ram).I
>was still getting no beeps,just fans and lights.
>
> I got an Antec 480w Neo.I was going to get a 500w Antec,but I
>was told this delivered stronger consistent power.Installed it
>and I get the same thing,lights and fans.This is still stripped
>down to cpu,mobo.
>
> So what to try next?I'm guessing it could only be the cpu or
>mobo now,correct?
>
> At least I'm getting to know my PC more intimately now;yeah
>great!
>
>PeteOkay group, your thoughts please: Grand piano, with vocal... Best
ideas for the killer sound... Nobody else in the room 'cept maybe a
little stand up bass, occ
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| Re: Any tricks in Automation [message #58251 is a reply to message #58226] |
Fri, 16 September 2005 06:53 |
Don Nafe
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gt;Two soft synths that can be very interesting:
NI, Absynth. (The quintessential movie score synth.)
Camel Audio, Cameleon 5000. (Easy to get unusual sounds but not super hi-fi.)
The Korg Wavestation can do very unique sounds and is available as software
or as a used kbd on ebay. I would go with the software version.
Gene
"Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>I'm trying to work out what else to add to my setup. I already have a digital
>piano, a decent basic analog synth, and a nice harsh 12 bit sampler. ;o)
>I'm thinking of getting a little rack mount MIDI box to make some more interesting
>wierd off-beat sounds. I was thinking of adding a Roland JV-1010, but I'm
>thinking those sounds will be more "standard". I'm keen to have some less
>usual sounds in the arsenal.
>
>Anybody know a nice, preferably cheap, option for some kooky interesting
>synth sounds?
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.You are quite right. The Roland is great for recreating other
instruments, but as a twiddle-the-knobs-and-see-what-happens
instrument, it is lacking.
Two of my faves are little sleeper synths - didn't make much impact in
the marketplace and are no longer produced, but they are on ebay for a
good price ($100-150 each). The Yamaha AN-200 and DX-200 are little
groovebox, step sequencers, with 3 rhythm channels and a synth
channel, but in each, the synth channel just rocks. The AN-200 is an
analog modelling synth and the DX-200 is Yamaha's latest (last?)
generation of FM synthesis. These tabletop boxes have many knobs to
twiddle, and you can set up two different sounds and morph between
them. Cool for sweeps and transitions.
Along the line of the already mentioned Korg Wavestation is the
Waldorf Wave family and the Ensoniq Fizmo. These will definitely take
you places the JV1010 only dreams of!
- Paul Artola
Ellicott City, Maryland
On 16 Sep 2005 16:38:30 +1000, "Kim" <hiddensounds@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>I'm trying to work out what else to add to my setup. I already have a digital
>piano, a decent basic analog synth, and a nice harsh 12 bit sampler. ;o)
>I'm thinking of getting a little rack mount MIDI box to make some more interesting
>wierd off-beat sounds. I was thinking of adding a Roland JV-1010, but I'm
>thinking those sounds will be more "standard". I'm keen to have some less
>usual sounds in the arsenal.
>
>Anybody know a nice, preferably cheap, option for some kooky interesting
>synth sounds?
>
>Cheers,
>Kim.Hi Pete,
The way a PC mobo works is that if anything is wrong on start up, it will
give a series of beeps to let the user know what is wrong. For example,
if there is no ram, you get a certain series of beeps. If the vido card
is bad, it should give another set of beeps. If there is no CPU, it can't
give any set of beeps because the PC can't function at all without a CPU.
So, that is probably your problem.
Keep in mind, though, that even if it is the CPU that is bad, something else
could have caused it to die on you. There may be a motherboard issue (like
a voltage regulation problem) even if it turns out to be the chip that is
causing this immediate problem.
Good luck!
Mike
"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
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> Just threw in the ram chips seperately to check,no change.Also
>tried without drives connected the same.Looks like I'm heading
>to the local comp shop tommorrow to test the cpu and mobo.
>
>Thanks to Jeff Hoover too for advice and a late night call.
>
>AAAAARRRRRGH!
>
>Pete
>
>
>"Pete Ruthenburg" <ruthenburg@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> So I stripped it down to CPU,mobo(no pci,video cards or ram).I
>>was still getting no beeps,just fans and lights.
>>
>> I got an Antec 480w Neo.I was going to get a 500w Antec,but I
>>was told this delivered stronger consistent power.Installed it
>>and I get the same thing,lights and fans.This is still stripped
>>down to cpu,mobo.
>>
>> So what to try next?I'm guessing it could only be the cpu or
>>mobo now,correct?
>>
>> At least I'm getting to know my PC more intimately now;yeah
>>great!
>>
>>Pete
>I’ve always recorded song ideas in MIDI using Opcode Vision to save space
on the hard drive. Now, I’m thinking maybe I could do the same in Paris and
let Vision go, but before I make all the settings and the commitment to learn
how Paris handles MIDI, can anyone tell me:
1) By using Paris for MIDI, will I end up with the same size files that I
would in Vision (vis a vis hard drive space), or would the Paris/MIDI files
be bigger?
2) Does Paris’ MIDI function anything like Vision in regard to looping, quantizing,
editing, etc.
One other question: I’m still using a Beige G3 with Paris, but it’s nearing
the end of its service life. What was the last, and fastest, Apple tower
and OS that worked with Paris 3.0 before Apple moved to USB/Firewire and
OSX (which I assume are incompatible with my Paris MEC and Paris 3.0)?
Thanks.
Richard FaylorJust install the DX version of the plug-in as normal and they should show up
in the insert section of the mixer in Paris.
"ulfiyya" <ulfiyya@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:4329bb8b$1@linux...
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> Hi,
> Can some one tel me please how can used Waves Plug-ins with Paris Pro?
> Thanks!!!Anyone know of a sweet deal on Cubase SX3? I have Cubase SE, so I can upgrade,
and the best price I've found so far is $479 with free shipping and no sales
tax.
Thanks!
- StefanI'm with Don on the lid thing... best piano sound I ever got was
lid-off using an X/Y pair of C12vr 5' off the harp, dead center facing
straight down. I also used a U-47 underneath to fill in some "body".
If you do the spaced pair over the hammers (a brighter jazz tone) be
sure to angle the mic's away from the player, otherwise they will pick
up too much vocal. I agree with the solid state "clean pre" advise as
well... this this much "air" in the tracks, the tube noise would get
distracting. Just for giggles I would also stick a couple of room
mic's
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| Re: Any tricks in Automation [message #58274 is a reply to message #58251] |
Fri, 16 September 2005 23:22 |
Cujjo
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snap on, set it to bars. Shift click on the time line so the now line
>>>snaps to EXACTLY beat 1 of the first bar you want to take out, select
>
>
>>>delete
>>>time, select bars, type in 4, select all tracks and all submixes, and
>
> hit
>
>>>enter. The 4 bars will be gone and your tracks AND automation will be
>
>
>>>exactly
>>>where you want them. This is WAY easier than it sounds once you get your
>>>head around it.
>>>Rod
>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Will the automation edits after the time delete move forward?
>>>>
>>>>This could be handy if they do
>>>>
>>>>Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:43299788$1@linux...
>>>>
>>>>>using "delete time", in the editor will delete the parts of the song
>
> you
>
>>>>>want
>>>>>and also delete the automation. Very slick. Not undo-able, so save as
>>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>>>different
>>>>>name. As for adding parts, Go with Tom's method. Not too difficult at
>>>
>>>all.
>>>
>>>>>I have to do this all the time with corperate stuff I do.
>>>>>Rod
>>>>>"Tom Bruhl" <arpegio@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Don,
>>>>>>I would choose your edit point and place a marker there.
>>>>>>Select and cut all objects and automation data at this point.
>>>>>>Now cut and paste should work for everything except mutes
>>>>>>that cross that line. It has worked for me in the past. Surprisingly
>>>>>>simple if you don't forget where you are in the process.=20
>>>>>>Tom
>>>>>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote in message news:4329864e$1@linux...
>>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got a song that the band wants to edit in a major way ie: Cutting
>>>>>
>>>>>=
>>>>>
>>>>>>out=20
>>>>>> and Adding sections. The problem is that the song has some major =
>>>>>>automation=20
>>>>>> going on and the automations edits will have to be moved, cut or =
>>>>>>added.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are there any tricks to doing this ie: "snap to object end" like in
>>>
>>>=
>>>
>>>>>>the edit=20
>>>>>> window ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If not I'm looking at one major cluster f-ck
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don=20
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>><META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
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>>>>>><BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Don,</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would choose your edit point and
>
> =
>
>>>>>>place a marker=20
>>>>>>there.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Select and cut all objects and =
>>>>>>automation data at=20
>>>>>>this point.</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now cut and paste should work for =
>>>>>>everything except=20
>>>>>>mutes</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>that cross that line. It has =
>>>>>>worked for me in=20
>>>>>>the past. Surprisingly</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>simple if you don't forget where you
>>>
>>>=
>>>
>>>>>>are in the=20
>>>>>>process.</FONT> </DIV>
>>>>>><DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tom</FONT></DIV>
>>>>>><BLOCKQUOTE=20
>>>>>>style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
>>>>>>BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
>>>>>> <DIV>"Don Nafe" <<A =
>>>>>>href=3D"mailto:dnafe@magma.ca">dnafe@magma.ca</A>>=20
>>>>>> wrote in message <A=20
>>>>>> href=3D"news:4329864e$1@linux">news:4329864e$1@linux</A>...</DIV>Hi=20
>>>>>> All<BR><BR>I've got a song that the band wants to edit in a major
>
> way
>
>>>>>=
>>>>>
>>>>>>ie:=20
>>>>>> Cutting out <BR>and Adding sections. The problem is that the song
>
> has
>
>>>>>=
>>>>>
>>>>>>some=20
>>>>>> major automation <BR>going on and the automations edits will have
>
> to
>
>>>=
>>>
>>>>>>be moved,=20
>>>>>> cut or added.<BR><BR>Are there any tricks to doing this ie: "snap
>
> to
>
>>>=
>>>
>>>>>>object=20
>>>>>> end" like in the edit <BR>window ?<BR><BR>If not I'm looking at one
>>>
>>>=
>>>
>>>>>>major=20
>>>>>> cluster f-ck<BR><BR>Don <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>Paris midi sucks, run from it, don't even think about it, pretend it's
not there and life will be good.
John
Richard Faylor wrote:
> I’ve always recorded song ideas in MIDI using Opcode Vision to save space
> on the hard drive. Now, I’m thinking maybe I could do the same in Paris and
> let Vision go, but before I make all the settings and the commitment to learn
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| Re: Any tricks in Automation [message #58276 is a reply to message #58274] |
Sat, 17 September 2005 08:31 |
John [1]
Messages: 2229
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ard drive space), or would the Paris/MIDI files
> be bigger?
> 2) Does Paris’ MIDI function anything like Vision in regard to looping, quantizing,
> editing, etc.
>
> One other question: I’m still using a Beige G3 with Paris, but it’s nearing
> the end of its service life. What was the last, and fastest, Apple tower
> and OS that worked with Paris 3.0 before Apple moved to USB/Firewire and
> OSX (which I assume are incompatible with my Paris MEC and Paris 3.0)?
>
> Thanks.
> Richard Faylor
>good pair of mics go the XY, big sound natural field, man my typing sux, I'm
sure I'm dyslexic. I went to a toga party dressed as a goat.
"Chas. Duncan" <duncan5199@SPAMLESSsbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:qkbni1hj3aotsojcgf1i4p8pqun8i510ca@4ax.com...
>
>
> Well I was away all day and came back to these several *great*
> suggestions... Thanks all -- really interesting stuff, looking
> forward to trying out all these ideas...
>
> For the nuts and bolts kind of stuff you guys are really hard to
> beat... Thanks again -- Chas.
>
>
> On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 20:13:41 -0700, Chas. Duncan
> <duncan5199@SPAMLESSsbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>Okay group, your thoughts please: Grand piano, with vocal... Best
>>ideas for the killer sound... Nobody else in the room 'cept maybe a
>>little stand up bass, occasional snare with a brush on it over in the
>>corner.(nice sounding room)... How did the white coat lads approach
>>this in ye olden days? Preferred mics, placement, signal path, all
>>that good stuff. Music is sparse jazzy piano vocal -- need that thing
>>to be capital G gorgeous...
>>
>>Any and all suggestions gratefully accepted -- Chas.
>>
>has anyone used this Vintech unit?
IF so how useful is the EQ?
Any comparisons to the GR NV would be great..Howdy.
I'm the proud owner of a vintech 473. The limited eq options on this particular
unit is very much outwayed by the sound of the eq. Ive often thought of how
awesome it would be to have the vintech units with expanded eq's (such as
the v73i). These vintech units are sensational!!! I dont know if it sounds
exactly like a Neve 1073, but i do know it is an amazing sound that resonates
from these pre's. Best 4 grand ive spent in awhile...
Cheers
Dave
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>has anyone used this Vintech unit?
>IF so how useful is the EQ?
>Any comparisons to the GR NV would be great..
>http://reservoirstock.free.fr/deep%20sunshine%201.wmv
I warned you...Looks like Dwight Yoakum's backyard band in Slingblade decided to get into
metal.......is that Dwight????.....too far away to tell.
Cleaning up studio today for session tonight........and listening to Boz
Skaggs. That's what's workin' for me today......and now I appreciate it even
more.
;oP
"DC" <dc@spamthesinger.org> wrote in message news:432c7309$1@linux...
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> http://reservoirstock.free.fr/deep%20sunshine%201.wmv
>
> I warned you...I have a couple of the X73's and just love them--
we a/b'ed them with real 1073's and cound not tell
which was which...
"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>
>
>has anyone used this Vintech unit?
>IF so how useful is the EQ?
>Any comparisons to the GR NV would be great..
>Ah, I did not see the bit about not coming with a PS. They look great. May
be out of my range for now even at 1600.00 or so
"John Macy" <spamlessjohn@johnmacy.com> wrote:
>
>I have a couple of the X73's and just love them--
>we a/b'ed them with real 1073's and cound not tell
>which was which...
>
>
>"cujo" <chris@applemanstudio.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>has anyone used this Vintech unit?
>>IF so how useful is the EQ?
>>Any comparisons to the GR NV would be great..
>>
>That's the best "horrible" band ever..should be called "Deep Shit" instead
of Deep Sunshine though....thanks...I think
"DC" <dc@spamthesinger.org> wrote in message news:432c7309$1@linux...
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> http://reservoirstock.free.fr/deep%20sunshine%201.wmv
>
> I warned you...I don't know.....I think Dwight's band had 'em beat...
DJ wrote:
> Looks like Dwight Yoakum's backyard band in Slingblade decided to get into
> metal.......is that Dwight????.....too far away to tell.
>Nice! I remember looking for this but not seeing..Tanx!
John <no@no.com> wrote:
>Check the Auto Scroll button in the show / hide command bar of the
>automation window, page 140 of the reference manual.
>John
>
>cujo wrote:
>> Speaking of Automation..Is there a way to make the now line in the Automation
>> window scroll along like the editor window does? In other words the automaion
>> window shows where you are in the song? This is much mor imporatnt now
that
>> I use UAD track that have been moved forward a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>Thanks for the confirmation Rod
>>>
>>>don
>>>
>>>
>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>news:4329db78$1@linux...
>>>
>>>>Using "delete time" will get rid of the audio and move the audio that's
>>
>>
>>>>after
>>>>the deleted portion forward (or back depending on what you call it)so
>>
>> it
>>
>>>>butts up to the audio that was before the part you took out (which is
>>
>> what
>>
>>>>you want) and the EXACT same thing happens to the automation. It's way
>>
>>
>>>>cool.
>>>>In other words, if you want to delete 8 bars from the chours, turn your
>>
>>
>>>>grid
>>>>and snap on, set it to bars. Shift click on the time line so the now
line
>>>>snaps to EXACTLY beat 1 of the first bar you want to take out, select
>>
>>
>>>>delete
>>>>time, select bars, type in 4, select all tracks and all submixes, and
>>
>> hit
>>
>>>>enter. The 4 bars will be gone and your tracks AND automation will be
>>
>>
>>>>exactly
>>>>where you want them. This is WAY easier than it sounds once you get your
>>>>head around it.
>>>>Rod
>>>>"Don Nafe" <dnafe@magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Will the automation edits after the time delete move forward?
>>>>>
>>>>>This could be handy if they do
>>>>>
>>>>>Don
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Rod Lincoln" <rlincoln@nospam.kc.rr.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:43299788$1@linux...
>>>>>
>>>>>>using "delete time", in the editor will delete the parts of the song
>>
>> you
>>
>>>>>>want
>>>>>>an
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Sat, 17 September 2005 15:16 |
Cujjo
Messages: 325
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gt;<BR>If not I'm looking at one
>>>>
>>>>=
>>>>
>>>>>>>major=20
>>>>>>> cluster f-ck<BR><BR>Don <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>rick <parnell68@hotmail.com> wrote:
>URS eq's
seconded, forgot it in my intial list.I've been using Paris 3.0 on first OS 8.6 and then 9.2.1 for years, but my
computer (beige G3) is past its reliable service life. I'd like to upgrade
to a G5 running OS10.3 or 10.4, but is it possible to use Paris? Specific
questions:
1) Did an angel somewhere make an OS10 driver for Paris 3.0?
2) If so, where/how can I get it?
3) Will my Paris card fit in the G5's PSI/PSI(extended) slot?
4) Will it all work together reliably? Any potential glitches to be mindful
of?
5) Since it's time to say goodbye to my Opcode 64X MIDI interface (which
connects to the Printer Port of the G3), can anyone recommend a USB- or Firewire-type
8-channel MIDI interfact? And what MIDI software would work nicely on it
as a compatible complement to using Paris for the DAW? (The key issues would
seem to be the MIDI software's ease of use, functionality, and ease of importing
its MIDI files into Paris. Note: I've used Opcode Vision for MIDI up to this
point.)
Your advice is much appreciated. If there are other issues I need to consider,
please feel free to share.
Richard FaylorRichard Faylor wrote:
> I've been using Paris 3.0 on first OS 8.6 and then 9.2.1 for years, but my
> computer (beige G3) is past its reliable service life. I'd like to upgrade
> to a G5 running OS10.3 or 10.4, but is it possible to use Paris? Specific
> questions:
> 1) Did an angel somewhere make an OS10 driver for Paris 3.0?
> 2) If so, where/how can I get it?
> 3) Will my Paris card fit in the G5's PSI/PSI(extended) slot?
> 4) Will it all work together reliably? Any potential glitches to be mindful
> of?
> 5) Since it's time to say goodbye to my Opcode 64X MIDI interface (which
> connects to the Printer Port of the G3), can anyone recommend a USB- or Firewire-type
> 8-channel MIDI interfact? And what MIDI software would work nicely on it
> as a compatible complement to using Paris for the DAW? (The key issues would
> seem to be the MIDI software's ease of use, functionality, and ease of importing
> its MIDI files into Paris. Note: I've used Opcode Vision for MIDI up to this
> point.)
>
> Your advice is much appreciated. If there are other issues I need to consider,
> please feel free to share.
>
> Richard Faylor
Hi Richard,
No, unfortunately at this point you won't be able to use Paris or EDS cards in a G5. Also, forget about importing midi files into Paris, it won't happen.
I would suggest getting a dedicated box for Paris (pc or mac) and sync it to your G5 (that's what I'm doing).
As far as software for midi, I use Logic and Live on my G5.
I use a Tascam FW1884 for my midi ports which has been really solid, but it's 4 ports.
Personally I prefer to run Paris on a PC and everything else audio related on my G5.
Cheers,
TCI know Ashlee Simpson went blond, but I didn't know she cut her
hair, too...
I couldn't hit the stop button. Thanks for this!
Chris
"DC" <dc@spamthesinger.org> wrote:
>
>http://reservoirstock.free.fr/deep%20sunshine%201.wmv
>
>I warned you...Maybe this is William Hung's new group.
;oP
If you really want to squirm.......check this out.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=american+id ol+worst&btnG=Search
"Chris Lang" <yo@yo.yo> wrote in message news:432cad35$1@linux...
>
> I know Ashlee Simpson went blond, but I didn't know she cut her
> hair, too...
>
> I couldn't hit the stop button. Thanks for this!
>
> Chris
>
>
> "DC" <dc@spamthesinger.org> wrote:
> >
> >http://reservoirstock.free.fr/deep%20sunshine%201.wmv
> >
> >I warned you...
>"DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>If you really want to squirm.......check this out.
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=american+id ol+worst&btnG=Search
Ok, OK! Now we put the singer from Idol with the Deep Sunshine
band, and ummm
waddya get?
Culture Club!
heh heh heh
DCRichard
As the others said, you don't want to use Paris for midi. I used to use
Vision and Paris together seamlessly until I decided to upgrade my OS 9 to
a later version and couldn't use Vision anymore. I went to Performer, which
also still works seamlessly with Paris now, and THE most similar program
to what Vision was like. I am on a G4 450 machine and have no problems.
If you want to see what is involved using midi with Paris go here
http://www.parisfaqs.com/
and scroll down to General Paris Settings and look for my write up on midi.
Click on those words and you will read a tutorial on what is involved in
setting it up and using it. Very complicated and not good. No looping,
quantizing, etc.
Good Luck
Lou Guarino
"Richard Faylor" <RichardFaylor@aol.com> wrote:
>
>I’ve always recorded song ideas in MIDI using Opcode Vision to save space
>on the hard drive. Now, I’m thinking maybe I could do the same in Paris
and
>let Vision go, but before I make all the settings and the commitment to
learn
>how Paris handles MIDI, can anyone tell me:
>1) By using Paris for MIDI, will I end up with the same size files that
I
>would in Vision (vis a vis hard drive space), or would the Paris/MIDI files
>be bigger?
>2) Does Paris’ MIDI function anything like Vision in regard to looping,
quantizing,
>editing, etc.
>
>One other question: I’m still using a Beige G3 with Paris, but it’s nearing
>the end of its service life. What was the last, and fastest, Apple tower
>and OS that worked with Paris 3.0 before Apple moved to USB/Firewire and
>OSX (which I assume are incompatible with my Paris MEC and Paris 3.0)?
>
>Thanks.
>Richard Faylor
>Awwwwww..........DUDE!!!!!!!!! I was drinkin a coke when I read that. Time
to clen sticky syrup off querty.
;oD
"DC" <dc@spamboygeorge.com> wrote in message news:432cc28c$1@linux...
>
> "DJ" <animix_spam-this-ahole_@animas.net> wrote:
>
> >If you really want to squirm.......check this out.
> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=american+id ol+worst&btnG=Search
>
>
> Ok, OK! Now we put the singer from Idol with the Deep Sunshine
> band, and ummm
>
> waddya get?
>
> Culture Club!
>
> heh heh heh
>
> DC
>I'm extatic!! Thrilled! Over the frippin' moon!!
This morning I hooked up, for the first time, my planned live setup. A lot
of mental energy has gone into this. A lot of planning. A lot of theories.
A lot of documenting and changing my mind.
Basically the idea is that I'll have 3 keyboards, plus a Theramin and a guitar,
along with three different effects loops, one of which is the Digitech GNX4
which also acts as a looping pedal. The GNX therefore allows me to record
parts and build a song using all the other bits. I have a Behringer FBC1010
which controls all the routing of sounds done by two Akai MB-76's. Any keyboard
or combination thereof can be routed through any effects unit or combination
thereof. Any patch can be acheived.
I have approached this setup in a way most unlike me. I have planned it carefully
in as much detail as I realistically can. Traditionally I've been a "Let's
just do it and see what happens" kinda guy, but it seems lately I'm changing
my approach and planning things, and it's working for me.
After spending several hours over the last couple of days programming both
the AKAI MB-76 programmable patch bays, as well as the Behringer this morning,
I then went and took everything out the back and plugged it in to some of
the gear. So far just two of the keyboards and two of the effects loops (one
of which is the GNX/looper).
What I loved was that I plugged the stuff in and it just worked. I'd planned
it all so well that there was no mucking around. I plugged it in, punched
in a program which would send a keyboard here or there, and it just went
where it was told. I was thrilled. Well, not just thrilled...
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